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Specifically, shows like The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet, Leave It to Beaver, The Donna Reed Show, and Father Knows Best. These sitcoms with all due respect, arguably projected a norm to viewers of WASP-ish, white bred, upper middle class suburbanite family lives. And it seemed or felt like everyone was really stiff and formal (for example, the kids on Leave It to Beaver called their father ‘sir’) instead of coming across as something inherently natural.
So when The Dick Van Dyke Show rolled around in 1961, it on the surface, may have looked like it could have been as synthetic and conventionally bland as those other shows. But it had a more modern, contemporary, and sophisticated sensibility. And its humor made it seem like a product of the post John F. Kennedy 1960s rather than an attempt to keep the ‘50s alive. |
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I totally agree; the "DVD Show" definitely went with the new flavor of the 60's in the way people talked and dressed and attitudes. The 50's shows, including my obsession with "Danny Thomas Show" always portrayed very proper middle/upper-class families as what the ideal should look like. The problem for me was that I never understood why my family was never like that with screaming, cursing, doors slamming, etc. yet I felt it should be like those perfect TV families.
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Sorry, but I don't buy any of this. 1950s sitcoms were not "conventionally bland," not if you really watch them. And Leave It to Beaver, Donna Reed, etc., all continued in the '60s. The real contrast is not between '50s and '60s but between shows set in a small town or suburb and ones with a more urban feel, like Dick Van Dyke, Danny Thomas, etc. I'm so tired of this '50s/'60s dichotomy.
I don't see TDVDS as particularly progressive. If anything, it seems like the last gasp of vaudeville. That's not to say it wasn't a good show, but I think the claims being made are a little excessive. And Danny Thomas was doing urbane comedy that "commented on entertainment itself" (along with screaming, slamming doors, etc.) in the '50s. |
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With the exception of The Dick Van Dyke Show, was television writing on American sitcoms otherwise, mostly stuck in the 1950s during the '60s? Many of the writers of sitcoms from what I gathered, had started in radio (like Lucille Ball's, namely Madelyn Pugh Davis and Bob Carroll Jr.) and some went as far back as the '30s.
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I believe that "stuck in the '50s during the '60s" is a false concept. I don't believe in assigning personal characteristics to decades. Decades are just periods of 10 years, during which many things happen. Many of the traditional family shows (Beaver, Donna Reed) continued into the '60s. The showbiz elements that we find in TDVDS were also present in '50s shows like Danny Thomas and Lucy. You are right that there is continuity across the decades with many sitcom writers having started in radio.
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Dual focus: It split its time between the protagonist's work life in Manhattan and his home life in New Rochelle. Older sitcoms typically focused almost exclusively on the home.
One could argue that I Love Lucy did concentrate some time to Ricky's career. The work concentration on DVD was due to the fact that it WAS the Dick Van Dyke Show, after all. I'd say the home life was secondary. Realistic marriage: The show portrayed Rob and Laura Petrie as a more authentic and affectionate married couple. They frequently talked through their problems and treated each other as equals, a contrast to the more one-dimensional portrayals of spousal relationships in earlier shows. I'd argue that most of the home life comedy was typical sitcom fare. Modern wife: Mary Tyler Moore's character, Laura, was a witty and independent housewife who regularly wore pants. This was a progressive fashion choice for a TV homemaker of that era. Laura was a housewife. She wore pants around the house. So did Margaret Anderson and Donna Stone. Relatable humor: The humor was derived more from relatable, real-life situations rather than slapstick stunts or the predictable predicaments of children. Creator Carl Reiner's writing method often involved asking writers what happened in their real lives, which lent the series an authentic feel. No, DVD didn't have any slapstick. The inflatable raft wasn't slapstick? And asking writers to use events from real life? Knock June Cleaver's pearls, but Connelly and Mosher were known to use the same methods, as did other shows. Character-driven plots: The comedy came from the characters' personalities and interactions, a contrast to the more formulaic plot-driven stories of older comedies. Yes, like getting your toe stuck in a faucet or drawing a liberty bell on freckles. It's a great sitcom, but so were some of the earlier ones. Father Knows Best is one that takes a great share of knocks. And I'd bet many of those knocks are from people have never seen it, or have seen very few episodes. |
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Great points, stevea. It's easy to exaggerate the contrast between '50s and '60s sitcoms, or between DVDS and earlier sitcoms.
About the dual focus (home vs. work), I find it interesting how Dr. Stone on "Donna Reed" is a pediatrician who works out of his home. That was a genuinely creative concept for a sitcom father, esp. since so many of them had nondescript office jobs. |
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