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Old 01-10-2011, 11:17 AM   #166
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A few things:

1. I'm not sure what to think of this murder/disappearance. The fact that the little girl was not hurt and was safely taken to a department store might lead some to believe that Mike did not want to hurt his daughter and thus spared her life. It would be very risky for a killer to take her into a town and risk being spotted or his license plate number written down by someone.

2. It could also suggest that a person other than Mike is responsible since his daughter was just left at the store. Most parents would not want to just leave their child in a store with random strangers, anyone of which could harm her.

3. Mike's father said that he believes that Mike is innocent since he left his coat behind. This does not make sense to me as Mike could have brought another coat with him and left the other there to throw off police.

4. The note that was left in the car is pointless to debate. Yes Mike probably wrote it but he may have written it with a gun pointed to his head. For anyone to point to that note as proof of Mike's guilt is sadly mistaken.

5. I wonder if the little girl was asked who brought her to the store? It seems like if her dad brought her, she would have said "daddy brought me." The fact that she ha snot said this makes me think that she probably saw her parents killed, the killer took her to the store and was most likely terrified of the killer and did not know the person's name.

6. If Mike was planning killing Diana, why wait until they go hunting for a Christmas tree? Why not take Diana out under the lure of setting traps and have someone else watch the girl? It doesn't make since to bring the girl if your planning a murder.

7. The tube sock thing is kinda odd. Does anyone know if the earlier murder involving a tube sock was a popular story in the town? If so, Mike could have killed Diana the same way to make it look like it was the serial killer and not himself.
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A few things:

1. I'm not sure what to think of this murder/disappearance. The fact that the little girl was not hurt and was safely taken to a department store might lead some to believe that Mike did not want to hurt his daughter and thus spared her life. It would be very risky for a killer to take her into a town and risk being spotted or his license plate number written down by someone.

2. It could also suggest that a person other than Mike is responsible since his daughter was just left at the store. Most parents would not want to just leave their child in a store with random strangers, anyone of which could harm her.

3. Mike's father said that he believes that Mike is innocent since he left his coat behind. This does not make sense to me as Mike could have brought another coat with him and left the other there to throw off police.

4. The note that was left in the car is pointless to debate. Yes Mike probably wrote it but he may have written it with a gun pointed to his head. For anyone to point to that note as proof of Mike's guilt is sadly mistaken.

5. I wonder if the little girl was asked who brought her to the store? It seems like if her dad brought her, she would have said "daddy brought me." The fact that she ha snot said this makes me think that she probably saw her parents killed, the killer took her to the store and was most likely terrified of the killer and did not know the person's name.

6. If Mike was planning killing Diana, why wait until they go hunting for a Christmas tree? Why not take Diana out under the lure of setting traps and have someone else watch the girl? It doesn't make since to bring the girl if your planning a murder.

7. The tube sock thing is kinda odd. Does anyone know if the earlier murder involving a tube sock was a popular story in the town? If so, Mike could have killed Diana the same way to make it look like it was the serial killer and not himself.
In regards to number 7, I'm sure the murders were talked about but I doubt the police publically came out with the specifics, most notably that a sock was found tied around Ruth Cooper's neck. It wasn't until Diana was found with one that they made the connection that the two may have been linked. I believe the investigator interviewed on UM said when he saw the way the sock was tied around Diana the hairs stood up on his neck because it was the same exact way the knott was used in the Cooper homicide. So the odds that Riemer would be able to replicate this seem fairly slim. That's why I tend to think if Riemer is guilty, he would have to be a serial killer. I agree with your points (4-6). But I think it would be more risky for Riemer to drop his daughter off in a highly populated shopping center close to his home. All it would take would be someone to witness him driving in his truck either alone or with Crystal, and he instantly becomes the number one suspect in Diana's murder. Riemer's home was located in Puyallup and Crystal was found in Spanaway, which was approx. 12 miles. Why would Riemer not drive the additional 15-20 minutes (after just traveled 30 miles from the area he allegedly murdered Diana) to his home where he could easily have dropped her off close to his house with the hopes that someone would recognize her? And if Riemer was responsible and planned a life on the run he would have went to his place to pack, why not just leave Crystal there?

There are several sources that say Crystal was dropped off the day after Riemer and Diana's disappearance. If that is true, it makes Riemer's involvement IMHO less likely.

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There are several sources that say Crystal was dropped off the day after Riemer and Diana's disappearance. If that is true, it makes Riemer's involvement IMHO less likely.
Who are the sources?
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Riemer's guilt or innocence probably also depends on the police "hold backs." Not sure what the police are "holding back" concerning this case, but since the available evidence makes him appear to be guilty, you have to wonder what the additional evidence states.
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There is an old post on this board (a link is in this thread) with several articles from the Seattle Times that say Crystal was found in the afternoon on the day after they went missing. Other articles place Crystal at the store later in the evening (around 8:30 p.m.) the same day of Riemer and Robertson's fateful trip. Unsolved Mysteries seems to be the only source that says Crystal was found on the same afternoon of Diana and Riemer's trip, implying that it was shortly after they set out on their trip. The DOE network website also states this:

"The family were to return to Puyallup by nightfall the day they went out. When they did not return by the next morning, a relative notified the Pierce County Sheriff's Office. Crystal Robertson was found later that afternoon, wandering alone at a Spanaway discount store and was taken into protective custody."
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There is an old post on this board (a link is in this thread) with several articles from the Seattle Times that say Crystal was found in the afternoon on the day after they went missing. Other articles place Crystal at the store later in the evening (around 8:30 p.m.) the same day of Riemer and Robertson's fateful trip. Unsolved Mysteries seems to be the only source that says Crystal was found on the same afternoon of Diana and Riemer's trip, implying that it was shortly after they set out on their trip. The DOE network website also states this:

"The family were to return to Puyallup by nightfall the day they went out. When they did not return by the next morning, a relative notified the Pierce County Sheriff's Office. Crystal Robertson was found later that afternoon, wandering alone at a Spanaway discount store and was taken into protective custody."
When they say "later that afternoon" they are meaning the same day they went out in the woods. I agree it would make Riemer look less guilty if it was the next day but LE has that info. They know when the child showed up at the store for a fact.
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In regards to number 7, I'm sure the murders were talked about but I doubt the police publically came out with the specifics, most notably that a sock was found tied around Ruth Cooper's neck. It wasn't until Diana was found with one that they made the connection that the two may have been linked. I believe the investigator interviewed on UM said when he saw the way the sock was tied around Diana the hairs stood up on his neck because it was the same exact way the knott was used in the Cooper homicide. So the odds that Riemer would be able to replicate this seem fairly slim. That's why I tend to think if Riemer is guilty, he would have to be a serial killer. I agree with your points (4-6). But I think it would be more risky for Riemer to drop his daughter off in a highly populated shopping center close to his home. All it would take would be someone to witness him driving in his truck either alone or with Crystal, and he instantly becomes the number one suspect in Diana's murder. Riemer's home was located in Puyallup and Crystal was found in Spanaway, which was approx. 12 miles. Why would Riemer not drive the additional 15-20 minutes (after just traveled 30 miles from the area he allegedly murdered Diana) to his home where he could easily have dropped her off close to his house with the hopes that someone would recognize her? And if Riemer was responsible and planned a life on the run he would have went to his place to pack, why not just leave Crystal there?

There are several sources that say Crystal was dropped off the day after Riemer and Diana's disappearance. If that is true, it makes Riemer's involvement IMHO less likely.
He never stated that the knots where the same. He did state that the socks where a match. I took this to mean that it was the same style and color of tube socks. Which would mean the connection would be obvious. If the knot tied was the same I dont see that as anything interesting. How many different knots could you really tie around someone's neck with a sock???
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He never stated that the knots where the same. He did state that the socks where a match. I took this to mean that it was the same style and color of tube socks. Which would mean the connection would be obvious. If the knot tied was the same I dont see that as anything interesting. How many different knots could you really tie around someone's neck with a sock???
Didn't it state in the segment that when the detective compared the knots both he and the evidence technicians were surprised that the knots were the same?
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He never stated that the knots where the same. He did state that the socks where a match. I took this to mean that it was the same style and color of tube socks. Which would mean the connection would be obvious. If the knot tied was the same I dont see that as anything interesting. How many different knots could you really tie around someone's neck with a sock???
I don't know but here's an exact quote from the UM website: "According to Detective Neiser, the tube sock on Diana had been tied with exactly the same type of knot as in the earlier murder."

And from the broadcast: "In a grisly similarity, Diana Robertson had another tube sock around her neck tied in exactly the same type of knot."

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When they say "later that afternoon" they are meaning the same day they went out in the woods. I agree it would make Riemer look less guilty if it was the next day but LE has that info. They know when the child showed up at the store for a fact.
No they are saying the day of their reported disappearance (the day after their trip) she was found that afternoon according to the DOE network. I think there may be confusion when certain articles/websites say "the day she disappeared", when they could mean the day she was reported missing. And there are other articles that state it was a couple of days until she was found at the store.
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No they are saying the day of their reported disappearance (the day after their trip) she was found that afternoon according to the DOE network. I think there may be confusion when certain articles/websites say "the day she disappeared", when they could mean the day she was reported missing. And there are other articles that state it was a couple of days until she was found at the store.
I agree. Although confusing to some, it does say that the day they were reported missing (which would be the day after they left) the girl was found in the store.
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Funny how his name isn't even on the doenetwork. Technically he is a missing person.
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Didn't it state in the segment that when the detective compared the knots both he and the evidence technicians were surprised that the knots were the same?
I never heard him say the knots. I thought he was saying the socks where a match. I will have to watch it again
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I don't know but here's an exact quote from the UM website: "According to Detective Neiser, the tube sock on Diana had been tied with exactly the same type of knot as in the earlier murder."

And from the broadcast: "In a grisly similarity, Diana Robertson had another tube sock around her neck tied in exactly the same type of knot."



No they are saying the day of their reported disappearance (the day after their trip) she was found that afternoon according to the DOE network. I think there may be confusion when certain articles/websites say "the day she disappeared", when they could mean the day she was reported missing. And there are other articles that state it was a couple of days until she was found at the store.
I will have to watch again but I never remember them saying the knots where tied the same. Like I said it could be, but really how many differnet knots could you tie a tube sock in around someones neck?
The epsiode does clearly state though that Crystal was found the same day that she and her parents had went into the woods to get a tree and check trap lines. It is at the very beginning.
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Funny how his name isn't even on the doenetwork. Technically he is a missing person.
I thought he was on doenetwork?
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I thought he was on doenetwork?
He is:http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3684dmwa.html
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