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Old 01-14-2011, 06:30 PM   #181
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Huh? Who sent what to whom? Look, if they must have tried to make a reasonable effort to contact the guy and he either didn't respond to them or he did and allowed himself to be used in the segment. After you have cleared by the police, that fact has to be introduced in the segment or the segment can't be aired for fear of a lawsuit.
Well it was just cleared that they did update the segment.
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:20 AM   #182
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Huh? Who sent what to whom? Look, if they must have tried to make a reasonable effort to contact the guy and he either didn't respond to them or he did and allowed himself to be used in the segment. After you have cleared by the police, that fact has to be introduced in the segment or the segment can't be aired for fear of a lawsuit.
I'm fairly certain the only way one could sue, in that instance, is if one is mentioned by name, because then it turns into libel. Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:12 AM   #183
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I'm fairly certain the only way one could sue, in that instance, is if one is mentioned by name, because then it turns into libel. Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.
Really? Are you an attorney?
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:33 AM   #184
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Really? Are you an attorney?
I don't think bell83 is an attorney, but he/she is right. The segment specifically states he may have nothing to do with the case and the police just want to talk to him. So "Megadeth" views the segment (20 years later mind you) and decides to sue UM for some unknown reason. What exactly would he sue for? And how would his case hold water in court? "They hurt my image by portraying me as a Megadeth loving, role-playing cashier. That hurt my feelings!"
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I wonder what the Megadeth guy would think 20 years ago he was on Unsolved Mysteries....
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Really? Are you an attorney?
Are you an attorney? You know, every single place you post, you have to be a dink, even when people agree with the basic idea you are trying to put forward. Can you please explain to me what your problem is?

If you are an attorney (which I'd be willing to bet a month's pay that you aren't), juries must love the way you condescend to them, letting them know that unless they rule in your favor, never doubt you, and never question you, you're so much smarter and better than they are. You must never lose a case!
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I wonder what the Megadeth guy would think 20 years ago he was on Unsolved Mysteries....
Depends on whether or not he was connected to Deborah's dissapearance.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:18 PM   #188
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I wonder what the Megadeth guy would think 20 years ago he was on Unsolved Mysteries....
If connected to the case: because they never caught him despite the detailed appearance.
If not connected: in fear that people may think he was involved
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Are you an attorney? You know, every single place you post, you have to be a dink, even when people agree with the basic idea you are trying to put forward. Can you please explain to me what your problem is?

If you are an attorney (which I'd be willing to bet a month's pay that you aren't), juries must love the way you condescend to them, letting them know that unless they rule in your favor, never doubt you, and never question you, you're so much smarter and better than they are. You must never lose a case!
I'd be willing to bet a year's salary.
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I've always been somewhat torn on this case. I think either of the following scenarios is plausible:

1.) Mr. Megadeth was the first customer to enter the store following Ms. Poe's abduction. Upon finding it empty, he went into "kid-in-a-candy-store" mode and decided to see if he could scrounge up anything of value from behind the counter. When Cigarette Girl arrived, he waited on her to avoid the appearance of impropriety, and then--perhaps unnerved by her--left. Obviously he didn't rob the cash register, and he didn't trash the place, but do we really know that he didn't take anything? Unless the store kept meticulous records of its stock and sales, he could have taken some cigarettes, alcohol, or other merchandise whose absence later went unnoticed.

2.) Mr. Megadeth was an accomplice who waited on Cigarette Girl after she interrupted the abduction-in-progress.

If I had to pick one scenario as more likely though, I'd go with the first. Had Cigarette Girl truly interrupted the abduction, wouldn't she have seen or heard something? Also, couldn't the abductors just as easily have kidnapped her as well? It seems odd that they would allow a potential identifying witness to escape not only unharmed, but also unthreatened.

If anything, UM probably played up the Mr. Megadeth angle simply because it made for a dramatic twist: the idea of a customer coming "face-to-face" with the abductor.
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I know these are real people, and I don't want to trash them, but did anyone else kind of think that, at least in the re-enactment, Cigarette Girl was kind of sleazy? I could easily see how a 3AM customer might hop behind the counter just to have a chance to interact with her. I think that maybe the idea of him being suspicious came about simply because he was a big guy who liked metal (remember, in the 80's, these were the rebels). I mean, if he were wearing an Air Supply T-shirt, would this thread even exist?
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I mean, if he were wearing an Air Supply T-shirt, would this thread even exist?

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Are you an attorney? You know, every single place you post, you have to be a dink, even when people agree with the basic idea you are trying to put forward. Can you please explain to me what your problem is?

If you are an attorney (which I'd be willing to bet a month's pay that you aren't), juries must love the way you condescend to them, letting them know that unless they rule in your favor, never doubt you, and never question you, you're so much smarter and better than they are. You must never lose a case!
Are you incapable of debate w/o name calling? If you aren't then why not try writing on here when you have grown up a little more?

And,no, I'm not an attorney. I do know quite a bit about entertainment law from studying it and some business affairs that I have been involved in over the years. There are strict rules and regulations concerning what can (and cannot) be aired on television. I didn't create them; I simply know that they exist and what happens (or can happen) when the are subverted or broken.

If the man portrayed as "Megadeth" on the show got a lawyer and pushed things, the producers of UM would almost certainly drop the segment from airing. Why? Because even people on this forum have stated that they believe that he was involved in one or more crimes. While his name is never spoken, it would be very clear to anybody that knows this man who he is.

This could cause his loss of employment, potential harassment, and possible arrest by an overzealous LE officer. I'm actually surprised that they haven't either stopped airing the segment (since his inclusion is presented in the main portion as the only real "lead") or that UM hasn't put a disclaimer on before airing the segment carefully detailing that "Megadeth" had no involvement in the crime portrayed.

You stated (as a fact) that UM could air this program unedited and not face potential issues. Since the only person that could honestly answer that would be an entertainment attorney, I asked if you were. You answered no, so I guess what you stated was an opinion.

If my pointing out logical errors and flaws in critical thinking are seen as being "condescending" that is not my intent. However, we are all adults on here. If you present opinion as fact, it really shouldn't upset you when you are "called on it." You are, after all, an adult and criticism of your ideas is part of being an adult.
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I know these are real people, and I don't want to trash them, but did anyone else kind of think that, at least in the re-enactment, Cigarette Girl was kind of sleazy? I could easily see how a 3AM customer might hop behind the counter just to have a chance to interact with her. I think that maybe the idea of him being suspicious came about simply because he was a big guy who liked metal (remember, in the 80's, these were the rebels). I mean, if he were wearing an Air Supply T-shirt, would this thread even exist?
If he was wearing an Air Supply tee, this thread would be 10 times longer. Rock on!

Also, you have to remember that big hair and mini-skirts were everywhere back then. Especially in places like Florida, where the humidity is so bad, you just have to go with it.
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