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Old 06-12-2013, 01:26 PM   #286
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It's time to get Grover in a room and lay it out real plain for him. Option A) Best case scenario would be life in the can in general population where other inmates would find out that he was in some way involved in the cover up of the murder of two young women and A CHILD. In which case, it's game over for Grover. The inmates in gen pop will "own" him, if you know what I mean. Option B) He can cooperate. He can give up his sister and nephew in exchange for house arrest or some such. After all, Grover is only a minnow. The big fish are Chad and Beverly. I would be fine with Grover even getting immunity from prosecution if it meant life in a maximum security prison for Chad and Beverly. At first, I thought that I would like those two get the lethal injection, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that that would be an easy way out for them. I want them in the joint where they must live out there lives as known killers of two women and a child. That is the only real punishment that fits this crime. Although, if they got sentenced to the needle, I'd be fine with that too.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:37 PM   #287
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So what is trghe reason the property was not searched? Weren't Ida,Beverly and Chad suspects at the time?
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #288
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So what is trghe reason the property was not searched? Weren't Ida,Beverly and Chad suspects at the time?
Ida, Beverly, and Chad were suspects at the time, and Beverly was the last person known to be with them, but that doesn't automatically amount to probably cause for a search of the property. And, I don't believe that the recently dug (and/or obviously recently filled in) hole would constitute probable cause for a search in and of itself. I also believe there was a lack of impetus for local LE to pursue this case, and so they weren't aggressively pursuing a search. I do believe that even if the combined facts of the Noes being the last ones with them and the hole digging around that time weren't probable cause in and of themselves, a little work on the part of the local LE could have unearthed enough additional evidence to warrant a search of the property.

I will say that Cheverda (Chad, Beverly, Ida) were incredibly cunning on one point. They didn't commit the murders until the end of the visit and allowed Wendy to call Leon to tell him she was on the way home. This placed a huge constraint on their timeline as it meant Leon would start to get suspicious within as little as 2 hours from the earliest possible murder time (given the approximate drive time between the two locations). While this helped establish the timeline and their story about driving Wendy home and stopping at Wal-mart (despite the obvious holes about how far they were able to go in the amount of time that they did), it did restrict how much time they would have to commit the crimes and dispose of the evidence.
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Ida, Beverly, and Chad were suspects at the time, and Beverly was the last person known to be with them, but that doesn't automatically amount to probably cause for a search of the property. And, I don't believe that the recently dug (and/or obviously recently filled in) hole would constitute probable cause for a search in and of itself. I also believe there was a lack of impetus for local LE to pursue this case, and so they weren't aggressively pursuing a search. I do believe that even if the combined facts of the Noes being the last ones with them and the hole digging around that time weren't probable cause in and of themselves, a little work on the part of the local LE could have unearthed enough additional evidence to warrant a search of the property.

I will say that Cheverda (Chad, Beverly, Ida) were incredibly cunning on one point. They didn't commit the murders until the end of the visit and allowed Wendy to call Leon to tell him she was on the way home. This placed a huge constraint on their timeline as it meant Leon would start to get suspicious within as little as 2 hours from the earliest possible murder time (given the approximate drive time between the two locations). While this helped establish the timeline and their story about driving Wendy home and stopping at Wal-mart (despite the obvious holes about how far they were able to go in the amount of time that they did), it did restrict how much time they would have to commit the crimes and dispose of the evidence.

I guess they will fnd enough evidence now to get them all.
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IMO, Ida's account of the events in her UM interview were a complete lie! I don't believe as the mastermind of this operation that she would allow Beverly to "take her back home" and leave her to her own devices to "take care of these 3 people", by herself and possibly botch the job; it would have taken at least 2 people to subdue these 3 I believe. It was said that Beverly was supposed to meet Chad at a restaurant in Cushing by 7:00, LE stated in the segment that this was virtually impossible with the time frame she gave/had to work with. I don't see how Chad in the very least wouldn't have known about the murders given the situation involved. I don't know if he was there during the killings or not but I believe in my gut that he at LEAST knew what was gonna happen and should have called the proper authorities, but was maybe in fear of retaliation from his mother and grandmother? What is everyone else's take on this?
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IMO, Ida's account of the events in her UM interview were a complete lie! I don't believe as the mastermind of this operation that she would allow Beverly to "take her back home" and leave her to her own devices to "take care of these 3 people", by herself and possibly botch the job; it would have taken at least 2 people to subdue these 3 I believe. It was said that Beverly was supposed to meet Chad at a restaurant in Cushing by 7:00, LE stated in the segment that this was virtually impossible with the time frame she gave/had to work with. I don't see how Chad in the very least wouldn't have known about the murders given the situation involved. I don't know if he was there during the killings or not but I believe in my gut that he at LEAST knew what was gonna happen and should have called the proper authorities, but was maybe in fear of retaliation from his mother and grandmother? What is everyone else's take on this?

i would not be suprised if chad was there. he did brag about doing it.
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Its too bad the WalMart store where Beverly "supposedly" dropped off Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa didnt have an exterior camera to see if there was 3 women in the parking lot that matched their descriptions that day. As to what another poster said on here, "the police seem to being looking the other way as to the crimes that the Noe family has committed", I certainly agree with that statement. The guy that was murdered in 1980, the murders of Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa and the arson charge (forgot what year that was- didnt they serve time for that crime?) Two very BOLD things that stand out to me that the Noe family committed the murders of Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa are Chad's drunken statement about killing the 3 ladies and having the bodies being discovered on the mother's property. When Beverly recently gave that TV interview about being "shocked" that the bodies were found where they were, I am surprised a lie so big like that was able to escape the gaps between that old hags crooked teeth. I think maybe that Grover guy played a part also because he sabatoged his wiring when talking.
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I wish there was more information available about the murder of John Rausin. There is nothing online other than a couple short links.

What we do know: He was murdered in 1980, but it was a full three years later, in May 1983, that Ida and her daughter Deborah were arrested and convicted of first degree murder.

How, why and when their convictions were overturned, we don't know. Not even a local news channel mentioned any of these things.

If it took 3 years to build a case, arrest and convict Ida and Deborah of murder, I wonder when and what explanation was given for letting them go.
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IMO, Ida's account of the events in her UM interview were a complete lie! I don't believe as the mastermind of this operation that she would allow Beverly to "take her back home" and leave her to her own devices to "take care of these 3 people", by herself and possibly botch the job; it would have taken at least 2 people to subdue these 3 I believe. It was said that Beverly was supposed to meet Chad at a restaurant in Cushing by 7:00, LE stated in the segment that this was virtually impossible with the time frame she gave/had to work with. I don't see how Chad in the very least wouldn't have known about the murders given the situation involved. I don't know if he was there during the killings or not but I believe in my gut that he at LEAST knew what was gonna happen and should have called the proper authorities, but was maybe in fear of retaliation from his mother and grandmother? What is everyone else's take on this?
I think bev asked or told chad to commit the actual murders (he did brag about it),and she and ida planned the rest.I do think chad knew where the bodies were buried,if they were killed in another location,since he did say no one would ever find them.
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I think bev asked or told chad to commit the actual murders (he did brag about it),and she and ida planned the rest.I do think chad knew where the bodies were buried,if they were killed in another location,since he did say no one would ever find them.
All of the suspects (Chad, Beverly, and Ida) all agree that Beverly and Ida took Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa away from Chad's residence to ride back home. Wendy placed a phone call to her husband Leon that confirmed this. Unless Beverly breaks down and confesses (unlikely) that Chad was the one that murdered them, Chad has the perfect alibi. No one says Chad accompanied them to drive them home, and Beverly admits she was the last person seen with them alive. Chad may be charged as an accessory, but I don't think he'll get nailed for the actual murders.
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I''m interested in what they find out about those weapons buried with the bodies.
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All of the suspects (Chad, Beverly, and Ida) all agree that Beverly and Ida took Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa away from Chad's residence to ride back home. Wendy placed a phone call to her husband Leon that confirmed this. Unless Beverly breaks down and confesses (unlikely) that Chad was the one that murdered them, Chad has the perfect alibi. No one says Chad accompanied them to drive them home, and Beverly admits she was the last person seen with them alive. Chad may be charged as an accessory, but I don't think he'll get nailed for the actual murders.
I know but I'm only stating what I *think happened.Yes,certainly proving it will be a whole other story!
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I know but I'm only stating what I *think happened.Yes,certainly proving it will be a whole other story!
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate for Chad or anything. I think he was in on planning their deaths. I just don't know if he was the actual triggerman or not. My best guess would be Ida and/or Beverly. Ida definitely, since she was implicated in another murder about ten years prior to Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia's.
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Well there still know new news on this. I wonder how long it will be before there is news on the case again? And I just noticed it should be Wendy ,Cynthia and Renee. Lisa apperently went buy her middle name Renee. Unsolved Mysteries also refurred to her by Renee.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate for Chad or anything. I think he was in on planning their deaths. I just don't know if he was the actual triggerman or not. My best guess would be Ida and/or Beverly. Ida definitely, since she was implicated in another murder about ten years prior to Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia's.
good thought.
on that note,i wonder what the forensics are on that.were the 3 of them shot in the same area of the head as the first murder? was the weapon of a similar type? where was the first victim's body taken,if it was? was it bound w duct tape or anything?or any other similarities that might be there.
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