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SageSlowdive · 06-06-2010, 08:46 PM

Hmmm...after reading a little bit, I wonder if there was a female accomplice who sort of lured the women in...anyone feeling this?

Guardian · 06-07-2010, 05:34 AM

How so? Just to put them at ease? That isn't the general MO of a serial killer/rapist. Rarely would there be an accomplice much less a woman accomplice. Not impossible I suppose, just doesn't seem likely.

Hambone2421 · 06-07-2010, 09:41 AM

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How so? Just to put them at ease? That isn't the general MO of a serial killer/rapist. Rarely would there be an accomplice much less a woman accomplice. Not impossible I suppose, just doesn't seem likely.

I agree. Sure,there are people out there that would feel reassured if a woman was there but there are also people who wouldn't think twice about it. The people that wouldn't think twice are the ones that were targeted and killed, most likely.

dynoguy88 · 06-07-2010, 10:34 AM

This took place in 1982. A very different time. Homicides were nonexistent in the area. Everyone knew each other. Nobody locked their doors and hitchhiking was done by the majority of the public who didn't have a car. It was second nature to get rides with strangers. Again, this was just a very different time.

It's possible Annette may have been a little too trusting with who she hitched a ride with. She was younger, just 21 years old, and probably easier to subdue. Bobbie was a little older, 29 years old, married and by all accounts, was very scrappy in nature. Despite her small size, if you cornered her, she wouldn't go down without a fight. And that was proven the night she was killed. She used her king ring to stab her attacker and he bled all over her mittens.

SageSlowdive · 06-07-2010, 12:54 PM

Uh, Annette was last seen with an unknown female, no one had even seen....did everyone forget this?

lilmissd · 06-07-2010, 02:37 PM

Yes. That is a well known fact. But according to eyewitness statements Annette talked to the woman who reminded her to buy cigarettes. She seemed to be friendly with her and knew her, and the authorities believe that this woman had nothing to do with her disapperance/murder, they just want her for questioning as to what she may have seen that day.

dynoguy88 · 06-07-2010, 05:35 PM

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Yes. That is a well known fact. But according to eyewitness statements Annette talked to the woman who reminded her to buy cigarettes. She seemed to be friendly with her and knew her, and the authorities believe that this woman had nothing to do with her disapperance/murder, they just want her for questioning as to what she may have seen that day.

Exactly. Although I do find it pretty weird that here it is 28 years later and police STILL have no idea who this woman is. She knew Annette well enough to know what brand of cigarettes she smoked yet her identity remains a mystery even after all these years.

Mastermind · 06-07-2010, 06:47 PM

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Hmmm...after reading a little bit, I wonder if there was a female accomplice who sort of lured the women in...anyone feeling this?

1. I don;t know that the killer necessarily has to use a lure. Apparently women were already comfortable hitching rides with strange men in the area. Not like the killer was doing anything out of the ordinary.

2. I would argue a lure might hurt his chances. Women might think that he is some sort of swinger looking for a threesome.

slasherman · 06-08-2010, 10:50 AM

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Women might think that he is some sort of swinger looking for a threesome.

Don't bring your personal life into this...

Anyway my theory is still:
- One killer
- Two killings because the first rape attempt failed
- The killer probably a person on vacation in the area
- Probably not a serial killer

I cannot see why people think this killer is a sadistic killer and a serial killer. There is no sign of sadistic behavior and the killings seems more like a act of incidental panic. When he had killed the first one he had nothing to lose by killing the second. This is often seen when a person is on a rampage.

Mastermind · 06-08-2010, 11:36 AM

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Anyway my theory is still:
- One killer
- Two killings because the first rape attempt failed
- The killer probably a person on vacation in the area
- Probably not a serial killer

He may be a serial rapist, though.

Not all rapes get reported.

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There is no sign of sadistic behavior and the killings seems more like a act of incidental panic

Rape isn't sadistic, enough?

Hambone2421 · 06-08-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slasherman

Don't bring your personal life into this...

Anyway my theory is still:
- One killer
- Two killings because the first rape attempt failed
- The killer probably a person on vacation in the area
- Probably not a serial killer

I cannot see why people think this killer is a sadistic killer and a serial killer. There is no sign of sadistic behavior and the killings seems more like a act of incidental panic. When he had killed the first one he had nothing to lose by killing the second. This is often seen when a person is on a rampage.

The fact that the killer killed someone is sadistic enough for me, but I see your point.

I agree though that it wasn't a serial killer, but more of a spree killer. If more murders are confirmed to be from this person, then I would agree that it is a serial killer.

slasherman · 06-09-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

Rape isn't sadistic, enough?

Rape has nothing to do with sadism but a rapist can be a sadist. It's a big difference.
Luckily very few people are sadists...

Mastermind · 06-10-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind
Rape isn't sadistic, enough?
Rape has nothing to do with sadism but a rapist can be a sadist. It's a big difference.
Luckily very few people are sadists...

People use rape to torture and humiliate people all the time.

MegtheEgg86 · 06-10-2010, 05:04 PM

The DA responsible for the case in Colorado was seeking information a while back on a "couple of brothers" who owned a van and lived in the area at the time. What does everyone think of the possibility that two different men launched attacks on Annette and Bobbie Jo?

slasherman · 06-11-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

The DA responsible for the case in Colorado was seeking information a while back on a "couple of brothers" who owned a van and lived in the area at the time. What does everyone think of the possibility that two different men launched attacks on Annette and Bobbie Jo?

The sock pretty much dismisses that possibility. They where also shot by the same gun if I remember correctly....

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06-06-2010, 08:46 PM	#46
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 546	Hmmm...after reading a little bit, I wonder if there was a female accomplice who sort of lured the women in...anyone feeling this?

06-07-2010, 10:34 AM	#49
dynoguy88 Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2,969	This took place in 1982. A very different time. Homicides were nonexistent in the area. Everyone knew each other. Nobody locked their doors and hitchhiking was done by the majority of the public who didn't have a car. It was second nature to get rides with strangers. Again, this was just a very different time. It's possible Annette may have been a little too trusting with who she hitched a ride with. She was younger, just 21 years old, and probably easier to subdue. Bobbie was a little older, 29 years old, married and by all accounts, was very scrappy in nature. Despite her small size, if you cornered her, she wouldn't go down without a fight. And that was proven the night she was killed. She used her king ring to stab her attacker and he bled all over her mittens.

06-07-2010, 12:54 PM	#50
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 546	Uh, Annette was last seen with an unknown female, no one had even seen....did everyone forget this?

06-07-2010, 02:37 PM	#51
lilmissd Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 28, 2007 Location: MN Posts: 172	Yes. That is a well known fact. But according to eyewitness statements Annette talked to the woman who reminded her to buy cigarettes. She seemed to be friendly with her and knew her, and the authorities believe that this woman had nothing to do with her disapperance/murder, they just want her for questioning as to what she may have seen that day.