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Old 10-01-2005, 11:27 PM   #16
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samples do not really help out too much, i did that about 3 months ago with someone, he sent me a sample disc #1 of a 30 some odd set, it was ok, about 7.5-8 depending on who judged it so i agreed, but when the set came the first 10 discs are that good, but the next 20 were low 7 or 6.5
so then there i am in the same situation
do i take the crappy set i dont want now and cannot really use? it was not a rare set and i knew there were better out there....

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Old 10-02-2005, 03:12 AM   #17
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samples do not really help out too much, i did that about 3 months ago with someone, he sent me a sample disc #1 of a 30 some odd set, it was ok, about 7.5-8 depending on who judged it so i agreed, but when the set came the first 10 discs are that good, but the next 20 were low 7 or 6.5
so then there i am in the same situation
do i take the crappy set i dont want now and cannot really use? it was not a rare set and i knew there were better out there....

trading is still not a certainty unless you trade with people you know well from previous trades. This was not an honest sample but a selective one. i.e. that person lied.

Really there is no true way to know a strangers quality without having that set in your hands. Trading is a risky hobby at times
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:27 AM   #18
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I know if I get a sample disc, I'd really prefer to see the worst disc first. Then everything else is a pleasant surprise. :>

Quality is such a subjective thing and I don't find numbers particularly useful. I'd want to know what the source is, whether the show is cut or not, etc., and these are elements many traders don't factor into their ratings scales. For me, image and audio quality are only part of the story.

I've been trading since the late 1970s, but I'm am generally new to many of the online trading communities. I'm not a newbie, but I may be to a group, so I don't have a problem sending first, if that's agreed at the beginning. I do have a problem sending under the belief that the other person is sending at the same time, or has sent already, and they're actually waiting to get my parcel before sending. Until now, I've always had difficulty getting parcels going out of the US to the PO in a timely manner, because of my work schedule, so I've often been lagging behind on getting those packages out. But as of yesterday, my local PO is now open later during the week, and all day on Saturday, so sending packages where I have to go to the PO will be so much easier ...

I agree that if the package you receive does not meet the agreed-upon terms, you have the right to refuse the trade in whole or in part. I do think that the terms need to be stated very carefully up front though, because it could very easily happen that the next person you trade with could use that out to receive your discs, copy them, and ship them back claiming they aren't what was promised. It's a fine line. This is why many eBay sellers now post auctions with the proviso that they will not refund, they will only replace.
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Old 10-02-2005, 11:40 AM   #19
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I agree that if the package you receive does not meet the agreed-upon terms, you have the right to refuse the trade in whole or in part. I do think that the terms need to be stated very carefully up front though, because it could very easily happen that the next person you trade with could use that out to receive your discs, copy them, and ship them back claiming they aren't what was promised. It's a fine line. This is why many eBay sellers now post auctions with the proviso that they will not refund, they will only replace.
we all know that there are a certain number of just plain thieves in this hobby or any other one

the reason people put no returns on on ebay or ioffer is very easy to figure, its a video rental for free business if thats not the case,

people who are scammers, thieves, etc, buy something, copy it and try to return it for a variety of reasons

i have had people want to return sets ---because they didnt enjoy the show, like a month later, not that the show was poor quality, they didnt like the series

there is also a way around the no return policy, if a person pays with a good credit card, even through paypal, they can whine for no reason, and there will be a charge back from the credit card company

i have been hit with that about 4 times, and of course they need to leave nagative feedback first, then whine to paypal, which they loose out on, and then they file the credit card complaint,a nd they almsot always win that , paypal caves in

this is how i got most of my negative feedbacks, from freeloaders

thats the number two reason that so many video sellers dont take paypal, the number one reason is they want to steal your money and have no recourse for either no delivery or poor items
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Loren here is another big problem with pay pal

INTERNATIONAL ORDERS

last month I had someone pay pal me $200 for some sets, i sent them, 3 weeks later they "never arrived" and they filed a pay pal complaint

WELL SINCE I HAVE TO PROVIDE PAY PAL TRACKING INFO
i had to resend the set GLOBAL EXPRESS FOR $42 in shipping b/c that was the ONLY WAY TO HAVE A TRACKING # to Europe that can be checked online, and 3 weeks later pay pal refunded them the $ any way!

WHY? when i asked them they told me that EVEN THOUGH THE TRACKING # shows delivered in the region and nation, it is NOT SPECIFIC Enough to use as verification--- so i am out the $200, the $10 REVERSAL FEE they charge me, the $42 in shipping, the $11 in airmail the first time, and 2 sets of 75 discs

I WILL NO LONGER TAKE PAY PAL OVERSEAS NO MATTER WHAT, i am out over $300 on the deal!

and the worst thing is I know the buyer got the set, most likely both sets for free

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Old 10-02-2005, 01:45 PM   #21
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there is a whole site about people who have been messed over via pay pal

www.paypalwarning.com

AOL has it BLOCKED
aol users cannot access the site b/c of SECURITY ALERT
but i accesed it from friends house, lots of stories of people who got taken for a ride by someone using pay pal

i love pay pal but i try to get teh $ out the second it goes in JUST IN CASE and i do NOT have my bank acct info linked to pay pal

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Old 10-02-2005, 03:00 PM   #22
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...last month I had someone pay pal me $200 for some sets, i sent them, 3 weeks later they "never arrived" and they filed a pay pal complaint...
Lamont,

Please do me a favor? Post that person's name or at LEAST email me with it???
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Old 10-05-2005, 05:05 AM   #23
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We shouldn't have to be told to "send what you promised anyway" because then what is the good of having "newbies send first"?

What bothers me most is that those that are staunch "no way am I gonna send" are looked upon as though they're ruthless or jerks, when the fact of the matter is that there should be some sort of standard for when you receive items that you were told would be otherwise.

(i.e. Over the years I've met some really cocky cops, but that doesn't mean they're in the wrong. They just come across badly.)

Anyone up to writing up the standard and hitting up the moderators for adding it to the Trading Post's policy?
i have a detailed picture quality guage that i use to grade my shows i will post it below.hope it helps in some way

10/10 perfect (absolute pristine picture,the sort of quality you get from digitally restored movies)

9/10 :very good (standard dvd quality picture that you would get taping a show from tv straight onto dvd in sp.or buying a retail dvd from a reputable manufacturer)

8/10 :good (top quality vhs picture clearly defined with little/no blurrring of the image ,columbia house etc)

7/10 :good/fair (good quality vhs picture the sort you get from dubbing top quality master tapes to sp copies.slight blurring

6/10 :fair (acceptable quality vhs ,picture can still be easily defined but with slightly more blurring.pic may experience the odd jump )

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What about posting the list of quality ratings with a screen shot along with it to illustrate what is considered best quality 9-10, etc. Some people might just think they have a great quality show from the 80s when actually they have several generations down. I don't know, I just hate to think that people could rip you off intentionally. Guess I don't trade enough LOL.
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I think the unfortunate fact is that people who are honorable trade honorably - mistakes can be made, but good folks make good on stuff like that. If someone's going to rip you off, it doesn't matter how many samples, screen shots, grading scales, or small-scale trades happen, they're still going to rip you off when the spirit moves them.

It's sad. But, it does make you cherish the good folks in the hobby all the more. I feel very fortunate I've had as good luck as I have. Like everyone, I've been ripped off a few times, and by a couple of well-known, otherwise well-thought-of traders. But most of my trades have come through, and I've met some wonderful people in the process.
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GOod idea.....Let me think of a way to add this..
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I think the unfortunate fact is that people who are honorable trade honorably - mistakes can be made, but good folks make good on stuff like that. If someone's going to rip you off, it doesn't matter how many samples, screen shots, grading scales, or small-scale trades happen, they're still going to rip you off when the spirit moves them.

It's sad. But, it does make you cherish the good folks in the hobby all the more. I feel very fortunate I've had as good luck as I have. Like everyone, I've been ripped off a few times, and by a couple of well-known, otherwise well-thought-of traders. But most of my trades have come through, and I've met some wonderful people in the process.
this is a nice idea, but in reality will not solve anything

just recently there was a screen shot of a set on this very board, i also have the same exact set from the same exact person

there is 100% no way that the screen shot on the sitcoms board was from that same set that was being sold--traded
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I think a universal grading system however. Might be an idea to consider.

Similar to the quality they compare selling on half.com for example as j. Cole pointed out.

Anyone can lie about a screen shot, but what I am suggestion is that some people consider different things different quality. And I am wondering if there is a way to find a common consideration for this.
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The answers posted here are all well and good but getting away from what I'd intended with my initial post:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...45#post2734045

i.e. Just sending something in the mail does not mean that's the end of someone's responsibility (sending a supposed "complete" set that is NOT complete; grossly over estimating the quality of a set; etc.)

Whenever this issue has come up, people will tout "you promised to send, so send". But if that is the way we have to handle issues such as this, then people can purposely send their trash, knowing that members of this board will side with them, despite the lies.

Instead of telling members here that have a good reputation "you promised to send, so send", we need to give these members "permission" to not fulfill their end of an agreement when they've been sent an item that was not as promised.
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I think a universal grading system however. Might be an idea to consider.

Similar to the quality they compare selling on half.com for example as j. Cole pointed out.

Anyone can lie about a screen shot, but what I am suggestion is that some people consider different things different quality. And I am wondering if there is a way to find a common consideration for this.

Possible solution:

A set doesn't get graded until several members have the discs in their posession and are able to come to a consensus rating.

Of course this will not help the people who get it first if the discs turn out to be poor.
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