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Old 03-25-2020, 07:36 PM   #46
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She seems to be a very private person and I also get the feeling she wants to keep a distance from her FOL years. At least she did for a long while after the show ended. I don't know how she is about it today.
There is a certain podcast episode she did that's about an hour or so, and it is WONDERFUL. It made me respect and appreciate her so much.
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Suzanne actually went on talk shows to air her grievances in public, making the producers look bad. That was never going to end well
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and was never going to be accepted in Hollywood (where big studio execs, all men, controlled every aspect of the business).
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the Nancy/Michael relationship was very well known at the time, and they were photographed smooching everywhere. Here they are hobnobbing with the Reagans (see below).
"Eehhhhh, sorry about parkin' our bike on Nance's fowers, Ron. I thought they were weeds!"
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I too preferred Pollan over Cox. Like her Freinds co-star Aniston, she doesn't have much acting range either(


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She had dramatic scenes and stories.

Thank you 80sSitcoms: BLAIR definitely had tons of dramatic scenes, but for some reason, some of the FOL fan seem to think otherwise!
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Thank you 80sSitcoms: BLAIR definitely had tons of dramatic scenes, but for some reason, some of the FOL fan seem to think otherwise!
I wish we had seen more though. The scene where Blair warns Jo not to get too close to her boyfriend's son and then leave him was her alluding to her own childhood and you saw the underlying hurt there. I think she's pretty good with the dramatics.

Maybe she doesn't gush tears from her eyes like Niagara Falls as with Jo, but Lisa's drama acting is more quiet and subtle in comparison. It's a nice difference from Jo's messy, snot nosed crying.
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I wish we had seen more though. The scene where Blair warns Jo not to get too close to her boyfriend's son and then leave him was her alluding to her own childhood and you saw the underlying hurt there. I think she's pretty good with the dramatics.

Maybe she doesn't gush tears from her eyes like Niagara Falls as with Jo, but Lisa's drama acting is more quiet and subtle in comparison. It's a nice difference from Jo's messy, snot nosed crying.

Thank you once again cfr1970: you really spoke from the heart!

BLAIR definitely was very subtle in hiding her emotions, but if you read between the lines you can see how much she suffers when she is hurt, and you don't have to 'gush tears form your eyes like Niagara Falls' as you nicely put it ha ha!

JO on the other hand didn't hide anything (even though she was supposed to be the 'tough' one)
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Thank you once again cfr1970: you really spoke from the heart!

BLAIR definitely was very subtle in hiding her emotions, but if you read between the lines you can see how much she suffers when she is hurt, and you don't have to 'gush tears form your eyes like Niagara Falls' as you nicely put it ha ha!

JO on the other hand didn't hide anything (even though she was supposed to be the 'tough' one)
Yep! I think both Jo and Tootie were the same when it came to their emotions when upset. They both just let it out and cried all over the place that you needed a mop to wipe up their tears.

And Blair & Natalie were the same in that those two were more reserved with their emotions when hurt or upset and held back on the open displays of tears.
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Yep! I think both Jo and Tootie were the same when it came to their emotions when upset. They both just let it out and cried all over the place that you needed a mop to wipe up their tears.

And Blair & Natalie were the same in that those two were more reserved with their emotions when hurt or upset and held back on the open displays of tears.

So true!
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That's generalizing too much though, and really there's no evidence that TGG "ripped off" anything from FOL. Some of the characters do have similarities, yes, but I doubt Susan Harris took her cues from FOL. There are a couple of great books all about the origin, concept, development, and history of the show.

But by your pattern, I'd say Mrs. G and Nat were more like mixed to be Sophia than Nat and Toot mixed like Rose.

How do you not get the appeal? lol It's one of the most classic sitcoms ever in the entire history of historical human mankind. It crosses all demographics of age and gender across the board with flying colors. Far more than FOL ever did and ever will (as dearly as I love this show).

That wasn't running out of ideas, that was part of the show's charm. Who doesn't love to sit around listening to their grandmothers and great-aunts tell hilarious family stories? (as we viewers did through the TV screen)



"You think you won, Nance? We'll show you!"

The Facts of Life was a popular show in the 80's. It had never been done before where a show was an all female cast. I'm sure it gave a lot of other writers and creators ideas to make their own version. There's so many similarities between the characters that it's hard to think The Golden Girls was an original idea. If it is, then it is. I think Susan took somethings from the show though to use in The Golden Girls.

Natalie loved writing stories and Tootie was so naive that that's why I think they were a mixture for Rose. Rose had her stories and she wasn't very bright. Tootie had a lot of Rose moments in the earlier seasons of the show. Like Tootie's line in Shoplifting when Jo steals a shirt, "how can we be accessories? We're in sportswear." Those were the type of lines used for Rose in The Golden Girls.

I think The Facts of Life is superior to The Golden Girls in quality. We're all different and my taste in shows don't find The Golden Girls appealing. As much as I love Bea Arthur in Maude, her character Dorothy was too mean to like and Rose was too much of a cartoon character to enjoy at times. It's not my cup of tea.

When a series needs to show flashbacks to previous episodes every season, they ran out of ideas for the episode order given by the network. I remember one time when I watched one of their flashback episodes in the later seasons I was thinking it was the writers way of reminding fans when the show was good and they didn't have to do so many damn flashback stories because they had ideas for episodes

I can totally picture the writers and producers saying that after Nancy's strike!! She obviously didn't mind though having the most workload since she stayed with the show 3 more years.
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Well, in my alternate faniverse, I changed it to Molly dating her photography teacher and getting in over her strong-willed head. I would have enjoyed that much more!
But, per the movie Sixteen Candles, Molly was jailbait in 1984. Did you forget her f?!*in birthday, lol?
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The Facts of Life was a popular show in the 80's. It had never been done before where a show was an all female cast.
If that's true, that's odd that that's never touted about the show (or if it is, it's not very loudly, lol).


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That still seems like quite a stretch.


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Tootie had a lot of Rose moments in the earlier seasons of the show. Like Tootie's line in Shoplifting when Jo steals a shirt, "how can we be accessories? We're in sportswear." Those were the type of lines used for Rose in The Golden Girls.
Well, in Tootie's defense it's not that she "wasn't bright", it's just she was so young and naive. They loved highlighting that "innocence of the youngest one" for her (which of course you know).


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I don't think I would say that, but they are 2 of my favorite shows.


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We're all different and my taste in shows don't find The Golden Girls appealing. As much as I love Bea Arthur in Maude, her character Dorothy was too mean to like and Rose was too much of a cartoon character to enjoy at times. It's not my cup of tea.
I consider the first 4 seasons truly "golden". (see what I did there? ) After that, eventually the later writers wrote Rose as "dumb", Blanche proud of being slutty, and Sophia as too mean (as opposed to you finding Dorothy that way).

I do enjoy some "Maude" now and then, but she's too strident and loud for me to watch regularly.


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When a series needs to show flashbacks to previous episodes every season, they ran out of ideas for the episode order given by the network.
I don't think that's the case. I think that was a conscious decision by the producers and writers to showcase the girls reminiscing. No show would run out of ideas after 23 episodes, lol. Like Susan Harris says, she loved writing older characters because they have stories. They have things to share and remember. Besides that, it's such "comfort TV" to watch them reminisce together.

Also, some of the flashback episodes aren't real flashbacks, but they flash back on to vignettes that were new material.

Oh, well. It's clear our sitcom tastes differ some on FOL and a lot outside of it, lol.
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If that's true, that's odd that that's never touted about the show (or if it is, it's not very loudly, lol).

That still seems like quite a stretch.

Well, in Tootie's defense it's not that she "wasn't bright", it's just she was so young and naive. They loved highlighting that "innocence of the youngest one" for her (which of course you know).

I don't think I would say that, but they are 2 of my favorite shows.

I consider the first 4 seasons truly "golden". (see what I did there? ) After that, eventually the later writers wrote Rose as "dumb", Blanche proud of being slutty, and Sophia as too mean (as opposed to you finding Dorothy that way).

I do enjoy some "Maude" now and then, but she's too strident and loud for me to watch regularly.

I don't think that's the case. I think that was a conscious decision by the producers and writers to showcase the girls reminiscing. No show would run out of ideas after 23 episodes, lol. Like Susan Harris says, she loved writing older characters because they have stories. They have things to share and remember. Besides that, it's such "comfort TV" to watch them reminisce together.

Also, some of the flashback episodes aren't real flashbacks, but they flash back on to vignettes that were new material.

Oh, well. It's clear our sitcom tastes differ some on FOL and a lot outside of it, lol.
Here's one article that mentions The Facts of Life was the first female cast show. It's definitely not mentioned as much as it should. It's also the longest running female lead series.

I still see a lot of Tootie in Rose. Thankfully she wasn't written to the extremes of being too silly to take.

Maude has hilarious one liners that I enjoy. Dorothy didn't have that. Dorothy was just there to boss people around and make fun of Rose. Like the episode where Sophia's friend wants her help in committing suicide. Dorothy tells Sophia if she does that, she'll wind up a Rose story. Rose was trying to be supportive to Sophia and Dorothy belittled her intentions. Suicide is a heavy topic and I feel Dorothy ignored Sophia's situation to take a jab at Rose in that scene.

I'd rather see the girls go through situations like we saw on The Facts of Life than sit at a table and show clips from previous episodes. Only a few of those flashback episodes were original with flashbacks about something not seen on screen before.

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