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Old 09-11-2019, 09:19 AM   #61
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If Dale checked in every hour WHILE the crime was being committed then he would be looked at as inept or in on it. I think Dale set this up with him being alive and returning to the plant in mind, but he was killed instead. He didn't want to let on he was an accomplice, so he didn't check in to make it seem like he was being held up somewhere, this would not only let him profit off the platinum, but let him return to his job without him being seen as a suspect.

This is why I think that it's a huge possibility that Dale was in on it, but was double-crossed at some point. If he was in the bag then it was so he could be hidden from the cameras while being pushed around giving instructions to the masked perp without being seen as being an accomplice on camera. Hiding in plain sight so to speak. It's weird how the perp knew where everything was but still took a long time to get out. He seemed kind of lost wandering around. Wouldn't be surprised if he was being coached and told where things were while he was trying to look for them.

Think about set up this seems, like they purposely were seen on camera together, then we never saw Dale on camera again. This would make sense as it would seem like Dale was in trouble or incapacitated while the masked burglar was getting the platinum. I wouldn't be surprised if Dale was in the bag fully alert the entire time and was killed at another location after the heist.
This would also fit with Dale not being involved with the heist and just cooperating with the intruder so he didn't kill him.
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This would also fit with Dale not being involved with the heist and just cooperating with the intruder so he didn't kill him.
Perhaps, but you have several things to consider. The perp literally came just as Dale got to work, which is quite suspicious. Why is the perp letting Dale roam around freely in which Dale met him at the back of the plant?

The biggest point is if Dale was indeed instructing him from inside the bag, then that likely means that this person wasn't an employee, and if he wasn't an employee and needing coaching then how did he know about the obscure location of the platinum to begin with? cough*Dale*cough

It doesn't make sense for the burglar to show up not knowing how to cut the platinum and where it's located only for Dale to volunteer to stuff himself inside a bag and give him instructions.

Dale was an on the fritz security guard who had been demoted with tons of debt, and he was by himself late at night in a dying plant that had thousands of dollars worth of platinum. Let's be honest, if I was in Dale's shoes that would seem like a good heist, especially if I was able to keep my job after.
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I have seen multiple sources talk about how the guards were supposed to call in every hour to report, but because there was a new employee working that night, Dale's absence went unnoticed. What's odd though is that some of the articles say that Dale did in fact call in at midnight, but others say that he was supposed to check in at midnight but failed to do so. One article written 3 years after his disappearance has the line, "A check of the clock records showed Kerstetter hadn't made his rounds of the plant since midnight."

I guess what I'm getting at is that if the timestamps on the released footage as well as the allegation that Dale phoned in at midnight are accurate, that would be a huge break into determining whether or not Dale was involved with the theft. Because if he did in fact interact with this masked man at 10:45 p.m., and then phone in (or clock in) to check in at midnight, he almost certainly would have to have been involved.
If there was a new employee working that night, and Dale didn't check-in, then I wonder if the night of the heist was chosen for that reason?

If Dale knew there was going to be someone new at the security place he had to check-in to, then it's possible that he knew that the person wouldn't be up to protocol and chose that night to steal the platinum as that person would be less savvy to phone in an emergency, as the old security person would.
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Just wanted to echo the thanks to Guardian (and others) for all the time and work put into this. It was very much appreciated.

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If there was a new employee working that night, and Dale didn't check-in, then I wonder if the night of the heist was chosen for that reason?

If Dale knew there was going to be someone new at the security place he had to check-in to, then it's possible that he knew that the person wouldn't be up to protocol and chose that night to steal the platinum as that person would be less savvy to phone in an emergency, as the old security person would.
But who took the call? If it was the new guard he wouldn't know if it was Kerstetter's voice or not. Anyone could have called to check in claiming they were Dale. It could have been the intruder for all he knew.
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But who took the call? If it was the new guard he wouldn't know if it was Kerstetter's voice or not. Anyone could have called to check in claiming they were Dale. It could have been the intruder for all he knew.
It's not who's voice that matters, it's the fact that if no one at Corning doesn't phone-in then security is supposed to call the police to the premises.
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It's not who's voice that matters, it's the fact that if no one at Corning doesn't phone-in then security is supposed to call the police to the premises.
If Dale was involved, he was leaving an awful lot up to chance. The intruder was in the building for approximately 2 hours. How would Dale have known that the person on call that night wouldn't have alerted the authorities that he wasn't checking in?
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If Dale was involved, he was leaving an awful lot up to chance. The intruder was in the building for approximately 2 hours. How would Dale have known that the person on call that night wouldn't have alerted the authorities that he wasn't checking in?
Excellent point. I'm not sure honestly, unless Dale knew the company had a history of not calling in when they were supposed to and figured they wouldn't call in on time. I mean the police were only called when Dale's co-worker came in and saw him missing, so maybe Dale knew the company was negligent and took advantage of it.

I find it weird that the intruder took 2 hours. If this was a current/ex-employee I figure it should've took them half the time to accomplish this. You have to be relaxed in order to take this long, so I wonder if Dale assured his accomplice that no one would be there until later so they didn't rush?
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Excellent point. I'm not sure honestly, unless Dale knew the company had a history of not calling in when they were supposed to and figured they wouldn't call in on time. I mean the police were only called when Dale's co-worker came in and saw him missing, so maybe Dale knew the company was negligent and took advantage of it.

I find it weird that the intruder took 2 hours. If this was a current/ex-employee I figure it should've took them half the time to accomplish this. You have to be relaxed in order to take this long, so I wonder if Dale assured his accomplice that no one would be there until later so they didn't rush?
What seems weird to me is that since this took approximately 2 hours to pull off, if Dale was involved, why not help the intruder to speed up the process? He's never seen on any of the footage after the intruder is seen walking with him (which is shortly after the arrival of the intruder). I don't think Dale was involved, but I don't think he put up much resistance to the intruder.
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What seems weird to me is that since this took approximately 2 hours to pull off, if Dale was involved, why not help the intruder to speed up the process? He's never seen on any of the footage after the intruder is seen walking with him (which is shortly after the arrival of the intruder). I don't think Dale was involved, but I don't think he put up much resistance to the intruder.
Because of the cameras. There were 3 cameras around the plant, and Dale was obviously aware of the cameras by looking directly into one. If Dale was trying to play the role of the victim, then him being seen once on camera and never again is the perfect plan, especially if he was planning on returning to work.

That's why I think Dale was alive inside the bag on the dolly and was giving instructions to the intruder, which is why it took 2 hours, but no signs of foul play was found in the plant. I think Dale was hiding in plain sight giving instructions, but didn't want to be seen on camera anymore after being seen with the intruder the first time.
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If Dale was murdered, where would that murder have taken place for there to be no evidence of it being found?
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If Dale was murdered, where would that murder have taken place for there to be no evidence of it being found?
Outside of the plant somewhere, IF he was murdered. I don't believe he was murdered inside the plant as there's no signs of foul play, and it would've been a hassle for the intruder to not only have to deal with the pipe, but also moving a dead body around
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