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Old 07-23-2010, 04:04 PM   #166
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I remember this case, but not the details. Was the guy just so naive that he thought going on a popular tv show would be the proper way to clear his name?

Five years of being suspected would have been extremely difficult. Maybe he felt that after all that time had gone by the chances of finding the real killer would be nearly impossible, and that at least if he went on TV, he could tell his side of the story, which he hoped would convince the police to no longer treat him like a suspect.

Maybe he was stressed out and desperate and had accepted that the murder may go unpunished forever so his focus was on getting the police to leave him alone rather than an appeal to find the real killer.

Did the police call him in for interviews repeatedly, over the years, or was he just questioned during the initial investigation? I wonder if he was desperate to get on with his life, didn't have any idea how to do that, and thought UM would be the way to get his life back to normal.

Of course, if he's guilty, he may have been arrogant enough to think that he could con the police *and* the public by appearing on TV.

Did he come across as sincere during in his UM interview? Did it seem like he was trying to clear his name with the police or was he just trying to change public opinion so his neighbors would quit whispering? I can't recall what it seemed like his motivation was.
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:20 PM   #167
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If there was one word in the English language I would use to describe Tim McClure...

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Of course, if he's guilty, he may have been arrogant enough to think that he could con the police *and* the public by appearing on TV.

...arrogant would most definitely NOT be that word.
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lol Maybe whimpy would be the one word?
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The one word would be...befuddled.

Timmy seems perpetually confused. When he describes himself failing the lie detetctor test. Him reenacting his look through the parking lot. I may have mentioned it before but I absolutely love his big pink sweater he's wearing because I just know in my heart of hearts that was a white sweater before he washed it with the red turtleneck he's wearing underneath it...but my main man Timmy wore it anyway.
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Since seeing the original broadcast, I've always thought Tim was innocent. The fact that he was arrested 10 years later (or so), with the DA dismissing the case "with prejudice" is pretty damning against him possibly having anything to do with his mother's murder. In order for a DA to dismiss a vicious murder case "with prejudice" (therefore barring them from ever presenting the case again) against a suspect where a body is accounted for, they (probably) conclude that no substantial evidence against the suspect will ever be found. Otherwise, they would just dismiss it "without prejudice".

In my opinion, this indicates to me that, even after 10 years, all the sheriff's office had on Tim was a weak circumstancial case, and went ahead and arrested him anyway as they had no other suspects. The district attorney probably considered the case brought against Tim to be in bad faith or out of desperation, and also felt it to be extremely weak, and therefore felt the need to add the prejudice caveat.

I personally didn't find any compelling circumstantial evidence presented in the segment, nor did it make sense to me that he would have committed the murder from a logistics or motive standpoint.

P.S. I'm glad that he shaved that mullet off before appearing on the segment. Nobody needs that much party in the back. Nobody.
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In my opinion, this indicates to me that, even after 10 years, all the sheriff's office had on Tim was a weak circumstancial case, and went ahead and arrested him anyway as they had no other suspects.
Some time ago, Wiseguy found a couple of articles online indicating that McClure was arrested after a repeat of the Unsolved Mysteries story generated some new leads. Unfortunately, the available articles don't say what the new information was...

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-...slaying-mother

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-11-...r-killing-case
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Some time ago, Wiseguy found a couple of articles online indicating that McClure was arrested after a repeat of the Unsolved Mysteries story generated some new leads. Unfortunately, the available articles don't say what the new information was...

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-...slaying-mother

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-11-...r-killing-case
Cool. I'll check those out. Whatever the new leads were, they were still (presumably) considered not worthy enough to bring him to trial over (or ever). Of course, my summation was just based on what was in the segment. However, I gotta think, if new solid circumstantial or physical evidence had been found, the case would not have been thrown out "with prejudice", assuming basic competency. Also...awesome Cash avatar!
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Cool. I'll check those out. Whatever the new leads were, they were still (presumably) considered not worthy enough to bring him to trial over (or ever). Of course, my summation was just based on what was in the segment. However, I gotta think, if new solid circumstantial or physical evidence had been found, the case would not have been thrown out "with prejudice", assuming basic competency. Also...awesome Cash avatar!
I noticed that Stack mentioned that the case was sent to the DA back in 1983 and they decided not to prosecute McClure.

As we all know, McClure was arrested in late '92 and the case was dismissed with prejudice.

Could it be that the DA decided to dismiss with prejudice the second time because this case had already come into their office once before and was deemed insufficient?

I suppose my question is...how many times can a case be sent to the DA for review and be dismissed or not prosecuted before they finally dismiss with prejudice? Is there even a cap?

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I noticed that Stack mentioned that the case was sent to the DA back in 1983 and they decided not to prosecute McClure.

As we all know, McClure was arrested in late '92 and the case was dismissed with prejudice.

Could it be that the DA decided to dismiss with prejudice the second time because this case had already come into their office once before and was deemed insufficient?

I suppose my question is...how many times can a case be sent to the DA for review and be dismissed or not prosecuted before they finally dismiss with prejudice? Is there even a cap?

Thanks for the compliment on the new avatar, btw.
I don't think there's technically a cap (I could be wrong), but if a case was already dismissed by the DA and brought again, the new evidence better be substantial. I'm sure the prior dismissal from 1983 played a big part in the decision of the DA to eventually dismiss with prejudice, but it wasn't the only factor.
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OK, if one refuses to believe that Tim McClure or his wife had anything to do with her murder, who else could have done it and what might their motives have been? Has law enforcement even considered other suspects?
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OK, if one refuses to believe that Tim McClure or his wife had anything to do with her murder, who else could have done it and what might their motives have been? Has law enforcement even considered other suspects?
It has been proposed that it could have been a robbery gone bad. Her purse was missing.

If we assume this scenario is correct, the killer would be pretty difficult to find, as there is no relationship with the victim.

Since most murders are committed by someone close to the victim, it's not surprising that the cops focused on Tim McClure from the start.
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It has been proposed that it could have been a robbery gone bad. Her purse was missing.

If we assume this scenario is correct, the killer would be pretty difficult to find, as there is no relationship with the victim.

Since most murders are committed by someone close to the victim, it's not surprising that the cops focused on Tim McClure from the start.
I suppose a botched robbery by a random stranger would be a sufficient motive - if one didn't think it was possible for Tim McClure and/or his wife to have had anything to do with it. However; I've posted earlier in this thread why their alibis didn't make sense to me. Regardless, I do hope that whoever did this heinous crime DOES get brought to justice in this world.
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I suppose a botched robbery by a random stranger would be a sufficient motive - if one didn't think it was possible for Tim McClure and/or his wife to have had anything to do with it. However; I've posted earlier in this thread why their alibis didn't make sense to me. Regardless, I do hope that whoever did this heinous crime DOES get brought to justice in this world.
The alibi (or lack thereof) is certainly bizarre. On the other hand, I tend to think that if they can't remember the specific clubs/bars they went to, it is because they were probably intoxicated. For what it's worth, I got married in Vegas (kinda like McClure) and that whole week was one giant party with my family, her family and all of our friends.

Also, I think it's strange that their alibi is basically "we went bar/club hopping but can't remember where".

At first glance, that seems extremely suspicious. However, considering it was their wedding night (and assuming for the sake of argument that he's guilty) he could have just as easily said they retired early to their hotel, which would not have been suspicious under the circumstances. No need for him to elaborate further on that, and there would have been no witnesses.

Why then would McClure invent an alibi that involves being seen in public, when it would be so easy for the cops to shoot holes in that story?
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Why then would McClure invent an alibi that involves being seen in public, when it would be so easy for the cops to shoot holes in that story?
I tend to think it's because he thinks--in some strange way--it will lend to his credibility. I could see his logic following the lines of "I have nothing to hide and/or wasn't engaged in shady business at the time, so of course I was out in public. There can be no question, as I'm so ready to admit someone probably remembers seeing me."

As for not being able to recall what establishments he and his wife patronized I have no ready answer, except that McClure, to this individual, doesn't appear to be particularly clever or thorough at concocting stories.
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Why then would McClure invent an alibi that involves being seen in public, when it would be so easy for the cops to shoot holes in that story?
But that's just it though. Tim is surprised that he is even considered a suspect. I think his words were something to the effect of "you should be investigating other people instead of looking at me as a suspect, which is what I found out they were doing." That's pretty remarkable on Tim's part. He doesn't even think the police should be investigating him at all. He finds it totally incomprehensible that he even is forced to answer questions about what happened. And even if the police didn't think Tim did it, they are still likely to ask him questions about it to get an idea of Terri's life, routine, etc. I think that Tim thought he would just park his mother's car by a casino to make it look like she was killed during a robbery (and even stole and got rid of her purse), that the police would figure that, and that would be that.

I have been extremely busy with work and trades and haven't been able to post much lately, but I will always make time for Tim McClure.
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