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Old 02-06-2017, 02:13 AM   #31
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227 started losing steam after season 3. Amen was getting stale midway through season 4
I actually like season three to five as favorites especially season four.
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No. I'm not kidding. Would you rather me lie? Season five is one of my favorites. No, things weren't perfect. Some episodes were not the greatest but there were still some great episodes. Some people may not like it while some, like myself, do.
'Come The Revolution' in S5 was my favorite episode from that season. The dance-off between Calvin and Travis was classic.
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I had the chance to binge-watch S5 of Amen and it's been years since I seen the episodes together like that. I caught them here and there when it was in syndication. The show definitely changed in the last season and you could tell that the Fresh Prince was ushering in a new era of NBC as they wanted more urban themes to capture younger people. Clarence So Fine was like Amen's answer to Will Smith and Deacon Frye was the proverbial Uncle Phil. MC Hammer even guest starred in that season. When you look at Amen in S1-S4, the church was the central focus of the show. In S5, it became more about the lives of Thelma, Rueben, Deacon, and Clarence. Cassietta left as she never had a storyline revolving around here and it seemed like no one noticed she was gone, lol.

Shows like Fresh Prince, A Different World, Blossom, In The House, Out All Night, Rhythm and Blues, Brotherly Love, and others were attempts to pull in young professionals and a few of them lasted a few seasons and others were short lived. This is when NBC and Fox began to fight over viewers.
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In Part 2 of Sherman Hemsley's Interview on Youtube he was asked why Amen was cancelled and said

"Because it was Johnny Carson Show and since he was leaving NBC that year he just took everything with him included the show"


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Apparently, Carson specifically stated that he wanted David Letterman for the Tonight Show spot on NBC. He was not fond of Jay Leno despite Leno's success on his off nights. Leno and his team essentially got Carson ousted from the show. He was supposed to retire in 1993 but NBC had him pushed out a year earlier. Carson was so devastated over how the network treated him that he refused to have anything to do with them ever again. He had a big production company that was producing shows for NBC (such as Amen), and he was supposed to do occasional shows for the network. He severed all ties with them after leaving.
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Eh - not buying the Carson reason. If the show ratings were still really strong, they would have found a way to make it work. Instead, it was #60. It was going to be cancelled regardless of Carson’s status as late-night host. And Carson certainly wouldn’t have willingly put all those people out of work just to nurse a grudge, IMO.

Carson Productions wasn’t that big. They produced two TV successes: Amen and Bloopers. And several bombs. It was a vanity production plate; NBC wouldn’t have worked with them had Carson not been its late-night host. It was built into his deal with NBC that the network had to make a certain number of pilots with him.
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And Carson certainly wouldn’t have willingly put all those people out of work just to nurse a grudge, IMO.
Melissa Rivers would perhaps tell you her mother may have something different to say.
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Eh - not buying the Carson reason. If the show ratings were still really strong, they would have found a way to make it work. Instead, it was #60. It was going to be cancelled regardless of Carson’s status as late-night host. And Carson certainly wouldn’t have willingly put all those people out of work just to nurse a grudge, IMO.

Carson Productions wasn’t that big. They produced two TV successes: Amen and Bloopers. And several bombs. It was a vanity production plate; NBC wouldn’t have worked with them had Carson not been its late-night host. It was built into his deal with NBC that the network had to make a certain number of pilots with him.
I agree with TV Guy, all the evidence suggests the series had run its course and was cancelled because of declining ratings. If anything, it was probably given a 5th season to get the series to 100 episodes (finishing with 110 episodes), which is a magic number when it comes to syndication. In it's first two seasons, Amen occupied the 9:30 pm Saturday time slot, with top 5 smash "The Golden Girls" as the 9:00 pm lead in. The show did very well holding most of that series audience, but in season 3 the show was moved to 8:30, with the fading 227 as the 8:00 pm lead in, the Amen audience began to drop. Season 4 the bottom dropped out for both 227 and Amen, 227 was cancelled and Amen was renewed, but was not on the fall schedule. The series was slotted at 8pm when it finally returned in November, but the ratings continued downhill and the show was cancelled.
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It's kind of surprising "227" and "Amen" started going down in the ratings in '87-'88, especially when they were paired up with each other for an hour block.
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It's kind of surprising "227" and "Amen" started going down in the ratings in '87-'88, especially when they were paired up with each other for an hour block.
Amen had surprisingly good ratings to be a saturday night slot
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Amen had surprisingly good ratings to be a saturday night slot
That shouldn't be surprising. Saturday night was a BIG TV night in the '80s, at least for NBC.
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That shouldn't be surprising. Saturday night was a BIG TV night in the '80s, at least for NBC.
I think it mostly had to do with the famillar faces on the show, Clifton Davis, the main who played Riley and of course sherman hemsley
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I think it mostly had to do with the famillar faces on the show, Clifton Davis, the main who played Riley and of course sherman hemsley
Well, there was the whole Saturday night line-up. "The Golden Girls" was a runaway smash, and a lot of the '80s Saturday night shows in that line-up did well.
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