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Old 11-14-2013, 03:30 AM   #76
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Can I just add this ...

I think the killer was wearing gloves rather than cleaning the ATM card and the car. Simply because there was no prints found of the card yet it was used numerous times. So how would he put in into the machine without using his fingers??? He must of wore gloves!

And if I had just robbed and killed a person I would hardly take my time to stand and clean their car in case I was spotted doing so and tied to the crime! Also if he took the time to clean the car thoroughly enough not to leave any finger prints he would of noticed he dropped his bandanna.

I think he was in more of a rush to get away, dumping the car and bailing out of there was quick as possible.

However I have no opinion I can give on if he was gang related or not. I do not believe that Matt was alive and seen in the shelter.

I do believe that this robber had committed similar crimes to this before. Gloves and a gun also states he had a plan before he left his home.
Good points Nikki. I kinda overlooked the fact that Matt's car was cleaned thoroughly when the cops later found it abandoned (yet the bandana was inside). I wonder if the killer might've had an accomplice (and it could've been his bandana) who later cleaned out the car to get rid of any blood?
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the killer driving him to secluded location and shooting Matthew makes me think its someone who had an extensive criminal record and has been to jail for a significant period at some point prior to that crime ....
I strongly agree with that statement..

If the killer wore gloves it's possible his finger prints were all ready on record for a previous crime and he knew he needed to take precautions to ensure he wouldn't be caught.

I think he must have committed a lot more robberies but not murders eventually he would have messed up and been caught.

Unfortunately I dont think that this case will ever be solved.
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I'm uncomfortable with blaming Matt for visiting the ATM at night. As I stated earlier, we don't know if that's where he ran into trouble. He could have been targeted when he went to pick up the cat food. Maybe there was some road rage involved, or any number of other scenarios. I do think this was the work of a gang member and I shudder to think about what was going through Matt's head the last moments of his life. I just hope it was quick.

And I feel it's a solvable case. We have a bandanna with initials on it, perhaps there could be a DNA link some day. We have a picture of the killer.
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I'm uncomfortable with blaming Matt for visiting the ATM at night. As I stated earlier, we don't know if that's where he ran into trouble. He could have been targeted when he went to pick up the cat food. Maybe there was some road rage involved, or any number of other scenarios. I do think this was the work of a gang member and I shudder to think about what was going through Matt's head the last moments of his life. I just hope it was quick.

And I feel it's a solvable case. We have a bandanna with initials on it, perhaps there could be a DNA link some day. We have a picture of the killer.
Yeah, he'd probably done that tons of times before, and just was sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time. UM made it seem like the ATM itself is where the crime happened, but this guy could've accosted Matt anywhere.

Do you know if there's any trace that he ever made it to the store? Were any receipts or the cat food found?

Its possible the case could be solved, but who knows about the killer? He might be in jail for another crime or could've died. He's 25 years older now too.

P.S. Isn't it creepy/weird that there's no trace of Matt's case online at all, besides the segment itself? Looking up Scott Burkhart doesn't come up with anything either. (Even if he's retired or in a different department/police force by now, his name should still show up in old articles or something.) It really makes these cases seem even more mysterious, legendary, and darker in a way.
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P.S. Isn't it creepy/weird that there's no trace of Matt's case online at all, besides the segment itself? .
Unfortunately its probably cause this happened in LA & Pas , imagine how many other violent crimes of similar nature have occured in the intervening years ..... if this crime had occured in smalltown Iowa it probably still would be newsworthy enough to find traces of the case online , sad to say but people forget these things real quick in big cities

Sometimes its easy to forget that some of these case in UM from the mid and late 80`s occured during the crack epidermic and big cities were awash with so many murders its shocking when you look at the stats compared to today . With not many viable leads I guess the detectives put the case aside and had to respond to more homicides popping up regularly.....
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Yeah, he'd probably done that tons of times before, and just was sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time. UM made it seem like the ATM itself is where the crime happened, but this guy could've accosted Matt anywhere.
Yeah. In the case of Gretchen Buford, it is believed the killer got in her car and forced her to drive to an ATM. So it really wouldn't be unheard of for a killer to meet up with his victim elsewhere, then force them to an ATM. Perhaps that Matt had just visited an ATM was a coincidence.
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I was watching this segment recently and I noticed something interesting. Stack said that over the next day and a half since Matthew first deposited his paycheck, 5 more withdrawal attempts were made. Stack also went on to say that by that time Matthew's paycheck had cleared and $400 had been paid out from his account. That raises the question, who was able to sucessfully withdraw that $400? Was it Matthew or his killer? If only the ATM(s) that paid that money out had a camera! The segment seemed to imply that only one of the ATMs had a camera. How common were ATM cameras back in 1988? If this had happened in 2013, the killer would most likely have been caught or at least better identified as nearly all ATMs have cameras now.
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Good point about the cameras. I don't know if the killer made Matthew get it himself or forced him to give up his PIN number.

Another unfortunate circumstance was that Matt apparently went to a bank ATM. There likely weren't witnesses around. A safer choice would have been using one at a convenience store where there are more people around, although I don't know if that was common back in the day.
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I was watching this segment recently and I noticed something interesting. Stack said that over the next day and a half since Matthew first deposited his paycheck, 5 more withdrawal attempts were made. Stack also went on to say that by that time Matthew's paycheck had cleared and $400 had been paid out from his account. That raises the question, who was able to sucessfully withdraw that $400? Was it Matthew or his killer? If only the ATM(s) that paid that money out had a camera! The segment seemed to imply that only one of the ATMs had a camera. How common were ATM cameras back in 1988? If this had happened in 2013, the killer would most likely have been caught or at least better identified as nearly all ATMs have cameras now.
I don't know how common the cameras on ATMs were but from personal experience.....

I got my first ATM card in 1985 when I was 17 or 18. I lived in a Detroit suburb. The ATM I used had at least one camera. The machine was inside a trailer in a parking lot across the street from the mall, on kind of a side street. Now that I think about it, it was off by itself and not very safe.

It sounded like the majority of the trailer was full of air conditioning equipment in the back room to the keep the ATM machine cool.
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While I remember ATMs in lots of places as a kid, they were kind of a luxury in the 80s. Most were standalones outside of the actual banks. They weren't totally widespread and ubiquitous like now until the late 2000s even, like how there's one inside every convenience store, thrift store, supermarket, Target, etc. So it's not unfathomable to think that even in LA in 1988, Matt would've had no choice but to go to the actual bank.

I honestly believe Matt was killed that night, most likely after the gunman forced him to give up his PIN. After he had that and the car, he probably figured he didn't need Matt anymore, and killed him (either out of fear of being identified, frustration that he wasn't able to get more money out of him, or just because he was cold blooded).
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I honestly believe Matt was killed that night, most likely after the gunman forced him to give up his PIN. After he had that and the car, he probably figured he didn't need Matt anymore, and killed him (either out of fear of being identified, frustration that he wasn't able to get more money out of him, or just because he was cold blooded).

I agree 100%

In my view, there is no mystery whatsoever as to what happened to poor Matt, only who the culprits are.
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There is one thing that keeps being forgotten: the head detective said the car had been void of all finger prints. So the killer wipes every single thing clean but leaves a valuable clue like the bandana behind? It is obvious that it was left behind to throw investigators off.
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There is one thing that keeps being forgotten: the head detective said the car had been void of all finger prints. So the killer wipes every single thing clean but leaves a valuable clue like the bandana behind? It is obvious that it was left behind to throw investigators off.
That's been mentioned on the forum before, numerous times in fact. I get the impression it was left behind as a mistake. Perhaps it fell off, or something.
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Second, Teresa Dahl talked to witnesses in shelters who recognized him AND told her information that put him as alive after the crime, since they said that he was a very tall and lenky guy. That gives credence to the theory that the perp only mugged me and and left him there, because why would shelter people remember him and tell Teresa something that only someone who has seen Matthew Chase would know? While mistaken witnesses can and do happen, it is hard to be mistaken when the person you are asked about is very tall.
I don't mean this as rude to shelter people but I'm not sure shelter people are the best people to take everything they say with 100% certainty. I doubt Matthew lived much longer after that photo of him at the ATM, sadly.
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I also think Matthew died right after the atms he went to with that mysterious killer. I agree with the homeless shelter people - some will just lie to the parents because they feel sorry for them and want them to think their son is still alive. Also, some people are shady and will just be mean too. I think most at shelter are good citizens but perhaps 10% or 20% (depending on the day or month) are different.

Once again it probably was a kid that looked like Chase at the homeless shelter as lots of people have someone that looks like 'em. One person said that maybe the atm guy kidnapped him, stole some money, beat him to death and chase survived and forgot who he was and ended up at the shelter. However this does not make sense because he went to atm right after leaving his place and was later killed by atm guy.

he didn't go to atm, get kidnapped and beaten up, then gone to homeless shelter for a few nights and then get killed by another guy!
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