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Old 07-20-2021, 05:31 PM   #1
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Default Have any of those suicide cases turned out to be Murder

Watching some of the episodes of unsolved mysteries and they should cases where someoneís death is ruled an suicide but family argue that it was murder


Any of those cases actually turn out to be murder?
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The Steve Sandlin case was eventually classified as a homicide.

The Mario Amado case was eventually reclassified a homicide and a police officer was convicted of his murder but the ruling was overturned.
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IMO, just because the cause of death was changed to undetermined or murder from suicide, doesn’t mean it’s so. Just means the ME gave in to pressure from the families.
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IMO, just because the cause of death was changed to undetermined or murder from suicide, doesnít mean itís so. Just means the ME gave in to pressure from the families.
I agree 100%. I feel bad for the families, but most all of them hire some PI and keep spinning some wild theory until they wear everyone down.
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Watching some of the episodes of unsolved mysteries and they should cases where someoneís death is ruled an suicide but family argue that it was murder


Any of those cases actually turn out to be murder?
Yes there are multiple. chad maurer and Cindy James were both changed from suicide to undetermined IIRC. I think it is obvious to say that Chad was murdered. Keith Warren is another case that I suspect was murder, but investigators classified him as suicide. Paul Whipkey was an Army Lt. who was classified a deserter, but was later classified as died in the line of duty. those are just a few that I can recall.
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How about Doug Johnston from the 'Mistaken Hit,' segment?

The audacity of the investigator to say we can't classify it as a murder or suicide based on the evidence despite no gun being found anywhere in or near the car. Isn't no gun being found at the scene technically evidence?

Do they honestly think he could have shot himself and then the gun just magically floated away?
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Do they honestly think he could have shot himself and then the gun just magically floated away?
You've heard of ice bullets for assassins? Clearly there's an ice pistol for suicides!
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IMO, just because the cause of death was changed to undetermined or murder from suicide, doesnít mean itís so. Just means the ME gave in to pressure from the families.
In every case? That's a broad assessment.

From the cases I've seen on Unsolved Mysteries of declared suicides thought to be murders, most of the families had pretty good arguments. And the authorities' arguments for suicide have ranged from questionable to flat out ridiculous.
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There might be more to Kieth Warren’s case, but IMHO, most of these are suicides and the family doesn’t want to accept it.
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There might be more to Kieth Warren’s case, but IMHO, most of these are suicides and the family doesn’t want to accept it.
Fundamentally all deaths are to be treated as homicides until proven otherwise. Not the other way around. And in most of these cases suicide was not proven. The evidence ranged from inconclusive to flat out obvious for homicide.
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Whatever you choose to believe is fine with me, I will do the same.
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