That Unidentified Murdered couple from Sumter County 1976 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

johnnyangel · 09-02-2009, 01:22 PM

I always found this interesting. I heard they were re-exumed in 2007 to get some more evidence and DNA.

Unsolved Mysteries said since they looked alike, they could have been brother and sister.

Wouldn't DNA matching easilly have determined if they were brother and sister (or related)? As far as I know, this hasn't even been done?

Also, the man may have been Jock or Jacques, from Canada. One of the pieces of jewelry found on him had some initials that started with 'J" Was this ever investigated further with Canada?

I see there are now also Myspace pages made to help find out who these people were.

Any info or opinions would be great!

johnnyangel · 09-06-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyangel

I always found this interesting. I heard they were re-exumed in 2007 to get some more evidence and DNA.

Unsolved Mysteries said since they looked alike, they could have been brother and sister.

Wouldn't DNA matching easilly have determined if they were brother and sister (or related)? As far as I know, this hasn't even been done?

Also, the man may have been Jock or Jacques, from Canada. One of the pieces of jewelry found on him had some initials that started with 'J" Was this ever investigated further with Canada?

I see there are now also Myspace pages made to help find out who these people were.

Any info or opinions would be great!

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crystaldawn · 09-06-2009, 06:04 PM

There are a lot of unanswered questions as to the investigation of this mysterious couple. I believe I read somewhere that the man told someone his name was Jacques and his father was a doctor in Canada. That is some very specific information to look into. I also doubt they were siblings. Of course this could be conclusively determined by a dna test but it just seems more plausible that they were a couple traveling across the UM than that they were brother and sister. I think they were both runaways and they may not even be listed as missing. That would explain why they've never been identified.

mozartpc27 · 09-08-2009, 11:46 AM

It would be interesting to know if they were brother and sister or not. I never thought about it before, but you're right, that story seems unlikely. If they were, they would have been identified probably.

I forget the details exactly, but weren't their clues (specifically, expensive dental work on one or both of them) that suggested these people were from a fairly well-to-do background?

Phanekim · 09-09-2009, 03:15 AM

there's no more information on this one?

EDIT: here is what i found guys...

http://www.theitem.com/article/20090...29980/0/ITNEWS

looks like they have a lead.

i'm pretty sure the guy who the gun they found with it...he knows who did it.

Phanekim · 09-10-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

There are a lot of unanswered questions as to the investigation of this mysterious couple. I believe I read somewhere that the man told someone his name was Jacques and his father was a doctor in Canada. That is some very specific information to look into. I also doubt they were siblings. Of course this could be conclusively determined by a dna test but it just seems more plausible that they were a couple traveling across the UM than that they were brother and sister. I think they were both runaways and they may not even be listed as missing. That would explain why they've never been identified.

there is a high liklihood they were runaways. from what i read everything you say is true. I'm going to add other stuff about what i've been able to find out.

first off, the murders were execution style murders. the coroner working this case seems adamant about it. Also, they found the gun used in murder. ballistics prove this. THey found tire tracks at scene. The police seem fairly sure they know who did it and why they did it. It also seems llike they were fairly close to a complete case. The only thing missing is the ID of these individuals to establish motive.

Most likely it seems like they ripped them off. It feels like this couple might have been running cons. thats my gut instinct. its not strong theory but its a start. firstly, the female is strikingly beautiful. I am fairly sure they were running cons with her being the bait. They were living in campsite at time of murder. They seemed to have had pedicures and manicures before time of death. They seemed to have jewelry on them. for vagabonds they sure were well to do.

this seems to explain a lot. this seems to explain why the canadian lead has never worked. the link i provided above, seems to indicate that it could be this canadian couple, the yakimchuks. I am fairly sure it isn't. but what happened to them is a different story.

if they were conning people, i suspect the jacque story is invalid. it also explains why no one is looking for at least, this guy. this guy to me could have been a criminal doing petty cons/crimes and incorporated her. i think she's the runaway.

the only way to solve this, and i believe this is the next frontier in the dna database is finding close matches. Dna evidence is primarily focused on "high variable regions". Without revealing much, i've dabbled in this. I"ve conducted the protocols myself with pcr and all that good stuff. Anyways, these regions in your dna vary greatly from people to people whereas most dna is very similar. these regions are used to determine matches. if we run a dna database and find a reasonably close match, we then have a lead. I do not know if the current dna database does this, however, it should. It would solve a lot of these jane does.

anyways i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. this case intrigues me as well.

nohwheregirl · 09-10-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanekim

there's no more information on this one?

EDIT: here is what i found guys...

http://www.theitem.com/article/20090...29980/0/ITNEWS

looks like they have a lead.

i'm pretty sure the guy who the gun they found with it...he knows who did it.

Thanks for posting this. I don't think they are a match either. Here are their Doe Network Profiles with a few different recreations, some are more "morgue photo-y" than others:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/189ufsc.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198umsc.html

I also don't think they are brother and sister. To me they look nothing alike. I wonder if they haven't been identified partly because their families didn't know the other person, and the case is overlooked because it's an unidentified couple.

Phanekim · 09-10-2009, 10:52 PM

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...ystery_couple/

this should give more background.

porchlight · 09-19-2009, 06:32 PM

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobe...showtopic=6616
a whole bunch of articles here

Phanekim · 09-20-2009, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by porchlight

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobe...showtopic=6616
a whole bunch of articles here

SOme of these pictures are very macabre. just a warning for everyone out there. if you do not enjoy looking at pictures of the deceased.

slasherman · 09-22-2009, 11:46 AM

They look very East European to me. Maybe they where spy's from one of those cold war countries. Something went wrong and they where eliminated. Maybe far fetch but that the best I could do. If they where spy's and taken out by they're own or by the Americans it could explain the lack of identification and for not being missing...
It also could be a a runaway couple from a cold war East European country who was unlucky and met with foul play and robbed. But it is strange that the killer or killers didn't take they're rings and jewelry.

Mastermind · 09-22-2009, 01:36 PM

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They look very East European to me. Maybe they where spy's from one of those cold war countries

How do you classify them as being Eastern European?

Please specify.

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If they where spy's and taken out by there own or by the Americans it could explain the lack of identification and for not being missing...

Or they could be hits for organized crime or terrorism. They may be kidnap victims. Badder-Meinhoff, Red Brigades and Povisional IRA occasional committed gang style executions like this one.

Has DNA ruled them out as being brother and sister?

slasherman · 09-22-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

How do you classify them as being Eastern European?

How do you classify "cold war country"

Please specify.

Cold war countries: Soviet-union, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania and countries like that
Eastern Europeans: people from countries like Poland, Romania and so on..

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

Has DNA ruled them out as being brother and sister?

I'm not sure but that something forensics easily can find out. I have only read "they look like brother and sister" cause their facial structures was alike.

TracyLynnS · 09-23-2009, 09:36 PM

Sorry to be a lazy bum here, but I don't have time to read all the links.

Does anyone know why it's assumed that these two were traveling together from the moment they started out on the journey that ended in their murders?

From scanning some of the info in the links above, it seems that the man was known to travel through several states. Perhaps the girl was just a runaway he picked up somewhere and they are not connected in anyway other than acquaintances.

Phanekim · 09-24-2009, 01:52 AM

one thing is this. the likely killer has died. whats the point of witholding what you got? i remember reading the sc authorities have actually lost evidence in this case. wow.

from the readings you pretty much find out LE found the gun and most likely suspects but they didn't have enough for a prosecution. Transient cases are hard.

BUt all my opinions are above. THis case is one of the ones that bugs. this woman, even in death is strikingly beautiful. many things do not seem to fit and make this an odd case.

09-02-2009, 01:22 PM	#1
johnnyangel Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 08, 2002 Posts: 320	That Unidentified Murdered couple from Sumter County 1976 I always found this interesting. I heard they were re-exumed in 2007 to get some more evidence and DNA. Unsolved Mysteries said since they looked alike, they could have been brother and sister. Wouldn't DNA matching easilly have determined if they were brother and sister (or related)? As far as I know, this hasn't even been done? Also, the man may have been Jock or Jacques, from Canada. One of the pieces of jewelry found on him had some initials that started with 'J" Was this ever investigated further with Canada? I see there are now also Myspace pages made to help find out who these people were. Any info or opinions would be great!

09-08-2009, 11:46 AM	#4
mozartpc27 Vigilante Logician Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 882	It would be interesting to know if they were brother and sister or not. I never thought about it before, but you're right, that story seems unlikely. If they were, they would have been identified probably. I forget the details exactly, but weren't their clues (specifically, expensive dental work on one or both of them) that suggested these people were from a fairly well-to-do background?
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09-09-2009, 03:15 AM	#5
Phanekim Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 14, 2009 Posts: 106	there's no more information on this one? EDIT: here is what i found guys... http://www.theitem.com/article/20090...29980/0/ITNEWS looks like they have a lead. i'm pretty sure the guy who the gun they found with it...he knows who did it.
	Last edited by Phanekim; 09-09-2009 at 05:28 AM.

09-22-2009, 11:46 AM	#11
slasherman Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 20, 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 104	They look very East European to me. Maybe they where spy's from one of those cold war countries. Something went wrong and they where eliminated. Maybe far fetch but that the best I could do. If they where spy's and taken out by they're own or by the Americans it could explain the lack of identification and for not being missing... It also could be a a runaway couple from a cold war East European country who was unlucky and met with foul play and robbed. But it is strange that the killer or killers didn't take they're rings and jewelry.
	Last edited by slasherman; 09-22-2009 at 01:58 PM.

09-06-2009, 06:04 PM	#3
crystaldawn Member Forum 4K Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,154	There are a lot of unanswered questions as to the investigation of this mysterious couple. I believe I read somewhere that the man told someone his name was Jacques and his father was a doctor in Canada. That is some very specific information to look into. I also doubt they were siblings. Of course this could be conclusively determined by a dna test but it just seems more plausible that they were a couple traveling across the UM than that they were brother and sister. I think they were both runaways and they may not even be listed as missing. That would explain why they've never been identified.

09-10-2009, 10:52 PM	#8
Phanekim Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 14, 2009 Posts: 106	http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...ystery_couple/ this should give more background.

09-19-2009, 06:32 PM	#9
porchlight Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 03, 2007 Location: south carolina Posts: 107	http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobe...showtopic=6616 a whole bunch of articles here

09-23-2009, 09:36 PM	#14
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3K Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,092	Sorry to be a lazy bum here, but I don't have time to read all the links. Does anyone know why it's assumed that these two were traveling together from the moment they started out on the journey that ended in their murders? From scanning some of the info in the links above, it seems that the man was known to travel through several states. Perhaps the girl was just a runaway he picked up somewhere and they are not connected in anyway other than acquaintances.

09-24-2009, 01:52 AM	#15
Phanekim Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 14, 2009 Posts: 106	one thing is this. the likely killer has died. whats the point of witholding what you got? i remember reading the sc authorities have actually lost evidence in this case. wow. from the readings you pretty much find out LE found the gun and most likely suspects but they didn't have enough for a prosecution. Transient cases are hard. BUt all my opinions are above. THis case is one of the ones that bugs. this woman, even in death is strikingly beautiful. many things do not seem to fit and make this an odd case.