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Old 03-13-2008, 11:45 AM   #31
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Wow, thank you so much for your response, purple rose. Your explanations make much sense, and I think unfortunetely, as viewers, we only have what UM shows us to go on and make our conclusions. Sadly, UM has mis-led (perhaps unintentionally) viewers in the past, and I believe they may have done it again with this case.

I look forward to reading your book. Thanks again for your reply and God bless.

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Your explanations make much sense, and I think unfortunetely, as viewers, we only have what UM shows us to go on and make our conclusions. Sadly, UM has mis-led (perhaps unintentionally) viewers in the past, and I believe they may have done it again with this case.
I don't think UM has mis-led, it's just that people sometimes have an agenda based on what they perceive the truth to be. I believe UM tried to capture the essence of what makes Cindy's case so intriguing...the uncertainty over a lot of things because of the lack of evidence and the different perspectives of people. It's so easy to jump to conclusions and speculate if there are unknowns. I hope my book will help people come to their own conclusion based on the huge amount of new details that I provide and the different way of looking at the case through the book. It will be really interesting to have your feedback after you read it.
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I have so many questions for you purple rose but I'm sure you're very limited in what you can say since you have a book coming out. Lets just say I'm anxious to read it and see if and what role you think her ex had in her stalkings and murder.
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I have so many questions for you purple rose but I'm sure you're very limited in what you can say since you have a book coming out. Lets just say I'm anxious to read it and see if and what role you think her ex had in her stalkings and murder.
Well, a few things I can point out are:
…Cindy originally denied she thought he was involved.
Even though both Cindy’s security services provider and the police originally thought Cindy’s ex-husband might have been responsible for Cindy’s harassment and attacks, I disagreed. For one thing, her first attack on January 27, 1983, came after she had already decided to move back into the marital home for safety reasons after she and her husband had separated, so it does not make sense to think he was setting up an attack to pressure her into moving back.
And, to me, Cindy NEVER said he was behind anything. (That doesn’t necessarily mean anything.)
And although several of Cindy’s friends talked of injuries Cindy allegedly acquired at the hands of her ex-husband, it all traces back to hearsay—to what Cindy told people—except for the time he admitted to slapping her (one of my brothers heard but didn’t see it). Otherwise, nobody ever saw him doing anything physically hurtful to her.
So is it possible she became so scared as the harassment escalated (and was maybe being blackmailed by someone?) that she changed her story (to some people) to protect her family members?
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Thanks for all of the great info, purple rose.

I think what makes it so hard for many of us who saw the UM story to understand about Cindy is some of those big contradictions. Walking her dog at night, no "stalkings" when security was watching, withholding information, etc. As someone else said, that's what makes it such an interesting story.

Speaking of your book, I know that Neil Hall (the reporter featured in the UM story who was critical of Cindy) wrote a book about Cindy's story. Did you ever read it, and if so, what did you think of it?

I know reading a book by an author who thinks your sister did it herself is probably a bit morbid, but I wondered if you wanted to read what he said so you would know.

Again, thanks for all of the info and all of your honesty. It is great and we all appreciate it.
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Speaking of your book, I know that Neil Hall (the reporter featured in the UM story who was critical of Cindy) wrote a book about Cindy's story. Did you ever read it, and if so, what did you think of it?

I know reading a book by an author who thinks your sister did it herself is probably a bit morbid, but I wondered if you wanted to read what he said so you would know.
Well Todd, a distorted view of events was presented in both Neal Hall’s and Ian Mulgrew’s books published in 1991. They were sensational versions of other people’s speculated ideas of the truth. Neither Neal’s book nor Mulgrew’s book incorporated any of the insights so critical to understanding exactly what went on as Cindy’s world crumbled around her.
Mulgrew’s book portrayed Cindy as a paranoid, insecure woman who fabricated the incidents—a woman obviously in need of help, who died before anyone realized how ill she was.
And Hall’s book mainly regurgitated the incomplete information presented at the inquest and said Cindy’s death could have been the result of murder by misadventure—due to one of her alter personalities.
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Huh. Thanks, purple rose.

Do you think Cindy was mentally ill at all? I do NOT mean that to be disrespectful in the least. I guess I'm asking if that aggrevated what happened to her or was caused by what happened to her. In any event, your poor sister was a troubled woman.

I didn't read either the Hall book or the other one, but some here have. I definitely want to read yours as it sounds like with your insight we can finally get a better understanding of Cindy the person.

Take care!
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Todd, it's really interesting that you ask about Cindy's mental state because someone just emailed me today about that very question and I'm going to be talking about it on my Blog in the next few days.
When Cindy was alive I had no idea of the degree of hell she was suffering through with her harassment--and I had believed she was definitely not crazy, nor suffering from a multiple personality. A dissociative disorder would have been a thought outside the realm of possibility at the time, if anyone had dared to suggest it to me.
She was an amazing person.
She was distraught and stubborn and witheld information and was emotional and did unusual things, but she was always loving and kind and considerate and compassionate and thoughtful.
She tried to starve herself to death after the house fire in 1986 and ended up in the hospital. She was very ill then because of what was happening -- the investigation was going nowhere and fingers were getting pointed at her even though there was no evidence to prove anything. She wanted to die then. She had given up. But she got better and by 1989 there was no hint of suicide. Even her doctor said so.
As crystaldawn pointed out, I'm rather limited in what I can say right now. Wish I could say more as there is so much more to the story than what has come out before.
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Todd, it's really interesting that you ask about Cindy's mental state because someone just emailed me today about that very question and I'm going to be talking about it on my Blog in the next few days.
When Cindy was alive I had no idea of the degree of hell she was suffering through with her harassment--and I had believed she was definitely not crazy, nor suffering from a multiple personality. A dissociative disorder would have been a thought outside the realm of possibility at the time, if anyone had dared to suggest it to me.
She was an amazing person.
She was distraught and stubborn and witheld information and was emotional and did unusual things, but she was always loving and kind and considerate and compassionate and thoughtful.
She tried to starve herself to death after the house fire in 1986 and ended up in the hospital. She was very ill then because of what was happening -- the investigation was going nowhere and fingers were getting pointed at her even though there was no evidence to prove anything. She wanted to die then. She had given up. But she got better and by 1989 there was no hint of suicide. Even her doctor said so.
As crystaldawn pointed out, I'm rather limited in what I can say right now. Wish I could say more as there is so much more to the story than what has come out before.
I am so glad you are on here purple rose to give input because anytime we have seen this story we always hear or see a new thing that makes us doubt our original thought process.

Something turned me off from that neal hall guy...First off UM was not very clear about any prior training on tying knots thats she may have had..

This whole thing with the knot and the type of knot that was used..okay a knot specialist came in and recreated the knot in 3 minutes. Was Cindy a girl scout or knot training that she knew how to do special knots no one else can do? Couldn't they have gotten a normal person to try the same knot and see if they could recreate it in so many minutes? And she had drugs into her system, right? Did they drug up the knot specialist and tell him to recreate the knot?

The whole knot specialist scenario is like seeing if a person who has no basketball skills can dunk like Michael Jordan and then have Michael Jordan come in as the specialist and dunk?

I have read your posts on here and have offered even more insight to what I think and I cant wait for your book. I am sorry for you and your families loss..
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Welcome streetbond! Yes I agree that Cindy James was murdered. I agree that it would extremely difficult for her to have hogtied herself. Not to mention the drugs in her system were apparently injected, yet there was no syringe near the body. The massive amount she had in her system would have rendered her unconscious very quickly which is another fact that points to her not having committed suicide. Not sure if you know this streetbond but Cindy's sister is currently finishing up a book she wrote about her sister's death. She does post to this board so hopefully she'll let us know when its available to buy. I'm very curious to read what her sister thinks about who is responsible for Cindy's death.
According to the UM segment, they had someone replicate what Cindy may have done to herself just prior to her death and it was very possible even with all of those drugs in her system. I believe that Neal Hall said that it would have taken 15 minutes for the drugs to kick in and the expert replicating the knots that were used was able to do this in a matter of a few minutes. There is little doubt in my mind that Cindy James did this to herself.
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I don't want this to come out the wrong way as I sympathize with Purple Rose and her family's loss but Purple Rose's postings in this thread haven't shed much light on anything IMO. There isn't really any specific information that would lead one to believe that someone was actually harrassing Cindy and ultimately murdered her. I am hearing a lot of generalities about Cindy's situation but I am not seeing any specifics. I certainly don't see any evidence that indicates that someone was doing all of the things to Cindy that Cindy claims was being done to her. The fact that Cindy tried to starve herself at one point would be an indication that she had some serious mental problems.
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I'm the new guy and have been following the Cindy case for many years. I'm torn...If I was being harrassed like that and they couldn't figure it out I would have moved to a different city, province, state or country...so I don't get that. BUT the big thing that jumps out at me, is this was an inside job by the PI. Everything I've seen about him makes me think he was involved. And it's funny how his buiness really took off after this case. He was always in the news...and his cop friend ended up in jail after attacking a woman saying she reminded him of Cindy James. The cops and Cindy were both played by this Private investigator. It's the only thing that makes sense. Then he killed her when he didn't need her anymore because his business was starting to thrive.
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The whole knot specialist scenario is like seeing if a person who has no basketball skills can dunk like Michael Jordan and then have Michael Jordan come in as the specialist and dunk?
Angelina... that's awesome!

I never thought of it like that, but you make a great point. Having a "knot expert" do it isn't like having an average person, who may or may not have known how to hog tie themself.

I'm still really torn but what you say is funny, but also very insightful.
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Angelina... that's awesome!

I never thought of it like that, but you make a great point. Having a "knot expert" do it isn't like having an average person, who may or may not have known how to hog tie themself.

I'm still really torn but what you say is funny, but also very insightful.

hehehe you like that huh...I always have new comments and thoughts when I see it over again because I always miss something but that was actually said by my roommates and I thought it was a very good point to make....
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According to the UM segment, they had someone replicate what Cindy may have done to herself just prior to her death and it was very possible even with all of those drugs in her system. I believe that Neal Hall said that it would have taken 15 minutes for the drugs to kick in and the expert replicating the knots that were used was able to do this in a matter of a few minutes. There is little doubt in my mind that Cindy James did this to herself.
I was there in the courtroom when this demonstration by the so-called knot expert happened. And he said he was not knowledgeable about tying yourself up when under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Without having drugs in his system it took him approximately three minutes to tie the knots and loops for all four limbs, slip his feet into two loops, tie a ligature around his neck and then slip his hands into the remaining two loops, step through his hands so they would be bound behind his back, and fall over onto his side, as Cindy’s body was found.
Note: He admitted he felt lightheaded several seconds after tying the ligature around his neck but his breathing was not impaired. So add massive drugs in the system –wouldn’t a person be fumbling?
And he said a few more things (which didn't get into the media. And one of them happened to be a very important point about how the knots in his demonstration were different from the ones in Cindy's death ligature!)...but I'll be mentioning those other points in my Blog in a few days.

And Hall wasn't the drug expert and nobody said it would have taken 15 minutes for the drugs to take effect -- the effect of the drugs would have been dependent upon when she took them and nobody can know for certain the timeline for that. Remember, there were no containers with drug residue at the site so if she took all those pills (as opposed to someone injecting the morphine - murder for sure in that case) she downed them somewhere else. (Otherwise there would have been drug residue in her pockets or a container or on her hands or somewhere near her because she would have had to carry them there.)

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