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Old 02-18-2011, 09:47 AM   #196
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And what is the corrolation (if any) between Kurt's death and the death of his friend 3 months later? Very similar circumstances i.e. found in a ravine, no known cause of death, missing his right shoe. very strange?
I've read or seen some things about Eugene Kvett and it is thought that he had either fallen into the ravine (someone posted a pic before: where Eugene was found was in a MUCH DIFFERENT, MUCH STEEPER part of the ravine, where you could actually fatally fall; the area of the ravine where Kurt was found was a flat plain area) or that he might have been the target of a Cleveland/Newburgh Heights area gang at that time.

A newspaper article linked in this thread about Kurt said that two neighbor people saw two guys carrying someone (presumably Kurt) in the morning or afternoon one day just a few days before Halloween (it had to be sometime on either Tuesday, 10/27/81 or Wednesday, 10/28/81). They thought it was probably someone that had too much to drink (which is actually true) but didn't realize that he was probably already dead (or at least in a coma/unconscious) when the guys were carrying him out there.

A lot of us on here believe that Kurt was at the duplex the whole time he was "missing" and that "Susan" (and/or Debbie and Clayton Sams, two other people that lived there) just lied to his parents and they made sure they didn't find him when they went over there to look for him. It's possible that one of Kurt's shoes fell off somewhere in the duplex and they just hid it or got rid of it, or it might have fell off when the two guys were taking him out to the ravine and they just got rid of it after they finished putting his body out there.

As for Eugene's missing shoe, if the gang theory was true, that could explain away that they got rid of it, but if he accidentally fell, then you would think that the authorities would find it. But you have to remember, if you've read about this case or the newspaper article linked, it's very clear that the Newburgh Heights police department was a department that was full of people that were very crappy at their jobs in this time period, so perhaps they were too inept to find Kvett's shoe, or maybe it washed away in the stream, because where he was found, there was actually a stream of water.

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I always wondered why Eugene Kvet's case was only a tidbit towards the end of Kurt Sova's case.
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I've read or seen some things about Eugene Kvett and it is thought that he had either fallen into the ravine (someone posted a pic before: where Eugene was found was in a MUCH DIFFERENT, MUCH STEEPER part of the ravine, where you could actually fatally fall; the area of the ravine where Kurt was found was a flat plain area) or that he might have been the target of a Cleveland/Newburgh Heights area gang at that time.

A newspaper article linked in this thread about Kurt said that two neighbor people saw two guys carrying someone (presumably Kurt) in the morning or afternoon one day just a few days before Halloween (it had to be sometime on either Tuesday, 10/27/81 or Wednesday, 10/28/81). They thought it was probably someone that had too much to drink (which is actually true) but didn't realize that he was probably already dead (or at least in a coma/unconscious) when the guys were carrying him out there.

A lot of us on here believe that Kurt was at the duplex the whole time he was "missing" and that "Susan" (and/or Debbie and Clayton Sams, two other people that lived there) just lied to his parents and they made sure they didn't find him when they went over there to look for him. It's possible that one of Kurt's shoes fell off somewhere in the duplex and they just hid it or got rid of it, or it might have fell off when the two guys were taking him out to the ravine and they just got rid of it after they finished putting his body out there.

As for Eugene's missing shoe, if the gang theory was true, that could explain away that they got rid of it, but if he accidentally fell, then you would think that the authorities would find it. But you have to remember, if you've read about this case or the newspaper article linked, it's very clear that the Newburgh Heights police department was a department that was full of people that were very crappy at their jobs in this time period, so perhaps they were too inept to find Kvett's shoe, or maybe it washed away in the stream, because where he was found, there was actually a stream of water.

I hope this helps.
Thanks very much, that makes things much clearer for me. I live in Ireland but I follow the news in America a lot, especially crime, as it fascinates me. What happened to Kurt is very sad and it bemuses me that the police never charged anyone. I work in law enforcement myself and it doesn't seem like a difficult case to solve. In my opinion the police knew (or know) more than they would care to divulge
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I never believed the story about the guy claiming to leave Kurt on the fence after going outside for some air. How long would it take to go back upstairs, grab a jacket and come back outside? 2 minutes? Somehow during those two minutes, Kurt vanished? Yeah, right. If he was so disoriented that he could barely stand under his own power, there's not much chance that he could walk very far in just 2 minutes, never to be seen again. He would be found easily.

I think this guy made up this story to the Sovas to help cover Susan's ass. She didn't want it to be known that Kurt died on her property and that she knew where he was the entire time he was missing. She wanted it to look like he wandered off somewhere else and died.
I agree the jacket story is pretty implausible. Alcohol intoxication lends to sluggishness, slowed reaction time, poor coordination, and nausea. You'd hardly go be-bopping away from the fence never to be seen again in two minutes.

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Of course, that doesn't explain why she called the Sovas and told them Kurt might be in her basement. If you think someone's in your basement, common sense would be to check yourself to see who it is or call the police. That was obviously a smoke screen on Susan's part as well.
I wish we knew more about the context of that conversation, but that always seemed to me like another ploy to cover herself--maybe an attempt to paint the situation as Kurt intentionally hiding out from his parents. I think Kurt was there the entire time, of course.



I never found the duplex in Newburgh Heights when I was there. Does anyone know how far away it is from the ravine behind the J.L. Goodman warehouse?
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I never found the duplex in Newburgh Heights when I was there. Does anyone know how far away it is from the ravine behind the J.L. Goodman warehouse?
The segment said they were just 500 yards apart.
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The segment said they were just 500 yards apart.
D'oh! Thanks, I'd forgotten that somewhere.
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There's pictures of the duplex and the ravine (sort of, the old J.L. Goodman building is in one of the pics and it's in front of one of the entrances into the ravine) in the "UM Location Pictures" thread.

I don't know if you ever drove on Harvard Avenue while you were there Meg, but I believe that street/road is supposed to take one through the majority of the Newburgh Heights section of Cleveland. The duplex (if you're facing the front of it) is to the left to the old Goodman building somewhere along Harvard Avenue.
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Could Kurt have died from something as simple as dehydration?

He was drinking, and if he did get "sick" (I assume they meant he starting vomiting), he would have lost fluids. He could have passed out from the alcohol, and people at the party brought him down to the basement to sleep it off. Maybe he was unconscious for a long enough period of time that he was too weak to even move if he did regain consciousness. I think the human body can only survive 72 hours without water. He is later found deceased in the basement and moved to the ravine. This might explain why there weren't any substances found in the autopsy.

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Could Kurt have died from something as simple as dehydration?

He was drinking, and if he did get "sick" (I assume they meant he starting vomiting), he would have lost fluids. He could have passed out from the alcohol, and people at the party brought him down to the basement to sleep it off. Maybe he was unconscious for a long enough period of time that he was too weak to even move if he did regain consciousness. I think the human body can only survive 72 hours without water. He is later found deceased in the basement and moved to the ravine. This might explain why there weren't any substances found in the autopsy.

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EXCELLENT point. It's very plausible, I think. There'd be alcohol present in his system, but it might explain why a dangerously excessive amount didn't exist.

Or perhaps someone even encouraged him to drink far too much water, which can be fatal. I knew a person who nearly lost his life by water intoxication.
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This case still bothers me the most. I've been having dreams about it in recent months, but they don't really make any sense, especially ones where I'm back in that time period (1981), since I wasn't even conceived when this went down.

This seems to be as much as we still know:

-Kurt had someone buy him a bottle of Everclear; we know he started drinking it at his girlfriend's house (he skipped school that Friday), but we have no idea how much of it he drank there: why was this "girlfriend" never interviewed, either for the UM segment or the Cleveland Plain-Dealer 1991 article?

-we have no idea if Kurt was already drunk when he left his gf's to meet with Samuel Carroll to walk to the party at the duplex; at the least, he still had to be buzzed with how potent Everclear is

-we don't know if he brought the bottle of Everclear with him (presuming he hadn't finished it), or if he just drank whatever was at the party

-we actually don't know for sure if he got sick, either; he could have just went from being really drunk or whatever to passing out, depending on how much he drank or if he was given or took other drugs

-he definitely had to have been at the duplex the whole time; no f-ing way he went to the fence and walked-off, no; when Kurt's Mom came by the first time (Saturday? or Sunday?), he was probably in the basement on the cot; they never got him medical attention and he probably died there

-two guys move his body, probably on Tuesday evening 10/27/81 (probably shortly after Kurt's dad checked that ravine area, lucky for them)

-Kurt's body is found on Wednesday 10/28/81

This case will never fail to frustrate me due to completely inept Newburgh Heights police department. If they had done their job right, they probably could have solved this case and made some arrests within a week or two of his death.
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I think this may have been pointed out already but an interesting tidbit from the 1991 article.


"I seen them taking a boy down the alley. It was just before Halloween," said Reddicks, who said she witnessed the scene one afternoon from a window in her house on Washington Park Blvd. "One foot was barefoot. I'm almost sure it was the right one. I figured: 'Couple teen-agers with a couple beers too many and they're probably trying to sober up.'

A few days later, Reddicks learned that Kurt's body had been found in the ravine. But she said she never told police what she saw because her husband told her, "You know, Mom, we gotta mind our business."
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I think this may have been pointed out already but an interesting tidbit from the 1991 article.


"I seen them taking a boy down the alley. It was just before Halloween," said Reddicks, who said she witnessed the scene one afternoon from a window in her house on Washington Park Blvd. "One foot was barefoot. I'm almost sure it was the right one. I figured: 'Couple teen-agers with a couple beers too many and they're probably trying to sober up.'

A few days later, Reddicks learned that Kurt's body had been found in the ravine. But she said she never told police what she saw because her husband told her, "You know, Mom, we gotta mind our business."
I think this could be the most crucial piece of information to have come from this case and since I first became aware of it (around two years ago) I have believed that Kurt probably became incapacitated at the party and his body was then moved to the ravine and that is what this witness saw.
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"I think this could be the most crucial piece of information to have come from this case and since I first became aware of it (around two years ago) I have believed that Kurt probably became incapacitated at the party and his body was then moved to the ravine and that is what this witness saw."

Agreed, so I think everyone can throw out the Kurt and Samuel C. Carroll going out to the fence and Kurt wandering off story, as well as the Kurt being supposedly seen by David Trusnick and yelling for someone named Franco story. I wonder if the creepy guy that stopped at the record store around that time (and told them to take down the missing persons poster of him because he'll be found dead is 2 days) was one of the guys that was carrying him to the ravine.
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Newburgh heights are not the greatest police department let me tell that It's pretty much a speed trap there pretty much lazy cops.
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Newburgh heights are not the greatest police department let me tell that It's pretty much a speed trap there pretty much lazy cops.
Yep, we figured that out, especially in the '80's. The newspaper article in this thread discusses that in greater detail. They did absolutely nothing when it came to investigating and interviewing people regarding Kurt's "disappearance" and death.
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