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Old 06-19-2021, 01:39 AM   #1
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Default The Norman Lear Book has ended the Spinoff Debate

I purchased a great book called "The Sitcoms on Norman Lear" and now in the Good Times Chapter and on page 99 it was stated that Lear did not believe Good Times was a true spinoff. His statement was....."I got the idea for this show two and a half years ago before there was a Maude from Mike Evans" Lear Told reporters in 1974. Lear also stated that "we never seen a black family on TV before and it sounded like a good idea. Its taken two years to develop it and went through 30 drafts of the story for the first episode. The idea for Good Times undergone many script changes before Florida ever arrived in Tuckahoe. As the show evolved and continued season after season, Lear was appalled by anyone who called Good Times a spinoff. By the third season he went around Hollywood telling people that he would throw up if he heard it called that one more time.

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I purchased a great book called "The Sitcoms on Norman Lear" and now in the Good Times Chapter and on page 99 it was stated that Lear did not believe Good Times was a true spinoff. His statement was....."I got the idea for this show two and a half years ago before there was a Maude from Mike Evans" Lear Told reporters in 1974. Lear also stated that "we never seen a black family on TV before and it sounded like a good idea. Its taken two years to develop it and went through 30 drafts of the story for the first episode. The idea for Good Times undergone many script changes before Florida ever arrived in Tuckahoe. As the show evolved and continued season after season, Lear was appalled by anyone who called Good Times a spinoff. By the third season he went around Hollywood telling people that he would throw up if he heard it called that one more time.

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Itís a spinoff.

The end.

If it wasnít at least an inconsistent spinoff, then explain Florida and Henry, played by Esther Rolle and John Amos.

And also, if he said that, then why did he say otherwise in the interview?
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Itís a spinoff.

The end.

If it wasnít at least an inconsistent spinoff, then explain Florida and Henry, played by Esther Rolle and John Amos.

And also, if he said that, then why did he say otherwise in the interview?
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Norman Lear mustíve been drunk while writing that book because he specifically said he originated the Florida Evans character from Eric Monteís original The Black Family scripts, put her on Maude, then after a year or two SPUN her off to her own show, Good Times. Nothing that ANYONE provides can ever change Maudeís Florida Evans and Henry Evans, once again, played by both Esther Rolle and John Amos.
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Norman Lear mustíve been drunk while writing that book because he specifically said he originated the Florida Evans character from Eric Monteís original The Black Family scripts, put her on Maude, then after a year or two SPUN her off to her own show, Good Times. Nothing that ANYONE provides can ever change Maudeís Florida Evans and Henry Evans, once again, played by both Esther Rolle and John Amos.
He didnt write it, the author is Sean Campbell and included an interview with Lear inside the book
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I purchased a great book called "The Sitcoms on Norman Lear" and now in the Good Times Chapter and on page 99 it was stated that Lear did not believe Good Times was a true spinoff. His statement was....."I got the idea for this show two and a half years ago before there was a Maude from Mike Evans" Lear Told reporters in 1974. Lear also stated that "we never seen a black family on TV before and it sounded like a good idea. Its taken two years to develop it and went through 30 drafts of the story for the first episode. The idea for Good Times undergone many script changes before Florida ever arrived in Tuckahoe. As the show evolved and continued season after season, Lear was appalled by anyone who called Good Times a spinoff. By the third season he went around Hollywood telling people that he would throw up if he heard it called that one more time.

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That pretty much sums it up. Lear was working on Goodtimes probably even before Maude hit the airwaves.

One thing does bothers me though. Why would the book author (Sean Campbell) in post #3 still believe Goodtimes is spin off Maude if in his book Lear say other wise?

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Iím getting sick of this.

We will NEVER hear the end of this, because thereís one side that keeps on bringing up this evidence that has been TRIED and TRIED over and over again, not willing to except history or the other sideís evidence. How many times are we gonna go through this?

If you wanna believe Good Times and Maude are not in the same universe, then fine, believe it, but I believe that Good Times and Maude are indeed connected, and Iíll stand by my opinion, but Iím not gonna do this back and forth. It wasnít Norman Lear who was working on Good Times, it was Eric Monte. Eric Monte had wrote scripts entitled ďThe Black FamilyĒ, based off of his childhood living in a Chicago housing project located in a high crime area, dating way back to 1971. In 1972, the TV show Maude was created. Coincidentally, soon after itís premiere, Eric Monte went out to sell his scripts to Hollywood and he ran into one guy and had him read his scripts, long story short, the man suggested that he bring it to Norman Lear. So Eric did just that, but Lear said the scripts called for more work, so after some improvising and compromising, they eventually, in the end came out with Good Times. But right off the bat, Lear noticed character Mattie Black from Monteís original Black Family scripts and turned her into Florida Evans, and decided it would be a better idea to bring her onto his brand new show called Maude, as mentioned earlier, before giving her her own show. And in the blink of an eye, a new character named Florida Evans debuted on Maude as Maudeís housekeeper, and immediately became a household name. Nearly two years later, Lear felt it was time for Florida Evans to be spun off to her own show, Good Times after seeing the popularity of her character. So instead of being consistent about it, he took Eric Monteís Black Family premise and made it the overall premise of Good Times, wanting a different background. Even Monte himself stated that Lear took his Black Family premise, took Mattie Black and turned her into Florida Evans, introduced her on Maude, and later spun her off onto her own show, pretty much taking his idea, but somehow keeping it within the Maude universe to an extent.

Iím sorry, but to be blunt, Iím sick of this sh*t topic.
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Haven't we covered the fact that Norman Lear took pre existing material and twisted it in the Maude universe? So spinoff.

By the way, I have that book. Bought it for the One Day At A Time chapter. Disappointing though, because it only covers season one.
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Haven't we covered the fact that Norman Lear took pre existing material and twisted it in the Maude universe? So spinoff.

By the way, I have that book. Bought it for the One Day At A Time chapter. Disappointing though, because it only covers season one.
Im on the Good Times Chapter working my way to the Jeffersons. I see that ODAAT is the last chapter
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