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Old 01-08-2009, 03:21 PM   #166
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Did you notice how they edited out Dorothy's grin and almost laugh after Bill said he wasn't going to move because of a "kook"? I think they also didn't mention the sketch of the guy in the story at all until the "if you have any information contact us at unsolved.com" part. When they said that, they showed the sketch but they didn't mention it at all.
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I looked for her to smirk or laugh when Mr. Wacker was speaking and she didn't. I don't like it when they edit the old episodes like that before reairing them. It goofs everything up.

I did notice that during the "stakeout", the ladies in the house heard the thump, thump, thump sound just as the men were finishing up with watching the house, and should have been able to see someone placing that note on the front porch.

I'm wondering if the thump, thump, thump was the sound of someone throwing the rock (with the note attached) onto their porch, from maybe the house next door, or a hiding spot in the yard next door, etc. It seems to me that it would explain the thumping noise, and why the men didn't see a person place the note on the porch, if it really was attached to a rock, as shown in the reenactment.

Also, when they showed one of the real notes, it said something about getting even. Someone did have a grudge against the Wackers. "Getting even" means they did have enemy whether they realized it or not. It could have been an enemy that had a real or imagined reason to be mad at them.

As I watched the most brutal attack reenactment, where Mrs. Wacker was taking her dog outside to use the bathroom, that made me wonder if perhaps that could even be a motive. Were let letting their doggie go potty on their neighbor's lawn?

When I was a kid, we had a neighbor who actually trained his two dogs to go in our yard instead of their own. My dad would retaliate by taking the muffler off an old lawn mower, filling it up with gas, parking it next to the mutual property line, and letting sit there and run all day, full blast. Neighbors do really weird things to each other.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:15 PM   #168
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To me, this seems to be a case where Occam's Razor should apply: from the positioning of the house, it's hard to see how a perp could have just disappeared, on foot, without anyone noticing anything unusual, given both what appears to be a quiet neighborhood and isolated enough to provide a lack of cover. To me, this suggests there was no perp.

While this requires one of both of the Wackers to be somewhat disturbed (Munhausen's or Munhausen's-by-proxy, likely), why is this any less problematic then random guesses at motive - there was no evidence presented of any "enemy" (and presumably, the police have investigated this angle), only one corroborated event (that is, all but the night of "survaillance" is on the Wackers' word alone that it ever happened as described), and no rationale given as to why anyone would want what certainly appears to be unremarkable property... it's certainly possible that one or more events did actually happen and the rest was staged, or that there was some "kook" who got his kicks harassing a random couple, but it just all seems unlikely to me.
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I saw this episode again today. Like most of you, I've seen it a dozen times. But since I've been introduced to this site I decided to really pay close attention to the segment. I have no idea. It just doesn't seem to have any real exclamation. Although, I do like the point of it being somehow related to the property.
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This one with the Wackers was a head scratcher and although I am usually a big fan of "The Husband Did It" I don't think Mr. Wacker was messing with his wife. I do think it was either a stranger just getting his jollies or a disgruntled neighbor. No offense to the elderly but sometimes they can hold a grudge like no otehr and myabe a neighbor was pissed or something.

When they were doing their homemade "stakeout" I though oh Jesus Mary and Joseph - someone is going to shoot someone else! And not in a good way!
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What leans me toward this being a possible hoax is :

1. None of the Wackers were killed.
2. No real intenive damage to the property. House was ransacked and vandalized, but not in a serious way that was beyond repair. House was not bur
3. Nothing ever happened to the people helping them with the stakeout, not even a threatening letter to them.
4. The terror campaign ended as suddenly as it began when the case gained publicity
5. No police leads of ANY kind.
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If Mrs Wacker was suffering Munhausen's-by-proxy. I wonder if Mr. Wacker would simply go along with the act out of genuine concern over his wife or pure delusion that his wife

Perhaps Mr. Wacker couldn't cope with the fact that his wife was loosing her mind and it seemed easier to believe that an unseen assailant was attacking them.
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What leans me toward this being a possible hoax is :

1. None of the Wackers were killed.
2. No real intenive damage to the property. House was ransacked and vandalized, but not in a serious way that was beyond repair. House was not bur
3. Nothing ever happened to the people helping them with the stakeout, not even a threatening letter to them.
4. The terror campaign ended as suddenly as it began when the case gained publicity
5. No police leads of ANY kind.
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If Mrs Wacker was suffering Munhausen's-by-proxy. I wonder if Mr. Wacker would simply go along with the act out of genuine concern over his wife or pure delusion that his wife

Perhaps Mr. Wacker couldn't cope with the fact that his wife was loosing her mind and it seemed easier to believe that an unseen assailant was attacking them.
I use to feel that way about the Manhausen-by-proxy, but what about the attack on Mrs. Wacker?
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I have kind of a nitpicky question on Mrs. Wacker's "skull lacerations" as they are calling them on the program.

According to the dictionary, lacerations are cuts, jagged tears, torn ragged wounds, torn tissue, etc.

In other words, a laceration is a wound that opens the flesh, not the bone of the skull.

So if she was beaten about the head in the worst of the two attacks, did she suffer SCALP lacerations? Or skull fractures? I'm thinking that it's physically impossible for her to have sustained "skull lacerations" as they stated in the program, because the skull is bone and lacerations would have to be cuts to the flesh, not the bone.

I think by calling them "skull lacerations" rather than "cuts to her scalp or forehead" or whatever, they may be trying to make the second attack on Mrs. Wacker sound more severe than it actually was. (No disrespect meant to the victim at all. Obviously, a head wound should be taken seriously. But I think the words used here may have been chosen simply for their dramatic effect.)
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The reason the last few posts have been deleted:

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This one with the Wackers was a head scratcher and although I am usually a big fan of "The Husband Did It" I don't think Mr. Wacker was messing with his wife.
I don't think he was, either. I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm not sure that Mr. Wacker is smart enough to do those things without getting caught.
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Yeah, Mr/ Wacker did not seem like the brightest bulb out there. And he was a little too excited running around with a gun.

But I think they are being harassed by a disgruntled neighbor. Who really knows?
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I have been reading this entire thread and there are some great opinions here. They had this episode on this morning and I watched it closely. Every possible option here has been discussed. I don't really have anything to add without being repitious of prior posts so will just say I am on the fence and have not really drawn any conclusions. This is my favorite UM case as I watched the original episode when UM first aired it. It has always fascinated me.

Not to say they had anything to do with it but.... I read a non-fiction book called "Fly Away Little Girl" after this segment aired and it does make you wonder. The woman behind the book was on Oprah and she had no idea she was doing it to herself. It was totally creepy. At first I was convinced she did have a stalker. She was really good at what she was (unknowingly) doing to herself.
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I've seen this episode a number of times and still get creeped out about the harrassment going on for a decade.

The wife was hit twice by someone. Remember, a man came to her door to use the phone. I wonder if he had anything to do with the ensuing stalking or maybe some neighborhood weirdo read about the attack and just continued on for kicks.

I don't believe the husband had anything to do with this case. I definitely believe it was someone living close by who could see the police cars and lights and know who was in or out of the house. Nutty.
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I don't believe the husband had anything to do with this case. I definitely believe it was someone living close by who could see the police cars and lights and know who was in or out of the house. Nutty.
The problem with that theory is that if it was the neighbors they would have been found by now, its not like they have that many people living within eyeshot of them in that part of the country. Any minor dispute over anything would have been picked up on by the police.

Its not like a neighbor developed a hatred for the Whackers from out of the blue and decided rather than settle this legally or by talking way, lets go terrorize the poor couple right away.

If it was the neighbors there would be a history of conflict that would be obvious to investigators and the Whackers

I think the police first target was the neighbors in the first place and they found nothing.

If there is an assailant, i don;t think he necessarily has to have lived in the neighborhood.

Hell he could simply be camping out in the woods with survival gear and binoculars.
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absolutely nothing in this case makes any sense.

we've talked about the lack of an apparent motive before. but to expand on that, who would devote a decade of their lives to terrorizing an elderly couple with no obvious benefit from it? This person, if they do exist, is going to extraordinary lenghts for no discernable reason. Things were taken from the house, but were returned. Injuries were received, but far from life-threatening. There is the scare them out of their property angle, but why would someone target such an ordinary, run-of-the-mill house in middle class suburbia? And if the purpose was to scare the Wackers off their property, wouldn't the perpetrator let that be known? there is never a 'get out this house' scrawled on the wall or anything of that nature. Not even the Wackers know why they're targeted. The perp just doesn't appear to gain anything out of this.

The composite sketch is just so ordinary looking, and I say that because I don't believe this guy exists. After doing such a good job of hiding, why would he then show up at the Wacker's front door in the middle of the day without any attempt to disguise himself? This just doesn't make sense.
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