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Old 04-03-2011, 11:38 AM   #16
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Here's something I've been thinking about regarding this issue.

As sorry as I was to see GL and ATWT cancelled, both lasted over 50 years and honestly, you could argue that that is far and away more than a successful run. By that point, it is increasingly difficult to keep coming up with new stories and characters that haven't been seen a dozen times before. By that time it seems like everyone is town has 'paired up' with each other at least once, everyone's died and come back from the dead, fallen in love and had obstacles, the villain's been defeated dozens of times, and everyone's had at least one unknown child show up and create trouble years later. While you can have new characters coming in, if you overemphasize them you run the risk of really changing the show so much that it doesn't even resemble the show it began as (the classic families are diminished, the fictional town itself is radically changed, etc.)

Maybe...just maybe...what needs to happen to save the genre is the introduction of new shows that have high quality writing and acting, not just niche shows that feature models trying to act (which most of the newer shows tend to be and end up failing).

Don't get me wrong. I revere the old shows and really hate to see them go, but...I guess what I'm asking is "Is there a point at which shows really need to die a natural death, beyond which you really can't expect them to work anymore?" As sad as it was to see them go, I don't really think anyone could say that GL and ATWT had "untapped potential." Their potential was tapped, and realized many, many times.
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Then we find out less than two weeks later - it was all a smoke screen.
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Here's something I've been thinking about regarding this issue.

As sorry as I was to see GL and ATWT cancelled, both lasted over 50 years and honestly, you could argue that that is far and away more than a successful run. By that point, it is increasingly difficult to keep coming up with new stories and characters that haven't been seen a dozen times before. By that time it seems like everyone is town has 'paired up' with each other at least once, everyone's died and come back from the dead, fallen in love and had obstacles, the villain's been defeated dozens of times, and everyone's had at least one unknown child show up and create trouble years later. While you can have new characters coming in, if you overemphasize them you run the risk of really changing the show so much that it doesn't even resemble the show it began as (the classic families are diminished, the fictional town itself is radically changed, etc.)

Maybe...just maybe...what needs to happen to save the genre is the introduction of new shows that have high quality writing and acting, not just niche shows that feature models trying to act (which most of the newer shows tend to be and end up failing).

Don't get me wrong. I revere the old shows and really hate to see them go, but...I guess what I'm asking is "Is there a point at which shows really need to die a natural death, beyond which you really can't expect them to work anymore?" As sad as it was to see them go, I don't really think anyone could say that GL and ATWT had "untapped potential." Their potential was tapped, and realized many, many times.
GL sure got real bad at the end. I had stopped watching it long before it was canceled but every once and awhile I would tune it. I especially didn't like how they filmed the show like a reality show. lol I did watch the final episode and although it was nice to see Josh and Reva together, the rest of the episode was so blaaa. They should have had more former cast members in it.
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If you guys check out websites like We Love Soaps and Soap Opera Network - you'd see venom the likes of which you've never seen before spewed at Brian Frons/ABC/Disney (and deservedly so). I've never heard of TWO soaps given cancellation notice on the same day - at least soaps as long-running and legendary as AMC & OLTL. I know that The Doctors and Texas, both on NBC, went off the air the same day (December 31, 1982), but that's all I can think of.
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GL sure got real bad at the end. I had stopped watching it long before it was canceled but every once and awhile I would tune it. I especially didn't like how they filmed the show like a reality show. lol I did watch the final episode and although it was nice to see Josh and Reva together, the rest of the episode was so blaaa. They should have had more former cast members in it.


I agree. As disapointed as I was to see GL go, the last two years it was a real disapointment.
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I was surprised that it didn't do well under Ellen Wheeler's watch. I mean, here she is, a veteran actress with two Daytime Emmys under her belt who made a seamless transition into directing soaps. So I thought she'd be able to turn things around as Executive Producer. Guess not.
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As a casual viewer of GL, I always thought they had one foot out the door all the time anyway. I mean if it wasnt the backlash with the reality tv type format, which I thought should have worked, it was the fact they were always in last place ratings wise for years. I think the reality tv set up would have worked if it was GH or Y&R but because GL was in last place plus the fact it aired 2 different times it got cancelled.

If your wondering what I mean by airing at 2 different times, GL aired at 10 am on WCBS which is the NY affilate and it aired 3 pm on WFSB which is the Connecticut affilate.
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I was surprised that it didn't do well under Ellen Wheeler's watch. I mean, here she is, a veteran actress with two Daytime Emmys under her belt who made a seamless transition into directing soaps. So I thought she'd be able to turn things around as Executive Producer. Guess not.
I have to say I did not know she was at the helm at GL. Shows you how out of the loop I've been.

I stopped following GL after the way they treated poor Michael Zaslow, and never really went back. I'd tune in for a few minutes once in a while just to see if I knew anybody (I usually didn't) but for the most part, that was my Waterloo with the show.
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I have to say I did not know she was at the helm at GL. Shows you how out of the loop I've been.

I stopped following GL after the way they treated poor Michael Zaslow, and never really went back. I'd tune in for a few minutes once in a while just to see if I knew anybody (I usually didn't) but for the most part, that was my Waterloo with the show.
Yep, that's when I quit watching. I wonder how many fans GL lost by treating him like that?
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As a casual viewer of GL, I always thought they had one foot out the door all the time anyway. I mean if it wasnt the backlash with the reality tv type format, which I thought should have worked, it was the fact they were always in last place ratings wise for years. I think the reality tv set up would have worked if it was GH or Y&R but because GL was in last place plus the fact it aired 2 different times it got cancelled.

If your wondering what I mean by airing at 2 different times, GL aired at 10 am on WCBS which is the NY affilate and it aired 3 pm on WFSB which is the Connecticut affilate.
Yea one of my local affiliates aired it at 10 am too. Usually when a soap moves to the morning, it's days are numbered.
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She was EP of GL from 2004 until its end in 2009.
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Yep, that's when I quit watching. I wonder how many fans GL lost by treating him like that?
I thought the reason why they fired him was heartless and cruel at that time, and was saddened by his passing in 1998. But Zaz's story took on a deeper and much more personal dimension when my grandfather was diagnosed with the same disease (ALS) in early 2001. Sure, my grandfather was quite a bit older than Zaz, and had been retired for a long time, but it still hit hard. That was probably the stupidest, insensitive moment in the history of P&G's soaps - all of soaps, really.
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I thought the reason why they fired him was heartless and cruel at that time, and was saddened by his passing in 1998. But Zaz's story took on a deeper and much more personal dimension when my grandfather was diagnosed with the same disease (ALS) in early 2001. Sure, my grandfather was quite a bit older than Zaz, and had been retired for a long time, but it still hit hard. That was probably the stupidest, insensitive moment in the history of P&G's soaps - all of soaps, really.
I remember you mentioning your Grandfather. I agree with you about GL. They could have wrote Zaslow's disease into the show and actually made a difference. They could have helped him and educated the public on the disease. Instead they replaced him with some has-been actor who didn't last long and got rid of Roger pretty fast. Then they had the nerve to air a tribute show of him hosted by Maureen Garrett after he died. I remember watching him on Larry King where he talked about his last days over there. He said he had friends over there but they were afraid they'd get fired if they said anything.
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It's still incredible to think that more of the cast/crew etc, didn't do something; a work freeze, a protest, something.

I guess I shouldn't judge but honestly, that was just beyond bad business and bad judgment. That was abject cruelty. I agree, Sonny; how hard would it have been to write his illness into the script? Obviously he would have had to leave at some point but for a while it could have really been a powerful and educational story; the proud and often arrogant villain who must face his own mortality and disability.

It's still galling to me, after all these years.

And it is indeed an insidious and horrible disease. I feel so much for the victims of it (including Toto's Steve Porcaro, apparently). Here's hoping there's a cure SOON!
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I never wanted Beverlee Mckinsey to leave GL. I remember how she just left and nobody knew it until after she filmed her final scenes. After what they did to Michael Zaslow, it sort of gives me a different feeling. I found this article she did with TV Guide right after she left GL.

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