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Old 11-17-2010, 11:28 AM   #151
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If this was a simple O/D why are all the parties involved so secretive about it??? There's something more to this!
A simple OD involving an underage individual with alcohol he obviously didn't purchase. It's not a wonder at all there seemed to be a great effort to cover it up, especially if the individual(s) who had given Kurt the alcohol had prior arrests, convictions, were on parole, or were otherwise trying to keep his/her/their head(s) down.
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For the record, I tend to agree with some of you. I've reflected on this case for years now, and I've pretty summarily come to the conclusion Kurt died from either some sort of poisoning--alcohol or otherwise--or asphyxiation on vomit, and the parties involved probably tried to keep him hidden for a few days before finally deciding to just leave his body in the ravine, too. It's the most logical explanation given the information in the segment and in the articles I found. I tend to discount the eyewitness testimony from Kurt's friend.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:12 PM   #153
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"I tend to discount the eyewitness testimony from Kurt's friend."

Agreed, as has been learned from watching UM, "eyewitness accounts" are very often not accurate. There were probably plenty of teenagers walking around with the same kind of haircut, etc. and kinda looked like Kurt at the time and David Trusnick wanted to believe he saw Kurt.

In fact, I think I saw Kurt, towards the beginning of "Fast Times At Ridgemont High". He was one of the teenagers talking with Mike Damone in front of the Hallmark store at that mall. So, how could be in a state of unconsciousness or worse at the time when he was making some kind of deal with Damone? hmm....
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:31 PM   #154
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A simple OD involving an underage individual with alcohol he obviously didn't purchase. It's not a wonder at all there seemed to be a great effort to cover it up, especially if the individual(s) who had given Kurt the alcohol had prior arrests, convictions, were on parole, or were otherwise trying to keep his/her/their head(s) down.
The statute of limitations would have expired long ago on any minor offences that would have been committed so theres no reason not to come forward now and give everybody closure.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:58 AM   #155
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This case has always stood out as a particularly eerie one for me. As has already been mentioned, the grieving parental subtext needs to be recognized. It seems very likely that Kurt was involved in drugs (to what extent is unknown), and the circumstances of any untimely death of a child is bound to make a parent feel guilty/ashamed/saddened beyond belief. I think much of the "eerieness" of the episode comes from the suspicions and accusations made by the mother, who was probably in such disbelief over the situation herself that she needed to be in disbelief of the people she questioned. I have to put myself in the shoes of the woman who hosted the party--imagining a grieving and furious parent on my doorstep, asking me questions about a party. In all likelihood, like so many high school parties, there was underage drinking and drug use. Whether Kurt was involved in this, and whether this led to his death is not necessarily the only reason the woman wouldn't have been fully forthcoming. On top of that, even if the woman had been even a little deceptive or misleading, Kurt's mother would have likely clung to this in the hopes of understanding the cause of her son's death.

Though I'm wary of creating conspiracy theories here, I think the effects of hard drug use on a small town/community can explain a lot of this story. For one thing, your theory about Kurt's death makes a lot of sense. Many OD-ed people are abandoned by friends, or hidden and not given appropriate medical care. If there was some kind of bad dose of hard drugs going around the town this might even explain the death of Eugene Kveit. We really don't know much about what kinds of issues were affecting young people in the town at the time, and many small communties have suffered from a series of drug deaths linked (directly or indirectly) to a particular trend in drug use.

I almost entirely discount a lot of the doubletalk going on about Kurt being at the party, staying in the basement, etc. To me, it sounds like the woman who hosted the party may have had quite a drug habit herself, and she honestly might have had people staying in the house, attending impromptu parties, etc. all the time--it's part of that drug-induced lifestyle.

I really think that so many of these UM cases involving a child's death really become a crusade for the parents to console themselves over these tragic losses by creating mystery and intrigue to ameliorate the pain of such unexpected and seemingly senseless loss.

For all we know, Kurt could have had a very regular drug habit, as could his friends. His friends could have been equally inclined to discount this fact to protect themselves, or lift some of their guilt in Kurt's death.
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All the people at the party probably made a pact, saying we'll never speak of this again. Like in that movie "I Know What You Did Last Summer"
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1) Kurt's friend said he went to get Kurt's jacket. Knowing teenagers, it must have been pretty cool outside for him to have worn a jacket. Since he wasn't found wearing a jacket, then exposure would have been a factor.

2) I've never held too much faith in the coroner's time of death estimation. If he used insect infestation as the method then the cool weather could have offset that. And if he used the decay of the body, then that could also have been offset by the cool weather.IMHO, a lot of the "mystery" involved w/ this case comes from the coroner's reporting the time of death.

3) The "sighting" by his friend was probably a red herring or a mistake by his friend. Especially since he didn't state that Sova acknowledged him or even talked to him. Also, Sova took a ride from from a stranger and not one from his friend that pulled over to give him one?

4) While the show portrayed the woman in whom's house the party took place as a "druggie" and a low-life, I can think of a number of reasons (some legal, some illegal) why she wouldn't want to get involved or have people search her home.

In fact, I think that Sova's father (and yes I can understand he was desperate) may have damaged any case the police would have been able to make by searching the home by himself. Nothing he found could have been used and defense lawyers could even claim that he planted evidence.

Having watched this segment several times, my "gut feeling" is that this case falls into one of three areas:

1) Accidental death from exposure due to excessive alcohol or drug usage.
2) Accidental death from excessive alcohol and/or drug usage and the body was dumped in the area by party goers that feared arrest.
3) Involuntary manslaughter when party goers dumped the still alive Sova in a remote area and he succumb to exposure and/or excessive drug/alcohol intake.

Only the last two would result in criminal charges being filed, which at this late date seems unlikely w/o DNA evidence or some type of confession.
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All the people at the party probably made a pact, saying we'll never speak of this again. Like in that movie "I Know What You Did Last Summer"
I agree and apparently they've done a pretty good job of it since no one has heard them slip up and tell the truth for 29 years.
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3) Involuntary manslaughter when party goers dumped the still alive Sova in a remote area and he succumb to exposure and/or excessive drug/alcohol intake.
This seems very plausible. Maybe they waited for three days hoping he would come to and then out of fear decided to dump him in the ravine.
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This seems very plausible. Maybe they waited for three days hoping he would come to and then out of fear decided to dump him in the ravine.
That's true! I hadn't really considered that he could have still been alive (although unconscious) when the duplex people (two guys, as the newspaper article previously linked mentions) dumped him out in the ravine. In fact, Kurt's father (RIP as well) said that when he saw him at the morgue shortly after his death one thing he really noticed was how cold he looked, maybe moreso than he would have looked if he was already deceased when placed in the ravine?
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I am posting again after looking and reading through this thread again. This is probably my all-time number one case, I don't know why, but anyways... I have been obsessed lately w/ finding the locations of different UM cases, as it is almost detective work in itself, ha! Some of these locations are quite difficult. Anyways:

I was able to locate the previous location of the J.L. Goodman furniture store that was mentioned in the news articles. Kurt was supposedly dumped behind this location in the ravine. The location on Google streetview is: 3201 Harvard Ave., Newburgh Heights, OH

Now, when you are looking at this location on streetview, you can actually (on the same side of the street) go to the left for a minute and you will actually come across the duplex where Kurt attended the party and was last seen alive. I am amazed that I had actually found this location and it looks almost exactly as it did in the UM segment!

I also had found Kurt's house, but I won't post that for privacy reasons...

Hopefully this helps some people, as I always find it very entertaining to see the locations as they are today!
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Your exactly right about his parents piecing everything together. In this case though I think that is all UM had to go on, being that the police never seemed to question anyone involved. As far as the parents throwing a wrench into the investigations, I think you would actually have to have an investigation to have a wrench thrown in it. From what we have been presented with there is no evidence of any investigation on the part of the police.
this was such an interesting case and i really feel bad for kurt and what happened to him that night at the party if something did happen at the party since i am very young i now know that things like that are dangerous dealing with drugs and drinking. i just hope the police figures out what really happened to kurt sova on the day that he died. r.i.p. kurt sova
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I really think that so many of these UM cases involving a child's death really become a crusade for the parents to console themselves over these tragic losses by creating mystery and intrigue to ameliorate the pain of such unexpected and seemingly senseless loss.
In some cases, yes. But I don't think the Sova's were trying to create more mystery to ease the pain over losing their son. They simply wanted to know how Kurt died and who put his body in the ravine.

What had to have been most frustrating for the Sova's was the conflicting stories they were told. The worst coming from Susan, the owner of the duplex. First she tells Dorothy that she had never seen Kurt and that she didn't have a party. Then, only after she knew she had been caught lying by the pizza boy and other party members, did she call Dorothy back and admit to having a party and that Kurt might have been there.

Despite the eye witness sightings and the crazy from Detroit, Dorothy Sova admitted in the segment that Kurt was most likely drinking and possibly doing drugs at the party and he died from that. The party members panicked and eventually dumped his body in the ravine. No mystery about that except who they were. Just a few short answers could have done a world of difference for the grieving parents. It's already painful enough to lose a child. But knowing that there are people in the neighborhood that know all the answers about your child's death that you don't know...that must magnify the pain to extreme levels.
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Wasn't there an autopsy, and wasn't cause of death undetermined? With such a recent death, wouldn't drugs have shown up?
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Wasn't there an autopsy, and wasn't cause of death undetermined? With such a recent death, wouldn't drugs have shown up?
I don't know if they would have still been in his system since he was missing for days. I think he just had some weird reaction to some type of drug at the party and eventually died from it. The reason his father never found him in the ravine where he would eventually be found was that he was placed there after he died.
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