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Old 04-25-2015, 02:00 PM   #91
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The friend in the segment is Mikki's sister? Who was married to Marvin? This segment has to be the most uncompleted in Um's history.

And he seriously killed her so he wouldn't get a divorce? Can't there be a more plausible explanation?
They purposely left out this information as they couldn't say the suspect's name. If I recall correctly, they even misidentified Ruth as a "sister-in-law" rather than "sister." They went through great pains not to give out that information, likely also to encourage tips that only those who knew the true details could give.

I don't think he killed Mikki to avoid divorce. I think he did it out of anger that she probably encouraged her sister to leave him, and perhaps had a few altercations with him related to the matter. Obviously because he killed two other women, he had a very violent side to him. Mikki may not have been safe even if she hadn't gotten involved in the marital dispute.
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They purposely left out this information as they couldn't say the suspect's name. If I recall correctly, they even misidentified Ruth as a "sister-in-law" rather than "sister." They went through great pains not to give out that information, likely also to encourage tips that only those who knew the true details could give.
This clears up a lot. This segment is one of the more vague and information-less segments UM ever aired. However, after it was solved, you can easily put the pieces together and realize why it was done like that.
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Ruth Ann was Micki Jo's sister-in-law and best friend (she was married to Ruth Ann's brother). Ruth Ann had a son by Irvin when she was about 15ish in 1976ish. Irvin was about 25. He had numerous underage "girlfriends" and children with those girls. Ruth Ann married Irvin in 1978/1979. Irvin was a drug addict and drug dealer and beat Ruth repeatedly over the course of their entire relationship. I witnessed one of those beatings before they were married and befriended Ruth for a short time. Ruth Ann was also a violent person and was known for battering other girls that Irvin had relationships (and children with). Ruth left Irvin shortly after they were married in 1979 and hid across the river from St. Joseph in Kansas in a motel with their son. According to police detectives, this infuriated Irvin and he knew that Micki Jo would know where Ruth was hiding and probably beat it out of her. That's why he accosted Micki on her way to work. Police detectives were told by Ruth that Irvin and two other men showed up at the motel shortly after Micki disappeared to retrieve Ruth and their son. Detectives theorized that Irvin was not alone when Micki was killed (thus the two men that were with him at the motel) and that perhaps one of those two men were responsible for leaving the notes at the Kansas City mall and mailing one to the newscaster about Micki Jo's murder. Irvin wasn't a police officer for very long. He was fired for using his gun when off duty. He worked for the railroad for several years and was indeed a very strong man. It is quite possible that Irvin buried Micki in a different location, considering his employment with the railroad throughout the area. He confessed to Micki's murder and revealed her burial spot in Kansas in a plea agreement for life in prison.
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Ruth Ann was Micki Jo's sister-in-law and best friend (she was married to Ruth Ann's brother). Ruth Ann had a son by Irvin when she was about 15ish in 1976ish. Irvin was about 25. He had numerous underage "girlfriends" and children with those girls. Ruth Ann married Irvin in 1978/1979. Irvin was a drug addict and drug dealer and beat Ruth repeatedly over the course of their entire relationship. I witnessed one of those beatings before they were married and befriended Ruth for a short time. Ruth Ann was also a violent person and was known for battering other girls that Irvin had relationships (and children with). Ruth left Irvin shortly after they were married in 1979 and hid across the river from St. Joseph in Kansas in a motel with their son. According to police detectives, this infuriated Irvin and he knew that Micki Jo would know where Ruth was hiding and probably beat it out of her. That's why he accosted Micki on her way to work. Police detectives were told by Ruth that Irvin and two other men showed up at the motel shortly after Micki disappeared to retrieve Ruth and their son. Detectives theorized that Irvin was not alone when Micki was killed (thus the two men that were with him at the motel) and that perhaps one of those two men were responsible for leaving the notes at the Kansas City mall and mailing one to the newscaster about Micki Jo's murder. Irvin wasn't a police officer for very long. He was fired for using his gun when off duty. He worked for the railroad for several years and was indeed a very strong man. It is quite possible that Irvin buried Micki in a different location, considering his employment with the railroad throughout the area. He confessed to Micki's murder and revealed her burial spot in Kansas in a plea agreement for life in prison.

Thanks for posting. It is always great to hear from someone who knew the parties involved.

A couple things I am curious about...

Why did the police speculate that Irvin wrote the notes?

Also, why do you think Micki's body wasn't recovered? Did Irvin forget or fabricate the location?
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From my understanding of what the detectives shared with me, they suspected a number of persons wrote the notes...Irvin, one of the two men that might have been accomplices, and even Micki's father (thinking he was trying to reopen the case of his missing daughter).

I don't really know why they have not recovered Micki's body. I can only speculate that it had been 11 years since Micki's disappearance and there was no longer anything to recover or they just have not found the right spot or Irvin confessed to what they just wanted to hear and has no intentions of allowing her body to be recovered. Like I wrote before, Irvin worked on the rail tracks throughout Buchanan and Andrew counties and could have found a reclusive area anywhere.

"...Irvin was sentenced Oct. 3, 1991, after pleading guilty to killing Ms. Simmons, 33, by striking her with a hammer on Oct. 30, 1990; Ms. Rose, 31, by striking her on Sept. 1, 1990." It is eerily ironic that Ms. Simmons was killed with a hammer and Micki had carried a hammer for protection from Irvin.
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Ruth Ann was Micki Jo's sister-in-law and best friend (she was married to Ruth Ann's brother). Ruth Ann had a son by Irvin when she was about 15ish in 1976ish. Irvin was about 25. He had numerous underage "girlfriends" and children with those girls. Ruth Ann married Irvin in 1978/1979. Irvin was a drug addict and drug dealer and beat Ruth repeatedly over the course of their entire relationship. I witnessed one of those beatings before they were married and befriended Ruth for a short time. Ruth Ann was also a violent person and was known for battering other girls that Irvin had relationships (and children with). Ruth left Irvin shortly after they were married in 1979 and hid across the river from St. Joseph in Kansas in a motel with their son. According to police detectives, this infuriated Irvin and he knew that Micki Jo would know where Ruth was hiding and probably beat it out of her. That's why he accosted Micki on her way to work. Police detectives were told by Ruth that Irvin and two other men showed up at the motel shortly after Micki disappeared to retrieve Ruth and their son. Detectives theorized that Irvin was not alone when Micki was killed (thus the two men that were with him at the motel) and that perhaps one of those two men were responsible for leaving the notes at the Kansas City mall and mailing one to the newscaster about Micki Jo's murder. Irvin wasn't a police officer for very long. He was fired for using his gun when off duty. He worked for the railroad for several years and was indeed a very strong man. It is quite possible that Irvin buried Micki in a different location, considering his employment with the railroad throughout the area. He confessed to Micki's murder and revealed her burial spot in Kansas in a plea agreement for life in prison.
Thank you for posting here and for clarifying that Ruth was in fact Micki's sister-in-law. I'd had no idea that Micki was married. I wonder why UM neglected to mention this?

I'm sorry you had to witness one of the attacks. That must have been extremely traumatizing. Did you ever meet Micki?
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That really clears some things up. If Ruth was in hiding with their baby from Irvin, he had all the more reason to confront Mikki and dispose of her once he found out where Ruth was. No wonder she kept a hammer in her purse.

It's unfortunate that Mikki couldn't get some kind of police protection. She was a sitting duck having to walk two blocks to the bus station for work at 6:00 in the morning. Probably next to no witnesses out and about that early.

According to the Charley Project, once Irvin grabbed her off the street, he stabbed Mikki in the car four times before shooting her twice. The police later admitted that they screwed up their investigation by not attempting to search Irvin's car even though everyone close to the case knew he was responsible.
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It was poor police work unfortunately.

On a side note, I didn't know Thurman Mitchell died in 2000.

http://cjonline.com/stories/041200/new_newsman.shtml
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Just found this very interesting and detailed article about Micki Jo's disappearance from two years ago. The main investigator from the segment is interviewed. It talks about the case from the very beginning.

It gives you a very clear idea of what happened:

Ruth West, Micki's husband's sister, was married to Marvin Irvin and they had a four-year-old son. Irvin was a POS from the beginning, getting Ruth pregnant when she was just fifteen and he was in his twenties (he was also involved with another underage girl, but charges were never filed in either case). After he repeatedly abused Ruth, she left with their son and was staying at a motel. Only five people including Micki knew of their whereabouts.

Micki vanished and Ruth was found the same day by two of Irvin's friends. Police confirmed that none of the other four people told Irvin about Ruth's whereabouts. It is believed that Irvin abducted Micki as she walked to the bus stop. They believe he forced her to reveal Ruth's location and then killed her. Afterwards, he showed up at a girlfriend's home and told her that he killed Micki and had her body in his car. He then forced her to go with him and help dispose of the body. They then went to remote field and dumped the body.

The girlfriend was only 16 at the time and was obviously too scared to tell anyone. As a result, Irvin continued on with his life. He continued to abuse women; in 1988, he was arrested and convicted for assaulting one girlfriend. When questioned, she told police that he confessed to killing Micki. However, that wasn't enough for police at the time.

In 1990, after he was released from prison, two young woman, Patricia Rose and Crystal Simmons, vanished. Irvin later showed up at his sister's home with blood on him. She wrote to their brother, who was in prison. Fortunately, prison guards intercepted the letter and forwarded it to the police. They went to Irvin's home where they found jewelry belonging to the missing women. They searched his truck and found blood belonging to both women as well.

Later in 1990, Patricia and Crystal's bodies were found in a field. Irvin was known to hunt in the area and his family owned land nearby. Police tracked down and interviewed the girlfriend (from 1979) who finally admitted to them that she helped Irvin dispose of Micki's body. The field she mentioned was the same field where the other bodies were found.

Irvin pleaded guilty in 1991 after learning all of the evidence against him. Disturbingly, he blamed the victims for causing their own deaths (claiming that he killed Micki because she attacked him and called him a racial slur). He was sentenced to life without parole. The investigator interviewed believes that Micki's body was moved from the field to another location. He believes that Irvin wrote most of the letters and had other people write the other letters. He also believes that Irvin did this as a way of taunting police.

The investigator also mentioned that Micki's father contacted him a year or two ago to talk about Micki. Furthermore, he mentioned that he believes Irvin was involved in other murders, including one in which a similar confession letter appeared (also naming Irvin). However, he has only been convicted in three cases.
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The more details I find out about this case, the more shocked I am over how young so many of the parties involved were.

Ruth got pregnant by Irvin at 15, married him at 17 and divorced him at 18 while simultaneously fearing for her life and running away from him.

The unnamed girlfriend of Irvin who he forced to help him hide Mikki's body was 16.

Even Mikki herself was already married by age 19 and packing a hammer in her purse to defend herself from Irvin.

These people were soooooo young. I can't imagine dealing with all this madness as a teenager. And I also don't understand how this POS Irvin was able to go on living his normal life for as long as he did. He knocks up two underage girls (maybe even more) and neither family presses charges.

And how is it that there wasn't more of a reaction to a man in his mid-20s and into his 30s constantly dating all these underage girls? Was this not considered controversial in the 1970s?

There's too many instances where Irvin could have been given a much earlier punishment and so much of the damage he did could have been prevented, which includes Mikki's murder, but it didn't end up happening. It's maddening.
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Those were the days. Remember the Debbie Wolfe case when RS was in a room w/ several blown up shots of Debbie. These nice shots of a nice girl to contrast the creepy murder story. No show has come close to the creep factor of UM.

Holy crap! How wild is it to see your posts from 10 years ago!
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