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Old 08-05-2016, 04:57 AM   #1
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Default Why did they change Mike so much between Season 1 and 2?

You could tell he was probably conservative leaning, but he wasn't obnoxious about his politics. He was well educated and well traveled and cultured and was genuinely a great husband and father who would help with things around the house like doing the laundry without any fuss. All in all, Mike Baxter was a decidedly well rounded and complex person. I thought that Mike seemed more like a real character in Season 1. He wasn't a political cartoon.

But something clearly happened between Season 1 and 2, because a lot of these characteristics seemed to disappear. It's like they tried to turn him into Archie Bunker. He suddenly had the political knowledge one gets from scanning bad headlines, he doesn't seem as smart anymore. He's more obnoxious and makes blatantly racist (saying the Laraby's are going to bring over malt liquor) and sexist (saying that a man sitting in a chair while a woman works is the way things should be) comments.

Whereas Mike in Season 1 challenged the image of what some people see a Midwestern conservative man as (educated, cultured, genuinely loving to his family), Mike in Season 2 plays into all the bad stereotypes of what people think of as the conservative Midwestern man (racist, sexist, oblivious, obnoxious). He no longer seems to care or talk about his great adventures traveling the world and absorbing different cultures. He's just been reduced to the over the top political joke who puts 50 Romney signs in his yard and skits shouts "Nobama" and "Hellary" all day.
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I haven't noticed any difference.

God bless you always!!!

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P.S. I am guessing that the reason why he is so annoying with his politics is because everyone else is too. When one opinion is put out there, what do you think will be put out there next? .....Another opinion.
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I haven't noticed any difference.

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P.S. I am guessing that the reason why he is so annoying with his politics is because everyone else is too. When one opinion is put out there, what do you think will be put out there next? .....Another opinion.
If you go back and watch the first season, it was the typical family sitcom with very mild situations and no political stuff. It was actually kind of an abrupt switch if like me, you watched the last episode of the first season and then immediately afterwards watched the first episode of the second season.

That is part of why Alexander Krosney was fired and replaced with Amanda Fuller. It was decided to go in a different direction and she didn't like it.
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I haven't noticed any difference.

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P.S. I am guessing that the reason why he is so annoying with his politics is because everyone else is too. When one opinion is put out there, what do you think will be put out there next? .....Another opinion.
Right leaning comedy like that usually consists of jokes about how dumb the government is and how cool guns are. It’s just plain boring, stale, cliched and predictable.

Take a look instead at Parks & Recreations for a better idea of handling that sort of thing. The Ron Swanson character worked because he was the stereotypical libertarian, who also had hardcore Democrat Leslie Knope to play off of. And they still at the end of the day, respected the hell out of each other.

Tim Allen on the other hand, occasionally added some liberal dweeb as a straw-man, who always lost because Tim knew about the “good ole days”. In essence, Tim had to have give himself some sort of hero complex on LMS.

Maybe his wife played by Nancy Travis, should have been a MASSIVE character to play off and she never was. If anything, Tim needed a Democrat who would win every once in a while and not just be a joke.

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If you go back and watch the first season, it was the typical family sitcom with very mild situations and no political stuff. It was actually kind of an abrupt switch if like me, you watched the last episode of the first season and then immediately afterwards watched the first episode of the second season.

That is part of why Alexander Krosney was fired and replaced with Amanda Fuller. It was decided to go in a different direction and she didn't like it.
Tim Allen for a lack of a better word, seemed to envision Last Man Standing as All in the Family 2.0 if we were supposed to be "laughing with" Archie Bunker instead of "laughing at him" (which was Norman Lear's intent).
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(racist, sexist, oblivious, obnoxious)
I can only agree with that statement.
I just started with season 2 and i must say im a little shocked about that show, partly already in season 1. I find it surprising, that it was OK, to air such a controversial show. I mean all that obama-bashing and all the stuff mentioned above. I'm not even involved in US politics, since im not live there, but that is quite odd to see - also the open advertising for Romney.
Once he sayd "Mankind is at top of the food-chain, and as a american were even at the summit". That really upset me.
It's almost like it upsets more, than it makes laugh.
I have only 4 seasons and i guess i won't continue.
In "Home Improvement" he was way more funny, why did he change so much ?

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I don't know how much merit this has, but I've read the suggestion that in the time spent in between "hitting it big" with Home Improvement and now with Last Man Standing, Tim Allen has spent less and less time honing his craft. In other words, he pretty much forgot how to be funny as he was in his previous roles like Home Improvement and Toy Story. On Last Man Standing, Tim Allen isn't really so much "acting" as he is simply spewing forth his own political beliefs. And yet, it’s supposed to be funny when he does this. I suppose on the show, he just sensationalizes it more than it is in reality what he’s said.
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