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Old 08-11-2006, 06:39 PM   #31
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The weird thing about this case was that Tim McClure went on the show in an effort to clear his name, but if anything, it made him look more guilty.
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:01 PM   #32
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I believe that car she was in was placed there shortly before she was found. I am having a real hard time believing that she sat in that car for 3 days & noone noticed her. Especially in a Casino parking lot.
It certainly couldn't happen in Las Vegas. Not long ago I parked in a lot of a small casino for the purpose of running across the street to make a sports bet. When I returned 15 minutes later there was a big warning sign on my car saying they had taken my license plate number and if it happened again I would be towed.

However, in April I was in Carson City and after touring the capital buildings I was zonked and walked back to my car which I had parked in the middle of the lot outside a midsize casino. There were maybe 20 times as many parking spaces as cars parked there. No other car was within 30 yards of mine. I snacked on some cookies and took a little nap in the great April weather. No one threatened to bother me. No hint of any security walking the lot. I agree three days is strange, but at that point Carson City was even less populated and more simple than now, so I can't discount it.

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CD, I agree with you. I watched the segment on your UM Vol 5 disc. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the cop just rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed like he decided it was Tim, and was determined to go the distance w/ it.

Yes, being w/o wife to gamble for 2 hours is kind of weird, but she was w/ her parents. Lake Tahoe is a bussling town from what I"ve heard. Yeah he was distinctive w/ his mullet from hell and being 6'5", but maybe most of those dance hall people were wasted by the time they all got there.

Lie detectors tests have a roughtly 30% chance of giving off a false positive, in that I mean that one flunks instead of passes. Tim even said so himself. He had a lot swirling through his mind. The fact that he was told to keep his eyes closed was weird.

Okay, the credit card company phone call. No one on either side mentioned checking with the phone calls to and from Terri's house. The number for the credit card company would be on there for the day they were called. If you look carefully on the memo, it doesn't say a day of the week, just a date.

The purse thing. From what Tim said and the detective said, it was just a misunderstanding. The parking lot where his mother was, I totally understand. I had a similar feeling about going to a place that my father died at later in the day. It's just a sense of do not go there. Can't explain it.

He may have been fidgety, but he had to have known that if he did it, someone would have spotted him near his mother's car. To then go on UM, he would have been asking for trouble. Maybe his wife did not want to be interviewed. It is possible.
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Interesting. I still can't decide which way I'm going to swing on this one....

This is kinda random, but does anyone else feel kinda strange about basically trying a person in absentia, based solely on what is discovered through research, reader comments and UM segments? It's fun to speculate, but I can't help but wonder what some of the people we've "convicted" of the crimes (Chad Noe and Paul Polis immediately spring to mind) would think if they were to read it... fftopic:

Yeah, I know that was off-topic, but it just happened to be on my mind at the moment.
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Old 09-13-2006, 03:16 AM   #35
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As I've mentioned before I think he's guilty. Here's a couple of additional things I haven't mentioned before.

Tim supposedly gambling alone on his wedding night seems suspicious to me. Who wouldn't want to be with their wife on their wedding night? Gambling alone would be more of a bachelor party/pre-wedding activity than it would be a wedding night activity. It's almost as if saying, we just got married. Now I want to be apart from you already.

And did anyone else think it was weird that he went on the show to clear his name as opposed to finding, who he claims anyway, is the real killer? As Robert Stack himself mentioned, that was a pretty rare occurence.

However, if there's one thing that plays to Tim's favor, it's his soft-spokenness. That, and being a mama's boy, as mentioned previousy. Those 2 things prevent him from looking 100% guilty. But still, for me, it's in the 90 percentile.

It's funny that you mentioned the in absentia thing, LooksLikeCRicci. I just saw the Wendy Camp segment for the first time on Saturday on CD's um favorites volume 5. I had read a lot about Chad Noe here on the forums and it sounded like he was very guilty. I watched the segment, and I agree with the majority.
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As I've mentioned before I think he's guilty. Here's a couple of additional things I haven't mentioned before.

Tim supposedly gambling alone on his wedding night seems suspicious to me. Who wouldn't want to be with their wife on their wedding night? Gambling alone would be more of a bachelor party/pre-wedding activity than it would be a wedding night activity. It's almost as if saying, we just got married. Now I want to be apart from you already.

And did anyone else think it was weird that he went on the show to clear his name as opposed to finding, who he claims anyway, is the real killer? As Robert Stack himself mentioned, that was a pretty rare occurence.

However, if there's one thing that plays to Tim's favor, it's his soft-spokenness. That, and being a mama's boy, as mentioned previousy. Those 2 things prevent him from looking 100% guilty. But still, for me, it's in the 90 percentile.

It's funny that you mentioned the in absentia thing, LooksLikeCRicci. I just saw the Wendy Camp segment for the first time on Saturday on CD's um favorites volume 5. I had read a lot about Chad Noe here on the forums and it sounded like he was very guilty. I watched the segment, and I agree with the majority.
I dunno about that. It's those quiet ones you have to be wary of, IMO.

He just seemed WEIRD. Everything - his tone, mannerisms, looks, everything. I think he's guilty... the credit card thing really did it for me. And his comments about the lie detector tests were priceless.

And you're right about his only wanting to clear his name and nothing more. He certainly didn't seem to be eager in going after who supposedly did it - assuming he didn't do it, of course.
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Well is McClure guilty? I dont know. This case is so strange and lacks an apperant motive. However at the same time McClure came off as a very odd character so anything is possible. I do agree the way McClure acts makes him seem guilty. However if he was truly guilty do you think he would act that way? McClure might be odd but he is not stupid. I dont know what to think about this. Police arrested him in 1992 I believe but he was released when the D.A. refused to press charges. I still have a hard time believing he killed his mother just for 5 thousand dollars. There must be more to the story than UM let on. As for Chad Noe, yeah the guy needs an injection but he will never get one without the bodies. Some of these cases I think these guys could get convicted without the bodies but I guess most D.A.'s dont want to charge someone then have them get acquitted on the chance that new evidence could come up later. Although I have seen some cases that seemed open and shut end up in surprising acquittals like that Donny guy that probably murdered his sisters in California.
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I still have a hard time believing he killed his mother just for 5 thousand dollars.
Pizza deliveryman Morris Davis (who was profiled on UM) was killed for about $20 or so, so I definitely think that somebody could murder for $5,000. Plus, I believe she took out that insurance policy shortly before she was murdered, which probably wasn't a coincidence. I don't know the circumstances surrounding Tim's wedding, but weddings are usually expensive, and he could have used that to pay it off.

Every time I post on this case, I think of new stuff that makes me believe Tim is guilty. Like this I don't think I've mentioned before: I just find it odd that Tim's responses to questions were basically things like "I don't know" or "I'm not sure how that could have happened." I think if he could come up with some rational, plausible scenarios, I wouldn't have such a hard time believing his story.
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Well Wiseguy I get it that people have killed others for way less money than 5 grand. However usually if a person kills a "loved" one like that they usually kill them for much more money. So while I believe Tim probably is guilty it is far from certain. Sorry I didnt mean to sound like a jerk there. I mean yes people have been killed for sometimes only a few dollars however most of the time those acts are random acts. Usually if someone is going to kill someone they know, especially a family member they usually kill them to get a lot more than 5 grand. Morris Davis I believe was murdered for about 200 hundred dollars and I believe Elmo Florence was paid about 125 dollars to kill T.K. Hardy.
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Also Dwayne McCorkendale, possibly murdered over a lousy $25.
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I'm probably in the minority here but as I've stated before I don't think Tim McClure killed his mother. I think his mother was robbed and murdered (remember her purse wasn't at the scene of the crime). It was outside a casino remember and maybe someone was desperate for some quick cash. Also if you planned on murdering your mother for insurance money why on earth would you choose your wedding day of all days to do it? All the family members and friends didn't seem to think Tim was capable of it either. People make mistakes and I think the lady at the credit card company was mistaken as to the date he called. The question is was Tim a murderer or was he just weird and did some things that some may view as suspicious? No doubt he seemed to dance to the beat of a different drummer. I sent a copy of this segment a few years ago to a man who used to work with Tim and he said that Tim was very nice but weird. That seems to be the consensus.
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Yes, this was my opinion as well. I thought he was probably guilty, although Crystal brings up some good points. Still . . .
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I basically agree with kadrmas15, a lot of you are saying that you could easily see someone being killed for five grand being that other victims profiled on UM were killed for a lot less. The problem with this logic is that all these people were killed by strangers. Killing a random stranger and killing your mother is two very different things. Being that there was no mention of bad blood between Tim and his mother I can't allow in my mind for the money being enough of a motive for Tim to murder his mother.

Unless it was a crime of passion and possibly Tim's mother may have done something to provoke or anger her son regarding the money or whatever other issue it might have been. Then I certainly can see Tim killing his mother, but murdering your own mother in cold blood over that little amount of money as the prime motive? - I just don't see it.
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Sorry to bump..its only 3 yrs old...but i was just watching this segment again and i was thinking... It was his wedding night...maybe his mother had always told him or had told him that as a wedding gift she would give him so much money as a present. Well, he finally is getting married...they are all up at Tahoe, the wedding is over, then Tim asks his mother about this "money" that was supposed to be his wedding gift. She then tells him that she no longer has the money (she lost it gambling, invested it, etc...). He was relying on this money for when he got married, and became enraged at his mother. He may have already purchased things on credit or what not, expecting to get that money from his mother. He then needs to get some sort of monetary compensation, so he knows his mother has that life insurance. In a fit of rage he kills his mother over money...aka...I am your only son I have taken such good care of you and this is how you repay me? etc...

Hopefully that makes sense, just popped into my head as I was watching it..trying to think of why a "mamas boy" would kill his mother.
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I watched this one today...and I have to say I think he's innocent(previously I thought he was guilty but...)

I think the reason why he wouldn't kill her is because it had said in the segment he had lived with his mother when in his 20's off and on...so obviously he depended on her...

If he was going to do her in, why on his wedding night?? (but why gamble with the in-laws on the wedding night? hmmmm)

A lot of evidence points towards his guilt but how many times on UM have we seen all the evidence pointing to someone, and then it turns out to be a random killing...quite a few cases seem to be like that...like that...sammy wheeler case(think that was the name) His girlfriends ex husband was accused, he blamed the wife and the twin brother...turns out it was a random killer. (But ol' Bob Bean(the ex) did look super shifty and my money was on him being the killer)

Also as someone mentioned, if you have gotten away with murder all those years, why bring it up again?

In short he looks super guilty, but I think he's innocent.

edit:hostedbyrobertstack Just read your post...if he did do it...your scenario makes a lot of sense.
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