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Old 08-02-2004, 12:15 AM   #16
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Default Here's Lucy did jump the shark

I love Lucy and all of her series, but in my opinion, I think "Here's Lucy" jumped the shark from day one. I think it would be better if a different storyline was created instead. I never really liked Lucy working with Gale Gordon in a office situation. It was already done before. I think if the two of them were in a different situation, like being married or brother and sister or working in a different enviroment, I think it give a different twist, maybe better storylines. Maybe if Lucy had more co-stars, or hired a whole new set of writers, but kept only few, maybe she would gain more interest and the series could have been a number 1 hit. Maybe if she hired Desi back and he helped with the scripts, the show could have been on top. I personally believe that Desi Arnaz was the man who made "I Love Lucy" what it is today. I think Lucy was just out there to sell it. But, Desi created it all, all she did was sell it. If that worked on "Here's Lucy", then it would be right up there with "I Love Lucy." That's my thoughts.
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:15 PM   #17
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I disagree,

You can't keep it fresh for over 20 years, and even if you could, the audience would eventually tire of you.

Remember, when Here's Lucy premiered it was the number one show on the air, and I believe it held onto that spot for for the next few airings until "Laugh In" premiered and became something of a phenomenon.

Also, if you just compare it to ILL, of course it jumped the shark from day one....Most shows would be day one jumpers if we compared it to ILL (the show most consider among the greatest of all time).
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Where did you get the info that HL was #1 when it premiered? I think you might be thinking of the last season of TLS, which ranked #2 that season, but had been #1 in late 1967...?

I'm just curious where you heard that since HL, to my knowledge, finished at #9 for 68-69, and with #1 ratings early in the run you'd think it would have done better...
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Where did you get the info that HL was #1 when it premiered? I think you might be thinking of the last season of TLS, which ranked #2 that season, but had been #1 in late 1967...?

I'm just curious where you heard that since HL, to my knowledge, finished at #9 for 68-69, and with #1 ratings early in the run you'd think it would have done better...

I know it finished #9 for the season, but I believe when it premiered and for at least one or two airings after the fact it was number one (Each week the show finished #1). Don't engrave that into cement...I'm not positive about it, but I do remember reading something similar to it (and yes I'm specifically talking about HL and not TLS). Maybe TV Guy (or someone else with knowledge of the ratings) will see this thread and confirm what I said or post something else entirely different.

IMO, whether I'm proven wrong or not, it's pretty good that Lucy, at the time, nearing her twentieth year on television playing the "Lucy" character was not only able to maintain top 10 ratings, but she did it airing against the #1 show.
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Old 09-14-2004, 05:09 AM   #20
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I think HL jumped when both of Lucy's kids were now gone from the show (last season or two). Lucie Arnaz was fabulous as Kim, even better than Desi Jr. was as Craig (though he had his moments too) and strong a presence was this Lucie. She could really carry a show, like her mother could. With both her kids gone from the show Lucy now had to turn to Gale Gordon extra heavily but it wasn't bad at all that way (though it was inferior to the show's beginnning).
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I never heard that HERE'S LUCY debuted in the #1 position. What I do know is that it was #1 for the 1970 season premiere when Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton guest starred. I do agree with your assessment of HERE'S LUCY managing to stay in the Top Ten while competing against the #1 show (ROWAN AND MARTIN'S LAUGH-IN). I can't think of any other time when two shows directly competing against one another were both able to land in the Top Ten. In the case of HERE'S LUCY, it managed to eventually knock LAUGH-IN out of that spot. While HERE'S LUCY was #9 in '68/'69, it crept up to #6 in '69/'70 (LAUGH-IN was still #1), then in 1970/71, it captured the #3 spot (and was again CBS's top-rated show), and LAUGH-IN was knocked down to #13. So after two years of being beaten by LAUGH-IN, Lucy was on top and was never again beaten out by LAUGH-IN.

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I know it finished #9 for the season, but I believe when it premiered and for at least one or two airings after the fact it was number one (Each week the show finished #1). Don't engrave that into cement...I'm not positive about it, but I do remember reading something similar to it (and yes I'm specifically talking about HL and not TLS). Maybe TV Guy (or someone else with knowledge of the ratings) will see this thread and confirm what I said or post something else entirely different.

IMO, whether I'm proven wrong or not, it's pretty good that Lucy, at the time, nearing her twentieth year on television playing the "Lucy" character was not only able to maintain top 10 ratings, but she did it airing against the #1 show.
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Old 10-03-2004, 03:16 PM   #22
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There is a reason Lucille Ball and Gale Gordon never played married characters. Lucille Ball once explained that she did not think viewers would ever accept her in the arms of anyone other than Desi. So that's why she always played widows after I LOVE LUCY. As for the office format already having been done before, remember that at the time HERE'S LUCY debuted, that situation had only been used for three years on THE LUCY SHOW. So it was still relatively new. I personally think the office situation on HERE'S LUCY was an improvement over the one on THE LUCY SHOW for a variety of reasons. First, because Lucy and Harry were related and he was uncle to her children, it made sense that he put up with her incompetance. Second, the "unusual jobs for unusual people" scenario of the Unique Employment Agency gave more legitimacy to the "unsual" situations Lucy Carter got herself into, and the "unusual" people (e.g., celebrities), as opposed to a bank. It was often difficult to understand why a bank secretary was trying to help a former boxer (played by Don Rickles) get back on his feet, while it was less difficult to understand why someone would go into the Unique Employment Agency and hire Lucy for the unusual job of helping a movie actress (i.e., an unusual person played by Shelly Winters) with her weight problem.

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I love Lucy and all of her series, but in my opinion, I think "Here's Lucy" jumped the shark from day one. I think it would be better if a different storyline was created instead. I never really liked Lucy working with Gale Gordon in a office situation. It was already done before. I think if the two of them were in a different situation, like being married or brother and sister or working in a different enviroment, I think it give a different twist, maybe better storylines. Maybe if Lucy had more co-stars, or hired a whole new set of writers, but kept only few, maybe she would gain more interest and the series could have been a number 1 hit. Maybe if she hired Desi back and he helped with the scripts, the show could have been on top. I personally believe that Desi Arnaz was the man who made "I Love Lucy" what it is today. I think Lucy was just out there to sell it. But, Desi created it all, all she did was sell it. If that worked on "Here's Lucy", then it would be right up there with "I Love Lucy." That's my thoughts.
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