INCREDIBLE Amy Bradley Update!!!

[Necco]

I don't know why they always theorize someone accidentally FELL overboard. It's darn near impossible unless you've opted to stand on something. I'm shorter than Amy, but my experience has been that the railings are wicked high. I don't think I could accidentally fall overboard on a cruise ship if I ran full speed into the railing.

[88keys]

Originally Posted by Necco

I don't know why they always theorize someone accidentally FELL overboard. It's darn near impossible unless you've opted to stand on something. I'm shorter than Amy, but my experience has been that the railings are wicked high. I don't think I could accidentally fall overboard on a cruise ship if I ran full speed into the railing.

But there ARE people who have managed to fall overboard. I'm not saying that is what happened to Amy, but it has happened before. That's why it has to be considered as a possibility in these kinds of cases.

[Necco]

Originally Posted by 88keys

But there ARE people who have managed to fall overboard. I'm not saying that is what happened to Amy, but it has happened before. That's why it has to be considered as a possibility in these kinds of cases.

Actually, very few cruise deaths are the results of accidental falls overboard.

And most of those involve someone being drunk and careless.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com

[TheCars1986]

I'm still having a hard time believing Amy was taken off the ship and sold into slavery. All of these witnesses who claim to have seen her, have seen her out in public, with the exception of the guy who saw her at the brothel. The brothel sighting is somewhat unbelievable IMO, because the guy claims the woman came up to him (not around anyone else) and begged him for help. He says he told her there was a quick escape route and that it would take 5 minutes for her to reach where he was staying, but the woman quickly refused and just kept saying she was Amy Bradley and needed help. That just makes no sense. In this brothel setting, she wasn't around any captors, it was just her and this guy. She could have easily made an attempt to escape. The other sightings (in the mall bathroom and the beach) she was out in public. Sure she was probably fearful of her captors, but she could have made an attempt to escape or seek help, but didn't. And I didn't even know about this until I just read it from another forum, but when the Bradley's tried suing the cruise line company, the courts threw it out and stated, "Both lawsuits were dismissed in October 2000 when the trial judge found the plaintiffs had "perpetrated a fraud on the court" by giving false answers to the defense in depositions. Specifically, the court concluded the Bradleys had intentionally concealed the existence of over 100 witnesses who reported seeing Amy living freely and under no duress at various times after her disappearance." First time I ever heard anything like that.

I still tend to think Amy unfortunately died sometime before the cruise ship docked. Whether or not she was murdered is the real mystery, IMO.

ETA: Someone already brought up the dismissal of the lawsuit earlier in this thread. And, IMO, I think the Bradley's may be retroactively linking things that happened on the cruise ship (that probably seemed innocuous at the time), and remembering it in a far more sinister light. For example, one of the waiters wanted to take her to a nightclub when they docked, but Amy said she didn't want to go because she thought the guy was "weird". At the time it was probably nothing, but since her disappearance, and the rampant claims about sex slavery, the new thought is now that the waiter must have wanted her to go to the nightclub so he could abduct her easier there. The same goes for "Yellow", who told Amy's brother Brad how sorry he was that she went missing. Amy's family thinks this is a suspicious remark, considering Amy was just reported missing, and they don't see how he could have known that. But according to "Yellow", crew members knocked on his door shortly after 6 a.m. to see if he had seen her, and they even searched his room. This is probably how he found out about her disappearance so early.

[MegtheEgg86]

I just don't think the woman in that photo is her. The nose structures are completely different, if you study multiple photos of Amy and then compare them to the photo of the woman some believe to be her.

[TheCars1986]

This whole sex slave ring that only seeks pretty American women seems somewhat racist, and almost reminds me of the satanic panic from the 80's. It literally makes no sense as to why only American women are targeted...wouldn't these captors want women from more impoverished countries so they could manipulate with money to control them? And wouldn't an American woman be somewhat ineffective in a foreign country to a potential "john" if she doesn't even speak the language? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[WishfulDreamer]

I still think the band member is incredibly shady. He was seen by multiple witnesses walking with her before she vanished. He knew that Amy was missing long before anyone else did. I don't recall if he approached the brother before or after the ship paged her, but a ship paging someone is just a simple call for that person to report, not an alert that they're missing and the worst should be expected. Therefore, it is extremely suspicious that the guy said, ''Hey, sorry to hear about your sister'' when he did.

This and reports of him dancing too close to her and her needing to tell him to back off make me wonder if he made advances, they fought, and somehow she got flung over the side, either in the struggle or on purpose.

She was seen walking with him and if I recall correctly, none of these witnesses said that she looked extremely intoxicated, and certainly not to the point that she would go wandering up to the railing and fall over in a stupor. Not to mention, Amy was terrified of going near the railing. I've been intoxicated before and even a bunch of alcohol getting rid of inhibitions doesn't make me go wandering over to the things I fear, so even if she was drinking, I doubt she accidentally fell overboard or was horsing around near the railing due to liquor.

[88keys]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

This whole sex slave ring that only seeks pretty American women seems somewhat racist, and almost reminds me of the satanic panic from the 80's. It literally makes no sense as to why only American women are targeted...wouldn't these captors want women from more impoverished countries so they could manipulate with money to control them? And wouldn't an American woman be somewhat ineffective in a foreign country to a potential "john" if she doesn't even speak the language? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Not to mention that prostitution is legal in that part of the world. There is really no need to kidnap women and force them into it. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but an American woman traveling with her family who would quickly realize she was gone and probably call the authorities would not be the best target.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

I still think the band member is incredibly shady. He was seen by multiple witnesses walking with her before she vanished. He knew that Amy was missing long before anyone else did. I don't recall if he approached the brother before or after the ship paged her, but a ship paging someone is just a simple call for that person to report, not an alert that they're missing and the worst should be expected. Therefore, it is extremely suspicious that the guy said, ''Hey, sorry to hear about your sister'' when he did.

This and reports of him dancing too close to her and her needing to tell him to back off make me wonder if he made advances, they fought, and somehow she got flung over the side, either in the struggle or on purpose.

"Yellow" does seem pretty suspicious. But according to him, crew members knocked on his door shortly after 6 a.m. and asked if he knew where Amy was, and he told them he didn't, and they even searched his room for her. So this could be how he knew about her disappearance before it was known throughout the ship. I would definitely think it's more likely that she was thrown overboard as opposed to taken off the ship and sold into a slavery ring.

[Necco]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

This whole sex slave ring that only seeks pretty American women seems somewhat racist, and almost reminds me of the satanic panic from the 80's. It literally makes no sense as to why only American women are targeted...wouldn't these captors want women from more impoverished countries so they could manipulate with money to control them? And wouldn't an American woman be somewhat ineffective in a foreign country to a potential "john" if she doesn't even speak the language? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Um. How do I put this delicately? People rarely hire prostitutes for their conversational skills. If she's in a brothel, she wouldn't need to say a word, the madam would handle all of that.

That being said, I don't think she is alive. And I think the band guy is responsible for whatever happened.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Necco

Um. How do I put this delicately? People rarely hire prostitutes for their conversational skills. If she's in a brothel, she wouldn't need to say a word, the madam would handle all of that.

I understand that. But some "johns" would be likely to try to start up a conversation at some point with the girl, which would become awkward if the girl didn't speak the language. And you wouldn't necessarily get into a discussion about what "services" you would want out of a girl with the madam, that would be done with the girl herself.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I understand that. But some "johns" would be likely to try to start up a conversation at some point with the girl, which would become awkward if the girl didn't speak the language. And you wouldn't necessarily get into a discussion about what "services" you would want out of a girl with the madam, that would be done with the girl herself.

The only reason I know this is because I've seen that Cathouse: The Series show on HBO before, which features the daily operations of a brothel.

Customers do call ahead and ask about the particulars of the prostitutes and what services they are willing to perform with the madam, which fits with what Necco previously mentioned. Now, this show features a legal brothel in Nevada, where almost everyone speaks English and the prostitutes voluntarily choose their occupations. I cannot imagine how illicit, unregulated establishments (which often enslave and violate the human rights of trafficking victims that may not speak the home country's language) probably operate.

Additionally, a good number of the men patronizing illicit establishments are NOT looking for conversation. I would be willing to wager a percentage of them probably fit the profile of a rapist.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

The only reason I know this is because I've seen that Cathouse: The Series show on HBO before, which features the daily operations of a brothel.

Customers do call ahead and ask about the particulars of the prostitutes and what services they are willing to perform with the madam, which fits with what Necco previously mentioned. Now, this show features a legal brothel in Nevada, where almost everyone speaks English and the prostitutes voluntarily choose their occupations. I cannot imagine how illicit, unregulated establishments (which often enslave and violate the human rights of trafficking victims that may not speak the home country's language) probably operate.

Additionally, a good number of the men patronizing illicit establishments are NOT looking for conversation. I would be willing to wager a percentage of them probably fit the profile of a rapist.

If I'm remembering correctly, the escort site that featured the profile of the woman "Jas" was a legal establishment within the country. But anyway, I don't think all of these guys are just waiting to sit down with these girls and talk about T.S. Eliot, but I think some of them would have tried to make small talk. And if there were customers who went there for the explicit purpose of seeing an American girl, this would increase the odds that at some point some of the men would have either known English, or were Americans themselves. Thereby increasing the chances of Amy possibly being discovered and rescued. Maybe I'm over analyzing it, I don't know. It's just strange to me that these people would be that stupid to advertise a missing American woman who they worked so hard to conceal all of these years. And I think I've read on here that the anonymous guy who e-mailed the Bradley's the picture of "Jas" is someone who actually browses these foreign escort sites trying to find women that look like missing women from the States. It wouldn't be that hard if you think about it, to come up with several possible matches to missing women.

ETA: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...ence_dr_ph.php

There is a link to a website that the anonymous guy sent the Bradley's on this website. It actually includes the e-mail sent to the Bradley's verbatim. It seems like this company is legit, and that they cater to tourists looking for "sultry Caribbean beauties".

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

If I'm remembering correctly, the escort site that featured the profile of the woman "Jas" was a legal establishment within the country. But anyway, I don't think all of these guys are just waiting to sit down with these girls and talk about T.S. Eliot, but I think some of them would have tried to make small talk. And if there were customers who went there for the explicit purpose of seeing an American girl, this would increase the odds that at some point some of the men would have either known English, or were Americans themselves. Thereby increasing the chances of Amy possibly being discovered and rescued. Maybe I'm over analyzing it, I don't know. It's just strange to me that these people would be that stupid to advertise a missing American woman who they worked so hard to conceal all of these years. And I think I've read on here that the anonymous guy who e-mailed the Bradley's the picture of "Jas" is someone who actually browses these foreign escort sites trying to find women that look like missing women from the States. It wouldn't be that hard if you think about it, to come up with several possible matches to missing women.

ETA: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...ence_dr_ph.php

There is a link to a website that the anonymous guy sent the Bradley's on this website. It actually includes the e-mail sent to the Bradley's verbatim. It seems like this company is legit, and that they cater to tourists looking for "sultry Caribbean beauties".

Totally agree with you that it wouldn't make much sense to publicly advertise a known missing woman who many presume to be a kidnapping victim. I think this man, however good his intentions may be, is mistaken.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Totally agree with you that it wouldn't make much sense to publicly advertise a known missing woman who many presume to be a kidnapping victim. I think this man, however good his intentions may be, is mistaken.

Meg, are you of the opinion that Amy never left the boat alive (be it by an accident or homicide)? Because that definitely seems the most likely thing to me. I've read varying accounts about how on the one hand Amy's brother said they were drinking heavily that night to where they didn't have that much. Obviously, if Amy was intoxicated, an accident would seem fairly likely. But then again you have this suspicious "Yellow" guy to account for. I think it's equally possible that Amy was murdered on the boat and thrown overboard.

Also, found is picture:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...PosibleAmy.jpg

Posted in another forum, taken from the nightclub Carlos n Charlie's (where the waiter wanted to take Amy). This woman looks an awful lot like "Jas", IMO. Now I know it's very odd that it was taken the same place the waiter wanted to take Amy, but then again, I think it's entirely possible that "Jas" is simply a local woman who frequents the nightclub. She doesn't appear to be under any duress in that photo.

ETA: Here is the full photo, taken by some vacationers partying at Carlos n Charlie's:

http://i6.tinypic.com/1z5n0cw.jpg

I think this woman looks near identical to "Jas".