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Old 11-21-2012, 08:31 PM   #286
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i guess eugene kvett isn't important to the authorities or kurt sova poor guys so sad how some people have to go but that's life.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:53 AM   #287
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i guess eugene kvett isn't important to the authorities or kurt sova poor guys so sad how some people have to go but that's life.

I think there's definitely other PD's that would have done a better job and other detectives that would have cared back in those days. The Newburgh Heights PD just was a crappy department that didn't do their job(s) competently (at least during that time period and it appears throughout much of the 1980's).
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i guess eugene kvett isn't important to the authorities or kurt sova poor guys so sad how some people have to go but that's life.
I think the Kvet case was easier to declare "closed" (if it has been - I'm not sure) because wasn't it determined that he died from falling into the ravine? Of course he could have been pushed but I can see how it could be ruled an accident. Sova, on the other hand ... I think it's fairly clear that he didn't just lie down and die in the spot where he was found. I don't attach a lot of significance to the missing shoes. Kvet easily could have lost a shoe falling to his death into the ravine, and Sova easily could have lost one while being dragged.

Looking at this police department's record and the investigation in this case, one can certainly understand the family's frustration.
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Wasn't there a book written about this case? If so, I would love to read it.
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i guess eugene kvett isn't important to the authorities or kurt sova poor guys so sad how some people have to go but that's life.
Maybe his parents turned down UM they turned down the plain dealer for an interview.
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Wasn't there a book written about this case? If so, I would love to read it.
Sadly no it's highly unlikely that this case will ever be solved the people who do know will most likely take it to their graves.
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Sadly no it's highly unlikely that this case will ever be solved the people who do know will most likely take it to their graves.
I see that your location is Cleveland. Did you live there at the time of Kurt's death (October 1981) or is that before your time?

There are three names mentioned in the 1991 Plain Dealer article of people who were at the duplex with Kurt when this happened:

-Samuel C. Carroll (supposedly walked there with Kurt)

-Clayton Sams (lived at the duplex)

-Debbie Sams (assuming her last name may have changed) (also lived at the duplex)

If someone would ever interview or talk with any of these people, maybe they could get to the truth.

The show Cold Justice (even though they focus primarily on murders in small towns) could probably make progress with this case. Just get Kelly Siegler, Johnny Bonds, Yolanda McClary and the gang to find these people (if they're still alive) and they'll get answers!
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I see that your location is Cleveland. Did you live there at the time of Kurt's death (October 1981) or is that before your time?

There are three names mentioned in the 1991 Plain Dealer article of people who were at the duplex with Kurt when this happened:

-Samuel C. Carroll (supposedly walked there with Kurt)

-Clayton Sams (lived at the duplex)

-Debbie Sams (assuming her last name may have changed) (also lived at the duplex)

If someone would ever interview or talk with any of these people, maybe they could get to the truth.

The show Cold Justice (even though they focus primarily on murders in small towns) could probably make progress with this case. Just get Kelly Siegler, Johnny Bonds, Yolanda McClary and the gang to find these people (if they're still alive) and they'll get answers!
I was born in 1990 but I have a Cleveland public library card that gives me access to past papers up to 1991 I've done some findings even found Kurt's obituary and his grandmother's who died in 1983 pretty bad police work. Even found a another article on Robert Carras the man who was head of the Newburgh heights police at the time of Kurt's death the man was corrupt as they come.
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I know it's widely believed on here that some combination of the duplex party-goers are responsible, but I still can't dismiss "The Crazy From Detroit". For these reasons.

1) he knew Kurt was dead before anyone else did.
2) he knew that Kurt's body would be found.
3) he knew when it would be found.
4) he knew the cause of death would be indeterminable
5) he tried to get Kurt's missing posters removed.
6) he threatened the record store clerk.

If all that doesn't scream guilty, I don't know what does.

I know most people believe there was some vast conspiracy by all the partygoers, but if they are responsible (and that's a big if), I feel it's probably limited to a select few individuals and not everyone that was there that night. Unless the party lasted more than one night, and unless Kurt died Friday night (the odds of both of those being true are pretty low) then most of the people at the party would initially be completely unaware of Kurt's passing. I just don't get the feeling that there are a dozen or more people who colluded together to keep quiet.
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I think "the crazy from Detroit" knew what happened to Kurt. I think there's 2 likely scenarios for his involvement.

1) He was in the ravine when Kurt's body was brought there. It might be that he was just there chillen, or smoking a real one, or maybe that's where he 'stayed' during his time in the town. He saw Kurt being transported and left there, checked the body after those who brought him were gone, found that he was dead, and decided to use the death for his own amusement (see: record store incident).

2) He was at the party and either saw Kurt in trouble/die, or actively participated in his demise. I tend to believe that if people were acting in a manner as to not be caught that it's unlikely they would enlist the help of a transient who no one really knew. In fact, it's much more likely that if they simply had bloodlust and wanted to murder someone that they would have murdered "the crazy from Detroit" instead of Kurt.

Personally, I lean towards scenario 1. Are we certain that the threat against the record store employee was made by "the crazy from Detroit," or is it just assumed that it was him? I think he knows what happened, but I don't think he planned, nor actively participated in, Kurt's death.

I think some, not all, of the partygoers know what happened to Kurt as well. There's probably some information that we aren't being told, but I tend to lean towards their involvement being circumstantial rather than sinister. I think Kurt likely had an unfavorable reaction to drugs or alcohol, and believing they would be in serious trouble if anyone found out, decided to play doctor instead of calling an ambulance. At some point, the call to Kurt's parents was made to either relieve someone's conscience (as in, they let them look, but if they didn't see IT then oh well, with IT being a clear sign that might lead them to Kurt) or as an attempt to take the heat off the duplex partygoers.

I feel terrible for the Sovas, as they seemed to be completely distraught. It's always sad when the exuberance of youth is eliminated through an untimely demise. Until the mystery is solved, though, what lessons can we learn?
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Personally, I lean towards scenario 1. Are we certain that the threat against the record store employee was made by "the crazy from Detroit," or is it just assumed that it was him? I think he knows what happened, but I don't think he planned, nor actively participated in, Kurt's death.
Kurt's body was placed in the ravine not too long before it was discovered. Kurt's father had checked it before and it wasn't there. It wasn't there for the 5 days Kurt was missing. Therefore, I doubt "The Crazy From Detroit" saw it placed there, then blabbed about it. I think it's more likely he had an involement in it. The segment states he threatened the record store clerk, so I take that as truth.
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Kurt's body was placed in the ravine not too long before it was discovered. Kurt's father had checked it before and it wasn't there. It wasn't there for the 5 days Kurt was missing. Therefore, I doubt "The Crazy From Detroit" saw it placed there, then blabbed about it. I think it's more likely he had an involement in it. The segment states he threatened the record store clerk, so I take that as truth.
My theory is "The Crazy from Detroit was the one supplying the drugs at the party which lead to Kurt's death as for why the crazy disappeared after Kurt's death my guess is he jumped on greyhound back to Detroit once he knew the police wanted him for more questioning.
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I know it's widely believed on here that some combination of the duplex party-goers are responsible, but I still can't dismiss "The Crazy From Detroit". For these reasons.

1) he knew Kurt was dead before anyone else did.
2) he knew that Kurt's body would be found.
3) he knew when it would be found.
4) he knew the cause of death would be indeterminable
5) he tried to get Kurt's missing posters removed.
6) he threatened the record store clerk.

If all that doesn't scream guilty, I don't know what does.

I know most people believe there was some vast conspiracy by all the partygoers, but if they are responsible (and that's a big if), I feel it's probably limited to a select few individuals and not everyone that was there that night. Unless the party lasted more than one night, and unless Kurt died Friday night (the odds of both of those being true are pretty low) then most of the people at the party would initially be completely unaware of Kurt's passing. I just don't get the feeling that there are a dozen or more people who colluded together to keep quiet.


The "wacko" might have been hanging out at the duplex for awhile and knew that they (maybe he was one of the two guys that carried Kurt's body) were planning on dumping his body soon if he died, because they didn't know what else to do, outside of calling the police and implicating themselves.

I tend to think that Kurt had a rare undetected medical condition in which he could not properly digest and release alcohol from his body: he drinks too much and he can't throw it up, so he passes out and goes into a coma. He's in a coma for 2 or 3 days, which lowers his BAC, but he still dies because he did not receive proper medical treatment. The coroner rules out alcohol poisoning because of Kurt's BAC, but he does not look into the possibility of Kurt having this medical condition. Since Kurt HAD this condition, that's why people at the party didn't quite know what truly happened to him. That's my theory.
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Possibly the worst example of a police investigation ever.

Too much work to actually talk to the people who were at the party?
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My theory is "The Crazy from Detroit was the one supplying the drugs at the party which lead to Kurt's death as for why the crazy disappeared after Kurt's death my guess is he jumped on greyhound back to Detroit once he knew the police wanted him for more questioning.
The police voluntarily dismissed him. If they had any desire to question him further, it was way after the fact.
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