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Old 07-08-2015, 05:48 PM   #16
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Hmmm. I hate to sound mean, but I think Ester Rolle didn't want someone as pretty as Janet to be the neighbor. Had to be. Like you said, she had no complaints about her age difference with John Amos, her husband. So why would the age difference matter w/r/t her neighbor?

I think there were virtuous and ego-driven reasons for Rolle and Amos balking at the JJ character. I think they wanted more lines and to be more visible on the show. I also think they viewed the writers and producers as going waaay overboard with the bafoonery of the JJ character.
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Hmmm. I hate to sound mean, but I think Ester Rolle didn't want someone as pretty as Janet to be the neighbor. Had to be. Like you said, she had no complaints about her age difference with John Amos, her husband. So why would the age difference matter w/r/t her neighbor?

I think there were virtuous and ego-driven reasons for Rolle and Amos balking at the JJ character. I think they wanted more lines and to be more visible on the show. I also think they viewed the writers and producers as going waaay overboard with the bafoonery of the JJ character.
Who knows. DuBois was much younger and prettier than Rolle. That can be a sore spot for any woman, let's face it.
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Old 07-08-2015, 05:57 PM   #18
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I think Ester Rolle was intended to be the star, but i didn't turn out that way.

The proof is in the pudding. Go back and look at the pilot episode. That is clearly what the show was intended to be. Esther was the star, disciplining the sometimes mischievous kids, loving and supporting a husband getting hit with hard knocks, having the temporary social outlet of her best friend and neighbor, and just generally holding it all together. JJ was not the star in the pilot. If any kid was the star, it was Michael, in the pilot.

As the season progressed, the other characters were given story lines, but Esther Rolle had the dramatic monologue or she delivered the moral punchlines. By the time the first season was over, she was delivering less and less monologues. All the characters got more involved, but JJ's slap stick antics clearly became a good 5-8 minutes of every show. And no question, that is part of what made the show become popular.

All I am saying is that it was not the original formula intended for the show.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:17 PM   #19
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While I completely cosign with Mr. Amos's and the late Miss Rolle's frustration re how the show's original, thought-provoking progressive ensemble dynamics were stilted if not altogether destroyed re turning the show into a LAFF-A-MINUTE J J Dyno-MITE show, by Mr. Amos's own admission, he'd threatened violence on the show's writers [which Miss Rolle does NOT seem to have done], so, as talented as he is and vital as his character was the to show, I'm sorry but I agree with Mr. Lear's decision to fire Mr. Amos. One can't expect to continue staying employed after threatening violence to a coworker no matter how frustrated one may be with them or even if one's POV is perfectly logical and correct.
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I think Ester Rolle was intended to be the star, but i didn't turn out that way.

The proof is in the pudding. Go back and look at the pilot episode. That is clearly what the show was intended to be. Esther was the star, disciplining the sometimes mischievous kids, loving and supporting a husband getting hit with hard knocks, having the temporary social outlet of her best friend and neighbor, and just generally holding it all together. JJ was not the star in the pilot. If any kid was the star, it was Michael, in the pilot.

As the season progressed, the other characters were given story lines, but Esther Rolle had the dramatic monologue or she delivered the moral punchlines. By the time the first season was over, she was delivering less and less monologues. All the characters got more involved, but JJ's slap stick antics clearly became a good 5-8 minutes of every show. And no question, that is part of what made the show become popular.

All I am saying is that it was not the original formula intended for the show.
I still think James was the star because his absence was more noticeable than JJ's and Florida's during season 3
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:23 AM   #21
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I still think James was the star because his absence was more noticeable than JJ's and Florida's during season 3
I'm sure the same thing would have happened if instead of James it was Florida was killed off with no chance to return.
The problem is they couldn't replace a guy like Amos. He played the character too well. Not just a stereotypical sitcom dad.

And not having a father around it forced the show to change direction. And things went down hill.
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I'm sure the same thing would have happened if instead of James it was Florida was killed off with no chance to return.
The problem is they couldn't replace a guy like Amos. He played the character too well. Not just a stereotypical sitcom dad.

And not having a father around it forced the show to change direction. And things went down hill.

Once Florida left, they should have gotten rid of Willona
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For me, the show ended and was no longer "Good Times" once John Amos was gone.
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They should have kept James and gotten rid of JJ. James was a much better character.. JJ's character was a waste of time.. They made him out to be a clown.
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They should have kept James and gotten rid of JJ. James was a much better character.. JJ's character was a waste of time.. They made him out to be a clown.
I wonder now if it was somewhat unfair to single out JJ for being a "buffoon" (or remotely goofy, silly or over the top instead of "stoic and deathly serious") type character? To put things into perspective there’s buffoonery in almost every sitcom, regardless of race. So it isn't unique to Good Times. Heck, Jim Carrey made a whole career out of buffoonery as did Tom Green.
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