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Old 12-26-2019, 11:43 PM   #31
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Burke did it and Patsy covered it up. She ended up playing the part of the hysterical wife perfectly. She obviously deflected suspicion. Watch her body language in interviews around that time.

Ultimately she is a tragic figure. Doesn't change that she and Burke did something horrible. They're basically Ananias and Sappora. Though I don't know about John.....what's the agreed upon staging of him that day?
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Burke did it and Patsy covered it up. She ended up playing the part of the hysterical wife perfectly. She obviously deflected suspicion. Watch her body language in interviews around that time.

Ultimately she is a tragic figure. Doesn't change that she and Burke did something horrible. They're basically Ananias and Sappora. Though I don't know about John.....what's the agreed upon staging of him that day?
Mine has changed from twenty years of basically believing Patsy did it, Burke either didn't know what happened or was intimidated into silence, to, following the 20-year specials, the above. I never suspected John and believe he slept through the initial attack and was an accessory to crime after the fact. Don't believe in any intruder and never will unless space aliens are dragged in. No human alive could so perfectly frame a family.
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Though I don't know about John.....what's the agreed upon staging of him that day?
Some of this is fact, some of this is speculation... At some point after the police detectives arrived, one of them suggested to John and his friend Fleet White that they search the house "from top to bottom" looking for JBR or any clues. They started in the basement. This is a bit odd as it would more likely for JBR to be upstairs in the living area and the detective said "top to bottom". Fleet White had previously looked in the basement and he opened the wine cellar door. When he did, he couldn't find a light and thus couldn't see anything. When they looked in the basement the second time, John opened the door and immediately saw JBR's body in the blanket. (This always bugged LE as they claimed there was no way he could see anything without a light.)

John ripped the tape off of JBR's mouth and then carried her body in the blanket up the stairs and laid it down in the living room. The problem is that he destroyed a lot of physical evidence at the scene of the body as well as on the body and blanket. LE said this was deliberate, while many others have said this was just a panicked parent finding their dead child. I could go either way on this. (As a side note, Patsy began weeping loudly and collapsed right on top of JonBenet yelling "Jesus, you raised Lazarus from the dead. Please raise my baby!" Which is a really, really odd thing to say in the moment.)

The other huge WTH moment to me is shortly after this, John called his pilot to switch their scheduled flight to Minneapolis to a flight to take them to Atlanta. His baby daughter's body was just found murdered in his house, and one of his first thoughts was "We need to get to Atlanta"? I realize they had a home there but that always really bothered me. It sounded more like him wanting to get the hell out of Dodge as opposed to going somewhere to grieve.

I tend to agree with people who say if the Ramseys are guilty, Patsy was the architect of the cover up and John either went along or was an accessory after the fact. One of the LE investigators firmly believes John didn't know until he found her body, and then started putting two and two together. When he realized his daughter was dead and his family had something to do with it and they may go to jail, he shut down and then quickly consulted an attorney.

I know there is no playbook for how grieving parents are supposed to act. I can't imagine losing one of my kids, especially under circumstances like this. However, I do think a lot of what they did and said was really odd. The oddest of all to me was the bizarre interview they did on CNN shortly after JBR died. Their behavior was odd and it seemed more self-serving than anything.
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Among the many televised interviews I did watch, and I have not seen all, John comes across as likable and credible, which is alarming absolutely knowing he is lying and that he knows he is lying and throwing innocent people under the bus. Patsy always came across as kind of overblown, overdone, and stagey, therefore more suspicious, but they both have complicity in this crime. I do believe Burke killed JonBenét suddenly by accident and it was not any drawn-out premeditated murder.
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Based on the 911 call that they enhanced the audio on, you can hear a conversation. I think we could make a case that John knew by the time of the phone call.

There are 3 known people in the house: John, Patsy and Burke.
There are 3 voices believed to be heard on the call: a man's voice, and 2 other voices that sound a lot more similar, like a woman and/or a young boy.

There's only one man in the house so it has to be John. It appears the voice of Burke says something like "What did you find?" and then John says something like "We're not speaking to you".

That's very standoffish, like there's a clear division. 'We' are not speaking to 'you'. If Burke is the 'you', then the 'we' could only mean John and Patsy. Why is there this division when they should be united against the person who wrote the ransom note, and likely took their daughter/sister? If what has been interpreted from that enhanced call is correct, it appears that John and Patsy believe Burke did it.
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Based on the 911 call that they enhanced the audio on, you can hear a conversation. I think we could make a case that John knew by the time of the phone call.

There are 3 known people in the house: John, Patsy and Burke.
There are 3 voices believed to be heard on the call: a man's voice, and 2 other voices that sound a lot more similar, like a woman and/or a young boy.

There's only one man in the house so it has to be John. It appears the voice of Burke says something like "What did you find?" and then John says something like "We're not speaking to you".

That's very standoffish, like there's a clear division. 'We' are not speaking to 'you'. If Burke is the 'you', then the 'we' could only mean John and Patsy. Why is there this division when they should be united against the person who wrote the ransom note, and likely took their daughter/sister? If what has been interpreted from that enhanced call is correct, it appears that John and Patsy believe Burke did it.
Yes, I didn't mention that because it's supposedly been refuted. Does anyone know if this is genuine?
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In his almost too revealing AMA, Boulder police chief Mark Beckner confirms that he hears something similar. It's a great read, he seems very skeptical of any outside party being involved...


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The words are difficult to hear and some claim they cannot hear them. After listening to the tape many times, I can tell you that I can hear what sounds like voices saying those words.
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I do not hear anything remotely close to what people have said they've heard at the end of the 911 call. I think it's just white noise or static and the human brain is filling in gaps to make it sound like sentences. And I think Patsy was responsible for her death.
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I do not hear anything remotely close to what people have said they've heard at the end of the 911 call. I think it's just white noise or static and the human brain is filling in gaps to make it sound like sentences. And I think Patsy was responsible for her death.
Yeah, I have an open mind about this but I hear nothing. I can’t believe anyone can say they can clearly hear those words.
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Regardless of what may have been said or done, I do believe both John and Patsy to be culpable not only in the coverup of JonBenét's death but directly for her death by not getting help for Burke when it was evident for a long while that he had these problems. This was not just a matter of an accident when he snapped once. He seems to have either learned his lesson or received help or both, as there are many cases of true sociopaths where the parents repeatedly jumped up and down screaming for help and nothing was taken seriously by any professionals or authorities until the juvenile sociopath killed somebody. It's quite possible Burke resented only his sister and once she was gone he felt things were fine...he was sure having a good laugh over getting away with it on Dr. Phil! It's also possible as some have suggested that Patsy was responsible for JonBenét's death, that Burke only wounded her, seriously and perhaps mortally, and Patsy choked the life out of her with her overblown fake kidnapping scenario, as whatever was in JonBenét's stomach was digested for at least an hour.

Do I believe that John, Burke, Patsy's sister, and other relatives such as John's older children, know the complete truth and are withholding it from the public, therefore becoming accessories after the fact of murder, failure to report a death, abuse of a corpse, and whatever other crimes were committed? Yes, I do, 100%! Our only hope is that someone leaves a deathbed confession.
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