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Old 08-13-2010, 01:24 PM   #181
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Seemed like a nice guy to me.
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did anyone else think it was weird that Tim would publicly acknowledge that he failed the lie detector tests? That seems really odd to me (not that anything Tim did made sense, LOL!) The only people that really now for sure whether he failed or not would be the person who issued it, and I'm sure law enforcement was informed about it. Why would Tim acknowledge he failed when he didn't see the results? It's almost as if he admitted that he lied during the test.
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did anyone else think it was weird that Tim would publicly acknowledge that he failed the lie detector tests? That seems really odd to me (not that anything Tim did made sense, LOL!) The only people that really now for sure whether he failed or not would be the person who issued it, and I'm sure law enforcement was informed about it. Why would Tim acknowledge he failed when he didn't see the results? It's almost as if he admitted that he lied during the test.
Because if he hadn't, then UM's researchers would have asked law enforcement officials, who would have confirmed that McClure failed? And he would look worse either NOT mentioning that he had taken the test at all - like he had something to hide - or lying about the test itself and claiming he had passed when he hadn't?

Why would you assume Tim hadn't seen or heard about the results?
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Why would you assume Tim hadn't seen or heard about the results?
well, the segment said his eyes were closed during the test. I'm guessing that's why?
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well, the segment said his eyes were closed during the test. I'm guessing that's why?
I'm sure they told him if he passed or not once it was over...
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well, I guess I should clarify what I'm getting at.

most people when they fail a lie detector test, will usually say that it was wrong or the test was not an accurate measure of truth, or something like that. But Tim doesn't do that, instead he claims that the test wasn't administered properly, because they made him close his eyes, and the questions were a minute apart. Admittedly, that does seem a little unusual, but I'm not sure any nefarious conclusions could be drawn from it. In other words, I'm not sure how making him close his eyes and asking him questions a minute apart could be linked together with the test not being administered properly, or forcing him to fail the test.
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well, I guess I should clarify what I'm getting at.

most people when they fail a lie detector test, will usually say that it was wrong or the test was not an accurate measure of truth, or something like that. But Tim doesn't do that, instead he claims that the test wasn't administered properly, because they made him close his eyes, and the questions were a minute apart. Admittedly, that does seem a little unusual, but I'm not sure any nefarious conclusions could be drawn from it. In other words, I'm not sure how making him close his eyes and asking him questions a minute apart could be linked together with the test not being administered properly, or forcing him to fail the test.
Just like any other test, if it's not done or administered properly, then the results are garbage. McClure's point was simply that 'yeah i failed, anyone would, because they didn't give me the test right' He's saying the exact same thing you claim "most people" would say.
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Just like any other test, if it's not done or administered properly, then the results are garbage. McClure's point was simply that 'yeah i failed, anyone would, because they didn't give me the test right' He's saying the exact same thing you claim "most people" would say.
I wonder what he would've said had the test been administered properly (assuming it wasn't) and he'd received the same results. His golly-gee explanation of "yeah, strangely enough, I flunked the test" wouldn't have had any hard basis.

Are any of us even sure that the closing of one's eyes or the administrator waiting a minute between questions isn't a deviation from the standard? I've never had to take a polygraph.
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I wonder what he would've said had the test been administered properly (assuming it wasn't) and he'd received the same results. His golly-gee explanation of "yeah, strangely enough, I flunked the test" wouldn't have had any hard basis.

Are any of us even sure that the closing of one's eyes or the administrator waiting a minute between questions isn't a deviation from the standard? I've never had to take a polygraph.
I suspect it would be, given the stress reactions the test claims to measure, however, I am not an expert on such matters.

Regardless, polygraphs are unreliable enough that his failing (or passing) really isn't determinative of anything.
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Regardless, polygraphs are unreliable enough that his failing (or passing) really isn't determinative of anything.
Exactly.
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RE: Polygraphs

Aren't they completely subjective? I thought that the machine's results are always "read" by the examiner who then determines if deception is indicated.

I don't know anything more than what I've read about them. I thought that the proper way to conduct it is to tell the subject all the questions beforehand so there are no surprises, ask ordinary questions like is your name TracyLynnS to determine a baseline of truth, and to ask only questions with a Yes or No answer.
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Aren't they completely subjective? I thought that the machine's results are always "read" by the examiner who then determines if deception is indicated.

I don't know anything more than what I've read about them. I thought that the proper way to conduct it is to tell the subject all the questions beforehand so there are no surprises, ask ordinary questions like is your name TracyLynnS to determine a baseline of truth, and to ask only questions with a Yes or No answer.
Interpretation is somewhat subjective, yes, but there are standard procedures for administering the test.
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Just like any other test, if it's not done or administered properly, then the results are garbage. McClure's point was simply that 'yeah i failed, anyone would, because they didn't give me the test right' He's saying the exact same thing you claim "most people" would say.
that's not what I was saying.

So egswanso, do you have any explanation as to how making the subject close his eyes and asking questions a minute apart can be classified as the test not being administered properly?
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that's not what I was saying.

So egswanso, do you have any explanation as to how making the subject close his eyes and asking questions a minute apart can be classified as the test not being administered properly?
Sure. Like I said, I'm no expert, but the polygraph measures a few things: breathing patterns, pulse and heart rate, sweating. Making a subject close their eyes is going to effect these: maybe closing their eyes make them relax, maybe it freaks them out because they can't see: either would mess up the baseline and thus mess up results.

Even more so if the time between questions isn't consistent - you're giving the subject time to worry, time to think, time to meditate, time to panic, etc. It's all going to effect the reactions the test measures.

Of course, like I said before, I'm certainly no expert on the tests, and they are inaccurate enough to meaningless anyway. Even if the test was properly administered, it neither confirms or denies his story.
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did anyone else think it was weird that Tim and his wife didn't, you know, have sex on their wedding night. What couple doesn't do it on their wedding night?
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