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Old 10-15-2009, 02:27 AM   #16
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We do not know the suspect's acquaintances; could be as simple as him having a friend or a partner-in-crime who was part of a gang or a wannabee gang member, and whom he asked to help him and inadvertably left his bandana on the scene. It wouldn't have been the first time a third person becomes an accessory to a crime to help out a pal in trouble. Also, due to the bad quality of the camera we cannot link the bandana directly to the suspect, but only to someone who either cleaned up the car, drove it back to the crime scene, or was in the car during any of these. They could be the same individual, but it remains to be conclusively proven.
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One possibility is that the guy who hijacked him could have mugged Matthew and stolen his keys and wallet. Matthew wakes up with either amnesia, confusion or shock due to trauma from the attack. Left without his keys and cards (which would account on what he wouldn't use the car), he wanders away from the crime scene. Understandably he doesn't call the police as the perp certainly threatened him not to do so, yet he does not immediately return home either, either due to amnesia or the fear that the perp might come to his home to hurt him or Teresa. So, undecided, without his papers, money, and keys, most probably shocked, and afraid the perp might be after him, he decides to remain hidden until things cool down a little bit and he moves from shelter to shelter.

In the same time, later that night, the suspect lightens up and becomes afraid he might have left fingerprints or physical evidence in the car. Having the keys, he returns to the crime scene with a gang-member pal, takes the car, cleans it, and asks his pal to drive it back to the crime scene (to prevent witnessses from linking him to the victim's car). However, when he leaves the guy forgets his bandana on the seat, hence why it was found in a car void of any fingerprint.

This would also account why Matthew was seen by witnesses in shelters throughout Los Angeles. Unless Matthew has a twin or an unlikely coincidence that a tall guy ressembles him, I'm about 90% sure that Matthew was still alive after the crime and remained so for a while until he was gunned down and left in that field outside Los Angeles.
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Like I said, the bandana is only circumstancial evidence linked to the crime, and you can be certain the gang who owns this bandana won't talk to the police for some WASP mugged near an ATM machine. Plus the guy might be a wannabee, an orbiter, or a plain stranger who owned this bandana for whatever reason. Hell, it might even be a decoy to fool the police or to put the crime on the back of a rival gang. Without linking to an individual this evidence becomes nigh-on useless.

Also, remember that, as of now, we cannot demonstrate conclusively that the suspect is the same person who murdered Matthew Chase. The only thing we can prove is robbery (and not even armed because we see no weapon). We presume that he is the killer because Matthew ends up dead, but the evidence the police has to link the murder to the robber is very scarce.
But why would the robber want to involve someone else in it that wasn't in it already? I mean the take was only a few hundred bucks. It seems like you are adding too much to it when the case seems pretty simple, cut and dry to me. Matthew gets confonted at the first ATM by the robber or robbers, who force him to give him money from the ATM and drive him from ATM to ATM until he gives them as much money as he can. Then the robber or robbers take him to the place where his body is found in that ravine in Pasadena, and kill him there, since there is no blood evidence in the vehicle. Then he or they drive back and ditch the car and get back to their neighborhood.

The whole business of Matt wandering around alive is pretty silly. Do you know how many homeless people there are in the LA area? Thousands. So to have someone that matched the description of Matt being spotted by people at a homeless shelter (especially after seeing his driver's license complete with the height and weight stats on it), isn't really that eye-opening. I mean think about the cases on UM where a victim has been supposedly seen by people after they were known to be dead.

Also, you have to take into account how far away and isolated that area is in Pasadena where his body was found. I know because I have been up in that area before. It's quite a distance from LA, especially on foot. I don't even think the buses go out there to the town in Pasadena, unless you take like 3 or 4 transfers. And didn't his skull have a bullet or bullets in it when it was found? It seems to me the evidence points to gang members kidnapping, robbing, and killing Matt. Then dumping his car once they killed and dumped his body. I mean what wannabe gang member would have that rag, unless he made his bones by pulling this crime? That rag looked like a distinctive gang set (which are usually custom made like that one was), so I highly doubt it was someone with no affiliation to a gang in any capacity, unless they were a highly cunning killer of some sort and it seems like the motive for this case was robbery. But then again, if they were some sort of highly cunning killer, then they could have stolen the rag from a gang or made it themselves, and made the killing look like a robbery/homicide from a gang, then cleaned the car meticulously as to not leave any evidence except for that rag that was the only evidence left behind other than the ATM video. I mean why go through all of that trouble to clean the car, if you are going to leave behind a major piece of evidence like the rag?
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The initials ES PBS on the bandana represent the East Side Playboys Gang of East Los Angeles. I've done some research and that gang's territory is but a few miles drive from the 110 freeway. It is the 110 freeway that stretches from San Pedro to Pasadena. But this gangs location is in the city of LA. From the area of the gangs "territory", to the end of the 110 freeway in Pasadena, it is roughly 10-15 miles. Or about a 15-20 minute drive. Depending on how fast one drives. Also, this gangs territory isn't very far from Downtown, China Town, and Elysian Park. All of which are relatively close to access to the 110 freeway. I'm getting the feeling that Matt and his room mates lived somewhere in this section of LA.

Most younger gang members who do not have a car tend to stay in their neighborhood. It's possible this gang member saw Matt and took the opportunity at some point.

I can't even begin to come up with a reason to account for the 11 minute gap in between the initial deposit, and the next withdrawal attempt of $280.00. In my opinion, the guy or guys that kidnapped Matt and did him in, were either members of this gang, or members of a rival gang. It's possible they were members of another street gang (18th street etc...) who obtained the bandana as a trophy. And they used it to throw the police off.

A lot of time has passed now. And with gang lifestyles the way they are, it's very possible this killer is already in jail, or maybe even got killed himself. I don't think we'll ever know, but if the latter is the case, it's a very fitting end.


And I agree with sythesislab about the distance factor. Eight or 10 miles does not seem like a lot. But trust me, in LA, it's A LOT. Especially without a car. How do I know this? I was born in raised in LA. Lived there for 24 years. And yes, I do miss it.
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I first saw this as a teenager. It really was really creepy to me. I now work at a bank and think about this everytime I use an ATM. Using an ATM at night can be very dangerous. I never use it at night unless I absolutely need money or someone is with me. Most here are drive up ATMs. I am still always very aware of my surroundings.
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Using an ATM at night can be very dangerous. I never use it at night unless I absolutely need money or someone is with me. Most here are drive up ATMs. I am still always very aware of my surroundings.
Doing ANYTHING at night is dangerous. Working at night. Walking the streets at night. Driving at night. Going to the convenience store at night. Walking your dog at night....etc...etc...

You want to live a longer life..make sure your in your home by 10pm.
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Doing ANYTHING at night is dangerous. Working at night. Walking the streets at night. Driving at night. Going to the convenience store at night. Walking your dog at night....etc...etc...

You want to live a longer life..make sure your in your home by 10pm.
AMEN brother! I tell my wife and sister all the time to get stuff done by daybreak. Gas, groceries, etc... This world is too dangerous, but I digress.
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Doing ANYTHING at night is dangerous. Working at night. Walking the streets at night. Driving at night. Going to the convenience store at night. Walking your dog at night....etc...etc...

You want to live a longer life..make sure your in your home by 10pm.
I live in a big city and am afraid sometimes to go outside, thankfully my Father bought me mace.
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Unsolved Mysteries has told me that the USA is a scary place filled with murderers, rapists and thieves in every neighbourhood. What is the safest place to live in the U.S if someone had the choice?
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This was a really creepy case then and still is now. Unfortunately, even with an enhancement of the photo taken at the ATM the sketch isn't of much help as a profile view. The sketch could be anyone, sadly.

It's really too bad that this happened to him all alone at an ATM at night. I use to deposit my pay check after work at 3AM (because my sleep patterns sucked and I could never get to the bank during the day), but the ATM was inside a building you needed to access with your card and a code number. Still scared the crap out of me every time I did it, and I would always hesitate for several minutes before going to my car which was parked 5 feet from the door. Something about being inside made me feel safer.

I'm thankful that job is gone and now I never venture out past a certain hour unless I absolutely have to, but never to an ATM. Our local Walmart has night security walking around the parking lot, so you feel a little safe with that.
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I thought of something after I saw the segment, what if the bandana was put in the car to throw authorities off and make it look like a crime related to gang violence? It could have been a regular criminal who took it too far.

If it was gang related it could have been an initiation thing or random gang-banger's looking for a quick buck. But why go to the extreme of killing him? Why not just demand his card and pin number and be done with it?
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This was a really creepy case then and still is now. Unfortunately, even with an enhancement of the photo taken at the ATM the sketch isn't of much help as a profile view. The sketch could be anyone, sadly.
If you look at the first drawing of the composite sketch, it looks eerily like a profile shot of a younger George W. Bush.

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_matthew_chase.htm
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If you look at the first drawing of the composite sketch, it looks eerily like a profile shot of a younger George W. Bush.

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_matthew_chase.htm
HA! It does look a little like Bush.
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I wonder if this is Teresa Dahl, it looks like her

http://www.facebook.com/people/Teres...?id=1154713005
I just saw her and the Matthew Chase case on UM a few days ago. They STILL haven't found the killer yet??

That must've been 15 or so years ago so the chances of getting them now are a lot lower.

I didn't catch the entire segment so what exactly happened?? Chase walked from the house to the ATM and was abducted?? Or did he drive?
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This was a really creepy case then and still is now. Unfortunately, even with an enhancement of the photo taken at the ATM the sketch isn't of much help as a profile view. The sketch could be anyone, sadly.

It's really too bad that this happened to him all alone at an ATM at night. I use to deposit my pay check after work at 3AM (because my sleep patterns sucked and I could never get to the bank during the day), but the ATM was inside a building you needed to access with your card and a code number. Still scared the crap out of me every time I did it, and I would always hesitate for several minutes before going to my car which was parked 5 feet from the door. Something about being inside made me feel safer.

I'm thankful that job is gone and now I never venture out past a certain hour unless I absolutely have to, but never to an ATM. Our local Walmart has night security walking around the parking lot, so you feel a little safe with that.
I just went to an ATM tonight before 1:00 am to withdraw some money and I must admit that this case came to mind as I was about to do that. I was definitely on the lookout for any suspicious activity.
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The composite looked like Bush? Frankly I do not see the comparison but that is just an opinion. The younger Bush was neither stocky, nor short and was not losing his hair. In fact Bush to this day has a full head of hair.
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I thought of something after I saw the segment, what if the bandana was put in the car to throw authorities off and make it look like a crime related to gang violence? It could have been a regular criminal who took it too far.

If it was gang related it could have been an initiation thing or random gang-banger's looking for a quick buck. But why go to the extreme of killing him? Why not just demand his card and pin number and be done with it?
I've always thought the bandana was a red herring. Matthew was in Los Angeles in the late 1980s and gang violence was utterly rampant (not that it isn't today, of course, but the drug trade was nearly uncontrollable back then, resulting in escalated violence). It's a commonly known fact that certain gangs associate themselves with certain colors--Matthew's killer probably just threw in a blue bandana and thought the police would automatically shift all of their focus onto the Crips (which they almost certainly didn't, as I'm sure LA had at the time a separate gang task force of some sort that kept pretty good "eyes on" gang MOs and activity, and found the scene at Matthew's car to be an outlier of the usual).

I don't think it's gang-related in the least. I think the man in the ATM photo almost certainly abducted him alone or with the help of at least one other person. I think it's likely the man in the photo was even holding Matthew at gunpoint at the time.
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