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View Poll Results: Boned When...
The Conners Win The Lottery 3 27.27%
Final Season - All A Dream Or A Story, Written by Roseanne. 0 0%
Day 1 2 18.18%
John Goodman No Longer Regular - No Dan to Balance Trainwreck! 0 0%
Dan Cheats on Roseanne 0 0%
Season 6 and beyond - The characters and humor changed. 4 36.36%
Never Boned 0 0%
Same Character Different Actor - Sarah Chalke Replaces Lecy Goranson 0 0%
Musical Numbers - Singing Dancing Episode - We Love Roseanne - BTF 1 9.09%
The Wedding (A Very Special) - Dan's Heart Attack 1 9.09%
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    THE ENTIRE LAST SEASON. WHICH UNLIKE NEWHART DID NOT SET UP A JUMP BACK.
    The minute they cast Roseanne
    When, after setting up a wonderful crisis where the Conners were out of money and the electricity was being shut off, and Becky had just run off with Mark, they suddenly solved everything by having Roseanne's mom help them buy the loose meat place. Bringing back that ridiculous fake Becky made it unwatchable, but the loose meat place was the first death knell.
    This show jumped when Roseanne and Tom Arnold split up. As talentless as Tom seems, there was something about their combo that grounded Roseanne and their collaboration brought some of the funniest episodes on the show. When they broke up and Tom was not allowed near the set any longer, Roseanne's ego went even farther amok and the stories gradually became less and less funny, and more and more unreal.
    It all started with the Halloween episode... Roseanne got to write whatever the hell she wanted, and she did! You'll notice that in the final episodes, the ones with Dan in them are like regular episodes (i.e. "good"), but when Dan's not around, Roseanne is fighting terrorists on a train.
    I used to love and watch this show religiously - but why did everyone become gay? How believeable is it that Landford suddenly became this gay haven? I just stopped watching when I could no longer logically follow any of the storylines - Darlene became just a bitch, the "smart" becky started working at "Hooters" or whatever and putting up what's his name, and then Jackie stopped sleeping around and doing her laundry at the Conner's and for the love of God - bought a HOUSE!? and started getting old, and then finally Roseanne getting rich and splitting up with Dan . . . I tried to hang, but it just became too much - no one could identify with any of the characters, and they weren't people you wished you were, so why watch?
    Roseanne definitely jumped when they won the lottery the whole point the whole point of the show was that they were an "average" suburban family after the lottery roseanne is in that photo shoot in the tub o' money Dan leaves etc etc it turns into a soap opera.
    Frequently brilliant, if choppy. The whole thing went to pot with the lottery storyline and the nonsense which followed. Really a pretty sad ending to a respectable body of work.
    The day the Fake Becky set foot on the set.
    Roseanne has got to be one of the most disgusting women in the history of television. Her voice is more irritating than Fran Drescher's and I never found her amusing. She gives trailer trash a bad name.
    This show started out pretty mediocre, got really good around the time Roseanne started working at the diner and Dan opened up the bike shop and then somewhere around the last couple of years just got pathetic. You'd watch every week hoping THIS episode would be a good one but you were just about always disappointed. When the show was good it was great which made those last few years seem all the worse in comparison. I do think special mention should go to Laurie Metcalf (Jackie). She was just wonderful. Go back and watch the episode where she's in Cyrano De Bergerac and you'll see the consumate comedienne. I wonder what she's doing nowadays?
    After Roseanne got pregnant, won the lottery, and her mom came out of the closet!!!
    It does every show. There are always new and hilarious things happening every single show.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery. The show really got stupid after that.
    When Darlene got married, and the humor was no longer focused on the family, the shark jumped! Because we didn't care about Darlene's new husband, he was not funny!
    The show jumped the shark when they won the lottery because the plot was half way gone and it wasnt fun anymore especially when they went to disney world.
    When they won the lottery and their lifestyle changed. They were funny as a white trashy family trying to cope with the daily challenges and making it funny. They weren't fit to win. They didn't look good winning. It was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
    When suddenly everyone, even DARLENE was having a baby. PLEASE! the show just lost that sharp, cutting edge of reality-based humor.
    Show was terrible from Day One mainly because of Roseannes attitude both on and off the show. Cna't believe it lasted one season let alone eight. No accounting for some peoples taste.
    The network that showed ROSEANNE nust have been terribly desperate to allow such a low class person to have her own show. I got a kick out of the way they tried to put in a dramatic monologue here and there to make it look like she actually gave a s*** about her family!! Roseanne was without a doubt the WORST TV mother I have ever seen!!!!! She did nothing to support her children and set terrible examples for them as well. Her father dies and she goes to a bar and gets drunk out of her mind. Her daughter needed a prom dress and "Rosie" couldn't afford the $60 price tag, but she could afford to let Dan buy a $60 pair of shoes. Then there's the time when she dressed like a guy and got kissed in a gay bar. Well, what do you expect? She had no straight friends! Even her boss was gay! Oh, and I LOVED the way she stole all those supplies from the restaurant she worked at. Great example to set for your kids! Dan was the good one. And as far as him leaving her? ! Hey, if I had a wife like that, I'd do the same thing!!
    At first you think the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery, but if you think back, it was when baby Jerry was born on that Horrific Halloween Episode. Usually everyone looked forward to the Halloween Episodes. In that season there were only a few keepers. Then the lottery and dreadful last season came when the show truly became sad. Like another person who wrote this, I kept watching hoping this show would be the one where things got back on track. Unfortunately they never did.
    I really think having 2 Becky's was a brilliant idea. It shows that the show didn't take itself too seriously. The parody of The Patty Duke Show opening was brilliant - one of the funniest things on tv in years.
    This show jumped when Roseanne and Dan decided to try to have a fourth child. People at their age with limited income do not plan another pregnancy when most of their children are grown. Up until that time I thought Roseanne was one of the most realistic examples of typical family life. Oh, and to that person who thought Roseanne was a bad example to her kids, go back and watch Leave it to Beaver. Roseanne was certainly not the best mother but she was probably closer to the truth than many shows.
    How pathetic can a show get? The writers realize they screwed up so the Lottery season was a dream. How original.
    When they brought in new cast members and devoted huge chunks of screen time to them. The new cast was just awful, especially the mother (shrill and grating), Darlene's boyfriend (zzzzz) and Becky's boyfriend (insipid). Roseanne needed better foils.
    Roseanne has never been funny, just a big ball of self-promotion, who began to use the show to get what she couldn't always get in life, respect. Darlene & Dan were always the best parts of the show, sadly marginalized by her...Pfah on Roseanne!
    It seems like everyone suddenly becomes gay (Roseannes mom, Roseanne, Roseannes sister) in this show. Also, that was the basis of the shows jokes for a long time. I love this show, but the last season sucked.
    In the 1980's, the mecca of shark jumping was Hawaii (and to a lesser extent, the Carribean). Whenever sitcom writers ran out of ideas for plots, they would stick the main characters on a plane and send them off on a vacation to the islands. I believe either the Brady Bunch or I Dream of Jeannie started the craze, and the plotline has been driven into the ground ever since. Mama's Family, Growing Pains, the Jeffersons, Martin, Happy Days (duh), Full House (although this show was jumped from the start) and others have suffered greatly as a result of their visits to the tropic shores, because it was proof that the writers had run out of things for them to do. Then, in the early 90's, Walt Disney World became the heir apparent to the shark jumping crown, with Full House (them again?), Roseanne, Family Matters and many more to come, I'm afraid. Of course, with the rate Disney is buying up networks, don't be surprised if EVERY show winds up being based from some part of the! Disney Empire. Can you imagine the cast of NYPD Blue patrolling Main Street, USA? Scary....
    This is my favorite show of all time, but when the new Becky came, that was ridiculous! I love the beginning before the real Becky left. But I also like the last season when she returned. Is there anywhere where I could purchase a set of all the shows?
    When the original Becky came back. Neither could act their way out of a paper bag, but the second Becky was much better looking. The first Becky never looked older than about 12. The one bright moment about bringing her back was everyone asking "Where the Hell have you been?"
    The lottery episode is when it went downhill. Who would have thought that white trash would suddenly "clean up" after winning the lottery. I liked the show because of the realism of the characters. It just got stupid. And what kind of ending was that, anyway?
    As Someone posted before - The Birth of Jerry was absolutely ridiculous and a poor excuse for a television show! But the thing that really gets me is that up until that episode Roseanne's baby was supposed to be a girl! Why the change when there was absolutely NO REASON except to have Roseanne's Real Baby featured on the show! Pathetic.
    When becky had a new actress...
    Roseanne was the only depiction of a struggling working class family that america could tolerate. American economic philosophy is based on puritanism; if you work you get God loves you and you will be rewarded, (even though millions of americans work very hard and still get only 2 weeks holiday a year), and so they won the lottery. Ridiculous and it alienated millions who don't win the lottery. It was a wonderful show until Rosanne thought that everyone in america could be a Winner cause she was. Not so. Winners rely upon losers.
    This is by far the saddest case on this entire site. What was once one of the greatest shows ever takes one of the most pathetic jumps in TV history. And then they catch an unbelievable updraft! The saddest part is that they had the opportunity to end the show somewhat respectably, but greed got the best of them and they hung on for one more atrocious, slapdash season. The episode where Dan has a heart attack at Darlene's wedding was supposed to be the series finale. We were supposed to be left to wonder if Dan died or not. Even if they had them finding the winning lottery ticket for the last episode and left it at that, it would have been an acceptable finale. Fact is, with most of the kids grown up, there was really nowhere else for the show to go. That last season was strictly for the money. I think the baby was made a boy because originally, he was going to be born at a Grateful Dead concert, but then Jerry Garcia died. They changed the baby to a boy named Jerry as a tribute. I think. I like the fake Becky. She was the only redeeming factor in many episodes. What was going on in the final episode? I didn't quite get that ending. All of the sudden the girls have switched husbands and Roseanne says something insinuating that the whole series run was some book she wrote(?) Can anyone elaborate?
    You could hear the jaws of the shark snap shut in the silence of the Last Supper. Jackie takes Roseanne's advice to make Fred a romantic dinner to spark their relationship. It's a failure. Fred and Jackie have nothing to say. Jackie says she thinks it's over. Fred agrees and says he'll pack after dinner. This marked the death of the show. After this, Darlene and David reunite, Roseanne and Dan imagine being on Gilligan's Island and bust a bar mitzvah, the new restaurant opens across the street, the first Becky returns, etc. The aforementioned episode is the starting point.
    In the first season, Roseanne was at the top of the ratings for good reason. Then when her psychiatric hospitalization as a teenager was revealed, her career, and the show went downhill. It became too soapy, although there WERE a few good episodes occasionally.
    I KNOW I SOUND as queer as the characters, but I loved this show. I really thought it was hysterical when the first Becky came back, and the family was like "where the hell have you been? it seems like we haven't seen you in years!" That was hysterical, yet I haven't seen the lottery one- but it actually sounds pretty stupid. Plus what was up with all the gayiety and babies? (i.e. fat little Jerry Garcia) WHO NAMES THEIR KID GERRY GARCIA?!?!?
    This show jumped the shark the moment they knocked up Darlene. It was such a betrayal. Sara Gilbert's portrayal of Darlene was possibly one of the best ever of a teen girl. She was hysterical and in complete control of her relationship with David. She was the Conner who was going to make it out of Lanford. I just couldn't stomach Darlene being trapped in Lanford and not continuing with art school. By the way, finding out that Darlene was actually with Mark was just too much to take. Darlene would never tolerate Mark's stupidity.
    Fat sarcastic ugly people are not funny. Its sad.
    Just because a show sometimes is very funny, and other times deals with serious life experiences, doesn't mean it jumped. In response to the person who didn't quite get the final episode... Here's the thing. Sometimes when life deals you a crappy hand, you wish you could re-write it. You see, Dan did die on Darlene's wedding day. There's the crappy hand. Remember the episodes after, when Dan was cheating on Roseanne with his mom's health care worker? Roseanne felt cheated on when he died. She decided to be angry at Dan because he cheated on her, rather than deal with the reality that she felt cheated because he was dead. They never really won the lottery. Roseanne was fantasizing in her mind to avoid the dark reality that she was a widow. In the final episode where everything returns to normal (ie old couch and blanket) It shows us that nothing really changed. You can dream and write in a book, but it doesn't change reality. The stuff between Dan's death and the final episode was something of a voyage of self discovery, (or denial) for the Roseanne character. Every show has to end sometimes, and when it does, there will always be someone to scream, "That ending SUCKED!", glad it is gone; when truth be told, that person loved the show and was sad to see it go, and to proud to admit it. Sour grapes indeed!
    When they won the lottery and Dan left to take care of his mother and fell in love with her nurse... after that the show was one stupid fantasy episode after another... then you find out that Dan DIED from his heart attack! John Goodman was the best thing about that show - it BLEW when he became a recurring character!
    "Roseanne" started to markedly decline around the time the new Becky came in, though it had nothing really to do with her. The last season was TERRIBLE and ruined what was otherwise the best, most realistic
    the new becky stunk and also when the conners won the lottery.
    This was a brilliant show. Definitely one of my all time favorites. The new Becky would have been a problem except that they did a great job of using it for comedy.
    When Darlene got pregnant. I thought it was bad enough when Becky moved to the trailer park, but Darlene's pregnancy with that curly-haired leech was disturbing.
    Series Finale -- the show jumped the shark when it is revealed that not only was the final season (the one with lottery win & lyrics to the normally instrumental theme song) was a FANTASY (taking the "Bobby Ewing is NOT dead"-type of 80's crapped-out writer's backed into corner scenario even further) They did not really win the lottery--Roseanne Connors appears back on the stinky plaid couch telling us via long-winded feminist speech narration that she was really a widow now and says she had been writing for therapy- (being a writer was the long held dream of her character's since high school) She tells us that DAN died around the time Darlene was indeed married...but wait-- in "REAL LIFE" Darlene married MARK-the idiot she could boss around; and smart BECKY married David the sensitive sweet one. And in REAL LIFE her sister JACKIE was gay--and not a neurotic klutz with "man" issues... We are told by "Roseanne Connor" that all the family stories (we watched the previous 8 seasons) were actually variations on the reality of her "REAL" blue collar life. Therefore-the viewer never knew the "REAL" Roseanne-the character and Roseanne-the Star was pretty much SPITTING in the faces of the fans who loved those old shows and characters and made her RICH! What a crock of artsy fartsy surrealistic ****. She could've made the FINAL "lottery" season a fantasy --but then telling us the dynamics of the family were A FANTASY too???!! Here's a better idea...."ROSEANNE - the sitcom" fans will PRETEND the FINAL silly EPISODE NEVER AIRED and that the characters in later shows became cartoons because the actors got tired & greedy & stayed for the money and not the integrity of the show. Notice how after the show became a top ten hit and the cast got rich--RoseAnne felt more comfortable referring to herself and her tv family as white trash, Blue Collar & poor people liked The Connors and made it #1.... Suddenly RoseAnne is calling her family white trash--so I guess the people who identified were TRASH too ??
    roseanne jumped the shark as soon as she started dieting and getting cosmetic surgery, the show from then on went painfully downhill. I may be crazy but I thought tom arnold was pretty funny. Does anyone else?
    To me the show started to jump the shark when Roseanne and Sara Gilbert (Darlene) had nose jobs. The show started to lose it's white trash charm it just became like every other Hollywood show Roseanne got fake. But the show really got bad when Fred (Jackie's Boyfriend) joined the cast he was a bore and Roseanne became more of an ogre. When Jackie married Fred I had enough of the show never to watch my favorite show again until the series finale which was a bad end to a show that had started off good.
    This is how it works, folks-- This show was absolutely terrific! It was funny because the main characters WERE sarcastic and crude. If you have a problem with it, go watch the Disney channel or worse yet, go watch "Full House". Personally I'd like to see the Olsen twins star in a very special episode in which the Conners feast on those two insipid brats for dinner! I loved Roseanne. Yes, she did decide to keep it going longer than our nostalgic memories would like, and she tripped out and lost it the last few seasons. But I will always respect her because she did what she wanted to do, she did it her way. You may not like the fact that she basically told her viewers to get BENT, but you have to respect the woman for being on and getting the ratings as long as she did. I love you Roseanne!
    Say all you want about the entire cast coming out of the closet, or the fifteen different actresses who played Becky during any given season...what killed this show was the ridiculous lottery storyline during the woeful final season. Sure, much has been made about taking the Connors "out of their element" and making them rich...but if this situation were handled better, it might have actually been a good season. Instead, we were treated to ridiculous visits to spas, a horrible Jerry Springer episode, pointless cameos (James Brolin? JIM VARNEY?) and completely unrealistic storytelling. I find it difficult to believe that the Connors would have lived in that same house in Lanford, Illinois if they had all that cash. And what the hell was that episode with the terrorists all about? Awful awful awful. The final "it was all a dream" type episode was a cop-out. I truly think that the final season should have dealt directly with Dan's death WITHOUT the lottery...but if the lottery idea had to occur, it could have been written WAY better than it was. A sad and pathetic end to what was once an often brilliant show.
    Am I the only one that has noticed that the character of David was introduced in an earlier episode with the name "Kevin?" Also, why was Laurie Metcalf replaced by Don Knotts during the last two seasons? And what the hell was with the god-awful vocal version of the theme song during the final season (by none other than Blues Traveller?) As if that last year wasn't bad enough....
    When they did that lottery crap, that was stupid. Darlene got pregnant and that was dumb too. So was roseanne's new baby. I loved that show, I grew up watching it, being a little under Darlene's age, and it turned to ****!
    it became so unrealistic and lost the working family feel that made it so popular in the first place. also when Becky changed and then changed back and the baby.
    Many people wrote that Roseanne jumped the shark when the Connors won the lottery. That would have done it in if it hadn't already jumped when the new Becky showed up. They did handle it in a clever way, but it was the beginning of the end just the same. Others said that it was when everyone turned gay, loose meat or the new baby. I agree with all of these. If a show can jump the shark more than once, Roseanne is an all time record holder.
    When that horrible actress replaces Becky. You could tell it was all going to hell after that one.
    Here's the bottom line. By the time you get to the last season Roseanne had taken over the show. She was completely in charge like she had never been before. She f'ed the show single handedly. Then she had the nerve to take credit for the good years and pretend like the last season never happened by saying that it was all stories from her book. What a bull**** artist.
    First off, I agree that Jackie's slow slip into lesbianism was the beginning of the end, but there are worse continuity errors. You undoubtedly knew that Roseanne Arnold had some mental problems with her fame and this shows now more than ever with her talk show. It seemed she could never settle on how Dan and Roseanne's early years were actually spent. Was Dan a strapping football player, or a fat, violent biker? Were they hippies? Were they skinny? Did they grow up on country, or rock and roll? How did they afford a three bedroom house, with three kids on what was obviously less than $30,000 a year? It seemed that the most glaring problem was the birth of their fourth child, Jerry Gracia Connor. Up until this, they had made constant (and tired) references to their old biker days (which, by the way, they always seem to fit into their old gear, despite the fact they are both grossly overweight). The biker concept was very far-fetched, as this, too, was developed late into the series. You couldn't have fit their two giant asses on a bike and expected it to actually move. Then, just as Roseanne's face changed, so, too, did the family history. Suddenly, they were Grateful Dead fans! They were peace-lovin' hippies, not Hell's Angels! In the 60's, there were bikers, and there were hippies, but they didn't mix. Constant changes in the cast of character and friends, with cameos by David Crosby and the sort, made their life confusing. Suddenly, Roseanne's friends are all gay or lesbian, then there's that lousy attempt to tap into the AbFab fame, which failed miserably. Also, there's little chance in hell that Darlene would've been straight, as Jackie and Dan predominantly raised her through her life. If anyone should have turned out to be a lesbian, it should've been Roseanne.
    Roseanne jumped when she got together with Tom Arnold and had him on there all the time. He's an idiot, and the show just went downhill from there, with or without him.
    "Roseanne" was the best family-based sitcom in TV history. It was hilarious, brash, touching, and brutally honest. Usually all at once. Most of the last season, however, was painful to watch because Roseanne tried to be avant-garde and fell flat on her face. True fans disregard everything after Darlene's wedding and remember the show at its seven-year peak. Kudos to Roseanne herself, John Goodman, Sara Gilbert, and Laurie Metcalf.
    when the family wins the lottery. how absurd was that? they win something like a million dollars and what do they do, they go to ikea, buy new furniture and have the ktchen refurbished. you'd think they might actually move. add on top of that the absense of dan and the "which becky will it be this time" episodes.
    Just finished watching re-runs on the Paramount Channel in the UK. I was never a huge fan of this show first time around, but watching it again I got into it and enjoyed it up to the last episode. Sure, before that there were more than a few episodes which were pointless and extremely silly (the Under Siege II train hijack parody for one) where it was best to just set your brain to auto pilot, but for the show to end with such a ridiculous finale... Words almost escape me, but suffice to say, Roseanne should just have f***ed off and lived on Walton Mountain, which is where the rambling monologue she spouted at the very end belonged. I'm sorry, but to turn round and say that EVERYTHING was fake just makes no sense at all. The bit about Dan dieing after his heart attack I could comprehend, were it not for the rest of the **** it would almost have been a genuinely moving moment. But Becky married David? Darlene married Mark? Jacky was gay? jeez!
    When Roseanne won the lottery. Oh, please!!! The show was based on a typical middle-class family struggling to make ends meet, with both parents working & trying to keep their kids on the right track. But then Roseanne had to win the lottery & change her status. I'm thinking that the show jumped the shark before that!! How about when the Conners let Darlene's boyfriend live with them so he wouldn't have to live with his depressed, abusive mother? How many people would allow a teen at his sexual peak come & live in the same house with their daughter who is probably just as hormone-driven? Not me. I would have called Social Services.
    When Ellen Degenerate guest starred as Fred and Jackie's marriage counselor and of course she played a nervous character babbling out stupid things that are supposed to be funny. Thank god this happened before Ellen came out or it would be filled with you go girl lesbian jokes.
    NEVER! It was and is the best show ever. Roseanne and Dan were very realistic and good parents. It amazes me the people who commented on this show that obviously didn't watch it. Referneces to Dan leaving and the lottery thing being a dream are ridiculous. Dan was visiting his mom in California (okay they kinda split up for a couple of episodes when Dan admitted he considered cheating in Cailfornia) and the lottery season was not supposed to be a dream...The enitre run of the show was supposed to a book Roseanne wrote in the end. Of course the kids grew up and got married...that's what people do. Roseanne and Jackie were REALLY pregnant so it was written in and the show knew it was not continuing when they did the lottery thing...I think it was supposed to be a little over the top because it was the last season...DUH! The off and on appearances of Crystal and the two Beckys were kind of confusing though.
    It never jumped! The final season becomes just as enjoyable as the previous seasons the second time around, once one has viewed the final episode. It all makes perfect sense!
    It started to jump when Becky's character changed, then it majorly sucked after the lottery winning thing. Lottery? Ya right! I used to be able to relate to the show, but it just got too...fantasy-like.
    Just a footnote that goes with "Roseanne" and several other shows. The nineties were the decade of god-awful women's voices on tv. Roseanne's whine was certainly one of the most notable, but let us not forget the inimitable Fran Drescher, whose voice as Fran Fine was like listening to ground glass being scraped on a blackboard. But at least, in her defense, a lot of it was put on, as we saw in the episode where she plays an agent or something like that, using her normal voice, still sounding as if she's from Queens, but not nearly as extreme as Fran the Nan. Roseanne, however, actually talks like that, God help anyone who has to put up with her. Then of course there's Marge Simpson. I've never been able to understand why her voice has to be like that. I've tried to watch "The Simpsons" many times over the years, but the voices always grated on me, especially Marge and Homer. Apparently I missed a lot of episodes of a great show because of that. Then of course there's the great Rosie O'Donnell, the so-called Queen of Nice but actually one of the most disgusting people ever on the tube, even worse than Stern because he at least doesn't pretend to be goody-goody. Queen of Nice. Yes, I guess it is nice to get 2 or 3 babies to adopt just by asking, no problem at all in your case Rosie how soon do you want them? A single parent with a very demanding job gets all these babies when other couples who aren't on tv have to wait years and then they may not even get a child. How nice for the Queen!! But let's not forget her most endearing quality, her lovely voice. Most hog callers sound better than her. And even though her accent is fairly typical of Long Island, she has by far the worst example I ever heard. And one day my wife had O'Donnell's awful show on and the host was actually screaming at the camera. And sentence after sentence no less. This was the worst torure on tv since "Turn On." But by far the worst, although she seems to be a very nice person from the very little I know of her, is that woman who, I think, is on "The Tonight Show" once in a while, at least that's where I think I saw her (just once). She's I guess in her thirties and she has a Drescher-type voice, only about 1000 times worse. I just can't see how anybody could possibly sound like that. Would someone who knows this situation better please post her name and whatever you know about her? Thanks. I'd swear there were more melodious ladies to add to my list, but I can't recall any right now. Anybody got any more?
    I'm sorry, I can't be specific because I don't remember all of the episodes well enough, but there has to be one episode in which the boy, D.J., goes from his young happy-go-lucky Henny Youngman cuteness to the sullen, sulking, moping teenager he became in the show. It seemed like the entire show just got nasty and self-obsessed after that.
    This show was great--the only "family sitcom" that seemed realistic, to an extent. However, Roseanne LEAPED the shark the entire last season. What made this show great was that they were an average family comprised of off the wall characters who you would actually meet in real life. How often does the average family win the lottery? And as I recall it was a LARGE sum of money. I think DJ was one of the most demented characters ever. Geez, do I miss him....
    Roseannes Annoying voice, Roseannes figure, Roseannes sister, Roseannes mother.... I could go on, but I'll give Roseanne some dignity. The show stunk, up until the last and final episode! Cause we all knew that it would come to an end soon! The final season also made us a little flustered.. poor Conners winning the lottery. When in actuallity it was all in Roseanne's head! Does that remind you of sumthin'??? *cough* DALLAS? <<Even tho Im a tad bit young to remember that show!
    First of all, I really liked it when they added lyrics to the music, the last season or two. Secondly, I think them winning the lottery was awesome, it made me happy that they didn't up and move to some 'better' place. That they stayed in the old house, and they didn't change. But the last episode, it upset me sooo much. Why change everything? And why make Dan die? Totally depressing..
    The show lost it's funniness after Roseanne was on for to long. When Roseanne got pregnant the show just got worse and worse--and she named Jerry-after Jerry Garcia because she was having a flashback. Get real!! The show should have been put out of it's misery along time ago.
    First of all, I am so sick of the people out there acting like somehow they were betrayed because of Roseanne's last episode or the new Becky...it's a tv show! I thought that Roseanne was one of the best shows out there for a long time. She acted more like a real mom than 99 percent of the "mother" types on other shows. Not all mothers are cheerful and smiling all the time. Also, for the person who wrote that it was unrealistic to buy Dan a pair of shows instead of "a prom dress" for Becky...watch the show again. First, it wasn't a prom dress..it was a dress for junior high. Also, Roseanne states that Becky has other dresses to wear...and Dan hasn't bought a new pair of shoes in years. I believe that in most households, necessity comes before want. I think people either love Roseanne or they hate her. I happen to love her(atleast on her show), and I always enjoy watch reruns. I'll admit that the later episodes aren't my favorites, but I can still laugh when I watch them. Also, for the person who wrote that Roseanne was pretending to have class when she won the lottery...GET THE JOKE! I don't think she ever meant to say that...I think she was portraying how ridiculous it is for people to pretend just because they have money to begin with. Also, I was never crazy about the new Becky, but I thought it was hilarious how they brought her in(i.e. the Darrin joke at the end of that episode)...funny!
    Jumped on Day One. I hated this show so much. As a Deadhead I was insulted when they sullied the name of Jerry Garcia by including a look-alike on one show. Every copy of every episode of this horrid show should be destroyed!
    This show jumped when Sarah Chalke took over as Becky.
    Towards the last episode, the show was getting ridiculous, but the last episode when you find out that Roseanne was writing all of that stuff and Dan died, that was horrible!!!
    roseanne was a good show until becky changed. everything just got stupid after that.
    I loved all the episodes...The last season was a bit nutty, I agree. But the last episode totally made up for it. I thought it was very creative that after Dan had his heart-attack, the rest of the "shows" were figments of Roseannes writings. I remember when Dan fixed up the basement for her. Ahhh, the memories. I still watch that show every day and I'll continue to do so until they take the repeats off the air for good.
    The whole last season was in her head. HOW PATHETIC IS THAT!?!?!
    I really think that when Rosanne got pregnant with the fourth baby, the show really went downhill. Before, it was really funny watching a blue collar family dealing with their "white trash" problems with a sense of humor. As for the lottery storyline, I think Roseanne KNEW it would be the last season and just decided to go completely nuts and come up with some outrageous stuff that she would have been scared to do before. Roseanne has never acted like she cared what people thought of her (which is one of her charms), so why would she care what people thought of the last season?
    Roseanne was a fairly decent show in the beginning; but then two things happened. First, Jackie became a complete MORON, who was unbearable to watch, and second, everything about the show focused on something blatantly immoral.
    I'm not even going to even touch upon the lottery or the last season, because most of you clowns have already babbled on enough to make Roseanne herself hurl. I liked the lyrics to the song. I thought they fit in well with the show. And sometimes characters get replaced...that's the way it is. The Becky switch was pure comedy-it showed quite obviously that they don't take themselves seriously. "Where have you been? It seems like you've been gone for like three years!" Now that's comedy. A comedy sitcom about a white-trashy family in Illinois. Darlene is one of my all-time favorite characters in television history. She was so incredibly sarcastic and could pull off any joke handed to her. Like spelling 'buckety' when they played scrabble, or being the complete dominatrix in her relationship with David, or when Becky married that flaming imbecile Mark. They had REAL problems, as opposed to how much hairspray DJ Tanner had on her pointed head during her full house days. Bravo, Roseanne.
    Holy **** Roseanne is so f**kin funny. I still watch the reruns every day. That show was mad f**kin cool. Roseanne was SO my mom, and the kids were so f**kin funny, and Dan was the man dude, he was so cool. And with Jackie who was like mad f**kin rad, like she was the world's coolest aunt. But when Roseanne won the lottery it was funny, but not AS funny as before, 'cause now she's rich and ****, and how is she like, the working class bitch anymore? Man I miss that show.
    When Roseanne won the Lottery!! It just wasn't realistic anymore; which gave the show it's charm
    1992-1993 season: Becky became an idiot and Darlene a brilliant writer who goes to college at age 16. Puh-Leaze! Generally, this was the time when Roseanne Arnold got control over the show andf turned it from a clever, slightly over-the-edge comedy into a 22 minute political statement!!!!
    When the Connors won the lottery. This changed everything the show stood for. And the sad thing about it is that it really was a great show for several years before that. After they won the lottery, everything became ridiculous. I wondered if Roseanne (the real Roseanne) was on some kind of bad acid trip the entire last season. The writing was embarrassing from that point on. What the f*uck were they thinking with the train hijacking episode??? That was the stupidest **** I've ever seen on television. Even the pitifully unfunny Full House was funnier than that at its worst. Still, disregarding everything that happened from the lottery episode on, Roseanne goes down as one of my favorite TV comedies of all time. I still watch the reruns over and over again.
    This show did the biggest turnaround in TV history. I didn't mind NotBecky as much as some. For me, the decline started when Darlene got pregnant. But the jump happened, as everyone has noted, with the lottery episode. I can't even go back and watch the early episodes of what used to be my favorite show, it's just so ruined for me now.
    This show jumped the last season. It was still entertaining to watch as amusement but it wasn't the same. I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the funniest scenes in tv history was on this show. Remember the rotten milk episode when they kept returning the milk to the fridge? AT the end of that show Dan went into convulsions after drinking from that milk carton. He knocks stuff over as he struggles to get back to the fridge and puts the milk carton back in it. Then he collapses, sprawled out on the kitchen floor. The first time i saw that scene i laughed as hard as i have ever laughed.
    Although the alternating Beckies was pretty bad. The first sign of going completely downhill was when Jackie started getting crazy. At first she was just a little quirky, then she went completely bonkers.
    As many things happened with this show it was hard to decide when it jumped. I voted for the 2 Beckys because I felt Lecy Goranson had really defined the role of Becky and Sarah Chalke, though not bad was just not Goranson. It didn't help that Chalke didn't look much like Goranson, which was jarring. Definitely the earlier episodes are better than the later episodes. As the show progressed and the kids got older the show seemed to wonder off in strange directions. Roseanne's character became more serious and the show as a whole became more politically correct with the promotion of gay themes and the demonization of abortion opponents. I agree the last season was bizarre (most over the top moment: Ruta Lee as Beverly's gay lover). Still at whatever point in the series there were always good episodes and some of the best dialogue in the history of television.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when she won the lottery. It was a good premise that was used way over the top.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when the won the Lottery. there's just something not real about the Roseanne family winning the lotto. so its not longer about a middle/lower class family, which was the essence of the show, but now they are a rich family, losing the point of the original show, which is what made the show funny.
    Ok, I watched Roseanne from day one, and there were several moments right in the last few seasons where the show jumped the shark. First, as we all know, the new Becky. Oh my God, could they have picked a worse actress?! I liked it better when Becky was gone...at least I didn't have to deal with the new Becky and the boring plot surrounding her constant attempts at making a marriage with Mark. On to Darlene...she was one of the best characters on the show, until she started getting all soft instead of sarcastic. This all culminated when she married David and got pregnant. The lottery thing sucked the big one, yes, but the show went down hill way before that. Let's take a look at Jackie. She was at her best when she was single. Her constant quest to find the perfect man was a key plot in the show. Marrying Fred, Mr. Boring, started her downhill trend, but when they had a baby and then got divorced, she got even worse. I think bringing back Leon was a great idea since he made the diner years great, but then he got all domestic with Scott, and he and Roseanne were suddenly friends. Her mother was also a great character when she nagged and bothered everyone, but then she was an alcoholic lesbian...what the hell was that all about?! All these character assassinations, plus Traci Lords, Disneyworld, baby Jerry Garcia (wtf?), and the trailer park took Roseanne from masterpiece to piece of crap.
    This was such a great show for the first 4-5 years. It really began to slow down when the original Becky left. You can also trace the downfall to Roseanne Barr/Arnold/Whateverhernameis plastic surgery. The last one which gave her a shiny, waxy face led into the bad seasons. This gave us everyone turning gay, 10 people moving into the Conner house, the idiotic plots with the new babies (both Roseanne and Jackie), getting rid of Fred, and finally, the death knoll of the lottery. "It's over, Johnny."
    Jerry Garcia Connor?! Give me a break! That's when it jumped, but the last season is when it didn't hit the landing quite right, fell in the water, and the shark ate it!
    as with most decent sitcoms it (writer\roasanne) actually took itself seriously, so seriously in fact i don't think she made it over the shark ....what a feast.
    Anyone who has read Steven King's book, "The Shining," can perhaps liken that protagonist to the character Dan in "Roseanne". This is to say that in taking a good man trying to raise a family in "small town USA" and surrounding him with all these destructive elements he is bound to fold under the pressure. Dan's is a systematic demise that comes into its zenith when his mother gets institutionalized. When the Conner family won the lotto it took away this vital element, thus causing the show to jump the shark.
    This show never jumped. You either were completely in love with it or you hated it. However I do have to admit the last season was kind of bad. But it all got explained in the last episode.
    Anyone who has read Stephen King's, "The Shining," can perhaps liken the Jack Torrance character with that of Dan Conner. The allegory of "The Shining," is that this hotel symbolizes the pressures of raising a family. In the book, Torrance eventually gets driven crazy and turns on his family. In the show Roseanne, this element is vital to what Dan's character is. He is an "ordinary" man with good intentions who is trying to raise a family in small town America. His pressures are, an overbearing wife, a co-dependant sister-in-law and mother-in-law, a sadistic daughter, a neglectful father, several failed attempts at success, alcoholism, and many internal struggles. In the end, this finally comes to a head when in a vital scene he breaks down when his Mother has a nervous breakdown and needs money. For me, the show "jumped the shark" in this scene. With the lose of this man's underlining conflict, his Mother, the show loses its backbone. They then win the lottery and no longer become a struggling family. From that point on the producers should have changed the name of the show from "Roseanne" to, "The Ego That Is Roseanne."
    The last episode should have been when Jackie and Fred got married in 1994. After that, the show declined into too many fantasy episodes and watered down plots. In the last episode, Roseanne seemed to be trying to get even with her critics in Hollywood, but ended up only slapping her fans in the face. What had once been a very funny story about the most realistic TV family to date turned out to be only a novel of the Roseanne Connor character. The fans who made Roseanne wealthy were cheated by this ending.
    When darlene and david got married, and dan had a heart attack at the ceremony. that episode was supposed to be the series finale, but they dragged on for one more miserable season. until then, some of the best television in history. we could identify with them, and they were hilarious. {the conners, i mean.** the new becky was pretty bad, but the show didnt truly jump until after the wedding. i like to pretend that the last season doesnt exist. some networks dont even air it at all.
    When Roseanne won the lottery. The show became completely unrealistic and totally trashy. Not at all funny. And who the hell wants to see Roseannes fat ass in all those skimpy outfits? Have just a LITTLE class Rosie!!
    never jumped! If you don't get it, tough. You know what's really witty and clever, calling Ellen DeGeneres "Ellen Degenerate" Which shows do you write for, comedy king? Roseanne rocks!
    Bogus Becky and the episode where Roseanne interviewed for a job at the beauty shop. I thought the first Becky sucked as an actress but the Bogus Becky really sucked! In the beauty shop episode she became ruder with each interview question, and still got the job! The best part of the beauty shop was the gal from Vietnam who stole every episode she was in. It didn't take Tom Arnold to know that Roseanne was not going to keep her on the show.
    Please help me understand why a funny show like Roseanne was in the beginning thinks that it has to become the social conscience for the world? It is a 30 minute sitcom for chrissake! So this show started sucking when we had to learn each episode how wonderful it was to be homosexual, or be taken into some LSD type dreamscape. I guess Roseanne was tired of making $500,000 per week.
    come on now, identifiable white trash family hits lotto and all of a sudden what? Same ****ty house but with better furniture? Dirty people in expensive clothes? Admittedly I stopped watching before the change, that made it worse, one day I turned it on and was like WTF?!?! But! It was innovative ballsy and great before it became a guaranteed hook show for consuming slobs nationwide.
    This show actually started to jump, but never quite made it, it just kind of skimmed the shark. The winning of the lottery episodes were a huge disappointment to those of whom related to her middleclass woes. But on the final episode when it was revealed to be a fantasy it was not only a great gift to all of us fans but also a very realistic look at how many people deal with grief, esp* those of us who often wonder what life would be like if we were someone else. Denial is the stage of grief that lasts the longest and is this most painful and as a LCSW, I often recommend keeping a journal or a daily log to work through all the things we do not like to discuss with others. Often times we see things as we think they are rather then as they really are. I.e. Jackie being a lesbian, just man trouble. Who knows. I say kudos to Roseanne, what ever her personal life was she was true to her fans whom watched her show, gave us a lot to think about. How many of you would like the chance to "rewrite" our lives?
    Once she brought in Tom Arnold the show started to suck. With all their publicity as a couple, along with Tom's nervous jaw (read cocaine drymouth), I truly believe that this was the turning point in the program.
    I loved this show, it was my favorite. But this show jumped when the conners won the lottery. Up until that point, Dan and Roseanne were like any other lower middle class family, struggling to make ends meet so alot of people could really get into it, but when they won the lottery, it all went down the tubes. Im not a fan of Rosanne, but i did like her character on the show. Darleen was the best. Why would a family who just one a hundred and eight million dollars, who complained for years about living in Lanford, fix up the same house and stay where they are??? Dan should have left Roseanne years before he did. But I loved his sense of humor. Jackie was awesome too.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when the characters decided to become the most white trash & twisted TV family in history.
    This started out as a very funny series. After about 4 seasons, Roseanne's one-liners started changing from funny to mean. Don't get me wrong, mean can still be funny, but somehow in this case it really had dark overtones I found very unpleasant.
    In two simple words...Tom Arnold (emphasis on the simple...). They were married, he did a poor job with writing, acting, producing, and after they split up, that was when she came up with the whole lottery ticket crap, etc.
    This was once a GREAT show, but when i catch it on repeats, I know right away to change the channel if Roseanne has that new "look". It happened right before the new Becky came back, and along wit her new look came a new attitude, where she became very annoying, and no longer funny. Then they started adding new characters, Leon, David, Mark & Fred all as regulars, and they aren't interesting. After that, the show is just unwatchable.
    I felt the show first jumped the shark when Roseanne gave birth. After that the show had to make a desperate change and have the family win the lottery which pretty much put the last nail in the coffin.
    When the first Becky --the very talented actress Alicia Gorensen -- left the show. Unlike the other actors on the show she was not a hollywood type, she wasn't one of those tinsel town raised brats, she was just talented and funny and real.
    Tom Arnold thought it great to have the wonderful tap dancer Jesco White on one episode. It turned out that Jesco was only on during the closing credits...A true waste of talent. If ANYONE has video of Jesco White actually in the show as Uncle Jesco, let me know!
    When the Connors won the lottery. Go from slum to riches overnight and then to pretend they have class..........I DON'T THINK SO
    Tom Arnold really did suck, after that Roseanne had nothing but sad attempts at keeping ratings up. Just because he is your husband doesn't mean he is funny!
    Roseanne was a really good show. I liked it because it was sooo funny. But the show lost it's uniqueness when she won the lottery. At first they were just lower than working class white trash (funny white trash) with crude jokes, which made the show what it was. When they won the lottery, they actually started to really care about each other. For instance, when Dan had a heart attack Roseanne started acting like she really cared. I know as a wife she must, but come one. She wouldn't have cared that much. Then, when Darlene had her baby and it was premature and everyone thought it was going to die Roseanne was like, "I don't care how much it costs, you get me the most expensive doctor to come heal my granddaughter". How corny can you get!
    tom arnold is a genius. after he left, the show started its downward spiral. its too bad since the first 3 or 4 seasons were as good as any show ever.
    This show had sharks circling the last few seasons. But what did it for me was them winning the lottery. After that it was never the same. This show has given us some of the funniest moments in TV but the last 2 seasons were just horrible.
    After dan's heart attack the show should have ended. what the hell was that last season about. It had its moments but most of the episodes just plain sucked. The halloween episode the most disappointing one of all.
    When they won the lottery, hands down. I love the show, I watch it and it reminds me of people I know, know of and am related to.I'm glad this site isn't PC. In defense of the new Becky. I think the 2nd actress was a little better. True, the first looked a little to young (she was smart and left the show for college right?) and the second was little to pretty and a little to "fake". Although they did have some fun with the whole Dick Sergeant/York-Darren Stephens "thing" from "Bewitched". When Sharon Stone guest starred as TRUE white trailer park trash was definitely a shark jumping attempt. Overall, there were some moments that were all wrong for the show. The lottery is chief among them. They could have taken a cue from "Good Times" (another show similar in a portrayal of family who doesn't have it made) which almost jumped it when John Amos left but didn't and ended the series with the entire family finally getting out of the hood and finding some financial security. If that approach was used then winning the lottery would have been a great way to end the series!
    Roseanne slowly and gradually jumped the shark. I think I liked the characters more in the middle of the run of the show. At first, Roseanne was sarcastic, but loving towards her family. Then she seemed to turn into a complete shrew! Jackie was better when she was slightly neurotic, but still kinda cool and hip. I don't think Jackie needed a child in the show, it made her less fun, somehow. Then she became COMPLETELY neurotic and totally wacky. She relied more on mugging and physical comedy than delivering good lines. I like the fact that the "smart" Becky ended up letting her family down a little and getting married young, and that the "jock" Darlene ends up surprising everyone and getting into college. That's the way things happen sometimes! Of course, I agree with the obvious ways the show jumped... the lottery, all the babies, etc... I think a lot of these shows make the mistake of thinking that they have to come up with fantastic, unusual storylines to keep the public interested when that's not the case. Not every single episode has to be shocking and ground-breaking!
    When Dan SUPPOSEDLY cheated on Roseane was just to much, even for this very loyal fan. I always thought Dan was the kind of guy whom I would LOVE to have as a husband and they RUINED that by trying to make him look bad. Get real we all know SHE is the one most likely to cheat on a great guy NOT the other way around. I could not watch that last season. I really wished they would have just let Dan rest in peace and not be discredited by the super ego that was Roseanne.
    Roseanne was a typical blue collar family that showed day to day struggles in an average financial income home. It jumped when they won the lottery. It went funny to boring in a hurry. The writing got terrible and the characters lost their purpose on the show. Then Dan had an affair and Roseanne paid off the house. Typical of TV shows.
    As soon as Becky Ran off with Mark and got married the show started going downhill. From that point onwards I don't think Becky ever lived under that roof again properly as one of the Connor Kids, she immediately became a Recurring character and a growing Darlene was now a major charcter on the show. The show around 1992-early 1993 had some funny episodes, but As soon as Darlene went to College it got even worse. I don't NOT even want to comment on that Lottery winning CRAP!!!
    This show started to JTS when Becky One left. But, surprisingly, it kept itself on the right track, and didn't suck too much until the Conners won the lottery. It was like Roseanne fired all of her good writers and then hired the same bunch of monkeys-with-typewriters that had hacked out Twin Peaks or Saturday Night Live. But I do have to give props to some of the later episodes, it was sometimes funny to see Roseanne and Jackie try to make it with 'the upper crust.' Oh, and what the hell -- they won the lottery, and instead of buying a new house, just remodeled their old one? That's ridiculous. And what about that plot line involving some European prince and Jackie? To be quite honest, I felt like the entire last season was like watching a friend slip into a heroine addiction. Had this show stuck to its formula, it might still be on TV. Wait, strike that. The kids would've had to grow up, and I can't stomach the thought of bringing on other kids to fill the void. Jerry Garcia Conner was a mistake and should be told so repeatedly.
    I think the idiots that talked trash about Roseanne show are nothing more that total a**holes that only wished they could have a normal family like the Connors and not some "nose-stuck-up-in-the-air-snobby-self-rightious-moronic-better-than-you" families they come from. The Conners are as close as you can get to the real-life families of the "REAL" world.
    If any of you people followed the last season it actually made sense and had very good writing. Dan Died of the heart attack but she wrote a book about her family if Dan was still there and just cheated on her...never won the lottery or anything. Remember she always wanted to be a writer? yeah so dont freaking talk jack about the last season.....it was her wacky imagination which we all know how she was in that show. Come on people dont slam it till you know the facts. It was an awesome ending I was in shock when i found out it was just her writing.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when they replaced Becky. Not only because they replaced her. They could have gotten away with it if this character was consistent. But first Becky was a straight A student, sarcastic, popular, and a likeable character. Second Becky was a complete ditz. First Becky would NOT be okay with staying married to a complete dolt. First Becky would not be okay with working at hooters, moving into a trailer park, etc... Second Becky was so sweet and nice, it made you sick. The first Becky would fight back, not just run up to her room when Darlene made a smart ass comment. First Becky was a realistic character. She acted like a spoiled brat sometimes. Second Becky was a completely different character. So if you're going to replace a character, do you have to completely change the "character" of the character?
    Anyone who tried to control, contain, or counter Roseanne was instantly removed from the show. In the end, Roseanne dominated the series, and nobody could tell her that "No, this idea isn't going to work". Consequently, all of her ideas, no matter how stupid, became episodes, and the series' fans streamed away like blood from a mortal wound. Roseanne's 50-story ego haunted the show from the beginning, and eventually stomped it flat. Nobody could control or even counter her (nobody that wanted to keep their job, anyway), and all of her New Coke quality decisions about the direction of the show pretty much doomed it, and ironically, Roseanne herself. After the series ended, she couldn't quite come to terms with the fact that people were no longer under her thumb, which is why her talk show got cancelled so quickly. She started acting like a spoiled brat, but instead of getting a cookie for it as she usually did, she got spanked, hard. All I can say is this... it's about damn time she woke up and smelled that fresh pot of reality brewing.
    The real problems began when she started to think of herself as a serious artist instead of just another entertainer (think of how weird Michael Jackson got after "Thriller", or Madonna after "Like a Prayer"). About the time the show went airborne over the fish, she accused her parents of abuse and did that despicable rendition of the national anthem before a baseball game. The latter reason alone is why I won't watch anything with her ever again.
    this show was originally based on roseanne's blue collar "domestic goddess" stand-up routine. using that premise the show got good ratings and was popular and it all went to roseanne's head. she started hanging around the hollywood types and started doing the hollywood things and that is why she and her show got weird. and since she had the status and the pull to throw her WEIGHT around she always got her way no matter how stupid her ideas were. From the point they won the lottery, Roseanne was over. Done. Finito. The whole raison d'etre of the show was to portray a typical blue collar family. Once that blue collar was traded for fortune and fame, the show ceased to be about anything more than Roseanne's whims. As far as the last episode--yikes. People have said in this thread that we out there who actually liked this show shouldn't be angry that the show changed its entire premise in that last scene--they say that we should just accept that Roseanne wrote the whole thing, that it was "all a dream" a la Dallas. Well, the reason this annoys people is that, when you like and watch a show, you believe in the characters. You root for Darlene and David, you tut-tut at Becky and Mark, you hope Dan can find steady work. Sure, they're fictional characters, but good fiction engages and inspires, and a writer owes it to his or her public not to screw around with the characters they have created. Roseanne didn't just screw around--she flat out obliterated the characters to such a degree that they don't exist--indeed, never did exist. What was once a great show turns out to be a book within a show--and it's just too much to swallow.
    David, Darlene's boyfriend, was called Kevin when he first came on at least for 3 episodes. Then all of the sudden he changed is his to David. Was this a trend in the early 90's? Jon Stamos did the same in Full House!
    This show was killed by plastic surgery. Roseanne was great in the beginning because she wouldn't apologize for not looking like a model. But when she got plastic surgery, it was like she was saying "ok, maybe i do buy into the idea that a woman must look like a model to succeed." Not that she ever looked like a model, even with surgery, but you get my drift. And then Darlene got a nose job, got married and became a mother; they won the lottery; Dan died, it just blew up like a giant explosion. But yes I agree Ms. Metcalf was great. I just saw a rerun last night where she tells a relative "Dad is dead." I was on the floor laughing. The woman can't hear her and she ends by saying, "No, he's fine. He sends his love."
    I agree that this show was consistently funny and interesting when Becky was dating Mark, Darlene started getting anti-social and depressed and always wore black, and when Jackie couldn't land a steady boyfriend or career. It started losing its ground when it focused less on the family as a whole and more on Roseanne (around the time when Darlene left for college and the new Becky). But then Roseanne wanted to shock middle America -that's why there were so many gay characters, why they smoked pot etc. These were at least interesting episodes. But then it actually just got boring, characters came and went (the two sisters next door, Crystal, Bonnie), Jackie got pregnant and married Fred and Darlene just hung around with David. It just wasn't funny. I like a couple of the episodes during the lottery win- when they won, when Roseanne couldn't get out of bed after Dan left, when they met Edina and Patsy from AbFab, but basically they ran out of ideas and it had strayed too far from its original premise. I wish they had given Darlene more to do towards the end- she didn't escape Lanford, she stayed at home, got married, and had a kid. We could've at least seen more of her career. I didn't mind the last episode but the middle seasons are the best e.g when Jackie sleeps with Arnie, when Darlene tells Roseanne she doesn't believe in God, every Thanksgiving episode, Kathy the neighbour, when Darlene can't get home from a concert, Jackie the trucker- these were classic episodes.
    There was a very subtle little leap before the lottery season, and that was when Becky and Mark and Darlene and David all lived in the Conner house. After that, they began to rely on the usual predictable sitcom conventions. Before that, the show was groundbreaking without seeming to make the effort. Does anyone remember the episode where they find a stash of pot in the house and Roseanne, Jackie, and Dan smoke it and become stupid and paranoid? Hilarious stuff! And somehow managed to air without controversy. At its best, this was one of the best family sitcoms ever.
    I believe Tom Arnold came into the picture towards the end of season one or in season two. Anyway, the show got better in season two and continued to get better. They really had some good strong realistic story lines. After Roseanne kicked Tom out her life and fired him from the show, it gradually began to spiral out of control. The last season was just embarrassing. Don't get me wrong, I didn't care for Tom Arnold. I just think he was good for the show. Too bad Roseanne didn't have the business sense to keep him on even as a consultant. Egos can be very powerful and destructive. I think ego got the best (or worst) of Roseanne.
    This sucked from day one In an article in Entertainment weekly, a sidebar snidely marked "What did they know?" a panning review from an L.A. paper which was dead on target. Rosanne Barr/ Arnold/ I'm too Important for a Surname is an unfunny no talent with zero acting skills. Her vioce is so high pitched it comes off a whiny whenver she complains about something. Worse, this was yet another patronzing hollywood view of blue collar people. Why is that working people on TV are always bigoted (Archie Bunker,) stupid (Tim and Al, from "Home Improvement", or obnoxious (Roseanne)?
    The first three seasons it seemed apparent that DJ was some sort of retarded mutant. Then, suddenly with the onset of puberty, he got a speaking role. He was never funny after that, and should have been kept silent.
    Ok, everybody has different opinions on this one, but listen here. We can pretty much all agree that the first four seasons were good, right? (The first one was so-so though). Becky's departure at the beginning of the fifth did not harm the show in any way. It actually was the funniest season yet. Then Darlene left at the beginning of the 6th, and although we'd miss darlene, it STILL didn't hurt the show in anyway. Then new becky came a few episodes into that one, and as bad as she was, the show STILL wasn't hurt--that year gave us the pot-smoking episode, the masturbation episode, the darlene-david-in-chicago discovery, the cutody battle show, the lesbian kiss, the birth of jackie's kid. Those episodes, if you really recall, had stellar writing, regardless of any missing characters or new characters or wierd plot twists or any new "look" roseanne may have had or the highlights in dan's hair. It was the writing, which was superbly inspired, that made the show be! tter than ever. And the tags were classic too, such as the "cops" parody or the obnoxious christmas lights. I have never seen such fierceness in a show's bang-quickness of wit, with maybe the exception of the simpsons. This slowed down later in the season, when jackie was getting married, but in no way did it jump shark. Then came the seventh season, which didn't EXACTLY taint the show. Yes there was some silliness, like the mark-becky trailer episodes, the gilligan island fantasy, the fact that david had wet dreams about roseanne. Yes, there were recycled ideas, like another drug episode and the fact that roseanne was now pregnant after jackie. But overall, the show did pretty well in maintaining a high standard of comedy, particularly in shows like thanksgiving, bev's alcoholism, and the naked neighbors. It was still a highly relevant show that, for all its silliness and overt self-reference and pop-culture tie-ins, kept one-liners and clever tag-endings a high art on the show. The one thing that DID outright suck about seventh season is that darlene became an outright bitch. She was no longer sarcastic in reaction to the absurdity of the people around her, she was just a bitch. an! d nothing more. Then, the beginning of the end. The eighth season starts, and there we see roseanne looking "softer," the set lighting became plush and fuzzy. At first it doesn't seem so bad, what with the new becky coming back. But with the exception of the "identical beckys" tag, the episode lacked "oomph." And every episode there after did as well. THe show had good ideas, like the 50's sitcom parody, but the writing simply couldn't afford the shows any sharp insight or outright hysteria. The acting also degenerated much further, particularly in the episode where there's a new diner across the street. Roseanne smashing a toaster through her own diner window in order to create a drive-thru was just too unrealistically impulsive to be funny. The part where they attempt to sabotage the restaurant was even sillier, like an episode of perfect strangers. It was a "blaa" season in progress. But what really marked the show's first truly horrific episode, where the plot, the acting, the writing, and the idea itself was just downright excruciating to witness, was the halloween episode where jerry was born. After that, I don't think anyone could say that it wasn't a truly strained show. The polical statements became blander, what with episodes where dj refuses to kiss a black girl or the thanksgiving show that ends in a circle dance in order to pay homage to native americans everywhere. Every character on the show was strained, including dan, who became a bumbling father figure in the show's desparate attempt to shed some new comedy light on what was already a perfected character. The show jumped shark, but what really marked the show of the characters' death, what really showed that the connors weren't the connors anymore was the disney world episode. In earlier seasons, the connors would have gone to disney world and complain how much it sucked, but they actually promoted it in the footsteps of full house. They were a white trash family who were thoroughly enjoying a sense of renewed life on what should be seen as a hell on earth. as if that wasn't insulting enough they had to follow that up with an episode where david takes a job at an "inferior" amusement park that "could only try to be as good as disney world." ouch. The show was no longer funny. At all. And the 9th and final season, well we all know that was the absolute worst. I would also like to add that it wasn't even fit for a public access channel. But, it's not as if the lottery plot twist made the show bad in and of itself; it was the writing. They REALLY could have worked with that idea better, but the show already became disneyfied, as shown in the prior season. A Pop-Up Roseanne, a la vh1, exploiting the show's horrendous writing, would have saved it. But no. They had to play it out as if they were still making a meaningful, relevant, and funny show. I can name three funny moments of that whole season: the abfab section of the halloween episode, the ending of the "spa" episode where roseanne and jackie toss their glasses, and the christmas episode. That's it. Hardly enough comedy to develop even 2 episodes on a REALLY BAD show. Critics called the ninth season "unwatchable," and headlined their articles with "A star implodes" and "domestic goddess dethroned." The last 2 seasons were the ultimate testimony to there being a finite amount of creativity in all of us. It's depressing to think about. Not even the final episode could redeem the fact that this show was the hugest fall from grace in tv history. My explanation for its ultimate failure is tom arnold's departure. It's not that he was funny or even a good writer or producer, it was the fact that I think he genuinely grounded and inspired roseanne when he was by her side. He brought out her inner greatness and creativity because it was the two of them versus the producers and the studio. I think if not that, then he pushed her in a good way. He left at the end of the 6th season, and I believe that the ongoing success of roseanne in the 7th season was purely for residual reasons (i.e. storylines already sketched out and whatnot). Ok, I have the rankings for roseanne during its run, and I thought it'd be interesting to show everyone the path it took during its life. Season 1: #2 (some sources say #1) season 2: #1 (some say tied with cosby, others say it beat cosby) season 3: #3 (after star-spangled banner) season 4: #2 season 5: #2 season 6: #4 season 7: #8 (some sources say #10) season 8: #16 (some sources say #14) season 9: #32 These numbers would make anybody that worked on that show hide in shame.
    When the train was hijacked (remember??) Also, when they won the lottery. that soooooo sucked, because it totally turned roseanne into a soap opera.
    I really enjoy watching Roseanne in reruns and i enjoyed the show for all but the last season. The 2 becky thing was only annoying because, it was strange that suddenly becky sounded just like a canadian ! and then they would alternate both beckys, so you never felt connected to either one after that.
    Roseanne was a brilliant show - as good as sitcoms can get. There are dozens of episodes which are written and acted flawlessly. Just amazing craft. But after the sixth season ended around the time of jackie's marriage the show hit the wall. A sudden shift of producers and writers -- not to mention Roseanne's break-up with Tom Arnold -- ended the magic. The seventh season was not as funny or polished. The eight season was astonishingly unfunny. And the ninth season was such a shift in tone and a betrayal of direction that it was like watching a train wreck. When I watch the repeats on TBS these days I stop once Jackie gets married.
    I watched Roseanne for the first few seasons and then stopped. Actually stopped watching any network TV. For the last year or so my son and I have been watching the reruns. I had never seen the final episode or most of the last season. I was able to watch almost all the episodes, in order. It was a really funny show that didn't really Jump The Shark, it just slid under, a little at a time. Jackie was such a great character till she morphed into Barney Fife. One of my favorite lines in later episodes was when Bev was a recovering alcoholic and Dan, Jackie and I think Fred were in the garage to sneak a beer, Jackie says...Don't go out there, she's out there, Bev, beverage. That just cracks me up each time I see it. And Fred as her husband, oh good grief, if she had to have child a child, let her stay single and not even know who the father was. Darlene and David was a great story line till the baby thing....at least let Darlene succeed, she seemed to have potential and they killed it. Her best line, He's either very good at it or very bad at it. (Discussing DJs new pastime) my second favorite would be c'mon mom you know you always wanted perky ones. Hated that Dan died, but that's how life goes. Did kind of like the ending actually, that all the things were made up to get through Dan's death. Most episodes were great, some really sucked and others were sprinkled with great lines. I still enjoy it.
    Everybody's coming out of the closet and Roseanne is the one getting kissed? Don't think she's on the hot list of any sex.
    Jumped when Darlene hit puberty. After she turned 16 (and dyed her hair black) all she ever did was push David around and make rude, unfunny remarks in a monotone voice, like she was on valium. DJ started to act like this too after a while. I think Roseanne must've drugged the cast with valium after she broke up with Tom Arnold so they wouldn't nervously fidget like him. The show's peak was definitely the Martin Mull Rodbell's Diner era... Leon to Roseanne and Bonnie: "It's wrong for me to get involved in your argument because... I don't care."
    I really loved the show Roseanne. This show really makes me laugh...even in reruns. I liked it because I could relate to the characters. It was similiar to my own family. It was a show for lower middle class people. I believe the show started to go down hill when the new Becky came. After Becky came back with Mark the show just became a hit and miss of funny and not so funny shows. The first Becky was a better actress. She was two dimentional where the new one seemed flat. It really became unfunny and boring the eighth season. The ninth season was horrible but I still didn't turn on the show. I was loyal to the end. I am a true blue fan . Some of my favourite episodes include when Roseanne became addicted to Bingo,Darlene's sweet 16 party and the closing credits of the first show of season 8 when Sarah Chalke and Lecy Goranson briefly overlap in the little musical parody "They're Becky's", a take on the Patty Duke Show, that was the best part of that entire season.
    Ok WTF was with Tiny Tim playing Tiptoe thru the Tulips with David on the couch, and then Dan came out and smashed the hell out of it. It jumped big ass time then.
    I know Roseanne is annoying as hell but the show was hilarious. John Goodman was hilarious, the sister Jackie made the show but my fave character was Shelley Winters. She was SO good. I dunno I just loved the blue collar, trying to make a buck attitude, not knowing where the next dime was comin from, yet they always pulled through. I guess I thought it kinda jumped when they won the lottery , they were grabbing big time.....and I didn't mind the Becky switch, I just loved Jackie and Dan and Grandma Mary !
    When the Connor household was invaded by the nepotism move of adding the annoyingly-strung-out-on-uppers Tom Arnold, and the gay/gay & lesbian/lesbian characters Martin Mull and Sandra Bernhard.
    well, when the show was going through its original run I rarely watched it, I think it came on when I was supposed to be doing homework or something. but now I'm pretty sure I have seen every episode in syndication, several times over a lot of times just cause there was nothing better on. and I tend to think that in its earliest incarnations, there were some really really funny shows, unfortunately the show started getting a swelled ego, and Roseanne kept trying to tackle so many grave issues that sucked a lot of humor out of many episodes( I think she went a tad overboard on the homosexual thing personally.) her Halloween episodes were never worth watching, the trippy grateful dead thing where she decides to name her baby Jerry was probably the stupidest I'd ever seen, and then they had to go ruin the whole blue collar image of the family by giving them a sh*tload of money. so basically, I think the show was in a huge downward spiral from day one, and I think ten years from now the show will be all but forgotten.
    "Roseanne" never 'jumped the shark' (incidentally, the phrase is a bit off. Happy Days jumped the shark long before Richie turned down the Hollywood contract. The phrase should be 'When Garry Marshall realized people would actually watch a nostalgia-driven sitcom', or 'I Have No Brother!', but I digress). "Roseanne" is easily the best sitcom of the '90s, and probably the best sitcom from 1975 (the end of The Odd Couple) to the present. The show developed a simple formula based on a blue-collar humor and very subtle wit, and expanded upon it for nearly a decade.
    Once Dan & Roseanne split up that was the end of this show, period! It went from one heck of a sitcom to almost watching Roseanne change her lifestyle in real life. She threw her own problems and life changes in the last season and it was a completely different show. And think what you want about Tom Arnold but he really helped make this show what it once was. Roseanne was another sitcom that was awesome at one time but went a couple of seasons to long, they should have kept the Dan & Roseanne together through it all and never have brought in all the gay characters.
    Roseanne was always self-indulgent and nasty, but her supporting cast could be counted on the keep her in line, but after the lottery she just became totally mean and the show lost all humour. I had never seen a lot of the later episodes until lately and after Dan disappeared and Darlene got pregnant it just was downhill bigtime, I haven't seen the last show yet that others are talking about, but I can see how when roseanne got her mean way, all the fun was gone, too bad, because I really enjoyed it for a long time.
    When Roseanne and Tom split up, this show declined. The next season was all right, but after that it turned bad in a hurry. Switching Beckys was not a good idea either. The first Becky was such a bitch, (which says something of the acting talents of Lecy Goranson) while the second was not intense, bitchy or believable. And, yes she is Canadian. The edge was gone from Becky. And Mark was dumbed down like no other character I could think of. I believe that Roseanne's ego ruined one of the greatest situation comedies. How could she fire all those good writers and hire 3rd rate hacks? Oh, I know... TO BULLY THEM AROUND! I stopped watching when she had the baby on that ridiculous and pointless Halloween episode. Would you be surprised to learned that she wrote that piece of ****, because I wasn't. Tom Arnold, imo, doesn't get enough credit for his groundbreaking tenure during this show. Personally, I thought he was funny. Hell, I think he's still funny, whether he's tweeking on drugs or not. And how come Fred was all cool when he and Jackie were going out but became such a boring, needless character while they were married?
    This was one of my favorite shows and still is in syndication--UP TO THE PART WHERE THEY WIN THE LOTTERY! This was definitely the shark-jumping moment! Also, why is everyone giving the fake Becky such a hard time? She is the only actress out of the entire cast to go on (now) to a good show--Scrubs on NBC.
    Roseanne jumped the shark with the first episode that featured Tom Arnold. I cringe whenever he speaks. And as for that annoying way he licks his lips when he talks.....drives me nuts. When Tom and Roseanne became a couple, I lost all interest in Roseanne. It seemed that Tom Arnolds ideas featured in the show, and it just didn`t work. Especially with his character Arnie when Roseanne was supposed to be mad at him for dating her friend Nancy. John Goodman really played his part well, as did Jackie. And I liked the mother before she came out the closet. So many different episodes jumped the shark. The most unrealistic one was the terrorists one.....very unbelievable, but the rot really starting setting in with Toms first appearence.
    I realized that this show jumped the shark when I went to school with the original Becky at Vassar and came to learn, after hanging with her for a while, that she was a huge druggy. That just killed the show for me. I don't know why - it just did for some odd reason.
    Don't get me wrong, this show was one of the best shows ever. But it just aired too long. If Rosanne just quit two years before it ended, it would've been cool. But it totally JTS when Dan was gone. For some reason DJ became annoying in the last two or three seasons. Also, what was the deal with Mark? The two weren't as annoying as that girl on "The Cosby Show" that played Olivia, but they came close towards the end. By the way, Jackie's a babe.
    This show jumped the shark when Roseanne won the lottery; the disappearance of the blue collar charm that typified this show became the death of it.
    To the poster who mentioned Roseanne's psychiatric hospitalization as a teenager & the one who mentioned the whole show being based on Roseanne's book-- the hospitalization occurred in R's real life, as written in her autobiography "Roseanne: My Life As A Woman"
    While the different Becky, lottery winning, and other elements helped jump, there is something that occurred in the final season or two that was very subtle. The show went from trying to laugh at a low-income family's problems with smart writing and good jokes to being a take off of Married With Children. Every comment became a slam on them for being white trash. They were never really white trash, more poor and trying to make ends meet. Once Becky and Mark moved into a trailer park and they went to DisneyWorld and turned everything into a white trash joke it got stupid! I also agree that they over gayized Lanford
    This show jumped once Roseanne had a ton of plastic surgery and had the baby. Then, in the last season when the won the lottery.... I can't even talk about.\I always loved this show in the Early Days (circa 1988-1990) For me it went through 4 Phases Phase_1:THE BEGINNING - It was Funny, and Roseanne was still Pre-Plastic Surgery working at the Plastic Factory and the Family were Working Class. Phase_2: THE SHOW GETS REALLY FUNNY - Roseanne Starts work at the Rodbells Diner, Becky Dates Mark Healy, then eventually Roseanne sets up the "Landford Lunchbox" Roseanne starts to change Physically. I think the Show won an Emmy during this era for Top Comedy in the US. Phase_3 SHARK JUMPING TIME - Darlene goes to College, Jackie Falls pregnant to that Fred Guy and suddenly the New Becky Appears, the show Starts Sliding Downhill Fast. Phase_4: TOTAL CRAP, That STUPID Lottery Win, ok so if they had of won, say..Half a Million Dollars? it would have been believable! but 108 million?? How F*cking Lame!! Each Episode in the last Season were utter Crap!! not Funny!! I actually missed the VERY last Episode. Heard it Was Crap too!! Shame how some shows can get wrecked if they go on too long, Least Seinfeld knew when to call it a Day.
    I knew that the Roseanne show was truly reaching when they started doing dream episodes. The episode I am referring to Roseanne is dreaming and she goes into a sort of "Diva" character, and hold court against her unappreciative family. This has to truly be the worst episode of this show if not the worst ever in any sitcom.
    looking back on this show, i hated what jackie became after her marriage. her spirit was broken. but after the divorce she just got weird. scary weird. really too bad.
    I only watched Roseanne from season 1 to 5. After that the show just got to be too much. You could just tell they were trying to keep up the ratings which obviously didn't work. Roseanne WAS a good show. There's a reason why it bumped The Cosby Show from the #1 spot during the 1989-1990 season.
    Because of Roseanne's polemics, this show had been in decline for a while, but the shark's nose began protruding up in the episode where Roseanne more or less forced David and Darlene to be together. I found this unbelievable, not just because Darlene had had ample opportunity to woo young men at college (one of the worst episodes was when Roseanne got confrontational with a guy Darlene was seeing at college. Had I been that guy I would have told Roseanne to **** off before he called security and had his dad sue her ass), David had been living with the Connors long enough to be a brother to her. But they soared above the shark with something that did not happen. When Dan broke up with Roseanne, I thought they would do something really daring and deal with a family going through divorce, with both couples exchanging recriminations and the kids being conflicted between loyalty to mom and dad. Roseanne lashed out at Dan often enough for the divorce to be understandable, yet there was enough love between them to make the breakup poignant. No show I can think of had ever done that before.That situation could have reenergized what was becoming a tired show. Instead her daughter marries a foster son and she wins the lottery. Actually the final episode, which revealed the previous episodes to be the fictionized musings of a housewife trying to become a writer, was original, but it came so much out of the blue, after that terrible final season it was nothing but a cop-out.
    This show jumped when they won the lottery!!! And also the baby episode, the baby was born on October 31st she found out from the Ouiji board!!
    That show got so absurd after the Conners won the lottery. The writing was horrible and the story lines were ridiculous. The show completely lost its "blue-collar family" focus and went into the crapper.
    How is it possible, that a show SO BRILLIANT in being "Plain Jane average" and being about the majority of Americans BOMB THE LAST YEAR? I'll tell you, just add a winning lottery ticket, a whole smarm of cash and writers with heads up their a**! From 1986 to (I would approximate 1993) the show was EXCELLENT. It's hard for a show to continue the way it does because the kids grow up and eventually have to either move out or turn into vegetable dip! (The benefit of The Simpsons.....they never age....Bart Simpsons is technically 24 years old this year..think about that one) The show became So-So and "manageable to watch" from the 93-96 seasons, but so help me God, when they all became Rich, I want so disgusted at the whole thing that I bailed ship! The last 5-10 minutes of the show DID redeem some of the damage that the last season did, but did Roseanne REALLY NEED TO SPEND 22 episodes on "Day dreaming b.s?!?" *Sigh. I guess there really isn't a show about "the average us!"
    you people need to get your facts straight. this show was still hilarious during 1993-94 (6th season). It actually had some of the best episodes ever (smoking pot, dj behind closed doors, the kiss, discovering david in chicago, etc). and there was still some of the magic left over for season 7, although it was a bit strained, and jackie became completely annoying as fred's wife.but, let's just give it that much recognition and credit: that it was a friggin funny show for seven years. It was when the original becky came back that this show tanked. It just wasn't funny anymore, and everything appeared staged and phony. It was straining to squeeze out any laughter it could get. But what really showed that this show was never going to be "appointment tv" ever again was the halloween episode when the new baby was born. And of course, what made this show officially unfunny forever was the disneyworld episode. But that 9th season, man, that just takes the cake. That was enough reason to NEVER WATCH THIS GODDAMN SHOW EVER AGAIN. They couldn't just let it burn out, they HAD to kill it all the way.
    I have been an avid fan of Roseanne since it started in 1988. We used to sit an watch it together, my mom, dad, little brother and I. It was really great to see a show that was so realistic about the middle class. When Roseanne was on, the four of us would get together in the living room, stop everything and watch. We laughed together SO much...but then everything changed. As much as I love Roseanne and try to get into the last two seasons...I just can't. I can't tell you how many times my dad and I would be watching Roseanne and one of the last season shows would come on and we'd ignore it, spending the entire half-hour remembering the FUNNY moments of the show. "Then...it happened...Becky...cut...the cheese..." (That was OUR favorite). They had such a great show that viewers could identify with...the oldest daughter, Becky, showing all the attitude problems and "knowledge of life" when she was about fourteen...the middle daughter, Darlene, a tomboy with a great sarcastic humor, and DJ the goofy little one we all loved so much... Why did they change it all? No one can identify with a family that wins the lottery, or when every character flaw changes. Becky going from the A+ student to a girl who marries a complete moron and ends up in a trailer park...Darlene who loved sports and making fun of her "barbie doll" sister to a complete bitch who had nothing better to do than put down her boyfriend-turned- husband...DJ "Mom...Darlene called me a prevert..." to DJ hardly getting any airtime other than stupid crap that his character didn't fit...Dan the goofy dad everyone loved to Dan the sleezeball who cheats on his wife when he goes to California...Jackie the trucker, Jackie the cop, Jackie the hilariously clueless about men character who turned into a neurotic obsessive mother...then a LESBIAN?! Come on...that show was so great and it just...flopped. I wish they'd never done the last season. I hated it. I loved that show so much and I HATED that last season. I didn't mind the Becky change all that much (especially when they poked fun of it ("My sister's the same but she isn't the same, my sister's the same but she isn't the same..." "Identical Beeeeeeeckyyyyyyyyyssss..."), but if they were going to cast Sarah Chalke as Becky...they should have LEFT her as Becky. They shouldn't have brought back Lecy. And they shouldn't have changed the Becky character completely. It wasn't even a gradual change. Once she was a perfect student, all she cared about was dating and kissing and the things that all normal girls care about...then MARK comes along and ruins the character of Becky and everything her character was completely. There were just too many drastic changes in characters, plots...the parodies became ridiculous (the episode where they parody "Rosemary's Baby" with Darlene's baby). I miss the good ol' days... "All right! Old Stupid's comin back!" What a shame it all had to change...
    First off let me say that Roseanne when it was on was my favorite show for years. Darlene Conner was my hero! I think the problem with Roseanne wasn't so much that it "Jumped The Shark" as swam teasingly in front of it for the whole of the final season. Up until then it was one of the funniest things on television and I looked forward to it every week. I agree with the person who made the comments above on the final episode being insulting to the viewers. I was willing to forgive the last season up until that point because it was consistantly funny for years. But whoever you are, you are right, I like to pretend the last episode never happened. I know it made a lot of people angry. But at it's peak it was one the best shows around and I still miss it!
    During the last season this show didn't see one JTS cliche that it didn't like. It was soooo egregious it looked like Roseanne was begging the viewers to demand her cancellation. The trip to Disneyworld just after Disney bought ABC was such a sickening cross-promotion that makes you hope the unemployment line got longer. Everything happening after the lottery was a free for all, lacking the discipline needed for comedy. The stories had no rules, hence no laughs. But the show's decline started long before Roseanne's character got rich. Somewhere in the middle of the series run, when Dan's mother was sent to the looney bin, the show made such a shameless grab for an emmy that you wonder why they didn't just flash the trophy on the screen. It would have been more subtle. From there on, the show stopped being a comedy about everyman's struggle to make life just a little bit better in mid-America. Instead it alternated from heavy-handed social commentary to a parade of cult icons like Tracy Lords, Tim Curry, Shelly Winters, and Fred Willard. Switching Beckys was actually a good idea, since Lecy Goranson was irritating to begin with. At least the replacement was something for the eyes.
    I have been reading a lot of very good and bad comments regarding Roseanne but now I am going to weigh in on this. My feeling on Roseanne is that she was and is a true genius. Unfortunately all true genius' go insane as Roseanne did after she dumped Tom Arnold. (Tom is a guy I swear acts like a no talent fool as a put-on .) The show was truely in it's prime between 1989-1994, (Roseannes entire marriage to Tom.) The episodes were consistantly well writen and real. I say Rosie was a genius because although her insanity truely became apparent during the 1994-95 season with the liposuction, hollywood attitude and new face and erratic behavior she could still come up with a truely classic episode from time to time. (The gay wedding with Leon was the one and only time a gay marriage was done right on tv while maintaining the laughs and not getting preachy the way Friends did. Unfortunately genius' go nuts because they can't handle their own brilliance or the fame and fortune that so often goes with it. The final season was a complete asent into this kind of manic behavior since there was nobody left to keep her grounded. The fights on the set over the last 2 to 3 years made it even worse and it finally drove John Goodman, whom we all loved off the show. It's a shame because this show would have been remembered as the single greatest family sitcom ever had someone more stable been the star because all the supporting tools were there.
    Dude, I have never seen such a non-bull**** show go to bull**** before in my life. In fact, I think it is THE ONLY SHOW to ever have died such a disasterous death in that fashion. It didn't just die, it died like nothing has ever died before.
    In the episode where the cast parodies Gilligan's Island, Laura Metcalf played Gilligan himself and sadly was stuck in that role for the duration of the series. Winning the lotto did not help!
    "Roseanne" would have to go down in history in my mind as the most successfull truly horrendously terrible show in history. What in the world people saw in this total waste of broadcasting time I will never know. The scripts were terrible, the acting (except John Goodman) was horrible. "Roseanne" and "Married With Children" will forever live in infamy in my mind as the biggest wastes of broadcasting space that never, ever seemed to end. It was revolting!
    This is one of the more complex examples of a show losing it. Contrary to the opinions of some, Roseanne was at one time a top notch comedy in which the humor was rooted in character rather than goofy arbitrary situations. The jibes that would come out of Roseanne's mouth weren't exactly the same as the blustering humor of Dan, or the sarcasm of Darlene. Whatever situational humor existed was kept in the realm of everyday life--first menstruation, D.J. discovers masturbation, Becky discusses making out with Darlene, the parents are overworked and exhausted. It understood the whole working class ethos. Roseanne jumped the shark about midway through its run, but it's hard to isolate one cause. (Other than the suddenly ultra-lame writing. Maybe Tom Arnold's contribution was very much underestimated. The show was actually at or near its peak during his tenure). But like the Supreme Court's view of pornography, we knew trash when we saw it even if there were no singular culprit. Out of nowhere, there were a dozen plus characters crowding the screen--notably, the overbearing Estelle Parson role. The characters all changed their personalities. They became less distinct. Suddenly the show was embracing the standard bad sitcom approach of having everyone step back and Deliver A Joke. My first "uh oh" might have occurred after all the grown children returned and the boyfriend and the mother and sister and everyone else for all practical purposes lived under that one roof, and Dan threw up his hands and broadly yelled, a la Jackie Gleason, why couldn't he get some peace and quiet around here?! From there we got exaggerated situations rather than believable character interaction. No attention to the unique personalities. The final pathetic season doesn't even seem like it should seriously be regarded as part of the Roseanne show, any more than we should fantasize that Jaws 4 was the real destiny of the characters in Jaws. Lottery, brushes with royalty--fish out of water a la the Beverly Hillbillies? For the first time, the low class Connor life seemed trashy for real, without a shred of the nobilty it once commanded.
    "Roseanne" was actually a funny show that detailed blue-collar life in Middle America. It's stars were ordinary looking people, living ordinary lives and Roseanne would humorously comment on the goings-on in their otherwise dull lives. The show should have ended at the end of its ninth season- John Goodman wanted off the show to make movies. However, ABC renewed the show and the show truly jumped the shark in the ninth season premiere- when Roseanne won the Illinois state Lottery!! HUH? The show then transformed from the blue-collar Connor family to the crassy nouveau riche Roseanne and her bumbled attempts at social climbing. John Goodman, who had long toiled as her husband, took a lesser role, with his character going to California for most of the season to care for his never before seen mother. What was Roseanne thinking? Was she trying to trash her own show in its final season and alienate the viewers who had made her show a success and herself a star? At the end of the show's first season, The National Enquirer or some other tabloid printed a rumor that Roseanne would begin its second season with Roseanne and family winning the lottery. I didn't believe it at the time, as most tabloid stories weren't true, but it did come true, eight years later. The final episode was even worse. Roseanne tried to cover up the final dreadful season by making all the ludicrous events part of some book that she was writing. In fact Dan was dead and Roseanne was still poor, but deluded into a fantasy world where she had won the lottery? HUH? Still shaking my head over that one. What a terrible way to end what was once a funny and entertaining show.
    It happened when Tom Arnold left the show as Arnie but came back when the Connors went to Hollywood and attended the "Jackie Thomas Show." A shameless attempt for Roseanne to drum up viewers for her husband's (at that time) lame show. It lost that flare when it lost touch with reality.
    The day David showed up and Becky changed, the show really took a dive. It was once my favorite show on television. Everyone on the show seemed to real and down to earth; I loved the way the house was always a bit messy the way a real home would be. I'm about the same age as Darlene so in a way I grew up with the show. I had a huge crush on her too, but when that goofball showed up and started dating her, and they traded in smart, realistic Becky for the dumb airheaded bimbo Becky it just made me sick. Then the lottery thing was just so stupid, that was the final blow to this once great show. I didn't even see the final episode so I did not know that Dan died on the show, but I think that is horrible. At least I can tape the early shows, and pretend the later shows never happened.
    I don't think that there was any one moment in which the show went from good to bad. Seasons 1-4 were great TV; really funny and good stuff. Realistic going ons of an average mid-western American family. The high point, IMO was the end of the 4th season after Roseanne got laid off and the bike shop was going under. Seasons 5-7 were ok, but not on par with the first 4 seasons, of course they kept switching the actresses playing Becky and the writing wasn't as good as it was. Each season saw the show getting worse. Seasons 8 and 9 were terrible. There was nothing worth watching during those two seasons, even the series finale was just plain bad. Roseanne just went along and changed the story for no good reason, other than to inflate her ego. It should have ended with Darlene and David getting married at the end of the 8th season and a mystery with what happened to Dan. Would have made a much more interesting ending.
    I have three all-time favorite sitcoms and Roseanne is and still is one of them. Without question, the first four or five seasons has to go down as one of the best written and acted episodes in TV sitcom history. BUT, with that said, the sharks started swimming around Roseanne's chubby little body when Becky got married to Mark. The period starting with Rodbell's, Becky/Mark conflict and the bikeshop were true classics but as soon as Becky (and Lecy) left the show, the sharks started smelling blood. It was still relevant after that for awhile and I agree that Tom did seem to be there for the show's peak so he should be given some credit. When the new Becky (what a horrible actress...how did she land a job over with Scrubs? Oh whoops...that show jumped, no, f***ed the shark since the first episode) showed up, unfortunately, the great show Roseanne started dancing with the sharks big-time! The episodes from season's five to six were getting more and more weak but still some were good...season seven only showed hints of the great show it use to be, then eighth and finally the ridiculous ninth season finally had Roseanne jumping and f***ing the shark with all her might! The characters we all liked watching because they seemed real had become caricatures of their former selves. The acting had become ridiculous, cartoonish, and unbelievably lazy. The writing was the worst I've ever seen in a sitcom. How can a show that started out so great and had the potential to become one of the greatest fall down so low so badly? I have Roseanne to blame for this...as soon as she took more and more control, the show jumped. The final episode was sort of creative except it seemed like a way to say "hey, I screwed up with the last couple of seasons so here I'm gonna erase it all and kill the spirit of the characters you all love so much!" The final episode should have had the same spirit as the earlier ones...Dan dying was realistic to the essence of the show, but what really should have happened to the other characters? Becky should have dumped Marc, moved back home, and then I don't know what...Darlene and David getting married ok...but a baby and Darlene stuck at home? Too similiar to Becky...Jackie getting pregnant ok but marriage no...loose meat joint? Ridiculous and unrealistic after Dan's failed bikeshop venture...Beverly I hated from the beginning, she should have stayed a minor character like Dan's dad, who's f***ing idea was it for her to become a major one? The last episode should have been Roseanne looking back at her life (showing recollection of past episodes, sort of a "Best Of" show), writing about it, and showing how everyone ends up, some characters having a bad ending some with good ones, like life, which was the show's strongest point, making the storylines and characters so realistic and mirroring lower middleclass families...I still watch the reruns up until the new Becky episodes and the episodes after that and I have Roseanne to thank for the first couple of great seasons and her to thank for throwing the show to the goddamn sharks!!!!!
    This show is symptomatic of what should be another shark category: Too Much Control by a Star. Mad About You and The Nanny are 2 other prime examples. Once Roseanne started becoming a control freak, and taking over the storylines (after Tom Arnold left), the show tanked, crashed, sucked, et cetera. I remember one particular low point where Roseanne was in deep depression, and the family implores her to come out, and she eventually comes out saying "I am an inspiration to all of you..." Not any more....
    That quasi-human plastic surgery look...if you can afford $25,000 in facial surgery, then BUY A NEW COUCH. Although Tom Arnold was part of the problem, I believe that any money-grubbing, semi-talented oaf would have been able to fill our chubby ex-suburban stand-up with delusions of grandeur.
    First of all, I'm a huge fan of the show. I set up a season's pass on Tivo, and re-watched nearly every episode of Roseanne from 1988-97. Let's begin: First of all, the early episodes in which Roseanne, Jackie and her friend all worked at Wellman's plastic were very good. I can't remember the redheaded friend's name, but the fact that she had a husband that was buried alive in concrete sounds not only plausible but quite funny considering their social status. I'll skip around to my favorite shows: The satire making fun of 50's shows, Roseanne & Jackie's Dad die, and a relative calls, "He's no longer with us. He's gone!...He's passed away!...He's DEAD!!!...pause....He's just fine, he'll see you soon"! How funny was that? Then when the kids are playing scrabble. "Bucketdy" Great word! How about when Dan and Roseanne wanted to go out, but Jackie had the monopoly board all ready to play, but no one would play with her! How pathetic, yet humorous! When the original Becky came back, during the outtakes, they had both old and new Becky(s) moving about in front of one another...pure classic. How about the "slippery" kitched floor, where Mark does the ice skating bit? Let's not forget the Halloween episode in which Dan is dressed up like Marie Antoinette and Jackie's head is the decapitated talking skull. Yes, they lost me in the last year, especially with the British humor bits and the Disney stuff, but hands down this is my favorite TV show of all time. Brilliant writing, especially the ending. I hope to see Roseanne again in something soon.
    I think that 3 things made the show (the writing, Sara Gilbert and Laurie Metcalf) and three things detroyed the show (Roseanne's ego, Roseanne's unprofessionalism and Roseanne's relationship with Tom Arnold). The show was my favorite at about the middle of the road, then it just became embarrassingly stupid.
    Who didn't have a baby on the show at the end of their run? I remember this show was so damn good until they made all of them have babies at once it seemed. I'm surprised as hell that DJ didn't knock some chick up and have his baby. This definitely made Roseanne jump the shark.
    This show jumped when they won the lottery and started to do stupid things and when the last episode was about how the entire show was just Roseanne's imagination. The first two or three seasons where great but when Roseanne started getting more bitchy and controlling with her family it started to turn. In the first season the show was about the family and not her always yelling and wanting everything done her way.
    When Sara Gilbert wanted to attend college so Darlene attended college out of state. It was the season Roseanne suddenly got this weird perma-tan. I also thought the story of the Connors was great when they were struggling and realistic- e.g. when Roseanne's mom Bev found out her husband had a mistress. The episode where Roseanne and Jackie take a road trip in the truck to see "the other woman" is a classic- an example of great writing and actual meaning to the family's stories. Compare that with an episode in the last two seasons where Roseanne and Jackie take jobs giving out samples in a supermarket and falling over each other competing for customers. It was pretty sad. You could see the decline the season where there was an issue-of-the-week, e.g. where Jackie got beaten up by her boyfriend...this season was okay, but it became more and more about Roseanne's personal issues and became more and more overdone. The new Becky in the trailer park with Mark and Darlene losing her rebellious attitude showed that the writing had lost touch with the characters' realities. There were sporadic good episodes until the whole thing didn't even have any of Roseanne's angst. Bev and Jackie fighting over the same man? It was strange that the more money they seemed to make (first the loose meat place and then the lottery...) the more the writers lost all good ideas. Maybe they needed the grief.
    A lot of people say that the show jumped when the new Becky showed up, but I think it was more when the old Becky originally left, running off with Mark to get married. This marked the first of the major unbelievable changes in character that kept happening in the show, culminating in half the characters being gay by the last season. Sure, Becky was head over heels for bad-guy Mark, but she still had her head on reasonably straight. After this, the show went downhill with change after change.
    I didn't see the last season of Roseanne when it was on ABC. But recently TBS has been airing those episodes. They're HORRIBLE, not funny one bit. And that one where they were on a train fighting terrorists, I couldn't believe how bad that one was. I was in shock literally. Seasons 1-6 were VERY hilarious. Season 7 had it's moments...but still VERY watchable. Season 8 was kinda bad, but it's to be expected that a show would get bad after being on for 8 years. The 8th year is where they should've ended it, but noooooo...they had to drag it on and ruin the whole series. I hope Roseanne isn't too proud of herself for ruining one of the funniest shows to ever grace television.
    I loved Roseanne's show, too bad she's so insane! she had a great cast and awesome writers until for some reason someone let her run the show and she ran it into the ground and spit on it. her talk show was so sad, tacky and insane. I want to admire her but she needs help, she has great ideas but everything she touches eventually turns to ****. about the show, here's a few major things. besides her amazing turnabout in clothes and hair styles, the constant changing of her and Dan's history. in one early episode Roseanne gives Dan hell for almost getting into a bar fight at the Lobo. she's all like please don't fight, afraid of her tough husband's past. in later episodes she would praise Dan for fighting, justified when he beat up Fisher, but she cheered him on when he wanted to beat up Becky's boss. Another weird switch was Roseanne's baby from a girl to a boy. it was a realisitc move to have Darlene pregnant and her dream's crushed. poor Dan never got to find his place in life, always drifting in jobs, his one chance, his bike shop a failure. just because a show is a sitcom doesn't mean it has to always be funny. the show had a lot of drama, it was convincing and real until they won that damn lottery. it was lagging right around the introduction of the fake Becky, the musical Beckys and the filling up the house of people that didn't really have to be there and all the gay old people. they never really developed DJ much. all of a sudden he wants to be a filmaker how Dawson's Creek. the show had such great supporting cast like Bonnie Sheridan, Roseanne's waitress friend at Rodbell's who was an awesome singer and dated David Crosby! I have to agree about the muddled past of Dan and Roseanne, like John Popper is the guest star so suddenly Dan was in a band. they abandoned Dan's musical talents. the show was only so disappointing in the end because it was so awesome from the start and up until the last season, except for boring Fred, destroying the Jackie character into a comic clown. the kids were real thought,they acted, dressed and looked real, it was great that they had teenaged girls, most sitcom couples have boys. one of the most inspiring moments on Roseanne was were Roseanne quit her job at the Wellman factory. also the credits were very stingy, it's nice that they kept it Connor and Jackie only but Mark and David had way more screen time then Darlene and especially Becky and where only given end credits. the John Popper theme song was cool. but basically roseanne sold out her show for her own interests and concerns and she's a crazy woman. also Dan's mother which was treated with such sensitivety became cheap comedy in the last season. John Goodman is an awesome actor and created an awesome trully memorable man with Dan Connor. Roseanne just believes to much in the theory that she has split personalities.
    Roseanne's dad started out as a loveable oaf who was a comic foil with their mom, then he is portrayed as being a cheating, wife-beating drunk.
    I have been a fan of this show since I was a little girl. I watched it straight up until the very last episode, then sort of forgot about it. I'm just recently getting into it again with the reruns shown on FOX at night. But my vote is going to have to go for winning the lottery. I remember watching that and thinking "oh, look, it's starting to become a Hollywood fantasy show instead of the realistic portrayal of life that I'm used to." I've always admired Roseanne... I think women need more people like her to represent us. Yes, she is loud, boarish, and egotistical... so WHAT! That's why I love her. She doesn't take sh*t from anyone. And she's a big woman and I very rarely (if ever) heard her character on that show complain about her weight or put herself down. I grow so weary of these 120 lb girls on tv shows who do nothing but whine about being "fat." Eh... I'm getting off-track here. Basically I'm just defending Roseanne and this show against the attacks some people have posted here. And what has everyone got against David (Johnny Galecki)? I always liked him. Cute and sensitive. I would have dated him myself. Roseanne's family on that show mirrored my own. We make fun of each other, get mad, laugh, cry, and go through ups and downs just like the show did. There was no Hollywood glitz involved until they won the lottery.
    Not really jumping the shark, but am I the only one that noticed that the very first episode had a different actor playing D.J.? As for the show's downfall, Dan's heart attack was the end. The only thing funny about the final season was Mark. Roseanne's incessant left wing preaching and the incredibly lame plot lines (Jim F**kin' VARNEY???) were practically intolerable. I'd prefer to think that season never happened.
    This show had it's ups and downs (hell, it was on for nine years so of course the quality dwindled), and the lottery plotline was absurd...but why all the criticisms directed toward Tom Arnold? Granted, he never would have gotten involved with the show had he not been married to the star, but face it, his character Arnie was often hilarious and Tom Arnold played him to the hilt. The episode when Arnie returns to Lanford and discovers his ex-wife (Sandra Bernhard) is a lesbian is a classic, largely due to Tom Arnold's hysterically funny reaction to the news. Given the right material, the guy can be an effective comic actor.
    When they won the lottery...Why didn't they move to a bigger...better house instead of remodeling and buying a new couch?
    I stopped watching Roseanne about the time Darlene left for college, so, with the exception of the final episode, I missed all of the **** that everyone has mentioned. No need to re-hash it. All who watched know the various degrees of Connor crap. But before, it was great. Someone explained that the story-line where David moves in was unrealistic because most people would just have called social services. That's true, but I still don't think it was totally unbelievable, as it was written. You have to remember that both Dan and Roseanne were furious that David had been hiding out at their house. Roseanne quickly ushers him out before Dan has a melt down. Upon returning David home, he decides he will go live with his father, which is just wishfull thinking on his part. After his emotionally unstable mother begins verbally and physically abusing him, Roseanne acts on gut instinct, offering the retraction-- "Umm...ok, I change my mind David. You can come stay at our place", while gently pulling him in her direction. That one tiny scene, amidst all of the humor and chaos, was a hundred times more poweful than the jumbled " I was just writting my emotions down on paper" soliloquy in the dreadful final episode.
    Rosanne, when it debuted;was the funniest show of 1987. Some say it was the beginning of the end for the Cosby Show. I might agree with that. It was a finally a show that really portrayed being working class in America(Although they had a messy house, believe it or not most working middle class people keep their houses tidier than that.) Anyway the writing was good, the actors were good, ie: John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf... Roseannne in the early seasons kind of looked like a fish out of water,then she got the hang of acting to a degree. The story lines were realistic, and so forth...Then beginning in the season that was the third to last,everything went bananas...I think roseanne must have told the cast to " Just F**K IT" because everything seemed to fall apart.. First, Jackie went nuts and I mean nuts, then the new becky shows up( BY THE WAY THE NEW BECKY, SARAH CHALKE was ten times hotter looking than that odd looking big butted tom boy Lecy Garrinson...Plus Sarah now has a hit show wheres Lecy? Just wanted to shout that to all the anti Sarah folks.) But the thing that sticks out in my mind is you knew the show was doomed when all the characters started laughing at the jokes. The problem was , the audience wasnt laughing along.
    The last season. That last season was one of the worst dropoffs of a quality show in the history of TV. There was always a few duds in every season of Rosanne, but that last season... whew. That stunk up the joint. The other thing that never set right with me -- when Darelene revealed she was pregnant, the audience applauded. What? That's a good thing? Let's have a teenager get pregnant before she can even move out of the house? Jeez. Teenage pregnancies are nothing to applaud about. This show did have a dose of realism that seperated itself form your typical family sitcoms -- that was what made the show good, but then they had to go straight into the shark's mouth with that last season.
    Let’s face it: this show started inching its way up the ramp when its deluded star began arresting creative control. I’m quite amazed that with all of the backstage drama throughout its 8-year run the quality was as good as it was for as long as it was. The show probably peaked around the 3rd or 4th season when its portrait of a financially struggling blue-collar family was at its most exacting. It coasted for a couple of years and then began its jump w/the beginning of Roseannes make-over years and coincidentally or not, the departure of the original Becky. I can’t quite remember when Roseanne started to think she could be the next Elle Macpherson but I don’t think it helped the show at all. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying it was a bad thing that she lost weight and got some surgery, but her character and demeanor seemed to change in direct proportion to how much surgery and weight she lost. She did seem to gain self-confidence from this and her acting improved but I kind of liked Roseanne less self-assured with her comic delivery a little off-kilter. Let’s not even discuss the whole winning the lottery thing. This has got to be one of the worst(if not the worst) changes in direction of a popular show ever. I can almost picture the gaping mouths of her staff frozen in incredulity after Roseanne threw this idea out at the pitch meeting. What the hell was she thinking?! For her sake, I hope it was drugs but unfortunately, I don’t think this was the case. All that said, this show would have been nowhere w/out the talents of John Goodman & Laurie Metcalf. They were, imo, the mvp’s of the show. I also loved Sara Gilbert and her wonderfully dry line readings. Anyway, a fine show ruined by yet another star whose ego seemed to inflate in direct proportion to her success.
    They seemingly jumped the shark on a weekly basis. From character changes, to break ups, to homosexuality, to character fights, to the annual dreadful Halloween episodes, to Roseanne's weight loss, I don't think there was a shark they DIDN'T jump with this show. Roseanne used to say the the reason people hated her was because she was "white trash with money". The truth is that people hated her because she consistently put on a bad show, week after week.
    Well Roseanne started out pretty mediocre. But the show kept getting funnier and funnier by the season up until about season 5 when the show peeked at it's hilarity. Season 6 although still hilarious saw a huge dip quality, mainly because of the new Becky. Season 7 saw the exit of the reason why the show stayed funny for so many years (Tom Arnold). I truly believe that Roseanne could've remained just as funny if Roseanne the person would've stepped back and not stuck her 300lbs self into every aspect of production. But for 3 or 4 seasons this was the funniest thing on television.
    Roseanne Jumped when they turned Jackie (Laurie Metcalf) into a complete moron! Jackie was the best character on tv until the 6th or 7th season. Oh and by the way Tom Arnold is NOT funny!
    This show bypassed the shark and headed straight for the bottom feeders the minute some addle brained exec thought to cast a mediocre one-joke stand-up comedian in the lead. "Grossanne" epitomized the most disagreeable low-life elements of stereotypical trailer park trash. Giving her her own forum, then fawning over her repulsive behavior as if she were the most wonderful person on TV ranks as one of America's most questionable acts. She claims people hate her because she's "white trash with money"; I would find her repugnant whether she were filthy (perfect adjective) rich or flat broke. It's just that, being rich, we had to put up with her on TV giving us such decorous images as scratching her crotch in front of God and country like the town slut. As for her "self-confidence" after surgery, there's a line between self-confidence and obnoxious arrogance. This surgery merely pointed out the hypocrisy of a woman, supposedly proud of her "domestic goddess" looks, who comes into money. To paraphrase Moms Mabley: you shouldn't speak of the dead unless it's good. This show is dead. Good.
    Hey, I actually thought Roseanne's screeching of the national anthem was triumphantly heroic. She diminished this falsely-authoritative symbol that Americans unquestioningly and foolishly find sacred. When the news reported it, call-in viewers were crying HYSTERICALLY because she tarnished something so "meaningful." Good. Serves them right for being so goddamn stupid, and for thinking that there is strength and pride to be found in something that blatantly celebrates the subordination of the individual to a herd mentality. I'm glad she wrecked that song to bits. It's just what it deserved. And the whole event was good entertainment too. It was so inappropriate, but yet she mutilated something that should hold no meaning for any individual with an independent mind. In my book, it was a glorious hot California July day in 1990 at that Padres game. Besides, the Padres won, and they should be kissing her ass because the only day they ever won a goddamn game was the day she went down to San Diego and sang to them. The author of this site has it very, very wrong when he said the show went downhill right after the "star-spangled banner" fiaso. Very wrong, indeed. The fact is, the show immediately dropped from #1 to #3 (not a real dent in the show's success at all). And a year later, it went to #2. The year after that it was #2 again. The year after that it went to #4, and then #8. And then it went to #16, and then #32, and there was a huge reason for that drop-off. It was the goddamn baby plotline. Not Jackie's baby, but Roseanne's baby. Completely unnecessary. A lot of people like to think that it JTS when they won the lottery, but it happened way before that. It really happened the moment Roseanne became pregnant in the 7th season. Sure, there have been about 15 good episodes since then, but that's nothing when it's out of 60 shows. Especially in the 8th season after she had the baby, the show became excruciatingly tedious and tiresome. When the Connors won the lottery, it became utterly and completely unwatchable. So, the show's star did two very distinct things for this show. She helped make it the funniest show on TV for about 5 five years (from seasons 2-7, especially 4-6), and she also single-handedly destroyed this show starting in the 7th season (coincidentally, after Tom Arnold left, although I do not think he is funny at all). The show did not decline because of plastic surgery or because of Becky #2 or because of Sara Gilbert's departure. It was the baby plotline that killed it. Just remember, for those of you who enjoyed this show, it may have ended a most disastrous death because of its star's ego, but there would never have been a good show in the first place without the show's star. I recognize that John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf and Sara Gilbert were better actors than her, but she ran such a tight ship as a producer up until the 7th season, that that is why the writing and the lighting and so forth were the most commendable elements to this show for many many years. She wanted the writers' blood, and that's what she got, and we all got a really great show from that for many years. Of course, the last two years (especially the lottery plotline) puts the show's legacy behind Cosby's on many critics' lists, which is a goddamn shame. Because it simply not true that if you take Cosby's 4 best years and put them against Roseanne's 4 best years, it just doesn't match up. Cosby always sucked. Roseanne, at least, had a few superb years. And there's a reason that show knocked Cosby out of the #1 spot.
    The show TOTALLY changed when the original Becky left, but I still loved it...until the won the lottery; they lost me there. The early years when the kids are young & they are a struggling working class family made it my favorite show of all time. The kids grew up, too many people came & left & it started getting very lame the last 2 years.
    Okay, so forget the 2 Becky's and the last season. This show started off cute, then grew into one of the greatest, well written sitcoms of all time. To people who gripe that it jumped the shark from day one, you obviously just hate Roseanne or you only saw a couple of early episodes. There were so many multi-layered characters and relationships. Roseanne and Jackie's love/hate relationship with their mother, Darlene's brooding mood which lasted years. This show didn't try to moralize and it presented characters in situations that felt real. Dan going to Becky's job at the Buy & Bag to punch out her manager who called her bad names (but found Mark had already done so); Roseanne taking Jackie back to the apartment she shared with Fisher to move out after we find out he was physically abusing her; Roseanne's father's affair; D.J. cutting school and Roseanne punishing him not by grounding him, but by paying a visit to his school dressed as a hayseed with bright red lipstick. Most of the time it was funny, sometimes painful but rarely unwatchable. My only real problem with the show (other than last season) was that Roseanne's character went from being grumpy but loving to downright mean and sometimes childish. You know what? This show was brilliant and should be given credit for the 90% of the good shows they gave us and not focus on one bad season.
    I have always hated Roseanne. It's a horrible show and I don't care if it's suppost to portray the 90's "American" family. There pigs Roseanne and Dan are lazy bums who never get off there fat lazy asses. All Roseanne does is complain. The whole show should have been cancelled from day one.
    The switching of the actress in the role of Becky in my opinion was the "Shark Jump". Although you know it's only a sitcom you still feel like you have time invested in the charachters. But this show was still one of the best working class sitcom's of all time. Regardless of it's flaws the first 4 or 5 seasons were excellent. The Conner's were like the Cleaver's on acid!
    When Darlene left for college the show seemed to loose something special. Sara Gilbert's absense was too obvious from most episodes.
    I read all these comments and very little is said about Dan Connor. John Goodman is my favorite actor. He was the funniest person on the entire show. He some how put up with Roseanne and managed to deal with the kids and roseanne's ridiculous family and still seem like he was a lucky guy. he would never have cheated on roseanne in california, that was ridiculous, and i can't even think about the fact that he died on the last episode it is just too sad.
    When Becky changed, when DJ got more lines, when they won the lottery, when Roseanne's boss/friends/whoever else was around at the time became the co-stars, a sudden homosexual approach to a backwards suburbia, Dan dies, Roseannes a writer, Darlene becomes soft, Jackies an idiot rather than neurotic, Dan isn't around enough (he made the show), Becky comes BACK (although the line 'where the hell have you been, seems like you've been gone for three years' was surpisingly clever and on the ball) and the final episode .. the last season was just her imagniation. Well, fantastic.
    For me Roseanne jumped when she was kissed by a hot looking lesbian at a gay bar. I mean the dyke is hot looking and she makes a move on Roseanne? I didn't think Lanford had that much beer! All that aside I used to really enjoy this show when it portrayed a realistic working class family, as in annoying family members, money trouble, unruly kid's etc,etc. It just became way to bizzare. And that kid who played DJ was well on his way to becoming some sort of creepy man/child. It just seemed to veer to far from it's original concept and story line. But you still can't beat the first few seasons.
    I agree that the show JTS with the lottery/last season. But for the first several seasons it ranks among the most innovative sitcoms on TV. The series was the 'anti-Huxtables' -- a true and accurate portrayal of lower-middle class America. Interestingly, during the first season, you will note that Rosaeanne does not act so much as does her sand-up schtick. However, in later seasons, she comes into her own as a decent actress. I agree that Dan is overlooked as a character. But the supporting actors were so well chosen and written (up until the last seasons): Bev was annoying, but you can see why Roseanne became such an in-your-face woman. And Bev would have the perfect persoanlity to avoid dealing with her husband's affair all those years. And if you wanted Nana Mary to be a proto-Roseanne, who better than Shirley Winters! inspired! Darlene mood adolescence was well done, not often seen on TV. I espceially liked the parade of friends sho came and went -- Bonnie, Crystal, the next door neighbor who did not like Roseanne. The show also portrayed the Connors has having both black and white friends, and it never became 'an issue' or a source of jokes. It just was. Bravo to her for that!
    The only time this show jumped was the final season. But up until then this was a great show. It was as somebody already pointed out The Anti-Huxtables.These people were a lot more realistic as a middle class family than the politically currect yuppy feces that are the Huxtables. I mean these people dressed like everyday middle class people. As opposed to the nerd gear The Cosby crew wore. They did normal middle class things like bowling. You think any of the prissy Huxtables would be caught dead in a bowling alley? And they hung out in a bar or a burger joint not some Über-trendy coffee house or some jazz club to watch grandpa #1,957,342 lip synching along to (insert old blues musician here).
    Everyone is saying winning the lottery is when the show jumped the shark, but I'm not even familiar with that episode- I stopped watching before that. I didn't like the flavor of the show when all the characters' personalities started doing 180's. Roseanne went from being jokingly sarcastic, always on the verge of a smile, to being just plain nasty. It was around the time the horrible new Becky moved back in with Mark. Roseanne was always snapping at everyone. Becky totally changed (didn't the writers know that just because an actor changes, that doesn't mean the CHARACTER is supposed to change, also?) She went from being smart to being a total bimbo, giving up on school, working at Hooters and thinking it's great, and living in a trailer and thinking that's great, too. Jackie also turned into a total psycho. I also didn't like the annoying supporting characters that were taking over the show- the mother, Fred, Mark, Nancy, Leon (although he was cool when he was just Roseanne's boss who happened to be gay, when she worked at the diner.) But later, when everyone and their grandmother was gay, it got really old. Even Roseanne's wardrobe got unrealistic- I remember one episode where she was wearing some trendy dress and combat boots- what middle-aged woman in Lanford Illinois would wear combat boots, except maybe on Halloween? The relationship between Dan and Roseanne totally changed, too. It's like they weren't even married anymore. They were both doing their own things, and didn't seem to be PARTNERS. I remember thinking, over and over "Why does he stay with her? She's so awful to him, and everyone around her." She seemed to have developed this attitude of "I'm so wonderful and important and I rule the lives of everyone I know, and I'm their queen," forgetting that she's just a lower-middle-class, small-town housewife. I think this was her Hollywood ego infiltrating her character. At the beginning, she was white trash, and she knew it, and always joked about it. Basically, everything that made the show special when it began was gone long before it ended.
    Has everyone forgotten that the Devil tried to steal Darlene's baby? When the devil becomes a character then the shark has surely been jumped.
    ok. Roseanne and her family is on this train and they get hijacked by a group from some sexist country that make their women not talk. They keep Roseanne's family in a different room on the train and Roseanne goes to find them. She puts on camo pants, a top in which you see too much cleavage and too much large pale stomach, boots, and a bandana. She goes and attacks the hijackers by throwing hot hair curlers at them and shooting tampons at then like blow darts. If that isn't jumping the shark, what is?
    I stopped watching this show during its original airing shortly after the second Becky showed up, but I saw all of the rest of the episodes on reruns recently. Every time I thought I'd seen it all, it just got worse. First, there was second Becky. Bringing the character back was a fine idea, but the new actress was all cheerful and perky. The original Becky was sullen and had a caustic wit which played well along with both Roseanne's and Darlene's sarcasm. Then came the loose meat place, Jackie's marriage and baby, Roseanne's baby, and the dual kiss of death--the lottery and Darlene's baby. As others have pointed out, the lottery totally derailed the shows theme of a struggling working class family. Also, when Roseanne's mother became a weekly character it was horrible. She is so irritating it is not even comedic. Darlene, the cynic and only hope for the family, having a baby just put the icing on the cake. And the melodramatic, saccharin sweet episode where the baby is dying and the Connor's millions can't save it is just sickening.
    This show jumped the shark when Jackie got beaten up by her boyfriend and all of the characters began to act mean...that's when the show became a supposed drama, and it led to Becky getting married, and Roseanne getting pregnant...and a whole host of other problems
    It already started to suck. But having harmonica assassin John Popper do the theme song and appear on the show sealed it's fate in JTS history.
    This show has had more jump's than I can count. I mainly agree that the "Lottery" season was just pitiful. This show started out so good that's what's such a damn shame about it all. One show in particular that always bugged me was the one were"Ziggy" Dan's hell razin buddy (who up till now was never even so much as mentioned) comes to town to try get Dan back to his old knock em down piss on the wall self. Cut me a break the character was never before then portrayed as anything but a High School football jock who had a little rowdy streak in him and married young. So this guy wants to get Dan to rebuild his Harley that is in pieces all over the garage floor (that also bothered me why was it taken apart for no reason?) And in two weeks it is restored to show quality! please I myself have restored a car (69 Charger) and know from experience how long and expensive a project like that is. I mean weren't they supposed to be living from paycheck to paycheck at that point? All of a sudden Dan pulls a few thousand dollars out of his ass!! Anyway that episode always bugged me. Martin Mull was the only saving grace towards the end.
    Roseanne jumped the shark once Roseanne got that damn plastic surgery. I'm sorry, but for me, the show totally lost its small-town charm which made the earlier seasons so good. Though, this is still one of the greatest TV shows of all time.
    Everyone hates the final season, but I think that the end of the penultimate season was where Roseanne turned it from a very good sitcom into something approaching the epitome of 90s postmodern art. Dan has a heart attack. The season ends with an enormous row and he walks out. Then they win the lottery, and the series does seem to go down the toilet. Only for the series finale to rescue it magnificently with the revelation that none of it really happened, Dan died and Roseanne's character made it all up. Yeah, let's see Friends try and pull this one off.
    Pregnancy, Pregnancy, Pregnancy. Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay. Roseanne having a kid with PLATINUM blonde hair, and Jackie's new short haircut, plus the continuous switching of Beckys, (what the hell happened to Lecy Goranson? Did she take steroids or what?) John Goodman's goatee, winning the lottery and let's not forget adding words and computer morphing images to the theme song, plus Roseanne fancying herself a WRITER, made this the most memorable shark-jumping ever.
    I never liked this show. I mean Roseanne is just not very funny. Never has been and never will be. I have to admit the show had a working-class charm until they won the lottery in the final season. It got harder to watch than a Whoopi Goldberg movie. I remember one episode in particular, when the whole "family" was gathered together, it may have been Thanksgiving. Roseanne was wearing this slinky black dress with a plunge neckline and very little back. She lost weight, but who did she see when she looked in the mirror, Catherine Zeta Jones? I wanted to gouge my eyes out. And to top it off in the same episode, Roseanne's mom turns out to be gay. Of course she was gay, she was the only Republican character on the show and everybody in Hollywood knows that all Republicans have something in the closet that they are overcompensating for! All in all, a disasterous ending for an overrated show.
    The lottery, of course, is the most blatant shark jump. And I have to admit that's probably when the show technically hit the water. But for me, Roseanne soured a lot earlier than that. When Darlene got pregnant, specifically. I just couldn't watch anymore. I felt betrayed. Darlene was the one character I could actually relate to, the one who seemed like she had something better ahead of her. Then she got knocked up and married David (DAVID for Christ sake!), and I lost all respect for her. All that character developement, gone. I mean, the girl managed to get herself into college a year early, on scholarship. She can't remember to pop a pill?
    I love this website! But I would like to make a proposition to it's moderators. I would like to see a new category, especially for sitcoms. Call it 'The Sydication Syndrome'. Network sitcoms don't make real money unless they get into syndication, that takes at least 100 episodes or 4 full seasons. Once that happens, everyone associated with the program gets their royalties, and is just 'marking time'. No program in the history of US television is a better example of this than ABC' "Roseanne" (1988-'97). I was 12 when it started in October of '88 and I loved it from the start! Smart, sassy, funny, fun, anti-establishment and totally believable! The tornado episode, the one with the dead salesman, Darlene's poem at school and the one that introduces us to Roseanne's parents, all come to mind as favorites. In fact, the '88-'89 was probaply TOO good...it was downhill form there, albiet very slowly. "Roseanne" commits nearly every JTS cliche and ended as one of the worst major sitcoms, for me it was very hard to watch! A previous poster made the point about Tom Arnold's departure actually HURT the show, and I agree! I'm NO FAN of him, but Mr. Arnold helped keep the show 'grounded' and Roseanne's enormous ego in check. When he left around 1992, there was absolutely no one to stop Roseanne, and what did she do...? 1) Those damn Healy brothers were a problem. Mark was a bum and David a total wuss, (what DID Darlene ever see in him?!). 2) There were WAAAAAAY too many new characters from David, Mark, Leon, Fred, Fisher, Bev, Nancy (etc) who became major players instead of keeping the more original ones (Dwight, Crystal, Booker, etc.). 3) Puberty was a real problem with Darlene. She went from a charming tomboy to some kind of 'new aged gothic/nihilist'. I know many fans love that, but I found her very repellent, (and what DID David ever see in her anyway?). I realized by 1993, even though there were some good episodes, the glory days were long gone. I stopped watching regularly in 1995-I caught the final episode though, which did restore SOME dignity to show's status. 4) I thought DJ was underused, maybe because Michael Fishman doesn't rekindle fond memories of Ron Howard, but I would have liked to have seen more of him. 5) Everyone complains about Sara Chalke as Becky #2, but the real problem was bringing Lecy Goranson BACK, in '95 (?)! That was fatal for me! 6) There were just too many 'ridiculous' episodes, especially a weird obsession with Halloween. 7) The baby, Jerry Garcia Conner. 8) What was the obsession with being gay anyway? And I haven't mentioned the lottery! The first four seasons ('88-'92) were/are the best. "Roseanne" was COMEDY, not Commentary! If I want the latter, I'll watch the "McGlaughlin Group" Many other popular sitcoms have suffered from the 'syndie syndrome' ("Cosby", "Home Improvement", "Family Ties") But "Roseanne" took the cake...evidently, a lot of it!
    DEFINITELY when Roseanne hit the lottery ... UGH! The whole original appeal and premise of the show was her blue-collar family humor. Uh, it's not too funny when the rest of us are watching some uber-annoying bitch spend tons of money we don't have on stupid-ass crap! The fact that she does so in real life as well made it all the more irritating!
    "Roseanne" hit the rocks when Rosie (as Dan lovingly referred to her) had "Little Jerry".
    When Jackie and Fred split up. By that point, the old Becky came back, Mark continued to get dumber, and everyone was grasping at straws. The lottery episodes were no help. Roseanne jumping around in a bra and sweatpants?!!! eeeyew!
    The whole idea of Roseanne was that it was about ordinary Americans! How's it meant to make you feel better about your rubbish life if even Roseanne and her trailer park family can redecorate twice a year. This sucks!
    Roseanne ramped up to the final, spectacular shark jump of winning the lottery - the show had progressively declined as the egotistical real-life Roseanne could no longer handle pretending to be a member of the working class. I found Darlene's pregnancy to be a disappointment, but it was not particularly unrealistic. As for the new Becky, I thought that she was more believable as a wife for Mark than the original Becky, but perhaps that was the problem. Certainly whenever the original Becky returned to the role she acted as if someone had ruined her life while she wasn't paying attention. BTW, I did really like the final intro with everyone morphing through their changes over the years, and thought including both actresses as Becky was funny.
    The whole reason the Connors won the lottery because the writers were spent. It was a last-ditch effort. They did a fine job up until then. One of the best sitcoms of the last 25 years including Cheers and Seinfeld.
    Really. Rosanne's mom was just another horrible character on this horrible show. The whole series hung in mid-air over the shark from beginning to end. But the mom coming out of the closet as a lesbian? What were the writers thinking?
    I quit watching before the lottery, the pregnancies, etc. It just got stupid - I suppose about the time that they had the loose meat restaurant. What is loose meat anyway?? And the owner with the blonde hair and glasses - can't remember his name. I just quite watching it. And it had been one of my favorite shows in the beginning. I loved Roseanne's humor at times such as, "It's my job to embarrass you," she says to her kids. Then I used that line myself. HA! It was also hard watching Tom Arnold - he couldn't hold a candle to Dan. I's watch the reruns if there were any at least the first couple of years. I got a kick out of the conversation Roseanne had with Becky about "that guy Darrin on Bewitched" on how they changed the actor who played him. How stupid was that?
    This show was great because it wasn't a typical sitcom; sharp, sarcastic, clever writing and delivery from a great cast, with realistic (mostly) situations. Then it started to slide when Tom Arnold became a major character, and went to hell when the lottery thing happened. I just saw the episode where Jackie and Mark went to see wrestling. Jackie was always a solid character who, while unsure of what she wanted to do, always was sure of herself and managed to remain an admirable woman. In this episode, she is portrayed as a moron with a butch appearance who is attends a wrestling match and (gee, what a surprise) winds up in the ring, rolling her eyes like Lucy while being mauled by a gargantuan opponent. I was shocked when I saw it; the writing and the performances were SO bad. Anyone who disagrees with me should watch the pilot episode, then this one. The performers in this show, especially Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman (Oscar-worthy in The Big Lebowski) deserve much, much better.
    Roseanne fell into the syndication trap that haunts so many great shows, most shows get to 100 eps before the studios start syndicating them, then the problems start - the original creators/producers cash in on the syndication deal and jump ship to new ventures leaving junior writers in charge - even so, these writers CAN maintain a level of quality, until they themselves are offered creative deals by studios leaving the show in the hands of writers who were never there to begin with, if a show makes it past 7 seasons, it is very likely that they will have had to renegotiate the contracts of the star cast (typically these are initially 5 year deals) and in the process they will have handed some creative control over to the actors (The widely recognized "Alan Alda Syndrome") This control usually spells the end of the program as you knew it - look at all the quality shows that made it past 7 years - some of them like MASH or Seinfeld seemed to inexplicably change yet still remain popular to the masses, other, less fortunate shows like Murphy Brown and yes, Roseanne Implode due to poor storylines and digruntled cast members vacating. My solution would be to put a five year time limit on these shows. If you look at Roseanne, It started off well enough, it's first 2 seasons had their moments, but the presence of George Clooney kept it from being truly great! The 3rd season saw them pick up steam (I love the episode where Roseanne quits her job to go with Dan to Vegas and their plane gets stuck in a snowstorm!) and the 4th season was their slam dunk year (the episode where the neighbour's house get done over by the GoodWill guys is an all time classic!). By Season 5, Roseanne had seemed to have had plastic surgery but they still managed to keep a good quality, the biggest episode that year had to have been 'Wait 'till your Father Gets Home" when Roseanne's father died, no sitcom has been able to strike such a tightrope balance between humour and sensitivity before or since. Of Course Season 5 was also the beginning of the end with special guest stars (Tim Curry, Joan Collins), Gay Outing No #2 (Nancy), Regular Cast Members Leaving (Lecy Goransen), and the whole Loose Meat resteraunt thing (I don't know what 'Loose Meat' is either, and I don't think I wanna find out!) Season Six saw an upswing in the Writing Quality with episodes like "A Stash from the Past" (The Pot Smoking Episode), "The Drivers Seat" (With the COPS Parody at the end!) and "I Pray the Lord My Stove to Keep" (Where they find out that DJ is religious!). Still this season brought back Becky (played by another actress - who incidentally was better that the original! But I can see how it pissed a lot of people off - I thought they it worse by bringing back the original one in season 8!). Also this season opened the flood gates for Lanford to become the Gay Mecca of the Midwest, not that there's anything wrong with that, but compare Dan's poker buddies and Roseanne's factory friends from the early seasons to the crowd they started hanging out with in season six and you'll get the point a lot of people have been making, it seemed like activism rather than good storytelling! Season Seven has alot of my favourite episodes from David's erotic dreams over Roseanne to DJ Beating on David, however there were a lot of VERY SPECIAL EPISODES, The DJ/Racism episode, Bev's drinking, and Fred & Jackie's break-up by which time it was becoming unwatchable, the season ended with a STUPIFYING homage to Gilligan's Island - that spelt the end for me. Season 8 pulled the old "becky switch" a second time, gave us a Gay Wedding (actually the season's funniest episode!), a Trip to Disney World (Why???) and one of the worst continuity gaffes ever by changing the sex of Roseanne's baby to match her real-life infant. that was exact point where the makers of this show had lost respect for the fans and it cost them dearly - after some of season 7s slip-up they still could have kept it respectable, but after the Halloween/Birth episode almost every writing decision made was wrong, the lottery, Dan's illness/absence/affair, the "Roseambo" episode (Yes that's what it was titled!) and the bizzare finale which seemed to be competing for the "Goodbye, Farewell, Amen" Award for worst sitcom series finale ever, Man Alive Watch the first Five Season's with Pride, the sixth if you can stick with it, and maybe the first half of the seventh (right up to the Clip Show) after that abandon ship! shark infested waters!
    Yeah hands down the lottery season for the jump point! What a shame because I used to really love this show. But when the charachters didn"t stay true to themselves you kinda felt betrayed. I mean Dan running off with another women and everyone becoming gay get real. But when it was funny it was funny as hell! Favorite lines Roseannne to Leon after not seeing each other for a while. Roseanne: "Why Leon youv'e lost weight" Leon: "Yes and youv'e lost teeth". Another classic was a clip show with all the old sitcom Mother's. June Cleaver saying "Reefer?" was priceless and Roseanne's reply "Go ask Eddie Haskell".
    I found it spotty for quite awhile but buying the loose meat palace added characters and changed the complexion of the show. Roseanne still had some pretty funny moments after that but it was the turning point that lead to the death knell of winning the Lottery.
    I think "Roseanne", at its peak, was one of the most brilliant TV series ever made. It was funny, real, and had one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled. I have to admit that its last few years were flawed. The Roseanne-directed Halloween episode with Baby Jerry was the first time I noticed a change. Even though character changes and the lottery plot took away the integrity of the show's peak years, I still laughed at most of the episodes. By that time I was so in love with the show and the cast, I was willing to forgive a lot. I like the uber-wacky Jackie of the last few seasons and I took the lottery plot as a fun way to wind down, slipping into surrealism and standing the characters and the premise on their heads. The Halloween episode with the AbFab ladies was fun. It was like every episode was a Halloween episode. Turning it all into the plot of Roseanne's book in the finale was a cop-out, and there were some unfunny episodes. I just think the show has become undervalued because of Roseanne's off-screen antics.
    With Becky and Darlene gone, they could only go so far with the "DJ is werid" stories (which were more than exhausted). The writers must have thought it would be a great idea if three of the remaining characters changed completely. Dan became spineless and stupid while Jackie turned into an absolute basket case. Meanwhile, Roseanne became abusive. The whole point of this show was to tell the awful truth about how real families are. I've been living on Earth for a while and I've never seen grown men who are related to one another talk about their sex lives (Dan, Mark, and Fred). I've never seen a woman not want to be in a realtionship with a man who treats her like a queen (Jackie). I've never seen a woman willing to plan a gay wedding for her boss, whom she hates, or flash her neighbors who happen to be "like 112." (Roseanne) The show was just absurd in the last few seasons, and season nine was by far the worst. Though I must admit that the final episode was a wonderful return to what the show really was in the beginning. True, in the final fifteen minutes, it did seem a desperate attmept to "explain" the stupid story lines of the past year, but Roseanne talking about losing herself in her writing in order to cope with the events of the previous year made sense. Still, I'm not sure the finale, sweet as it was, made up for Roseanne battling terrorsits or Darlene giving birth to Satan's baby.
    I'm SHOCKED that Roseanne has inspired so much debate and controversy! (smile). I first saw her on Carson and on a fast food commercial and thought, "this broad is funny but she's too REAL for America--at best she'll be a cult figure". Then I was thrilled that she co-created a show about working class people that didn't condescend to them (Good Times being the only such show prior to this--though they jumped big time). I admit I was a bit jealous--a stage-trained actor, a I bristle a bit when stand up comedians get a show and then proceed to prove what bad actors they are (Roseanne and Seinfeld--yeah I said it) to name two. But Roseanne had good scripts, and Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman (who, lets face it CARRIED the show season one). Boy did this show GROW--and ROseanne with it. Edgy (for TV), gritty, funny, in your face, and FAMILIAR. What a contrast to those whitebread cutouts that passed for families in the 80s (Family Ties, Growing Pains-yeck). I couldn't wait to visit this family every week and I deeply cared about what happened to them (even the ones I wasn't crazy about--like Darlene). And I liked Lecy Goranson--I thought she had the 'working class princess' bit down to a T! And I also loved that--in the early years anyway--the show made MAJOR political points without ever sacrificing quality storytelling. There's nothing worse than hearing a sermon in a sitcom--even when you agree with the content of the sermon. But I have to agree with many of you: somewhere along the line ROseanne (like Michael, Madonna and far too many other people) started thinking she was more important to the culture than she really was. And then this show began its long, slow, painful decline. The second Becky SUCKED (tho the Patty Duke and Darrin bits were priceless) and she and the wonderful Glenn Quinn (who sadly died in an accident, I recently learned) never had the chemistry he and Goranson had, Darlene's nihilism got boring and tired, David started off interesting (and cute) and then devolved from a character to a walking idea, I LOVED that Leon was gay and we found out AFTER WE GOT TO KNOW HIM--just as often happens in real life, but I hated when he & Rosie became buddies, and I detested Estelle 'cant remember her last name' Grandma. Whoever wrote that episode with Leon & his lover and Grandma and hers singing should have thier union card permanently revoked (tho Ruta Lee was great). The terrorists, the babies, Fred (cute but superfluous), Sandra Bernhard (barf), Traci Lords (how many truly talented actresses would have done anything EXCEPT drop their panties to appear on this hit show), and the killer--Dan becoming a recurring character--there were NO 'classic' episodes without him and finally, that last season and I have to agree with most of you--the wrap-up was a copout! Yes, theoretically it was a valid artistic choice, it was just poorly executed and I did feel cheated. Some classic episodes, from DJ not wanting to kiss the little Black girl to Death of a Salesman that I never get tired of. This was a classic example of JTS: A once great--sometimes groundbreaking show became so much ego-inflated pap.
    This show definately jumped the shark with the last season. The whole winning the lottery stuff was just so unbelieveable and so not funny. I watch reruns of the show all the time, but when they start showing the last season I turn off the t.v.. This use to be the funniest and most realistc show on television. The last season should have never happened.
    Everyone knows it was the episode where they won the lottery and every episode there after. Even smart independent woman make mistakes so I can almost buy Darlene getting pregnant, but you did see the shark preparing to jump right around her pregnancy and marriage.
    Roseanne was *never* funny. Like a lot of shows, they used mean-spiritedness instead of humor, encouraging us to laugh in glee at characters abusing each other. Oh, and it was also painfully PC.
    it wasn't the new becky that made it jump, she was ok, it was the fact that after she married mark and she turned into a part of the scenery that wrecked it.
    The show jumped a little the first time when Roseanne got all the plastic surgery. She was far more appealing beforehand. The next would have to be when they cast the godawful "new Becky" and decided to have her whine all the time. Obviously the show was ruined when they won the lottery. It became ridiculously self indulgent. Until than the show was a masterpiece. Brilliant comedic work particulaly by Lori Metcalf. Whoever says Roseanne is a bad tv mom is leaving in a fantasy world. That show had the most honest intrepretation of a family whether we want to admit it or not. Just because she was crass, didn't mean she didn't love them.
    I think the show jumped the shark when they brought back the original "Becky!" I know that is unpopular, but I think Ms. Chalke is a much better actress, plus she looks(ed) much more like a girl who would attract a "Mark" (was that his name, or was Mark the other boy...ah, who cares?)than the original Becky. Original Becky was much too prim and proper looking and acting to throw everything away on basically a looser boyfriend. It just wasn't believable!
    Obviously the 'new becky' sucked. 'Nuff said. All went to **** after that. And didn't that D.J kid claim Rosanne made him run around in his underwear?
    It turned into a soap opera, then all of a sudden DJ was beating to laundry catalog, Darlene and Dave's relationship go up and down, up and down, Jackie gets pregnant by by Fred, then they get married, then split. Then the last season where they win the lottery, everyone becomes scum, and Dan starts cheating, and it was all just a dream, most of the things that happened in season 7 didn't even happen, and some of the other things that happened in the previous seasons didn't really happen, it was all just a joke on us. Shame on you Roseanne, you make Al Bundy look like Ward Cleaver.
    I felt so sorry for John Goodman, He is such a really good actor with the helping of all of his films (King Ralph, Babe, The Big Lebowski, Monsters Inc. etc.)he runs up being cast as Dan on one of the most overrated sitcoms of the late 80s and all the characters inclulding that loud-mouth annoying bitch name Roseanne are just bunch of morons who keep treating him like crap. He is of course the only character that is funny. But when his character had a heart attack and then had a fight with Roseanne. That was the moment on how John Goodman really didn't want to play that kind of character and the show really stunk from there. I swear he should have never sign up and made that lousy show canceled and thank god it finally did in 1997. He knew he hated the show so much that he just want to focused on his movies that are really good and alot better than this lousy show. Thank goodness he finally relief now.
    Roseanne never did! The last season were dreams and wishes. You aren't supposed to care when Lecy Goranson (becky conner/healy 1) in real life left for college. What would you have done if you were the producer? Cut her out? . Its just another face playing the same girl. When darlene is pregnant it is to show that she may have been a tomboy but she could find a sweet guy to spend the rest of her life with. Roseanne started in the late eighties so of course it is crazy if you lived in the eighties it was a huge party. This is based on real stuff. I know a family just like Roseanne and they really do care but are just too busy.They are always pregnant to keep action in the story because other wise it would have just been Darlene and David kissing. Roseanne let David move in because she thought about it in a second so she didnt have time to think it through but she didn't let Darlene and David in a bedroom by themselves it later reveals.
    I think Roseanne jumped the shark when they recasted Becky. When the original Becky left in Season 5, the show was still good, and the first few episodes in Season 6 were good too until they got the new Becky. She was just too fake and couldn't act. She wasn't needed, the show was doing fine without her. But the show still was tolerable up until Season 8. Season 7 was pushing it, especially with Darlene going out with that one guy Jimmy and her not living in the house anymore. Everyone just seemed out of character in the later seasons. Seasons 1-5 were the best, the ones with the original Becky. When the original Becky came back in Season 8, the only episodes that were good were the ones with her in them. And what was up with Jackie acting all crazy in the last few seasons? The lottery episode was actually really funny and wasn't that bad, but then it just went downhill with the fantasies and with Dan in hardly any episodes. The show just became cartoonish. Married with Children turned cartoonish too, but those were actually funny and good. Roseanne is my favourite show but some episodes, I can't bear to watch. And why was everyone becoming gay and getting pregnant? Darlene being pregnant was dumb and the wedding was dumb too, although I liked Dan having his heart attack, although it was sad. And the last episode was probably the only good episode in Season 9, it was so sad and interesting. So, when the new Becky came, was when it jumped the shark! IMO
    I was smart,when this show was originally on ABC I stopped watching it at the end of the 8th season after Dan and Roseanne's fight when Roseanne destroys the living room and breaks Dan's TV set and Dan calls Roseanne a "controlling bitch" and walks out on her,I was horrified after that and I realized the show would never be the same after that,of course I was right! I can proudly say I've never seen the 9th season[though I saw 1 episode with the wonderful Heather Matarazzo on TBS]and I'm glad I missed it! Roseanne definitely let her ego take over this show,she should never have divorced Tom Arnold,or at least she should have kept him on the show as a creative consultant,because after he left she hired writers that really brought the show down,and it never recovered as it was cancelled after end of the 9th season. I hated the Becky switch too,Lecy Goranson was a fine actress who gave a wonderful believabiality to the character,Sarah Chalke was at the time an obscure Canadian actress who couldn't act her way out of a paper bag,she brought NOTHING to the character and made her bland and uninteresting and a total bimbo and of course looked nothing like Goranson,who was beautiful and was a nice contrast to Sara Gilbert. When Goranson returned in the 8th sesason,it was unfortunately too late as the writing was so bad by then not even her return helped, though the Patty Duke Show spoof "They're Beckys" and everyone shouting "Where the hell have you been?" was awesome,the only real highlights of the 8th season. I'm watching the show on a local UPN station in my area [they're up to the middle of the 7th season now], when it gets to the end of the 8th season I know when to stop watching!!
    Roseanne was great until the new Becky came in. It changed the whole atmosphere. It became unbelievable and went downhill with good stories. The first 3 seasons where the best, and the Roseanne character .. was a better and believable mother. But i still like the series cuz as stupid as it got.. it was still funny.
    The Show never jumped, I read all of the comments on this show, and 80% were negative, I love this show, I think it is hysterically funny, and usually descriptive about real-life. For all of you who commented negatively on the finale, shut up. It was great, an intelligent twist, that you obviously can't understand. This is because most of you haven't quite grasped the concept that this is JUST A SHOW, and is likely to do things that AREN'T always going to be likely real-life occurences, so get a grip! The finale was an excellent twist, once again, and so unlike the show's typical humor, but great, a very insightful-even philosophical way to describe life, and what we can create in our minds as the ideal life. I thought the quote by T.E. Lawrence at the end was an especially good and sophical touch! I hope to see this show for many years in reruns, it will never lose it's genuity! For all of you people who spoke negatively about the show, try to understand all those big words I used, and then once you know that, get a job where you can afford a better clue.
    Ok, am I the only one that noticed that when they were going through the "drama" of not knowing whether or not something was wrong with the baby...and Roseanne had to have a amniocentesis....they found out nothing was wrong with the baby and the Dr. said "Oh, and it's a GIRL". Yes, a GIRL. That's impossible. If you're freakin' amniocentesis says you're having a GIRL then you have a GIRL dammit. Not a BOY that you can name Jerry Garcia. Crap, crap, CRAP! I really loved this show for the first several years. The series finale really pissed me off. John Goodman was the fuel that kept that dune buggy going. It's just sad.
    It wasn't when they changed characters (Becky, is that you?) It wasn't when Roseanne and Dan had a baby (Why would they reproduce again?) You knew it was so close to the end when they won the lotto but still lived in that crap-hole house...and everyone continued to live there (Roseanne, Dan, Becky, Becky's hubby, Darlene, Darlene's hubby (AKA Becky's hubby's brother). So was this show really set is in Arkansas or something?)
    this show jumped the shark the moment Roseanne disgusted the world by coming out in a braw and announcing that she has won the lottery. From that moment great characters like Jackie and Dan became stupid and annoying and the plots became rediculous. For example that stupid, just plain horrible episode about the whole family on a train and Roseanne fighting terrorist, god damn they should have just cast Ted McGinley as Dan's gay lover, they made everyone else gay so why not Dan? In closing I just want to say that this was THE best show on tv until the very second that lottery winning plot came into play.
    I thought this was a great show. The writing was great. Darlene was my favorite. I didn't mind the new Becky, actually I liked her better than the original Becky. I thought it was funny when they would switch between the two Beckys. You never knew from week to week which Becky would be on the show. I didn't like the finale where you come to learn that the whole series had simply been Roseanne's novel about her family and that a lot of things were very different than were through the whole series. Such as Becky had actually married David and Darlene had married Mark. And Jackie was actually a lesbian and that they had actually never won the lottery. Aside from that I really enjoyed this show.
    This is regarding the last comment...in the end it was revealed that Roseanne has made up the stories and written about them since dan had his heart attack...not the whole series...jumped for sure when they won the lottery
    This show was really great and realistic when it started. Notice the smaller details, like how Roseanne and Dan wear the same outfits in some episodes, unlike how most TV stars have 3 outfits a show and never repeat them. They really represented a blue-collar family stuck in a dead end. The show jumped when Roseanne became more glamourous in appearance to match her real life clout in Hollywood, that threw off th show and lead to numerous other jumps (switching Beckys, DJ slapping the willy, Martin Mull marrying Fred Willard). It just seemed Roseanne wanted the show to be more and more outrageous every week so she made it more a spectacle that a realistic sitcom.
    For the most part I really liked this show, especially the earlier episodes. But I was always annoyed at the drastic changes in the charachter's. For example Dan's bike shop goes belly up and he can't find any work fixing bikes,uh didn't he used to be in construction as the self proclaimed "drywall king"? And the Jackie charachter went from an average single women to a complete emotional basket case. I also think they played up Dans sometimes violent temper a bit too much, I mean the whole thing with his dad was a bit over the top. The whole Becky&Mark thing remained somewhat believable (although they really dumbed down the Mark charachter) and Darlene got a little frightening towards the end. DJ went the way of Jerry Mathers (puberty was rather rough on him) but hey that happens. Roseanne got just plain nasty. For me the one reason to tune in was the Leon charachter played by Martin Mull. The mother was just annoying as hell. As far as I'm concerned the lottery season doesn't even count. I think Roseanne tried to work in to many of her personal demons into the show. For example Roseanne's parents went from being oridinary people to abusive monsters who used to beat her as a child. But I will give the show credit for being groundbreaking and taking risks.
    I always thought it was pretty hokey. Never saw all the episodes. I heard about the last one and was VERY curious. I saw alot of the "missing" ones on the nick special and really enjoyed the last one. Even got teary when Rosie was describing Dan. And when he was calling Rosie! *SNIFF* SNIFF*
    First off, Roseanne is probably my favorite show of all-time. The first 4 seasons were classic and after that they were pretty good. However the last season was horrible...and the finale was even worse, having Dan die was the breaking point for me. I felt so bad for Roseanne cause she was alone and Dan was my favorite character. If they would have ended the show with everyone around the table as a family including Dan it would have been so much better. The whole lottery thing was a mistake too but I guess it was Roseannes way of dealing with Dans death. In ending, the last season should have been completly re-written...Favorite Line? In the episode with the bag of old pot with Jackie sitting in the tub and she asks "Am I Shrinking? Am I In the Sink?" I cried when i saw that!!! Thank you Roseanne for making this show possible
    I have to say that when they won the lottery was a big jump. The plot just got weird. I also didn't like how they ended the show. I can understand why they wanted to take the lotto season back, but why say that Dan died. That was so depressing, why did she do that to the true fans that sticked though the show. I hate the final eposide. I still love to see the re-runs but usually never watch that one.
    Roseanne is my favorite tv show of all time and is a CLASSIC that still doesn't get half the recognition it deserves. It seemlessly blended comedy and drama for 7 1/2 seasons, then it started slipping, which led to the biggest jump ever for any tv show, the ninth season. But there are way too many classics for me to not love this series. The episode where Roseanne and Jackie's father dies is a classic, the best episode dealing with death ever on a tv show. The acript was gold and the acting, especially that by Roseanne & Laurie Melcalfe made the episode. I loved Jackie on the phone with her deaf aunt (Dad's no longer with us... dad's passed away. He's gone. He's dead. Dad's dead. No, dead. D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD. Dad's fine, he sends his love) and Roseanne's throw away one-liner to Jackie ("But we should have to call people, where supposed to be mourning." Roseanne- "Then wear a veil over your face while you do it"). The pot episode. Jackie getting beat up by Fisher. All of this was gold. Seasons 4-6 were the best. Season nine had some good episodes like the spa episode and the New York episode, though they weren't funny in the typical Roseanne way. But overall, season nine was frustrating.
    The show lost it's edge when they bought the restaurant.....Jackie did not start out as an air head, but she morphed quickly from the time they bought the restaurant and then she got knocked up. Wasn't the same after that.
    I never really liked Roseanne and then recently I bagan to become asomewhat fan of the show watching it in syndication. I have seen the Jerry Garcia episode and thought that was bad enough but I caught another Halloween episode which brought me right back to my original thoughts. It was one of the after lottery episodes, I sat in front of my t.v trying like hell to figure out what in the world I was seeing. Jackie (dressed like a man in drag) and Roseanne at some high class party. Roseanne wearing a low cat backless dress *shudder* getting drunk with those two annoying lushes from the worst show ever "Absolutely Fabulous" Somehow Darlene was pregnant by Satan no less. Hence the last 10 minutes of the show was some drawn out painful speech by Roseanne about what a great mother she is to everyone and that child of satan or not she will love the kid. It was the worst and most confusing thing I have ever seen enough to convince me to stay away from the show for good. This show really jumped the shark after they won the lottery. If this piece of garbage dosen't prove it then what will?
    The Conners are millionaires? No show could survive that. The show was able to survive pretty much every other weird thing they did, but you can't expect it to last when you change the entire premise of the show. Though I felt the last episode kind of brought it all together and make up for it. The whole thing was a figment of Roseanne Conner's imagination. When she's talking about Dan dying after that heart attack, I still get teary eyed. So does my beau.
    I don't see why so many people are upset about the lottery winnings. Sure, the entire 9th season was wacky, but it was still good watching. Not only that, the entire 9th season was invalidated in the final episode. Dan died (I was in tears), there was no lottery money, etc. Much of the entire show, infact, was Roseanne Conner's (the "real" Roseanne Conner's) book, and the family we saw where characters in her book, based on her "real" life. The Conner family we saw for 9 years had a very happy ending. The "real" Conner family, on the other hand, had a sad ending. Roseanne didn't abondon her audience at all, as some say she did. She simply showed us how life can jerk us around, how we can dream to re-arrange things to make it work out more to our likeing, but that's all that it is, a dream. She had a brilliant show and I now watch her every night on Nick-at-Nite, even though the air time is kind of late. (But the Cosby show right before helps keep me up for the pure gold that is to follow).
    I always loved this show because in spit of the family being poor the mother and father actually LOVE each other and when Dan leaves Roseanne, that was it for me. I mean they get all the money from the lottery and he leaves her. I had so much faith in men until then, hope , you know. In a world where dads leave all the time, Dan seemed like the MAN that was going to be there and then he ups and leaves.
    I have to agree with one of the comments at the very top. This show jumped when The Conners went broke, Dan lost his Bike shop, and their electricity got shut off, then Rosanne's mother shows up with $10,000 checks for Roseanne and Jacky. How convenient. The crisis of being in a tough financial situation is what viewers probably identified with. To solve this by getting bailed out at the last moment by her mom is somewhat lame in my opinion. Most people who are struggling financialy don't have anyone who can save them at the last second. Anyway this is probably the first Jump the Shark which signaled many more Jumps to come. It no longer seemed that the conners were a real world family, instead they were walking the tight rope with a safety net, or relying on their Guardian angel to bail them out of any jam the get into, thus resurrecting the show each time but losing a little credibility along the way. I'm watching the show in syndication on nick at night. The conners just bought their loose meat joint. looking forward to watching this show jump again especially in the Lottery season.
    This is a classic comedy, though the characters did change throughout the show. Agree, Roseanne's father was changed, he appeared in one episode and seemed jolly and they loved him, and he was played by the guy who played Frank Costanza (Seinfeld) for one episode as well! This nice old man became an adulterer who mistreated his children leading up to Roseanne's speech at his funeral. A cathartic dramatic scene for the real Roseanne and the issues she wanted to explore but inconsistent with what we were introduced with. As was the new Becky turning from a smart girl who wanted to go to college to a naive girl who got a job at Hooters. And Jackie being married off and pregnant. And Arnie becoming a bad husband to Nancy and being abducted by aliens. The show did get glossy around the time of of the bike shop being sold and the loose meat place was bought- you could even see it in Roseanne's appearance. But there were many great moments in this show, and great acting moments- see the Jackie sleeping with Arnie ep. and Roseanne discovering Dan has feelings for another woman as examples. Although a lot of the jokes were insults, the show was one of the few that showed people arguing about real things like bills and kids and had real family situations, except maybe in the last couple of seasons where the characters seemed to interact on the same level, all standing around the room taking turns at telling their jokes, there wasn't much plot to explore. The lottery scenario took away a lot of the drama- they had very few everyday real-life dilemmas.
    I would agree with many posters who said that this show was the best and most realistic portrayal of lower-middle-class (or maybe lower class) Americans ever seen on tv. At its best, it absolutely was. I grew up lower middle class, and everything about this show was right on. Roseanne did not strike me as a bad mother. I thought in the first several years she was a very good mother. She was funny and sarcastic but she was always there for the kids. Dan was, to me, the main reason to watch the show. He was fundamentally a decent human being. I think John Goodman is one of the best actors of this generation. Unfortunately, it was Roseanne and not John Goodman that had the creative control, and over time this show became painful to watch. The kids just got to the point where they were absolute monsters, not just brats but way beyond that, and Roseanne treated Dan like crap 24/7. I agree with the poster who said that people in this economic class do not plan for a pregnancy when all their kids are on the brink of grown up. That just doesn't happen. I stopped watching long before Dan "died" or didn't die or whatever at Darlene's wedding, and I just finished reading a website, because after looking at some of the comments, I hadn't even realized that there was this ridiculous "won the lottery" thing. Like, uh, the odds against that are 24 billion to one or whatever? A tax on the stupid, as they call it? And yet it suddenly happens to this family (and then doesn't happen in the last episode). They should have quit before the planned pregnancy and they could have been remembered forever as one of the all time greats. In my mind, they still will be, you just have to sort of purge the last couple years from your memory.
    It could have ended a year early with Dan's heart attack. That final idiotic season and all that it brought, was in the end, not real. And it didn't do it in a cool way like "St. Elsewhere" or in a funny way like "Newhart". It just rehashed what those two shows had done, and didn't do it as well or in any original fashion.
    I hated the Becky change, all of a sudden she was....nice. Did they actually think we would like that, they went on for ears because they were sarcastic and plain mean. But not only did becky become nice, Darlene did to. She still retained some of that meanness in her, but when she told Roseanne she was "strong", was that cheesy, Darlene would never have said that. But has anyone also noticed, in the very beginning, the change in DJ's actor. But that really didn't matter to people, for all we know, it was better with that change. It disappoints me to know that one of my favorite shows of all time was cancelled. but thats show business!
    JTS the second Roseanne opened her whining mouth. I've tried to like this show, but have never found it humorous in the least. They should make Saddam Hussein watch Roseanne 24 hours a day, he'd start talking pretty quickly I just find Roseanne abrasive, whiney, and pompous. Beats the crap out of me how she ever got her own show.
    The show leaped the shark,not just jumped it the season they won the lottery.The person that said the viewers did not like that because we were basically jealous is all wet!!We know that this was only a show,they really did not win it.Besides,the Cosby show people were rich and that was very popular!Get real,the reason that winning the lottery was bad was that they were understandable as poor white trash,but not as awful rich trash.Also,the story lines got horrible,even grandma we found out was gay,for gods sakes!!!The story of Dan leaving and going back to California was one of the worst ever,as in Roseanne driving around in the realistic car setting-awful,and dj meeting that annoying blathering idiot girl at the bookstore.It could have been done so much better,or even better yet just dump that last disaster season!!!!!
    I love this show. I really do. It was so good. It started to go downhill when they bought the diner, and I was really wondering about it when Rosanne started contemplating another child, but all of that was made acceptable by the great interaction between the characters and the still-strong storylines. However, to me the moment at which this show jumped was the first moment of the first episode after Jackie finds out they won the lottery. I loved Jackie's reaction, and there were all sorts of interesting things they could have done with the concept of the Conners striking it rich. I don't think the lottery doomed them. However, the ridiculous storyline of the last season made it impossible to even watch. You weren't getting to see enough of the characters you really liked (Dan, mostly), and they just went nowhere with several promising storylines. I would loved to have seen more of Darlene dealing with pregnancy. I would have loved it if David had stayed truer to his earlier self. I would have loved it had Rosanne and Dan not tried to split, had this new kid Jerry not showed up, had the prince not hit the scene, etc, etc, etc... This is a great show. I still watch it in reruns, but I just try to forget about that last season.
    i love this show..i still watch it every day in reruns, but i'll give you 10 events this show could've done without... 1. 9th season...(this includes everything outlandish that happened in this time of the show's run) 2. Tom Arnold leaves the show, and for some reason, the show starts to suffer..hmmm 3. Too many babies..first crystal, then jackie, then roseanne, then darlene..then in the last episode it's revealed that becky too is pregnant... 4. Crystal leaves the show (wish i knew why) 5. Dan was always funny at first, but later in the series, it seems like he's always mad, especially in the 6th season... 6. speaking of the 6th season, Roseanne is transformed into what looks like a different person! with a seemingly new bitchy attitude! or is it just me? 7. a 'new' becky..but at least roseanne made sure we weren't too stupid to notice... 8. Walt Disney World, HERE WE COME!! 9. it doesn't work out with fred and jackie, so fred leaves the show... 10. the connors allow darlene's boyfriend to live with them..(gee, how convenient for david and darlene to have sex without parents finding out!)
    This show recently finished its final episode and started re-running the early ones; and not only was it funnier in the earlier episodes, the title character became progressively less likeable as the series went on. In the first few seasons, Roseanne was very feisty, outspoken, not afraid to kick ass when she needed to but also very loving and practical. Alas, she gradually turned into a screeching, pathologically selfish bully. Of course, in real life people do often change for the worse as time goes on but this wasn't real life; it was a COMEDY and screeching, pathologically selfish bullies aren't generally very funny. DUH. IMO, when this show actually jumped was a bit nebulous but it was sometime around the point that Jackie, who by that time has become such a dingbat she shouldn't even adopt a parakeet decides on a whim to have a baby on her own and the audience is expected to think that's yuk-yuk funny. Either that or the part in the series when being from an abusive family became fashionable in Hollywood and Roseanne and Jackie suddenly become obsessed with horrible childhoods that are never really justified in the script. One ironic touch, though also un-funny, was when the Darlene character is pregnant, uncharacteristically won't even consider either abortion or adoption and instead she and David decide to get married. This character's future as the family member who's going to "get out of Lanford" is toast. She's going to end up in a much worse situation than her parents ever were in considering the changes in the economy that took place since Roseanne and Dan were young. But Roseanne, again uncharacteristically, goes along with Darlene's naive plans ("how much can a baby change our lives?" she says to David. LOL!) and tells Dan that Darlene "has everything all figured out." Right.
    First off, these are the actual ratings. There's been some dispute that I would like to clear up right now: 1) #2 4) #2 7) #9 2) #1 5) #2 8) #16 3) #3 6) #4 9) #35 And in my opinion, the show never jumped. Obviously millions of viewers felt differently. I thought that the lottery idea was a little bit lame, but it all made sense when she cleared it up in the last episode. This was part of Roseanne's brilliant coup to take back control of her series once and for all. The downside was that people just got tired of watching a blue-collar woman played by a spoiled Hollywood brat. She actually looked younger in the last season than she did in the first. The brilliance of the show was its ability to reflect on life for most people in the 80s. People liked to watch because it was a picture of themselves in a way. TV analysts even had visions of a golden age in television, where blue-collar comedies would dominate the ratings. This dream almost came true when Roseanne and Grace Under Fire ranked in the top 5 during the 1993-1994 season. Other blue-collar shows were also rising. But people got tired of Roseanne, plain and simple. Most shows experience this. But personally, I think the show never jumped. My opinion would be the opposite if she hadn't righted the problems in the finale. Why this show doesn't sit in the handful of classic shows in TV history is beyond me.
    I can't remember exactly when this show jumped the shark, but there was a season where all of a sudden we started getting all these episodes with stupid social messages in them. And I'm pretty sure that all of this happened when Roseanne took control over the show's direction. Jackie gets abused by her boyfriend. Roseanne abuses D.J. Roseanne and Jackie have to confront past abuses from their father. Roseanne, Dan, and D.J. have to deal with racism. Yawn. None of this dreck was funny or interesting. I stopped watching about midway through that season. I tuned in for the series finale, and apparently the show had only continued to decline, because that final episode was undoubtably one of the most appalling pieces of garbage to ever show on TV.
    When Jackie was in the abusive relationship (I think it was with a guy named Pete NOT Fisher) it didnt surprize me. During time they were dateing little things popped up that made me wonder if the character was hiding something. Jackie became more quiet and kind of withdrawn form the family,her boyfriend could do no wrong in her eyes,she never argued with him and always agreed wiht him in public, one atleast one show her character had an injury to explain away. I think it may have been a sprained shoulder or something. If you have ever been around abused women those are some dead giveaways. And the show handled the leadup to it just fine. Subtile hints that lead to discovery. Very true in most cases. they also covered a mojor reason why she would have lived that way as strong as she started out, her fathers abuse. But the follow up on the story line was terrible. it was she got hit,she was tramatized for a few shows, she was over it! Not true at all in most cases. The way they loved to preach on that show the latest casue you would think they would make it more believable in its after affects. Nobody who has lived or dated an abusive partner recovers in a couple of months. Better yes but it would have been more realistic if like the father abuse she had gone on with life but still suffered effects growing less as time went on. for a reasonably strong (at the start at least even if she was a tad dippy)character to have been abused and put down enough to live with an abuser for that long would have had hang overs on most women even after the timelimit of the show. As i said steadily growing less. And the way she acted the last par tof the show wasnt abuse hang over it was just BAD BAD WRITING so it doesnt count :-)
    There are interesting anecdotes from the days when Amy Sherman and Joss Whedon were writers on the show. According to Amy, one day Roseanne gathered up all the writers, handed them T-shirts with numbers on them, and announced that from then on they wouldn't have names and she would call them only by the numbers on their shirts. Amy quit that day, I believe. As for Joss, it's been said that Roseanne would go from being nice and friendly with him one day to not only not talking to him the next day, but looking at him as if she didn't know who he was. I think the show jumped when Roseanne went from egomaniacal to bat**** insane.
    Jumped when Darlene and Becky graduated. When they were kids/teens their bratty attitudes were funny and sometimes cute plus they had great chemistry with the parents. But once they grew up, they (along with Roseanne) turned into total b*tches with no redeeming values. And to top it off they both hooked-up with a couple of boyfriends (Mark and David) who were helpless losers and only served to bring out the worse in the girls.
    Day one. There was a time when people thought this show was so important because the characters were lower middle class. Good thing the Simpsons came along. As soon as the Simpsons showed up, Roseanne stopped seeming so funny to Americans. A fat lady that's cranky with a fatter, dumber husband -- no wonder Europeans think Americans are fat and stupid! How a show like this stayed on and Freaks and Geeks can't even stay in syndication is beyond me. Judy Tenuta kicks Roseanne's fat ass!
    Where to begin? This show jumped the shark so many times! It was a good show at the beginning, I didn't even mind when they kept switching Becky or when Roseanne went up and down the weight scale, but when they won the lottery that was the end! Lower middle class turns into millionaires? Nah - no way! You can't stuff Roseanne in some fancy designer dress (which looked like crap on her to begin with), have the family hobnob with the ritz, and NOT have them move from their crappy house. Marrying Becky off to an idiot while his smart brother dates Darlene. Dan has a heart attack and leaves the show (temporarily?) and Roseanne gets knocked up - what the hell? Adding Tom Arnold was a big shark jump - just because you sleep with and/or marry somebody doesn't mean you have to give them a job!
    This show ended when season four saw Becky eloping with Mark. In the beginning, Dan and Roseanne are a typical american family, trying to make it. The show worked on that premise alone. Because although bad things do happen to good families who try their best, I hang on to the belief that Roseanne was a mother of the nineties, and for that, I think we the audience would have been more gratified if Roseanne the character had not just "improved her children's lives" by 50%, but actually saw them off to become something more. Because she was a teenager in the sixties, because she had endured a painful childhood, because she was determined (and there are many conversations in the beginning between her and her kids in the first three seasons) to give them her best. Why would that have changed? I mean Roseanne the actress obviously screwed this show by mixing reality with t.v., but then again in the beginning her reality was home life and kids. So she continued to fuse it, when actually it should have been separated and the Connors given a chance to really live the life I think was initially set up for them. I choose to believe the show ends there. I mean there are good episodes after that, the one when Roseanne and jackie smoke "David's" pot is hilarious. There was a heart and a passion in the beginning. And it was lost.
    After they won the lottery, it sucked! I am trying to get through these episodes on Oxygen right now, just so I can see the end. I consider myself a fan and want to know all the episodes, but this is HELL.
    "Roseanne" suffered from gradual shark jumping. It forever reinvented itself. It started off as a show about blue collar parents trying to raise three kids and never really getting a break. They watched their kids jump into marriage (like they did), made poor business choices (the bike shop) and had another kid they couldn't afford. It started jumping during the Tom Arnold Era. Roseanne began modeling the show after her own life; thus changing certain characters. The episode where she was kissed by Arnie and didn't know how she felt about it, when it later became a running gag that Arnie was universally disliked by women in Lanford and had been for many years. Roseanne made accusations of abuse against her father and - all of a sudden - Roseanne Conner's dad (previously an annoying, but harmless curmudgeon) became an abusive philanderer. I should also point out that Dan's mother (played amiably by Ann Wedgeworth of "Three's Company" fame) later morphed into Debbie Reynolds and developed a lifelong history of mental problems. Blighted, working-class Lanford became the Gay and Lesbian capital of the World. Roseanne toyed with the idea of making Jackie a lesbian (her own real-life sister is a lesbian) but wisely kept Jackie a lovable klutz with man problems. Smart Becky hung out with punk Mark (but, then, even smart girls fall for the wrong guys and sacrifice their dreams for a trailer park). Tomboy Darlene got moody and fell for wimpy David (yes, he was introduced to us as "Kevin"). Leci Goransen left and was replaced by Sarah Chalke who was replaced by Leci who was replaced again by Sarah. Just as things were looking better for the Conners, Darlene got married the same day her dad had what would become a fatal heart attack. I understand Roseanne's reasoning behind using the changes in the last season as therapy for losing her husband. But it was just too unbelievable.
    As soon as Roseanne won the lottery, everything stopped being funny, and it turned into a joke-making soap opera.
    I think that Roseanne jumped the shark twice. The first time was when they brought in the new Becky. Actually, it was more that they kept switching back and forth between old Becky and new Becky. Both actresses are excellant, but they should have chose to stick with one. If Lecy Goranson wanted to go to school, she should have stayed away when it came to this show. They also jumped the shark when they won the lottery. That was the most ridiculous thing I had ever seen. And what was all this garbage with changing the characters? Becky was with David? Darlene was with Mark? Jackie is gay? Please. That is the most ridiculous thing that I had ever heard in my life. Some things are better left alone. They should have just left the air peacefully.
    Roseanne stands alone as my favriote television series of all time. Though I must admit that the ninth season was kinda boring, I still liked it. The series finale is one that I don't think I'll ever forget. I was crying when Roseanne said that Dan died in his heart attack. But I didn't approve of the couple switching. Darlene and David were the best ever couple in all of television history, IMHO. Roseanne has always been a funny show, and no matter how many times I see it, I'm always left wanting more. It was also a fairly realistic show, up until the ninth season. Nothing like the Tanners where all the kids could never do anything wrong and their dad who freaked if there was so much of a speck of dust anywhere in the house. Someone wrote a review of this show a here that while I was reading I thought that s/he hadn't even seen the shows that s/he was talking about. Roseanne wanted Dan to buy new shoes. She wasn't with him in the shoe store when he did buy them, she didn't know how much he spent. She took them back to get Becky's dress for her once she found out how much they cost. And when her father died she went to the bar to meet his mistress there, not to get drunk. And I agree with the poster who said that Dan and Roseanne are much more realistic than several other tv parents, on Leave it to Beaver, or, as I gave an example of earlier, Full House's Danny Tanner. Because you know, every parent in the world is just like Danny Tanner! Yeah, right. Long live Roseanne!!!
    I suppose Roseanne first jumped the shark when they changed actors for Becky. There were so many other things, though. The nose jobs, the multiple gay people, the orangutan that took over Jackie's character. The lottery season, regardless of it's fantasy status, was horrid. The last episode left me angry and burned. I've seen where so many people listed Darlene's pregnancy as the true period where the shark got jumped. But that's what happens. I was Darlene in reality. I was the smart, sarcastic, dark, angry, creative, pissed off chick with too much intelligence and not enough direction. I was the one who was going to get out and be somebody. But I got pregnant and I didn't get out. Oddly enough, Darlene's storyline often followed my life after I had already BTDT. It was weird.
    I was just watching a rerun of Roseanne yesterday. It was the one where Roseanne gives Dan a surprise 39th birthday party, except Roseanne wakes up with PMS and is a complete looney bitch throughout the whole show. She would be yelling one minute and then be sweet as sugar the next minute. I had to turn it off, because I thought it gave women a bad rep. Don't get me wrong, women do get PMS, but I think the writers went completely overboard on that one. I just wanted to wring her neck after a while.
    When Becky ran off and married Mark. Then it REALLY went downhill once Darlene hooked up with David, and Roseanne got yet another make-over and they had another kid... it just spirled out of control after that. Went far too many years past it's prime.
    First let me say, I am a heterosexual male in his mid 20s, and although I know this show can seem anti-male at times, I think it is one of the most underrated shows of all time. I didnt like and still dont like the first and second seasons, but seasons three through eight, I believe, are hilarious. Almost every episode there is at least one or two lines that I can remember and wait for when Im watching the shows in syndication. But the last season is when Roseanne JTS. I liked the lottery idea, actually, and that they really didnt know how to deal with their recent money. But then theyre going on a train and it gets hijacked, and the spa, and the prince and blah, blah, blah. I loved the final episode, but it wasnt enough to save that final season. But Roseanne is still one of top 5 favorite shows of all time.
    I love Roseanne. I liked the seasons up to when the real Becky left. However, I think that when the Becky imposter came on the show, it changed. Around that time Roseanne divorced Tom Arnold and the show's creativity went away. However, I did like some of the episodes with the fake Becky. I liked the 8th season with the real Becky--especially episode 8.1. The ninth season was never supposed to exist. It was supposed to go off in May '96, but I think ABC wanted to keep it on for another year. Supposedly, ABC and Disney World became affiliated? I heard that Roseanne made the last season bad because it was her revenge at ABC? Also, when Dan started to appear less often, they came up with bad story lines. Roseambo was funny, but not realistic--it was the one when she was on the train. Winning the lottery was pretty bad. I think that in the last season there were a few keepers, but when the show was still running, they should have pitched some of the episodes that were bad. The finale was one of the best I've seen because it's not like a marriage or death or anything. It was very non-typical, and its one of my favorite episodes. Altogether, the show jumped the shark when that zombie Becky came on, but it hit rock-bottom last season. The one thing I loved about the last season is the vocal theme song. By the way, what's with "Starring Roseanne Barr Pentland Arnold Thomas" in the first few last season credits?
    This show JTS when they won the lottery, hands down. Regarding other comments on this site, you can anaylze what they did wrong season to season all you want, but the truth of it is Roseanne remained respectable until the end on the seveth season. I understand that Roseanne Barr herself was pregnant when Roseanne Connor and since the show had already been on a long time they should have quit while they were ahead (although, despite the ridiculous premise, I did think Jerry was cute, even if he was fat!). There were some great moments in the seventh season (like when Bev went to AA....at the end, Roseanne shouted to her mom, "Keep going home! It works!" FUNNY!) In the 8th season it started to decline...but the lottery just totally ruined it for me. It could have had potential. They could have had episodes dealing with D.J.'s emerging sexuality, Dan making more money at his new construction job, Darlene and Becky finally making it...I could go on and on, but you get it. I truly wish that the horrid last season never happened. And what was up with the final episode? Sheesh!
    Becky sure looks a whole lot different suddenly...and then if that wasn't bad enough, the original comes back for a while and the one who replaced her gets a bit part in a later episode as someone else....then....oh the horror....original Becky leaves again and the bit part becomes Becky again....are you confused? Me too....watch that fin...hope it doesn't head toward the Scrubs set....
    The episode where Roseanne takes in David from his abusive mother. Like living with the emotionally and verbally abusive and totally dysfunctional white trash Connors is all that much better?? Seems as if David simply traded in one form of hell for another - from only living with his mother to a whole house full of psychopaths.
    This was perhaps the strangest ending to any show I have ever seen. It was downright spooky when Rosie proceeded to show the audience what her family was REALLY like! Certain key elements of the show were eerily changed...sister Jackie was the lesbian instead of Mom; Becky and Darlene were married to each others' spouses; and it turned out that her husband Dan had actually DIED of his heart attack the previous season! The show not only jumped the shark, the shark chowed down so thoroughly that even a reunion show is no longer possible!
    This show never jumped. A lot of people could relate to it in more ways than one. Sorry to say it, but my family acts worse than them...and where's our jackpot?? No really, This was and still is one of my favs. The end had a bit of a slump but it's something that they could of overcame.
    It's pretty funny that so many people hated this show, yet found the time to write something about it. Take Roseanne for what it was-a TELEVISION show. It was fictional. It was supposed to be fun, not change the world or anything like that. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If some of you really need to take it so seriously, than maybe you need a hobby.
    While the true "Jumping the Shark" indisputably occurred with the lottery win, they started revving the motor way back when the scripts began to seem more like watching a long and tortured therapy session. It changed the whole dynamic of the show. Though it was a unique twist, it got far too heavy-handed at times, and at the time I felt a super-clever sitcom was being taken over by Roseanne's personal need to work through her issues. In hindsight it may have made for better TV (certainly less sanitized and boxed in -- less a blue-collar "Cosby Show"). Still, it was a little much after a while.
    I think Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery and Dan had a heart attack, but they said the whole show was in her head. What a crock of ****. I love Roseanne, but that blew the show. And the first Becky is ugly, when she had that bowl cut, and pretty much all the time and Darlene as well. D.J. always runs when someone talks to him, you ever notice that?
    This show jumped when Rosanne got complete creative control over it. It became less and less about blue collar reality and more and more about about Rosanne's LALA-land value system. All straight men became incompetent and Landford became this unlikely gay mecca. As if! If I were a gay man in Landford, I'd have been so out of there, it wouldn't have been funny. I sure wouldn't have been exchanging insults with the obnoxious cow at some crappy diner. Rosanne lorded it over the cast, just like the raging egomanaic she appears to be in real life. The show contined in this Rosanne death spiral, until the logical outcome, the absurd final season, one of the worst ever in a TV series. I'm amazed Rosanne got away with it as long as she did though.
    OK, I must say, Roseanne is one of my favorite shows of all time. I can relate to it so much, being an Illinois native and growing up in a middle class home. I watched this show with my dad when I was little, and I thought, wow, these people are not too different than most people I know. Roseanne is like a lot of moms I know of, the mom really is the head of the house, she cooks, cleans, etc, when the dad just goes to work every day. She runs everything in that household. John Goodman is an excellent actor, and he was so convincing as Dan, the beer-guzzling, Monday Night football watching, Midwestern father of three, he reminded me a lot of my dad, though my dad makes a lot of money and isnt really large. Darlene has to be my all time favorite character on the show. She is the funniest one. Her sense of humor is a lot like mine, very sarcastic. She could make anything funny on that show. She was very realistic, too. Not every teen girl in America is the perfect, straight A student, school athlete kind of person, like most other shows make their teen girl characters to be. I didn't really get Becky though. Why did she let her whole future go down the toilet by running away and marrying that numbskull Mark? She was the smart one, she could have easily done better than her parents by graduating high school and being successful. I thought she had more sense. Darlene and David I thought were a good couple. It was good comedy, the controlling girlfriend and the very passive boyfriend. They were funny together. DJ was a little strange. He seemed a lot younger than he really was. The first few seasons he was ok, the average 6 year old, but then I just really didn't get his character towards the end of the show. He wasn't very convincing. Jackie was great. Terrific actress. I loved how Roseanne was always controlling her and teasing her about her boyfriends. She definently deserved the Best Supporting Actress Emmy she won. I liked how she kept changing careers, it kept me wondering what she really wanted to do. Well, I think the so-called "shark-jumping" part of the show was when they won the lottery. I just thought it was lame. It wasnt the realistic, true-to-life stories I related to. The whole 9th season was weird. It really should have stopped at season 8. The whole fact that it was a story written by Roseanne just killed it for me. I dont really know why, but all the weird character changes at the very end was a bad way to end a great show. I think the show should have ended when Dan dies after having his heart attack. They could have spared us the torture of the terrible, plotless episodes of the last season, and I think it would have been so much better.
    Roseanne never really jumped the shark. Some episodes were lower in quality than the others, but still, I love them all. I'm glad they did a ninth season, though it was a stupid season, just because I wouldn't have liked being left to wonder if Dan had survived the heart attack or not. That was horrible having Dan have an affair. Dan and Roseanne were so great together. Dan would never cheat on Roseanne. I like Becky (both Beckys) after Becky came around for the second time. In the earlier years of the show I hated the character of Becky. She was such a spoiled little witch! I've gotta say I liked Sarah Chalke better than Lecy Goranson. Sarah Chalke made Becky seem like a little bit of a nicer character, and then of course when Lecy came back, she was also a nicer Becky. Darlene was so cool from beginning to end, never changed. She and David were such a funny couple. What were they thinking having it turn out that Becky was actually married to David and Darlene to Mark. That was rediculous. Darlene would never marry Mark. And I agree with an earlier poster, that that is so unoriginal, for the Roseanne Barr to realize that she messed her show up and make the entire last season a dream. And all of the changes were just so farfetched. Also, I liked Jackie and Fred. Having them split was terrible. First of all, am a Christian and a strict believer in the Biblical principle that divorce is not an option. Secondly, I liked Fred! Jackie and Fred were such a funny couple. That was so stupid having Fred leave and then Jackie hooks up with that Carlos guy, and then he ends up cheating on her too. And he was a prince?!?!? Give me a break. But like I said, still I love the show. The dialogue was so funny a lot of the times. Allthough I do have one other bone to pick. The show got so immoral. Being a Christian, I know that the practice of homosexuality is horribly wrong. I hated the gay bar episode, where Roseanne was kissed by a woman, and I hated the episode with Leon and Scott's wedding. EWWW!!!!! And I hated how Bev turned gay. Well I guess that's all I have to say. Have a nice day people!
    About how sooo many posters have commented that Roseanne went downhill after Tom Arnold left: I agree that the show changed after TA left; however that does not mean that TA's involvement made the show better. Roseanne Barr did not need TA's "talent" [sic] for the quality of her show to be outstanding. TA was not involved with the original stand-up comedy by RB or the inception of the show. At that time RB's 1st husband managed her career; TA only came on board later. I do believe the relationship RB thought she had with TA helped RB produce at her creative best, and when TA left RB was of course devastated and felt betrayed. This added a somewhat painful and angry undertone to some parts of the shows she shaped after TA left. I understand that some viewers found this undertone difficult to watch. IN ADDITION, to the posters who had a problem with "all the gays" in this show, balance the inclusion of gay characters in Roseanne against the historical almost total absence of gay characters in tv shows prior to the mid-80's and you will see that Roseanne's inclusion doesn't even begin to even out the disparity. Also, just because a lesbian character kissed Roseanne in one episode did not make her character gay (and if it did, so what?). In fact, much of the humor of that episode centered upon Roseanne's somewhat homophobic response which surprised even her. Also just because in the final episode, the Roseanne "real life" persona reveals that her real life sister is gay, this does not retroactively make the character Jackie gay. And even if you are a Christian with strictly literal interpretation of the bible, with personal beliefs that homosexuality is immoral, this does not mean every show on television has to reflect your values. Most seriously of all, it does not mean you can't simultaneously hold your beliefs and still find the humor in Roseanne (even when it involves gay characters or situations) hysterically funny. LASTLY, about the final episode, why do so many posters seem to feel so personally betrayed when Roseanne's "real life" persona reveals the real life basis for the characters and ideas in the show? Isn't hunger for information about celebrities' real lives what so much pulp media (a la The Enquirer) is all about? So it's a disappointment when the originator tells you the truth about her life and inspiration? Would you rather rely upon the scandal sheet version? The use of a "real life" persona is a narrative strategy. This does not retroactively change everything into a 'dream sequence' like Dallas. The Roseanne persona specifically describes how she told the 'emotional truth': when Dan died it FELT like he left her. She didn't specifically say this, but in the sheer luck (and years of work) of achieving success it probably FELT like she had won the lottery because she isn't any better than any other working class wife and mother. Although the series plot did not follow the literal truth of her life, it represented the emotional landscape of what she experienced. I'm an experienced writer, and when I heard "real life" persona 'speech' (it's called a monologue), I was amazed by how brilliant this strategy was. I thought the final episode was one of the best ones. One poster commented they thought the final episode was rushed. The pace of that episode differed from that of most other episodes. The pace was faster in the beginning because it was essentially culminating in the "real life" persona at the end, which was much slower and deliberate. This is the opposite of most sitcom episodes: most take a little time to establish the premise of the episode and speed up at the end with the denouement or climax, when the plot resolves. This inverse pace is a structural device and also was no lame accident. When posters comment on the quality of the writing in Roseanne, what is the basis for your conclusions? Whether you think an episode is funny? If the show fulfills your fantasy of resolving the plot (ie saying you wanted Dan and Roseanne to stay together -- FYI I did too!)? How closely the show's representation of reality matches your perception of reality?
    FOR ME, IT NEVER JUMPED BECAUSE I WATCHED JUST A FEW SEASONS OF IT, AND MISSED THE LAST ONES (AND I'M GLAD.)I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO COMPARED THE CONNORS TO THE HUXTABLES. I WAS NEVER COMFORTABLE WITH THE HOITY-TOITY HUXTABLES, WHO PROBABLY NEVER SWEATED, NEVER USED DEODORANT (BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS SMELLED "APRIL FRESH"), AND NEVER USED THE BATHROOM. NOW YOU JUST KNOW THE CONNORS GOT STANKY, THEY ALWAYS RAN OUT OF DEODORANT, AND THAT BATHROOM WAS BUSY AS CHICAGO O'HARE. YEP, THE HUXTABLES WAS A POSITIVE SHOW, BUT ONE I COULDN'T RELATE TO. ROSEANNE, HOWEVER, FITS MY CYNICAL PERSONALITY.
    They won the lottery and you pretty much knew the show was coming to an end but they saved it with the series finale
    The entire last season was just ridiculous. Dan's heart attack, Jerry Garcia's ghost, premature baby, lottery winnings, Steven Segal... I mean, the soap opera parody Soap didn't have that many outlandish plotlines. My guess is the whole season was Roseanne's F.U. to ABC. I know she had complained about network interference in the past, but since her show was a top ten mainstay for so long she could get away with a lot.
    I've been watching the re-runs on Nick at Nite and I forgot how truly awful the entire last season was. First, the show got so preachy - I want jokes, not Roseanne's politics and social commentary (at least not so on the nose, more like in the rest of the series). Also, the show lost its working class charm, and it became just like everything else on tv. At least the final episode made up for most of the trash we got at the end of this good show's run.
    So many reasons why this show jumped the shark. But the last straw was that stupid finale where everything that had happened hadn't really happened and Dan (who was the funniest to me!) was dead and this was really just a part of Roseanne's book...goodness gracious! I had stopped watching long before the ending, but this was just horrible.
    OK, not to be homophobic, BUT......First Leon is gay, ok, his character was pretty funny. Then Nancy switches teams and yeah ok, we believe someone who looks like Sandra Bernhard could land a chick who looks like Morgan Fairchild, but sure. Those 2 situations were pretty funny, but the ultimate jump was when Bev came out. Suddenly she goes from frumpy, conservative, biased house-wife to swinging, beautiful, gorgeous girlfriend, has this great social life, lesbian. And dont get me started on the episode where Bev and her lover invite Leon and Scott over to dinner and they all start dancing like Rockettes. The ultimate jump. That whole last season was a waste, what a shame from a once brilliant show. Oh yeah, turns out in the end, Bev is straight and Jackie the guy-chaser was really gay. OK...........whatever!!!!!!!!!!!
    The very last season was just bad. It was not fuuny to watch the Conner's with money. The worst part of the whole thing was that John Goodmen was only in about five or six episodes that season. That really ruined things for me. Then they went and pulled the 180 that made the entire last season a part of Roseanne's imagination. Could have ended one of the best shows on TV a lot better!!
    I've never seen episodes from the final season of "Roseanne", not even the very last episode, so I honestly can't say if it jumped - up until that point it stayed pretty damned great, from what I can see. I realize I am in a minority on this page, but I for one was very relieved when Darlene started appearing less on the show - I didn't like her character at all and I don't think Sara Gilbert is a particularly great actress - she has a talent for sarcasm, but her performance was pretty one-note for the duration of the series. You can alays argue that that was her character, which is precisely the reason I didn't like Darlene - a little sarcasm really goes a long way. Roseanne's character was also sarcastic, but at least she showed some heart underneath it - as far as I could see, Darlene was just mean, almost all the time. And to the poster who couldn't fathom what she saw in David, I would venture to guess that she recognized that he was one of the very few guys on the entire planet who could actually put up with all her crap and still love her. I thought Lecy Goranson was great as Becky - way better than Sarah Chalke (and better than Sara Gilbert too, for that matter, although she seemed to get less recognition). The rest of the cast was great - even Roseanne, who developed into quite a good actress. Despite whatever drama was happening behind the scenes on the show, Roseanne always kept it very much an ensemble show rather than a star vehicle. She gave all the other actors plenty of chances to really shine, and she even let the writers do fat jokes at her expense! I'm sure she's probably extremely difficult to deal with in real life, but whatever you want to say about her, this show, for the majority of its run, was brilliant.
    JUMP the shark??? More like Pole Vaulted the shark. Especially winning lottery, Jackie goes from smart and cute to retarded and goofy, everyone's suddenly a lesbo. Basically when Roseanne started getting her way with the show.
    The only time it jumped the shark was when they won the lottery. I didn't mind Dan leaving Roseanne (hey, it spiced up the show, but it was sad) but as soon as they hit the jackpot, the show lost it. Everyone was getting everything they wanted and it was no longer the middle class family we all know and love. How is it funny to see a middle class family get everything they want? How funny is it to see a middle class family fight to live (well, when Roseanne is the mom, pretty damn funny)? I loved seeing a middle class family survive, because it's just like my family. We're not rich, and sometimes we need a little uplifting to make our lives not seem so bad. Then, in comes the money, out goes all the reality of the show. They no longer "need" stuff... they just want the stuff... and get it. I still watched the show from beginning to end, though, no matter how mad I was that Dan left Roseanne and they won the lottery, and so on and so forth. They still had good comedy, but the love wasn't there. And, I dunno why people are getting so worked up about there being a new Becky and Roseanne's mom coming out of the closet... in my opinion, the new Becky is prettier, and Roseanne's mom coming out of the closet was just too darn funny (and juicy!)! So there were some gay moments in the show... what show doesn't have at least a hint of that? Let it go. It made it funny. But definitely, winning the lottery jumped it for me.
    I really enjoyed this show for it's realistic portayal of middle class families. The minute they won the lottery I lost all respect for this show and stopped watching.
    I don't believe Roseanne ever jumped the shark. I'm just more amazed that someone actually thought the last season was a dream. You should have not watched any of it, because you CLEARLY did not get it. Think about it hard, the last scene explains that the ENTIRE SHOW was her biography. She changed some things around once Dan died to help her cope with his death.
    The damn lottery. It started a little before then, but the lottery was the crowning, sharktastic moment. It was like the writers had turned over all responsibility to a bunch of jerks on the street and said, "Give us ideas, and we'll fit them in somehow!" Hence we have about ten different pregnancies, Dan's cheating on Roseanne, his heart attack, and of course the lottery. Suddenly witty, observant Darlene became mealy-mouthed future mom of the year and Jackie became the screeching harpy whose one personality trait is hatred of her mother--or so we'd be led to believe from the fact that she made some comment in regards to it EVERY OTHER LINE. And so not only did the whole plot become implausible and unappealing, the characters turned into totally annoying, 2-d caricatures. And what was with that last episode? It was one of the most nauseating, self-indulgent, pandering things I've ever seen on television.
    I think the show jumped the shark after roseanne, jackie, and bev bought the loose-meat business. There were still funny episodes after this but it was a simple way to take care of Dan loosing the bike buisness. I love this show but that just wasn't realistic, I mean where did Bev get all this money? She helps Roseanne buy into the business and Jackie buy the house Dan fixes up with Tim Curry and she's only getting alimony from a salesman(if I remember right).
    Roseanne is my favorite show and i have seen each episode at least 10 times, it never gets old and Darlene is soo funny but the last season i lost interest after htey won the lottery. The show wasnt the same, it wasnt even funny anymore. The last episode got me tho, it was shocking and sad but good ending, winning the lottery was to unrealistic
    There's definitely a point in time when watching this on Nick at Nite that I use to see if it's gonna be a "good one" or not -- that's most likely the Becky switch. It's not that the episodes are bad after Becky's different, it's just that it's later on in the story and I don't look for those clever things that the first seasons just seemed to have that the other ones didn't. Also, to the posters that say that the final episode clears up the final season -- it does A LOT more than clear up the final season, in that sense. It clears up the entire show, as if you listen to it, the final episode explains that Roseanne made up the entire story and was working on a book, giving us stories of her life as she had wanted it, or thought it should've been; therefore, we never meet the "real" Roseanne and the entire sitcom is just the rewritten or retold stories of the true life of Roseanne, or something, you know?
    I think ABC got on roseannes bad side or something. Why did she have to jump her show like that. The last show completely alienated me. I mean Dan heart attack, darlenes baby, The LOTTERY, why roseanne why? She held ABC ass up for 9 years and was top ten in neilsen every year. When I found out jackie was gay, dan was dead, and darlenes baby situation was really happening between David and Becky. WTF! I think she killed her show because ABC kept butting in being whistle blowers. Roseanne and any long running show not made past 1998 was the last good television well ever see. I can relate to this show. Because people believe it or not have f**ked up lives and this was a good example. This show jumped when ABC wanted to cancel it. TV is on life support and reality tv is going to pull the plug.
    Not only did this show dive downhill after Disneyland (darlene pregnant, win lottery, blah blah blah)...to totally dismiss the show on the series finale? That was pathetic.
    This show jumped when ABC swept Roseanne's growing mental instability under the rug as long as she kept the ratings up. And so her decline into insanity took the show with it, as all the characters suddenly became more and more insane. She started out laughing at herself, but then started getting more and more overly-serious, and the humor went from ironic to just plain mean, and the message just got really preachy and sappy, while the conflict got really politically-correct like someone turning gay, or Jackie getting beat up by her boyfriend etc. It was bad enough that Roseanne's blue-collar white-trash family suddenly celebrated their being broker then ever, by going to Disneyworld, and suddenly becoming the happiest family on earth-- in the very year that Disney bought ABC, no less, which shows that Roseanne was once a whore, and hasn't changed; if she had any guts, she would have had her family tear Disneyland apart. But no, she even has a follow-up episode about "Edelweiss Gardens," a stab at Six Flags which is owned by Disney rival Warner Bros., making it look like a Nazi training-center. But the last straw came when she finally flipped in her final season, and screwed her long-time fans over with that stupid lottery-winning episode and every episode afterward. I couldn't believe all those STUPID joke-scenes with the laugh-track cranked up non-stop, to make it look like this stuff was actually FUNNY. And the "Dallas" series Finale, where it turned out the entire show was completely different, and the lottery thing was just a dream? A more fitting (and funny) ending would be more like a "Seinfeld" Finale-- with Roseanne being carried out in a straight-jacket, and locked up in a mental hospital for good!
    This show JTS when Roseanne has a daydream sequence that they will all become shipwrecked on the boat Dan's building and the Roseanne cast dresses up as the 'Gilligan' cast (Jackie as Gilligan) and recite every joke from every lame hack comic's 'Gilligan' bit. ("If the professor's so smart, why can't he fix the boat?" HA!) 3 or 4 minutes of this would have been more than enough, but it just goes ON AND ON for the entire episode. (This is the turning point. All the other JTS crap started shortly after the 'Gilligan' episode. I.E., Babies, Weddings, Lottery, Everybody's Gay.)
    Although it was unrelated to the demise of the show, Roseanne just lost it around the time DJ's voice started to change. It had just outlived its usefulness. Things got even worse when they killed off John Goodman's character yet continued on anyway. It's a classic example of a show, like The Cosby Show, just hanging on too long.
    ROSEANNE was a consistently smart and sophisticated sitcom about some not so smart and sophisticated people that stayed laugh-out-loud funny for most of its nine seasons on the air. Jackie and Roseanne fighting each other because Jackie wanted to prove she had what it took to be a cop...Darlene's poem "To Whom it Concerns", Roseanne and Dan buying the perfume and the bell when they swore they weren't going to....Darlene trying to change her history grade so she didn't have to quit basketball but couldn't find the right shade of red ink until she offered Becky five months of her allowance to help her...all the Thanksgiving and Halloween episodes...Jackie playing Roxanne in CYRANO DE BERGERAC with Roseanne feeding her the lines from backstage...Dan and Roseanne having Chip's parents over for dinner while Beckey had already started seeing another guy who Roseanne "would consider leaving your father for." Jackie and Roseanne working in the grocery store trying to sell Soya Sausage and Cheese in a can, subsequently getting Mr. Parkin fired...their trip to Disney world...Joan Collins playing Roseanne's Cousin Ronnie. I can't even beging to name all the classic stuff I saw on this show. The show did not rely on a lot of big name guest stars either...their core cast was strong enough. John Goodman could possibly be the most underrated actor in show business today. This man could do anything and I think it's criminal that he never won an Emmy for his work on this show. Laurie Metcalfe was equally brilliant as the screwball Jackie and Sara Gilbert was one of Roseanne's best foils as the dark and demented Darlene. It really didn't jump, but the show did hit a definite bump with the revolving Beckys. Lecy quit then Sarah was hired then Lecy came back for about six episodes and then Sarah was back. I thought it was very smart of the show to address this with the spoof of THE PATTY DUKE SHOW opening they did at the end of one show. But once Lecy quit, it became very difficult to invest in the character of Becky as an audience member and I think it became hard for the writers to write for her too. But I have to say the show definitely jumped the shark when the Conners won the lottery. The whole premise of the show was about a lower middle class family fighting and scratching to survive...stuff that we regular folks could relate to...not paying the bills...the bike shop going bankrupt...the public service being cut off. Most of us just can't relate to having 108 million dollars and the show just got silly after that. Prior to that, though, this was one of the best sitcoms ever.
    My vote is for Roseanne's attitude change and status after she won the lottery. First of all, The whole point of Roseanne's attitude was to show how macho but awesome and funny she was. I enjoyed how Dan Conner dishes out discipline because that easily shows how a parent should treat their children for bad deeds. A growing problem throughout the 1990s was children getting away with things like lying and poor discipline. Best of all, this show had almost all blues music. Blues music is great because it easier to listen to, easier make out to, and easier have fun with than jazz is. That being in terms of the show's music. As for the events, Leon and Scott's wedding wasn't worth it. Let's say this, OK. This should have never happened because it was a waste of time. Second, the wedding musician (annoying organ player) shouldn't have appeared because she had on uglyass glasses and a purple dress. This is a goddamn wedding, not a job intreview! And anyone with big glasses is a freaking geek! Finally, why was Martin Mull on this show? It's a shame ABC let Roseanne fall apart. Oh well....
    This show was so awesome in the beginning. The cast had great chemistry together and was instantly believeable as a family. Becky was the smart pretty one, Darlene was the tomboy, Dj was just the babied younger child, Dan actually was treated as part of the family and made some deceisons, also made some made jokes and was an easy going guy who cared for his family. Roseanne was always laughing and kidding around with her kids. Jackie was great as the baby sister who still looked up to her big sis and hung out with her family and she was especially great as a cop who had boyfriend problems. Then Mark enters the scene and that's when things jumped the shark, really. After Mark came around, Roseanne went from light blue class collar comedy to kind of dramaish with Becky always shrieking at her parents that it was their fault that they had ruined her life. Then she runs off and marries mark, that was the ultimate shark jump. Suddenly Becky is gone and Darlene suddenly becomes the smartest kid in the house. Even when Becky returns, they all act Darlene was never the tomboy who was always waited last minute to do her homework. Instead, suddenly she's always been this saracastic gothic bitch who has always wanted to be a writer and puts down everybody else in her family like she's far above them. Shark jump two is when David, Darlene's boyfriend moves into the house. That was just stupid. Why would the conners let Mark's brother move into their home where other teenage daughter lives? Besides, don't they hate Mark? Shark Jump three is the changes to Roseanne. Now, instead of laughing and joking around with her kids, she is always being sarcastic and talking about being white trash like it's a medal that she has earned. she gets lots of surgeries and does not look herself. she starts to disrespect dan alot around this time, by no longer allowing him to be an equal partner in their relationship. she takes over the entire family. next shark jump was all the gayness that suddenly came out of nowhere to this show. leon being gay was fine. i liked how he wasn't a typical gay sterotype and was just a regular guy but then her mom turned gay, she kisses a woman, she throws a gay wedding for leon and his boyfriend that is sterotypical gay, her best friend nancy is gay. shark jump number five is the lottery win. that was a huge mistake. noone wanted to see roseanne go to the spa and it was just awful what they did to jackie's character. who took over playing her? was it the same person who played gilligan on gilligan's island? after she won the lottery, lots of bad plots followed like where she fights ninjas on a train or dan cheats on her or jackie dates the prince or they spend time with the rich family. another shark jump that happened a little bit before the lottery win was having jackie get pregnant, marry fred and get divorced. why did that ever happen? it served no purpose other than for roseanne to bring up doing the episode that they were so white trash that jackie was getting married when she was showing. speaking of babies being shark jumpers, add darlene's baby and roseann'es baby to that list too. none of them was needed. the last episode was the worse about this show. it was such a letdown and really confusing especially the part where she said she rewrote some things. worse last episode of all time.
    Was there anyone left on this show who at some point wasn't gay? I mean, gay characters are fine, but Roseanne went overboard in whatever social statement she wanted to get across. On another note, I thought Dan always liked Mark better than David, which I never understood. Mark treated Becky like crap, whereas David treated Darlene with respect (Darlene actually ran roughshod over him), yet Dan had a certain disdain toward David. Maybe he liked Mark better since he was a mechanic and more "guyish," but it never made sense to me why he embraced the more disrespectful brother-in-law.
    This show is one of the greatest to be on TV. It was original, smart, edgy and FUNNY. I absolutely adore watching the reruns everyday. That being said, this show had a definitive JTS moment and it was well before the Conners won the lottery! It was when the new Becky came into town. Sara Chalke played this character horribly. Her acting made the women in porn look like Emmy calibur actresses. It was almost unbearable. Ever notice how she'd walk into a room, squabble for a moment with her mom or dad, and then go running up the stairs-aaaaahhhh, that happened every ****ing episode! Following the new Becy, Roseanne went from being a hard ass loving mom to a plain old bitch. (And the real Roseanne began using her show to send "messages" about drugs or politics). Mark went from being a rebel to a braindead dumbass. David became a woman, DJ was a ****ing annoying idiot-remember when he wanted to become a filmmaker? Dan was obsolete eventually, Darlene was too sarcastic and the greatest character, Jackie became a shell of the former character-like a cartoon version of the original. When Dan and Roseanne decided to have another kid was ridiculous and of course theres all this trouble with the pregnancy and then theres the birth episode which was essentially presented like an acid flashback and they name their kid Jerry Garcia. When Darlene gets pregnant and they have that hippie wedding and Dan has the heart attack-stupid and not one funny moment. When they win the lottery was the topper. Fights with terrorists on a train and Jackie dating a prince, hanging out with socialites in the Hamptons, befriending those bitches from Absolutely Fabulous! And Darlene's kid is born all premature and is a miracle baby-unwatchable. When everyone, including Bev becomes gay-nothing wrong with being gay, but suddenly all these people are suddenly gay??? The Final Episode was a doozy. Turns out the last 2 seasons, or the entire show, were all bull****-a figment of the author Roseanne's imagination. Jackie's a lesbian, Dan's dead, Becky was married to David, Darlene was married to Mark. And then they trot out Crystal and Nancy for the last episode and I dont think they even spoke any lines, and its like, where the hell have they been for the past two or three years, anyway? What happened to this show was truly unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!
    A bunch of things went wrong on Roseanne pretty close together. But when Becky started to be played by a different actress, it seemed like the first in a series of icky things that led up to the end of the show. First, Becky is replaced with a new actress. That's always hard to adjust to, regardless of the actor/actress. Then, DJ going through puberty was very weird. Ick. Finally, when the Connors won the lottery, the show became un-watchable.
    This show jumped the shark when they changed the opening credits scene from the family sitting around the table eating to that Michael-Jackson-morphing thing with the charachters standing in a line like cartoon cut-outs, because that is about the time the show lost its realism being about a working class family and all the characters became cartoon like.
    It could've jumped when they went to Disneyworld, but Roseanne did a couple episodes that delivered some great F you's to Disney for forcing them to shoot that episode. Unfortunately, it did jump a few months later when they won the lottery, and there was just no cure for that. That in and of itself wouldn't have been so bad, but it set off a chain reaction. Dan had an affair, Jackie dated that prince played Jim Varney... EARNEST playing a prince? And then there were all those crappy episodes from that long vacation the family took. It's always sad to see a good show take such a downward turn, but at least it happened close to the end of the show's run, instead of going on for three or four seasons this way.
    "Roseanne" is one of my all time favorite shows. Unlike some of the other squeaky clean, corny crapfests on TV (oh lets just say Full House for example), the Conners were a believable average American family. I loved Aunt Jackie- my favorite all time episode is Stash from the Past when Dan & Roseanne are in the bathroom talking then suddenly you hear a voice say "nobody loves me" and they open and shower curtain and Jackie is sitting in the tub. Hilarious! And when Jackie had to call the aunt and tell her their father died..."DAD IS NO LONGER WITH US" I cried from laughing so much. I agree that the last season was barely tolerable-Roseanne fighting the terrorists, the spa adventures, Edgar Wellman...just plain boring. But I think the show really went downhill when Sarah Chalke replaced Lecy Goranson as Becky. Although I found the 2 Beckys jokes funny, Sarah just wasn't believable as Becky. Lecy always had such chemistry with all the other actors. Whenever Darlene or Roseanne would pick on her she'd get all embarrassed and defensive. Sarah-Becky was just dull and had no purpose whatsoever. I don't understand why they felt the need to even have a new Becky in the first place. Lecy went off to college, thus the reason she couldn't do the role of Becky anymore, but by then Becky wasn't even a main character anymore. Lecy came back to guest star as Becky on future episodes, and I think they should have just left it at that instead of bringing in Sarah.
    When Jackie, Roseanne's sister got married. We were always wondering when will she meet her man, and when she did and got married, the show lost its spunk. She moved next door to her sister and things got boring. They had the restaurant to support them and were no longer struggling. The entire show was based on the struggle. Now they were just two boring old ladies visiting each other daily, exhibiting poor parenting skills never seen in prior episodes. After the lottery, the show went to hell.
    I was/am a huge fan of the tv show Roseanne. I thought that the show is one of the more realistic shows on tv. I, for one, can definitely relate more to Roseanne and her family than all of those plastic 'Friends' or spoiled rich-kids on 'The O.C'. I especially related to Darlene on the show. We're the same age, and I could definitely relate to her while growing up. Although I agree with the Jumping the Shark and the lotto fiasco (although the actual show when Jackie lets everyone know they won was hilarious), I would go with Darlene getting pregnant. It just didn't fit well with her character. Darlene hated babies, and kids in general, and then she gets pregnant at 19. Although that is realistic I guess, since I consider myself so much of a 'Darlene' I would have died at the prospect of being a mother that young. I thought it was the wrong direction to take. Especially those weepy 'Save Darlene's Baby' episodes. Yech.
    During the 7th Season Roseanne started to run out of gas. This began when in real life Roseanne had problems with her pregnancy. As a result she missed several episodes or only appeared in a scene or two. This began in an episode where Roseanne had to stay in bed.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when she won the lottery and broke up with Dan. Because of the way that this aspect of the show was handled I am unable to watch any part of the series. I could not believe that Dan (not the Dan I had grown to know), would ever leave his family, ever. The show became stupid. But, the show was on the Shark pool jump ramp the year before the lottery any way.
    This show jumped the shark when Becky got married to Mark...Also, when they moved into the house...what is this? Full House the next generation???It just seemed so dumb!...Also, whats with Sarah Chalke taking over Becky???....the original Becky was a rebel and not sweet...it was overall bad acting!...horrible seasons!
    If I had to mark a moment when Roseanne jumped the shark it would have to when Sarah Chalke began as Becky in Season 6. The show had actually been in decline prior to that however. I thought Roseanne was a very high quality show realistically portraying the life of a lower-middle class midwestern family. It was also, of course, very funny. The first season was good if tentative. By the second season the writers and actors seemed to know the characters better and this began the show's peak, seasons 2,3 and 4. By season 5 (if you need reminding, it's the one where Becky marries Mark, David moves in, the Lunch Box is opened and Jackie has an abusive boyfriend) the show was still watchable but there were a few terrible episodes (the Joan Collins guest appearance for example) and and overall drop in quality was noticeable. By the the sixth season the show and was just getting bad and would get progressively worse until its end. Roseanne's character had always been a domineering, sarcastic mother but by this point had seemed to develop an uppealing nasty streak. Plus, while she was previous portayed as the glue that kept her family together, she was prone to misjudgement like all parents. The Roseanne of season 6 and on was nearly infallible which made her seem incredibly egotistical and all the other characters seem rather stupid. By the time new Becky appeared in episode 9, it was over. This wasn't the fault of Sarah Chalke, per se, but when I see a rerun of the show her presence is how I know it won't be worth watching.
    I think Roseanne JTS after Jackie had her baby. Jackie was never "herself" after that event. She was portrayed as goofy (someone else mentioned that she was replaced by Don Knotts that last two seasons). Jackie had always been my favorite character, but after the baby, I could't bear to watch her.
    This show jumped many times over its LONG run. Everyone turns gay is one time that comes to mind and the boyfriends living in the house is the other biggy. Someone noted on here they thought the Connors were the average middle class family. If thats true, my family was upper class. The trashy immoral Connors made my family look like the Cleavers. This show is only slightly better than Full House and Family Matters.
    I believe Roseanne jumped when Sarah Chalke replaced Lecy Goranson as Becky. Chalke just didn't have the fire that Goranson gave to Becky. I remember reading somewhere that 'Roseanne has the most realistic teen in Darlene.' Well, they were half right. The show had the most realistic teen, but it wasn't Darlene, it was early Becky. Here's a run down of Becky's exploits: 1) drove her mother wild by giving her the royal silent treatment, 2) broke into the liquor cabinet when her parents were away, 3) pretended she gave the finger in the class photo to be popular, 4) hung out at the mall with her friends all the time, 5) began dating the bad boy that gave her parents nightmares, 6) lied and snuck off to see bad boyfriend 7) ran away to aunt's house because parents wouldn't let her see bad boyfriend, 8) allowed bad boyfriend to drive dad's motorcycle, 9) asked to get birth control pills, 10) ran off and eloped with bad boyfriend, breaking parent's hearts. Now that is a realist teen. All Darlend ever did was throw out monotoned, sarcastic one-liners that were too intelligent for someone her age to come up with. Season 1-4 were definitely the best.
    Roseanne was a damn good show when it started in 1988. It was probably the most brutally honest portrayal of cheap white trash in the slums of rural Illinois I have seen to date (up to a point on the show). I don’t know the seasons, so forgive me for this – Roseanne was good from Day one up to the point she, Jackie, Crystal, Anne Marie (her standin), and the ol’ Babe quit Wellman Plastics because of Booker’s replacement. Now in a reality, the women wouldn’t have quit their jobs like that despite Faber being a tight asstwit. After they quit, the show had its first JTS. It totally took away from the Norma Rae element I think the show had, about these women with all these dreams stuck in the bowels of the American Dream. From this point on you had baby sharks floating. Roseanne changed the last name to Arnold, Tom Arnold becomes a regular on the show, Jackie becomes a young Rose Nylund from the Golden Girls, and Crystal becomes desperate as all hell. Jackie was one of the best characters on the show, and they just turned her into a career juggling hoe hopper. Her life should be the biggest JTS moment in the history of television. She goes from being intelligent and analytical to the biggest neurotic that is in desperate need of ritalin! She was with Booker, Gary, Fisher…from Fisher on she was a mess, especially after the beatings. She then ends up with a messed up haircut, looks like Ellen Degeneress on crack, and winds up getting knocked up by the likes of Fred and having the nerve to have a baby. Terrible. Then Crystal, my favorite character on the show. She was the neurotic that the show had and needed as a balance for Roseanne’s inner circle of family and friends. But when they gave that to Jackie, she took up with Dan’s father??????????? And then proceeded to breed babies for the man faster than slaves did for their masters. Then she vanished without a trace from the show, never to be heard from again. Then there was Bonnie, who was Roseanne’s bud from work, what happened to her??????????? She was the one who really could have been developed as a psuedo badass biker on the show instead of recruiting Sandra Bernheard on the friggin show. Geeez. Then Anne Marie disappeared, who seemed to be really cool with Roseanne and the gang…she was last seen at DJ’s thanksgiving murdering play around the last season with 1 line. Then there were Dan’s pals. There was Dwight, who never could get his rap together, Roseanne’s first hubby who lived across the street from them, whatever father moved next door to the Connor’s in later seasons, and Anne Marie’s husband Chuck. And of course later, Arnie. I felt sorry for Dan when I saw him in later seasons playing poker with David, Mark, and Leon. 2nd JTS moment – When Roseanne lost her job at the Rodbell’s diner. Jackie by this time and went from Truck Driver to Cop, and had lost that job after getting shot in the but and some spill from Roseanne about how dangerous it all was. When the diner closed, the show really lost that Middle class edge, and I only say that because Dan’s motorcycle shop really didn’t get that much exposure unless it was something about Mark messing up Becky’s life. It really was in poor taste for the writers to let the show go to hell at this point, but when you got lovebirds Tom and Roseanne Arnold writing the show, with half the team coked out their wits, what do you expect. 3rd JTS moment – the adolescence of all the Conner kids. The 2 Becky thing aside, the whole spill on Becky getting birth control, slipping out with Mark and being buck wild were great. I saw it as Roseanne/Dan’s teenage romps biting them back in the buns. But the writers took the easy way out. If folks can remember, Mark was a punk kid, had a smart attitude, a genius working on bikes and cars, and had massive attitude. After they got married he got cloned into a Gilligan. Another pawn into getting cheap laughs. People were drawn into their relationship because we knew he was a bad boy, and he came back a imitation geek. Now Darlene too had a good progression. I can totally relate to her dissimilation of the world and reality after finding out things that were blind to her and becoming a goth kid. But they paired her with David, who was totally submissive to her and just not a good match. He wasn’t funny, didn’t have any depth, and other than being the first boy she slept with, he really didn’t have any usefulnesss. And it didn’t help that he was Mark’s brother. That whole scenario of David being verbally abused by his mother just didn’t fit when you never heard Mark discuss it, you know? DJ – he was the cute little puppy faced kid, who got uglier as the years passed on screen. I mean his character. He couldn’t act to begin with, and when he got older, storylines about his questioned sexuality (the Halloween one about him being a witch) and playing with Todd (who had the mother from hell) just were fillers. Then when Roseanne decided to compete with Jackie and have a baby, he became unneeded. He really didn’t have a place in the family because stories weren’t developed around his evolution. One day we all looked up and there he was, deep voiced and 5’9. 4th JTS – Roseanne competing with Ellen on who can be the most coolest on their show outing gay characters. First Roseanne kissed Mariel Hemmingway. Ok, fine. Then Leon was outed. Ok, we knew that was coming. But then Bev is gay, Jackie is gay-acting, Nancy is gay, everything is gay, David is questioning his gayness, AGHGHGHGHHHHH! It was just enough. It made all the characters so shallow and superficial. I mean damn, how many gay people can we get in Lanford? 5th JTS – Hair care/plastic surgery of the whole damn cast!!! Roseanne had a couple face lifts, weave/hair cuts that were hiddeous (everything after she was a red head). Then she had liposuction, chin tucks, and they just made her look old and rechid. Jackie went blond and curly, then grew her hair out then cut it like a boy which really showed her “gayness”. Dan grew a mane n tail doo, then the wilderbeast beard. Hiddeous. Darlene just never had a clue with her pitch black hair, but she definetely needed to tuck that chin in after her face lift. Becky number 1 went into a page boy cut when she married Mark, and it was ugly. DJ always rocked the Moe Howard cut and they needed to take the bowl off the child’s head and cut it correctly, instead of around the bowl. 6th JTS – The fantasy world of Roseanne Barr/Pendleton/Arnold/Whoever the hell. She first gave us a taste of her unfunny imagination with the bathtub musical. As she got more and more control of her show on the writing end, we just have random thoughts in her day. The borrowed train siege from Under Siege 2 Dark Territory. Her romance with Wellman Junior. Her erasing her inlaws, friends, and most family from the show. Lets face it, the woman is a comic, and comics aren’t the best writers on a sitcom if they can’t get off the stage. Just ask Jerry Seinfeld. 7th JTS – Roseanne was a bitch. This show had more directors than All My Children has seasons. Her rapor with her crew and cast DEFINETELY affected this show in a bad way. You can tell early on it was a joy, but when the Golden Girls are cracking jokes on you with one liners, and jolly John Goodman leaves the show, you’re eeeeeviillllll. Sad to say, Roseanne brought a great show down because of her own temperment, and because of it, she’ll never be able to have another sitcom again. 8th JTS – Roseanne blackballs her entire cast from having an acting future. Because of her antics (from grabbing her crotch singing the National Anthem on down), John Goodman, Laurie Metcalf, Sara Gilbert, and the rest of the lot are still unable to come out of the molds of their characters from that show AND/OR are accused of being just that difficult to work with as well. Laurie was last seen in Scream 2, and John was in Blues Brothers 2000. Sara was seen smoking pot in college, and Lecy who??? Now you have the evolution of Roseanne.
    I used to watch Roseanne all the time with my mom. But one day, I suddenly felt that the TV show (and Roseanne herself) jumped the shark when my mother thought that a dumb TV show about a blue-collar housewife was more important than watching our hometown professional baseball team (Toronto Blue Jays) win their first World Series championship. It started like this. I just got home from my friend's house where I played his brand new Super NES machine. My mother was upstairs talking to one of her female friends so I flipped the channel of the vacant TV to the World Series. 15 minutes later, the bases were loaded in the crucial moment of the World Series and Mom yelled at me to put back on Roseanne. I had to read the newspaper the next day to find out that Toronto won that game. I don't remember the exact game number, but it was a crucial game in the World Series.
    Definitely the dying-baby episode for me. I can't stand it when long-running comedy series decide to go dramatic - It's as if they're thinking "Hey, people care about the characters now, so we can get away with writing a few less jokes". This episode was 30 minutes of Roseanne blustering "I don't care what it costs, I want the best for that baby". It's been a while since I saw it, but I'm willing to put money on there being a scene where a 'snooty' (i.e. well-spoken and so obviously evil) doctor tells her there's nothing they can do to save it and she 'puts him in his place'. We tuned in to see a comedy. So tell some darned jokes.
    When perky tomboy Darlene got her period, and started growing TEETH "down there--" obviously turning into a young Roseanne Barr, as Roseanne (the REAL Roseanne) started taking over the show to make everyone worship her like the insecure, self-hating bitch that she is (and was). This was one of the FIRST shark-jumps of many, like Fonzie at Sea World.
    It really jumped when the Becky's were switched. But the quality of the show started declining each season, believe it or not, after Tom Arnold left. Roseanne's character became more and more mean, and more out of touch with reality. This show was originally praised for it's realism. What is descended into was a joke.
    Roseanne is perhaps the worst JTS in television history. The exact moment Rosanne JTS is difficult to pinpoint, but if I had to give one precise episode, I'd say it was when Becky eloped. That was the end of the familiar format of the show. You knew then the dynamics of the show were forever changed. There were still some classic episodes after that (DJ masturbating, Roseanne and Dan getting stoned, even the David character wasn’t all that bad), but the show was different without the same three kids. It totally went down hill when they reintroduced Becky but with a different actress. That was extremely lame. Yet it was still somewhat watchable, although no longer a must see like its first four seasons. The final nail in the coffin, however, was when Roseanne won the lottery. After that, the show became a parody of itself and as its ratings indicated, it was beyond watchable. Roseanne is perhaps the worst JTS in television history, with Happy Days coming in a close second. I suppose the real reason why Roseanne’s jump was so major was that Roseanne the real life actress went loony and started thinking she was abducted by aliens and gang raped by her entire family. You can’t expect anything quality from someone so far from reality. She was (and is) a basket case.
    What made her think she could retain control of writing. Man did this go bizarely south when that happened. The writers she hired were absolutely horrible.
    Fake Becky. She just didn't have the same chemistry or personality as the original. Also, this wasn't supposed to be a cutesy show, so what's with all the babies - Jackie's, Roseanne's (unnecessary for the show), and Darlene (yeah, right!). Then, of course, winning the lottery. It just got boring after that. Dan was cool, wish they'd kept him.
    This show was made for the low income family's. It was made for you to be able to relate to, yes there was a lot of fantasy towards the end. but be real here ... if you lost your husband your gonna have your own methods to deal. she just made it seem as though she hit the lottery and it solved her problems.. but it didnt solve the problem. thats what it was really meaning.. money isnt the answer to everything and as far as the music goes it was nothing more than a signal for the end.. letting you know what was happening the show was coming to a close. for those of you who didnt understand the last episode go back and watch it.. all it was about was telling what really happened.. it all made since.. david was always better with becky and darleen was always better with dumb ass mark.. her having a baby was meant to show not everything a person sets out to do they accomplish.. in real life.. how many people say Im not having kids till I graduate college and get a job build a house... blah blah and then end up pregnant and married by age 19... thats what that was all about.. everything in the show was a way for some one to relate to it. no nothing was perfect but i have to admit id rather watch the totally screwed up family of Roseanne than the supposedly perfect one of Leave it to Beaver. At least I can relate to the characters in Roseanne.................
    Roseanne Conner was originally a fat bitchy house wife. However, she was also very down to earth and was a very warm loveable character. At some point this character was murdered and replaced by Roseanne (the real life Roseanne) a bitchy bitch of a diva with very few redeaming qualities. If you watch the show from season to season you will see her transform into this character. Also the show loses its life when all the characters melt into one collective whining baby. It's not even worth it to talk about them winning the lottery because the show was completely murdered at that point. Roseanne (the real Roseanne) must agree with everyone about the lottery because she tries to undo it at the very end of the series and kills Dan Conner in the process. I think at that point she was so drunk with her control over the show that she just did **** to see it magically apear on T.V.
    I think that the point where this show began to head downhill was when Becky eloped with Mark. After that, Roseanne went from being a caustic but loving mother to being a total b****. There were still quite a few good episodes after this, and the show didn't get consistently bad until a couple of seasons later, but this was the beginning of the downward slide.
    When Dan started acting stupid, like around the seventh but especially the eight season, like in the episode where Roseanne, Jackie, and Jerry go for a car ride and Dan wants to be home alone, I thought Dan's character acted in a dumb way. I guess also with Sarah Chalke replacing Becky, because she is just someone that was not right for the role. She was just a dumb blonde really, nothing more to say about her. I thought the eight season was a jump up from the seventh season, because Lecy returned, and she was the real Becky. The ninth season was really good in my opinion- a hole new flavor to the show. It was better than the seventh season and the sixth mainly because Sarah Chalke was only in like 4 or 5 episodes in season 9, but I thought winning the lottery fit the description of the Connors
    It was the point where Dan grew a beard, Old Becky came back to the show just as we had got used to new Becky. She was acting like old becky again. Then a few episodes later, new Becky came back AGAIN & acted like new Becky again. Roseanne had her baby approximately this period & so did Jackie.(maybe a little before) This show when straight DOWNHILL WITH NO BREAKS!!!! The show completely lost it's funny & it's beleivability at this point!! I have not seen much past these parts, but here is what I hear happens: Soon Darlene becomes pregnant & married, the Conners win the lottery, & the big loveable Dan cheats on his wife (He just does not seem like that kind of person. Maybe she had just become that much of a cold-hearted, unfunny bitch for him to deal with.)
    Okay, for some reason when I think about Roseanne "jumping the shark" Jackie breaking up with Gary instantly comes to mind. Lecy Goranson leaving and Lori's Jackie turning into a buffoon also nailed the proverial nail in the coffin, IMO. The latter wsa probably the most painful for me as a fan of the show. I hate it when shows take the easy way out trying to get laughs by making a character(s) a moron. My favorite seasons of Roseanne are 2-8. The first seaon was too fluffy and the last two were...weird. You have to give Roseanne her due, though. Anyway,Roseanne,like they say, "when it was good, it was real good."
    This show, I think, has jumped the shark multiple times. However, every time except ONCE they have recovered and our regularly schedule programming resumed without harm. Jackie's pregnancy/marriage, the flip flopping Beckies (plus both actresses seemed to play two totally different characters), the birth of Jerry and Andy, and the coming out of the closet of several characters. Still nonetheless, the show produced good shows and stories despite those flaws. But once you take out the special qualities that Roseanne had: the struggle of a middle class family, conflict, hilarious back and forth talk--with the addition of money and comfort, you have no longer an interesting show, but one of shells of characters that once lived. And there was no recovering.
    The show JTS when Roseanne began using it as a platform to make political and philosophical statements that pretty much went against the grain of blue collar middle America. In real life, Roseanne's sister is gay, and Jackie was slated to be gay---but her sexuality was portrayed as hetero during the first season when she was involved with George Clooney's chracter, who turned out to be abusive. Eventually Jackie's sexuality was revealed to be more homo than heterosexual, as was most of the other characters. In addition, Roseanne Connor's parents were portrayed as having been abusive and ignorantly bad parents (she should have been in therapy on every episode), the mother was crazy, Dan's father was a womanizer, the characters like Krystal just sort of disappeared off the horizon, Shelly Winters as Grandma was presented as hip and normal.....the list goes on and on and on, and the show jumped the shark as soon as its writers were obligated to put that kind of drivel in, since people were not tuning in to be lectured at or educated, but only entertained......
    I didn't mind the different Beckys (I liked the second one better). It was a mistake to have less of Darlene (she was awesome) and more of DJ (he was awful). Mark becoming more of a moron each season was painful to watch. I soooo missed the old Roseanne of the first few seasons. She and the whole cast were great back then and the story lines were realistic and relatable.
    I liked "Roseanne," but Sarah Chalke replacing Lecy Goranson as "Becky" was too much! Sarah Chalke is an exccellent actress, but she didn't have the same sassy attitude that the original "Becky" had! It also jumped when "Roseanne" focused on Jackie constantly going from one bad relationship to another and from one job to another. Instaed of Jackie being the young, hip younger sister, she appeared as the younger sister, who just couldn't get her life straight, which made Roseanne seem like the winning character of the two because she had a family and a bigger house; although, it definitely was a far cry from a luxurious mansion, it was much better than living in an apartment and eventually that really small house that Jackie FINALLY gets. It also jumped the shark for the 3rd time when they bought the diner. As expensive as real estate is, it's not likely that you could afford to buy a diner for a mere $20,000-30,000. It would cost you several hundred thousand dollars by the time you add in the food, the payroll, the cost of the actual site, etc.--not realistic!
    It was definitely when Roseanne split with Dan. They were MADE for each other. Literally. Why would they do that to her and Dan? I loved the show before they got rich, i mean I love their house design, but lord, it was made to be blue-collared and should always be, not some gay, rich soap opera.
    The season the family won the lottery. What a jump! I also agree with previous posters comments on the signs to come: Jackie, once an interesting character,became stupid; two Beckys (one who acted like a real teenager and one who couldn't act but had a Canadian accent); the Jackie Thomas Show; Roseanne's facelifts and her tan; Darlene became bitchy and just delivered a bunch of one liners each episode; interesting supporting characters leave and never come back (Booker, Crystal, Anne Marie). The first few seasons were great...it was just a well-written show with interesting characters about a blue collar family that was a standard sitcom show. The writers moved away from that and turned them into stock characters from the Sitcom 101 book. I am all for characters evolving..but why become dumber or like every other sitcom character on tv. Then it became some celebrity driven show. Do writers honestly think that bringing celebrities in will help a show? Okay, Tim Curry, Sandra Bernhard, Martin Mull and Fred Willard were talented (still are) and underused, but 99% of the time most guest star celebrities do a poor job on sitcoms or look out of place- even if they aren't supposedly playing themselves. The episodes with Sharon Stone, Joan Collins, Shelley Winters (who plays a feisty grandmother) and especially, Debbie Reynolds, are horrible.
    The third and fourth seasons of this “Roseanne” are a text-book case of a promising sitcom hitting its stride. Roseanne Barr herself had greatly improved as an actress since the first season; John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf were first rate; and Sara Gilbert and Lecy Goranson as daughters Darlene and Becky came into their own. Throw in a solid group of recurring characters (Crystal, Leon, Bonnie, Kathy the snobby neighbor) and excellent stories (Jackie does community theater; Roseanne hurts her back and her mother spoils the kids; Roseanne considers breast reduction) and you have a wonderful run of episodes. Unfortunately, this started to fall apart during the fifth season – some of the better writers started leaving; and Becky ran off with Mark, leaving Darlene lost without her sparring partner. Worse, the character of Roseanne Conner herself began to change – always sarcastic, Roseanne had a warm, even selfless side (catch the episode where she backs down to neighbor Kathy because it means DJ will have a friend). You can see that she’d be fun to have a few beers with. Starting with the fifth season and continuing to the end of the series, Roseanne became an increasingly shrill, callous, self-important bitch who was downright nasty to her family and friends at times. Maybe this reflected the real Roseanne Barr, who knows? The writing also declined – it seemed that the writers were more concerned with being controversial (Roseanne kisses Mariel Hemingway; Bev is gay; DJ masturbates) than being funny. The cast changed, too – ditzy best friend Crystal was eased out in favor of the grotesque Sandra Berhardt as Nancy. Worse, the genuinely underrated Goranson, as the bright, eager-to-succeed Becky, was replaced by miscast Sarah Chalke, whose Becky became an airhead who lived in a trailer and waited tables. Suddenly, Darlene was making jokes about the intelligence of the former straight-A student Becky – what was that about?. Gilbert’s Darlene became terribly one note – how she got all the accolades, with her poker-faced, Tina Yothers-esque performances, while Goranson got none, is beyond me. I won’t even discuss the final season or series finale – that whole year is a train wreck. If only they could have kept up the quality of years three and four for a few more seasons, “Roseanne” would stand as one of the top sitcoms of all time.
    The third and fourth seasons of “Roseanne” are a text-book case of a promising sitcom hitting its stride. Roseanne Barr herself had greatly improved as an actress since the first season; John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf were first rate; and Sara Gilbert and Lecy Goranson as daughters Darlene and Becky came into their own. Throw in a solid group of recurring characters (Crystal, Leon, Bonnie, Kathy the snobby neighbor) and excellent stories (Jackie does community theater; Roseanne hurts her back and her mother spoils the kids; Roseanne considers breast reduction) and you have a wonderful run of episodes. Unfortunately, this started to fall apart during the fifth season – some of the better writers started leaving, and Becky ran off with Mark, leaving Darlene lost without her sparring partner. Worse, the character of Roseanne Conner herself began to change – always sarcastic, Roseanne at first had a warm, even selfless side (catch the episode where she backs down to neighbor Kathy because it means DJ will have a friend). You can see that she’d be fun to have a few beers with. Starting with the fifth season, though, and continuing to the end of the series, Roseanne became an increasingly shrill, callous, self-important bitch who was downright nasty to her family and friends at times. Maybe this reflected the real Roseanne Barr, who knows? The writing also declined – it seemed that the writers were more concerned with being controversial (Roseanne kisses Mariel Hemingway; Bev is gay; DJ masturbates) than being funny. The cast changed, too – Bonnie disappeared, and ditzy best friend Crystal was eased out in favor of the grotesque Sandra Berhardt as Nancy. Worse, the genuinely underrated Goranson, as the bright, eager-to-succeed Becky, was replaced by miscast Sarah Chalke, whose Becky became an airhead who lived in a trailer and waited tables. Suddenly, Darlene was making jokes about the intelligence of the former straight-A student Becky – what was that about? Gilbert’s Darlene became awfully one note – how she got all the accolades, with her poker-faced, Tina Yothers-esque performances, while Goranson got none, is beyond me. I won’t even discuss the final season or series finale – that whole year is a train wreck. If only they could have kept up the quality of years three and four for a few more seasons, “Roseanne” would stand as one of the top sitcoms of all time.
    I think "Roseanne" jumped the shark at about the time Darlene started dressing gothic and moping around the house, sopping wet with sarcasm I'm not sure if that was the third or fourth season. The show started out alright. I think it was a good depiction of a family that wasn't upper-middle class, that lived in a non-descript little town, where people are blue-collar and down-to-earth. It just went out of control in about '91. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it seemed as though the writers or Roseanne or whoever started making fun of the working class instead of making fun of the working class lifestyle. Both daughters got snotty and shacked up with their boyfriends. I understood how Becky's character could end up that way, but Darlene was always presented as the more strong-willed, sharp one. It seemed wrong that Sara Gilbert would be forced to shove so much sarcasm into each and every sentence I mean, come on. I saw the Larry King interview with the cast. She seemed like a nice person. You'd think they would have made her character less annoying and abrasive because she didn't deliver it well. It always sounded forced. Plus, I thought Dan and Roseanne lost some of their working class charm when it became apparent that their kids were so spoiled. Dan should have kicked Mark's ass, that's what my dad would have done. That's what any self-respecting, hard-working man would have done to the obvious delinquent that was Mark. Mark's character got unrealistic, too. He started out as a believable delinquent and turned into a harmless dummy. The realism that made it funny just disappeared after awhile. Sure, the final season was goofy, but the show jumped a few years earlier.
    Most people say that "Roseanne" jumped the shark when the Connors won the lottery. But I feel that "Roseanne" became a sucky show long before that. The last truly great episode of the show was in Season 5; beginning with Season 6, Roseanne had gotten that awful plastic surgery, which left her looking like a melting wax figure; Sarah Chalke (who quickly proved herself as the worst actress ever) was introduced as Becky; Jackie got herself knocked up and eventually gets married (and later, divorced); Darlene goes to college, taking away what could have been a bright spot in an otherwise-dismal show; and on and on and on. Dan, Roseanne, and all the rest of them just became caricatures of themselves. The early seasons of this show are what make it one of my Top Ten favorite sitcoms ever, but I can't even sit through anything past Season 5.
    When they bought "The Lunch Box". Seemed like Roseanne went from convincingly being "Roseanne", to obviously pretending. It turned into a ho-hum sitcom. I did love the ending. I felt like it tied all of those not-so-great shows together, telling why the last season was so unbelievably unbelievable. It was her fantasy to get her through Dan's death.
    To be honest, the show made a gradual leap towards the Shark and in the series finale the show actually turned around and jumped BACK OVER the shark. It began when several things happened but didn't actually leap over it entirely until Roseanne hit the lottery. Then the last shred of whatever Roseanne stood for, a blue collar family with real problems and a lot of humor, was suddenly and completely lost. Towards the end of the series gradual declines in the series were evident, but the moments that lead towards the jumping were, notably, Becky being replaced (though her new actress was likable, but without any real endurance to the fans of the show), Becky getting married, Darlene hitting puberty, Darlene going to college, Darlene getting PREGNANT, DAN leaving, Dan 'cheating' on Roseanne, the increasing shrillness and insanity of Jacky, all of these on any other show were potential shark jumpers but somehow Roseanne still had that last little remnants of its original appeal, that were finally and completley lost when the Connors won the lottery. It was then any hope of the old Roseanne coming back or at least what made it good coming back dissappeared entirely.
    I have to say the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. It just didn't seem to be the funny laugh out loud show anymore. I also hated it when they told me Darlene really married Mark and Becky married David. Darlene and David were my (and still are) my favorite characters and i can't picture them with other people. Its still my favorite show and I love watching the reruns on Nick@Nite and WB, but most of the last season was totally out of line and it should have ended after the eighth season.
    The BIG jump occurred with the start of the last season (winning the lottery and all of the far-fetched, poorly-written and badly acted episodes that followed.), but the show took a good-sized shark jump when the Conners and their next-door neighbors go to California to appear on "The Jackie Thomas Show". A feeble attempt, on Roseanne's part,to save her real-life husband's failing series!!On the plus side with this show,my favorite episode was the Thanksgiving Pageant.I also loved the Lanford Days one,where another "true-to-life" pageant was performed (starring,as in the Thanksgiving episode,D.J.)and Loretta Lynn sings with Roseanne AND eats a loose-meat sandwich.My other comments on the series?Jackie and Dan were great,Darlene was the most interesting character,and the original Becky had more personality and dimension than her Canadian-accented "replacement".
    This show jumped after the third seasons. IT just got more and more ridiculous with Crystal marrying Dan's father and having his kid. Then they just sort of disapper off the show. The show was unwatchable during the last couple of seasons. Roseanne became a witch and all the other cast members had to do what she wanted. But seasons 1, 2, and 3 were awesome.
    The great thing about Roseanne was that it addressed normal, everyday, blue-collar, middle class family life. When they hit the jackpot, the show lost its soul. And Jackie, who'd been hilarious the entire run of the show, suddenly became very... unfunny. Like a female Don Knotts. What was up with that cop-out of a series finale? I hate it when shows do that. I love the show so much, it just sucked that they chose to end it that way.
    this show JTS when Roseanne got plastic surgery and actually thought she looked good. you could tell that she had a lot more confidence and she became totally unrelatable. Darlene became depressed and could barely open her mouth when she talked and Jackie went from being real to cartoonish which was extremely unfunny.
    It irrevocably jumped in the final season, which was nothing more than Roseanne's self-indulgence of her obsession with the Brit show Absolutely Fabulous. So we find out at the end that it was all a fantasy and they didn't really win- as if that makes it all okay, like, see it still is a show about a working class family. Well, then, what the heck was the point of the entire last season beyond Roseanne's vanity? And revealing that Dan had died was a lousy thing to do to the loyal viewers who had managed to stick around through all that dreck.
    The show was at its peak in Season 4. Season 5 was still good but that is when Roseanne's appearance starts to change and includes more of her serious personal issues. Still, it had the two sisters moving in next door and Darlene trying to get out of Lanford to go to art school. Season 6 returned with an even angrier Roseanne with black hair and heavy tan makeup and a goodbye to Darlene as she goes to college. It definitely had a cartoonish element at this point. Oh, and for those of you saying Jackie turned into a female Don Knotts, Roseanne actually says in the Season 4 DVD that it was a deliberate thing they did that season to make Jackie funnier- they wanted Jackie to be a female Barney Fife. Laurie Metcalfe even met Don Knotts to try and capture his character. Season 4 is actually Jackie hitting her stride- she sleeps with Arnie and becomes a trucker. Also, it is in this season that Darlene becomes depressed and Becky and Mark get serious.
    the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. Roseanne was all about the middle class, dysfunctional family, a family every family could relate to. if the show had never changed beckys and if they never won the lottery, the show would be the best show that ever air'd on television, giving any show to ever appear after it a run for their $$. And by the way...to the person who commented on becky's prom dress and dan's shoes, it was 80 dollars not 60.
    The most realistic portrayal of a working lower middle class American family and at its peak one of the best family sitcoms of all time. The characters were easily relatable- Roseanne and Dan worked long hours at odd jobs, had trouble paying the bills, and struggled to lose weight. They fought a lot, usually out of frustration and the show even alluded to Roseanne feeling regret over choosing a life with Dan over her dreams of being a writer- stuff not usually touched upon in a sitcom. But through it all, Roseanne loved and had a deep sense of pride in her family. The kids were the most realistic kids on tv. Darlene was the epitome of a typical gen-x 90s teenager. Thats why this show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. Its audience could not relate to it anymore and the characters became unrecognizable.
    The general feeling is that Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery. But I think it jumped a little earlier than that. The struggling middle class family worked good for a while, but I think the writers were struggling for new story ideas to keep it's base audience. So they started turning to "shock value." For me, the one episode that absolutely killed my interest in that show forever was when DJ's school called Roseanne and Dan and said they caught him masturbating. That was just a horrible idea for a show. Whoever came up with that idea should have been fired. The entire episode was about DJ getting caught and then Dan giving his "birds and the bees" talk to DJ. I guess they were trying to show DJ's introduction to puberty, but there has to be better a way to do it than that.
    Show started going downhill when Jackie got pregnant and when Roseanne got pregnant the next year. That's when the show officially jumped the shark. However, I guess it didn't take because it BIG TIME JUMPED THE SHARK when Dan had his heart attack and they won the lottery. The show was SUPPOSED to be about middle-class white-trash folks. What happened?
    Roseanne was originally an entertaining sitcom about blue collar folks trying to eke out a living in fictional Lanford, Illinois. For me, the arrival of Sarah Chalke as the second Becky was when the show jumped the shark. Here in Canada, the news media made a big deal of how a homegrown actress was joining the hit TV show Roseanne, but I wasn't impressed. Sarah Chalke could not hold a candle to Lecy Goransen when it came to playing Becky. And why was it that when Sarah started playing Becky, the character of Becky suddenly turned from a bright overachiever into a ditsy dimwitted broad, who was now dumber than D-student Darlene? Didn't make any sense. However, let's not assign all the shark-jumping blame to Sarah Chalke. Yeah, she sucked, but she was merely the beginning in a long line of pitfalls that this show fell into. Roseanne became a pure and totally malevolent BITCH(!), likeable and insecure Crystal and don't-step-on-me Bonnie were shunted aside in favour of that annoying Sandra Bernhard, seemingly everybody took after the gay lifestyle (yeah, right, among blue collar folks - furtive humps in the sack, maybe, but out of the closet **** and dykes - NOT!), the plotline sucked, and there were too many famous guest star appearances (from soap actors to the remaining Gilligan's Island cast). I even heard that Jackie came out as a lesbian! Jackie declaring she's a dyke is like k.d. lang announcing that she's heterosexual - there's no way it's possible. Apparently Dan had an affair towards the end of the show. I wondered what the hell took him so long to chase after some decent broad. True, the lottery idea was crap, but the show was in the toilet long before Roseanne picked the winning numbers.
    I thought Roseanne was excellent the first few years. A very funny show. then it just got bombarded with all these social issues (domestic abuse, homosexuality, teenage sexuality, and teenage pregnancy to name a few) ..Jackie (who was quite normal the first few seasons) became a neurotic mess. The last season was completely laughable (and not in a positive way). Them winning the lottery was just so... far fetched. And Dan's affair was completely out of his character. And then the final episode tried to explain the last season as something Roseanne conjured up in her mind? It only left me bitterly disappointed and wishing they would have ended the series gracefully a couple years back instead of dragging things out. It's a shame that an enjoyable and funny show morphed into a social commentary
    Roseanne Jumped The Shark in the last season, the ridiculous lottery season and even the series finale was stupid, what the hell was that? But even before the infamous lottery season, the show had it's JTS moments. I agree that all the supporting characters (David the wuss, Mark the dumbass, Nancy the lesbian,Leon the gay guy, his lover scott the gay guy...you get the idea)were terrible. I couldn't stand David, even though he was the only likeable and normal person out of a bunch of lunatics, I have no idea what Darlene saw in that wuss let alone why she married him. (I heard Sara Gilbert who played Darlene wanted her character to come out of the closet since she was gay in real life, but the producers said no...WTF??? everyone else was gay on that show, I think if the show had been on any longer DJ would have come out) And I agree that Tom Arnold made the show better *gasp* who knew? I love the Halloween,Thanksgiving and Christmas eps except for the stupid and pointless Halloween episode where Roseanne gives birth to Jerry Garcia(WTF was that about????) and the Thanksgiving ep where the family invites some Native Americans over for dinner. I thought the message was good, but it just seemed that Roseanne was trying too hard to make a statement. I also agree that it was stupid to make Darlene pregnant. Other than the obvious that these are the last people who should be breeding, why is it that they are trying to make her like her mother??? okay, so in closing I agree with everyone that the last season was the JTS moment, it's a shame because it was such a good show. Thanks.
    I really think it didn't, but if i had to pick anything, i will say that when they had the final episode reveal that Dan was dead and Darlene and Becky were actually married to each others husbands. While i will say that if Dan had died, this was a brilliant way to explain it, i just selfishly wanted Dan to live (just like i didnt like when LHOTP had Albert die,i dont like it!) But i liked the original way of Becky being married to Mark, and Darlene with David. I felt sorry for David, Darlene was WAY too mean to him, but lets remember, Becky started out being straight A student, but then became annoying! Yelled too much, etc. I loved Darlene's way of acting to Roseanne the same way Roseanne acted. It wasn't until Sarah Chalke came to be Becky that she got sweet. SO, in that realm, yeah, her and David, but they say opposites attract, so the should have left that alone. No it is in NO WAY the same as DALLAS. It WAS a dream on Dallas, it was a FANTASY on Roseanne, BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. (however, we the viewers werent STUPID enough to buy the dream of Pam's...we were desperate enough, we were like, "wait, we got Bobby back, yeah, okay, i'll go along with the silly dream reason, as long as Bobby's back!). Now, for those who think the lottery plot would be stupid if it REALLY had happened to Dan and Roseanne because they were typical ave. family...well yeah, BUT i looked at it at the time as a fantasy. I am an average family person, but i fantasize about winning the lottery. Early on in the Roseanne show, there was an article in TV Guide that said Roseanne et al had thought of doing an episode in which they won the lottery and had to endure people treating them differently while they wanted to remain average, or eating in snooty restaurants with the same table manners as always and having people look down their noses but not say anything becuase they had money. It didn't happen that season (it was maybe season 2 or 3 they said that) so when they showed the episode in which Roseanne and Jackie were discussing how they picked those numbers...i went "OMG they are going to use that theme now" and they pretty much did. I totally didn't mind it because i thought it was great that an ave family might win and lived vicariously through the connors. Sure it was silly that they'd keep that house, my youngest daughter said she'd want to live in our house even if we won the lottery, of course she can if she wants to when she grows up, i'll keep it for her but I am gonna build my fantasy home, and give to charity, tithe etc. So, watching that let us sort of really feel that we won, and see what life would do. So that was fine. Having the 2 Becky's...Hilarious! "I like the second Darren better" said the second Becky on her first episode, while Roseanne was claiming how laim it was when they switched Darren's. Or the "where the hell have u been" to the original Becky upon her first episode return. Then when the second becky took her kids trick or treating to Roseanne's house and commented on what a nice family they seemed to be and she wished she lived there. So funny! Going to disney land.... "yes becky, you and mark can come, you better be glad your here THIS week" Genius! I love a show that will make fun of things like that. (they're Beckies...identical beckies and youll find....when beccccckkkkies, are two of a kind. with the take off on the patty duke show!)all shows have errors or silly moments. None are exempt, i guess i just have a different outlook. TV shows should be as much like life that it captures us and we can identify on some level, but...then they should take that and entertain us with it. I was entertained by Roseanne because she was rich, but still kinda tacky and didn't want to change that much, she made snobby friends, and still managed to make fun of them. Many shows do this, we know things like that don't happen, and i'll say it again, would we really watch absolute reality...i mean, even the reality shows arent reality really. because if Joe Millionaire had ended up with a slutty girl instead of poor zora (which sadly we know was only a cinderella story and they werent in love) then, would we have watched, or enjoyed that ending? If Roseanne ended when dan died and we watched her go thru depression, would we have watched? If Claire Huxtable died or divorced Ciff (COS) Huxtable, would we have said "oh good, many doctor/lawyer couples divorce and fight over the house, kudos that they are keeping it just like real life???no, we'd have stopped watching. If Kramer had been a racist in the middle of Seinfeld like he did in real life, would we have watched? no. So the point is, no sitcom is that serious, enjoy a fantasy once in a while on a show. Don't intend that sitcoms are supposed to be real life. just enjoy them for the entertainment they are. and note to producers/writers...it gets worse when u stick too close to real life in a comedy, becomes to serious.
    I would say the moment Roseanne really started going downhill was the episode where she kisses Mariel Hemingway. That is a desperate cry for ratings and everything the show did after that show seemed to get stupider and stupider, capped by the Conners winning the lottery, which seemed to be an admission that they had nothing new to say!
    When Becky eloped it jumped the shark in the sense that it was the best thing to ever happen on the show, and it was never the same afterward. You gotta hand it to Roseanne to do something with the plot like that. Out of nowhere the daughter that's going to "make up" goes crazy over a guy and elopes. Watching it really felt like a real life event - hitting you out of nowhere and not being able to do anything about it. And then they stayed married. After that, the show had its great moments, but that could never be topped. Bringing in the new actress to play Becky just didn't work because you didn't feel the same "weirdness" there would have been seeing the brain we'd known for several seasons returning home as a teen bride. It blunted it too much and it all coincided with Roseanne getting more and more outer limits in her personal life and bringing weird off-topic things into the show with characters like all the Martin Mull/Sandra Bernhard/Morgan Fairchild/Arnie stuff.
    Roseanne was great until Lecy Goranson went off to college. On the show, she eloped with Mark. She was replaced by Sarah Chalke of all people. Bad idea. I won't be too crude since she left the show to pursue an education. However, they could have gotten some other blonde to play Becky's part without bringing the show down 100 notches. To make matters worse, they brought back the first Beck for like three episodes in one of the later episodes. That was worse because when Sarah Chalke came back, it dropped another 100 notches again. Plus, Lecy Goranson's teen Becky outbursts were the best part of the show. Also, I think they should have kept the Ziggy character going after the third season. That may have helped them have at least 6 more good episodes.
    The final season of this show was the most tragic demise of a once terrific show in the history of television. still get angry just thinking about it. What a let-down!

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For a while the show was a realistic representation of Midwest blue collar life, with financial struggles and daughters repeating their parents' same mistakes but it more than likely really went off the rails when Roseanne and Dan tried getting pregnant again. Let's be brutally frank, no working class couple around age 40, with a history of financial struggles, and kids who are mostly grown in their right minds would try to have another baby.
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    THE ENTIRE LAST SEASON. WHICH UNLIKE NEWHART DID NOT SET UP A JUMP BACK.
    The minute they cast Roseanne
    When, after setting up a wonderful crisis where the Conners were out of money and the electricity was being shut off, and Becky had just run off with Mark, they suddenly solved everything by having Roseanne's mom help them buy the loose meat place. Bringing back that ridiculous fake Becky made it unwatchable, but the loose meat place was the first death knell.
    This show jumped when Roseanne and Tom Arnold split up. As talentless as Tom seems, there was something about their combo that grounded Roseanne and their collaboration brought some of the funniest episodes on the show. When they broke up and Tom was not allowed near the set any longer, Roseanne's ego went even farther amok and the stories gradually became less and less funny, and more and more unreal.
    It all started with the Halloween episode... Roseanne got to write whatever the hell she wanted, and she did! You'll notice that in the final episodes, the ones with Dan in them are like regular episodes (i.e. "good"), but when Dan's not around, Roseanne is fighting terrorists on a train.
    I used to love and watch this show religiously - but why did everyone become gay? How believeable is it that Landford suddenly became this gay haven? I just stopped watching when I could no longer logically follow any of the storylines - Darlene became just a bitch, the "smart" becky started working at "Hooters" or whatever and putting up what's his name, and then Jackie stopped sleeping around and doing her laundry at the Conner's and for the love of God - bought a HOUSE!? and started getting old, and then finally Roseanne getting rich and splitting up with Dan . . . I tried to hang, but it just became too much - no one could identify with any of the characters, and they weren't people you wished you were, so why watch?
    Roseanne definitely jumped when they won the lottery the whole point the whole point of the show was that they were an "average" suburban family after the lottery roseanne is in that photo shoot in the tub o' money Dan leaves etc etc it turns into a soap opera.
    Frequently brilliant, if choppy. The whole thing went to pot with the lottery storyline and the nonsense which followed. Really a pretty sad ending to a respectable body of work.
    The day the Fake Becky set foot on the set.
    Roseanne has got to be one of the most disgusting women in the history of television. Her voice is more irritating than Fran Drescher's and I never found her amusing. She gives trailer trash a bad name.
    This show started out pretty mediocre, got really good around the time Roseanne started working at the diner and Dan opened up the bike shop and then somewhere around the last couple of years just got pathetic. You'd watch every week hoping THIS episode would be a good one but you were just about always disappointed. When the show was good it was great which made those last few years seem all the worse in comparison. I do think special mention should go to Laurie Metcalf (Jackie). She was just wonderful. Go back and watch the episode where she's in Cyrano De Bergerac and you'll see the consumate comedienne. I wonder what she's doing nowadays?
    After Roseanne got pregnant, won the lottery, and her mom came out of the closet!!!
    It does every show. There are always new and hilarious things happening every single show.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery. The show really got stupid after that.
    When Darlene got married, and the humor was no longer focused on the family, the shark jumped! Because we didn't care about Darlene's new husband, he was not funny!
    The show jumped the shark when they won the lottery because the plot was half way gone and it wasnt fun anymore especially when they went to disney world.
    When they won the lottery and their lifestyle changed. They were funny as a white trashy family trying to cope with the daily challenges and making it funny. They weren't fit to win. They didn't look good winning. It was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
    When suddenly everyone, even DARLENE was having a baby. PLEASE! the show just lost that sharp, cutting edge of reality-based humor.
    Show was terrible from Day One mainly because of Roseannes attitude both on and off the show. Cna't believe it lasted one season let alone eight. No accounting for some peoples taste.
    The network that showed ROSEANNE nust have been terribly desperate to allow such a low class person to have her own show. I got a kick out of the way they tried to put in a dramatic monologue here and there to make it look like she actually gave a s*** about her family!! Roseanne was without a doubt the WORST TV mother I have ever seen!!!!! She did nothing to support her children and set terrible examples for them as well. Her father dies and she goes to a bar and gets drunk out of her mind. Her daughter needed a prom dress and "Rosie" couldn't afford the $60 price tag, but she could afford to let Dan buy a $60 pair of shoes. Then there's the time when she dressed like a guy and got kissed in a gay bar. Well, what do you expect? She had no straight friends! Even her boss was gay! Oh, and I LOVED the way she stole all those supplies from the restaurant she worked at. Great example to set for your kids! Dan was the good one. And as far as him leaving her? ! Hey, if I had a wife like that, I'd do the same thing!!
    At first you think the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery, but if you think back, it was when baby Jerry was born on that Horrific Halloween Episode. Usually everyone looked forward to the Halloween Episodes. In that season there were only a few keepers. Then the lottery and dreadful last season came when the show truly became sad. Like another person who wrote this, I kept watching hoping this show would be the one where things got back on track. Unfortunately they never did.
    I really think having 2 Becky's was a brilliant idea. It shows that the show didn't take itself too seriously. The parody of The Patty Duke Show opening was brilliant - one of the funniest things on tv in years.
    This show jumped when Roseanne and Dan decided to try to have a fourth child. People at their age with limited income do not plan another pregnancy when most of their children are grown. Up until that time I thought Roseanne was one of the most realistic examples of typical family life. Oh, and to that person who thought Roseanne was a bad example to her kids, go back and watch Leave it to Beaver. Roseanne was certainly not the best mother but she was probably closer to the truth than many shows.
    How pathetic can a show get? The writers realize they screwed up so the Lottery season was a dream. How original.
    When they brought in new cast members and devoted huge chunks of screen time to them. The new cast was just awful, especially the mother (shrill and grating), Darlene's boyfriend (zzzzz) and Becky's boyfriend (insipid). Roseanne needed better foils.
    Roseanne has never been funny, just a big ball of self-promotion, who began to use the show to get what she couldn't always get in life, respect. Darlene & Dan were always the best parts of the show, sadly marginalized by her...Pfah on Roseanne!
    It seems like everyone suddenly becomes gay (Roseannes mom, Roseanne, Roseannes sister) in this show. Also, that was the basis of the shows jokes for a long time. I love this show, but the last season sucked.
    In the 1980's, the mecca of shark jumping was Hawaii (and to a lesser extent, the Carribean). Whenever sitcom writers ran out of ideas for plots, they would stick the main characters on a plane and send them off on a vacation to the islands. I believe either the Brady Bunch or I Dream of Jeannie started the craze, and the plotline has been driven into the ground ever since. Mama's Family, Growing Pains, the Jeffersons, Martin, Happy Days (duh), Full House (although this show was jumped from the start) and others have suffered greatly as a result of their visits to the tropic shores, because it was proof that the writers had run out of things for them to do. Then, in the early 90's, Walt Disney World became the heir apparent to the shark jumping crown, with Full House (them again?), Roseanne, Family Matters and many more to come, I'm afraid. Of course, with the rate Disney is buying up networks, don't be surprised if EVERY show winds up being based from some part of the! Disney Empire. Can you imagine the cast of NYPD Blue patrolling Main Street, USA? Scary....
    This is my favorite show of all time, but when the new Becky came, that was ridiculous! I love the beginning before the real Becky left. But I also like the last season when she returned. Is there anywhere where I could purchase a set of all the shows?
    When the original Becky came back. Neither could act their way out of a paper bag, but the second Becky was much better looking. The first Becky never looked older than about 12. The one bright moment about bringing her back was everyone asking "Where the Hell have you been?"
    The lottery episode is when it went downhill. Who would have thought that white trash would suddenly "clean up" after winning the lottery. I liked the show because of the realism of the characters. It just got stupid. And what kind of ending was that, anyway?
    As Someone posted before - The Birth of Jerry was absolutely ridiculous and a poor excuse for a television show! But the thing that really gets me is that up until that episode Roseanne's baby was supposed to be a girl! Why the change when there was absolutely NO REASON except to have Roseanne's Real Baby featured on the show! Pathetic.
    When becky had a new actress...
    Roseanne was the only depiction of a struggling working class family that america could tolerate. American economic philosophy is based on puritanism; if you work you get God loves you and you will be rewarded, (even though millions of americans work very hard and still get only 2 weeks holiday a year), and so they won the lottery. Ridiculous and it alienated millions who don't win the lottery. It was a wonderful show until Rosanne thought that everyone in america could be a Winner cause she was. Not so. Winners rely upon losers.
    This is by far the saddest case on this entire site. What was once one of the greatest shows ever takes one of the most pathetic jumps in TV history. And then they catch an unbelievable updraft! The saddest part is that they had the opportunity to end the show somewhat respectably, but greed got the best of them and they hung on for one more atrocious, slapdash season. The episode where Dan has a heart attack at Darlene's wedding was supposed to be the series finale. We were supposed to be left to wonder if Dan died or not. Even if they had them finding the winning lottery ticket for the last episode and left it at that, it would have been an acceptable finale. Fact is, with most of the kids grown up, there was really nowhere else for the show to go. That last season was strictly for the money. I think the baby was made a boy because originally, he was going to be born at a Grateful Dead concert, but then Jerry Garcia died. They changed the baby to a boy named Jerry as a tribute. I think. I like the fake Becky. She was the only redeeming factor in many episodes. What was going on in the final episode? I didn't quite get that ending. All of the sudden the girls have switched husbands and Roseanne says something insinuating that the whole series run was some book she wrote(?) Can anyone elaborate?
    You could hear the jaws of the shark snap shut in the silence of the Last Supper. Jackie takes Roseanne's advice to make Fred a romantic dinner to spark their relationship. It's a failure. Fred and Jackie have nothing to say. Jackie says she thinks it's over. Fred agrees and says he'll pack after dinner. This marked the death of the show. After this, Darlene and David reunite, Roseanne and Dan imagine being on Gilligan's Island and bust a bar mitzvah, the new restaurant opens across the street, the first Becky returns, etc. The aforementioned episode is the starting point.
    In the first season, Roseanne was at the top of the ratings for good reason. Then when her psychiatric hospitalization as a teenager was revealed, her career, and the show went downhill. It became too soapy, although there WERE a few good episodes occasionally.
    I KNOW I SOUND as queer as the characters, but I loved this show. I really thought it was hysterical when the first Becky came back, and the family was like "where the hell have you been? it seems like we haven't seen you in years!" That was hysterical, yet I haven't seen the lottery one- but it actually sounds pretty stupid. Plus what was up with all the gayiety and babies? (i.e. fat little Jerry Garcia) WHO NAMES THEIR KID GERRY GARCIA?!?!?
    This show jumped the shark the moment they knocked up Darlene. It was such a betrayal. Sara Gilbert's portrayal of Darlene was possibly one of the best ever of a teen girl. She was hysterical and in complete control of her relationship with David. She was the Conner who was going to make it out of Lanford. I just couldn't stomach Darlene being trapped in Lanford and not continuing with art school. By the way, finding out that Darlene was actually with Mark was just too much to take. Darlene would never tolerate Mark's stupidity.
    Fat sarcastic ugly people are not funny. Its sad.
    Just because a show sometimes is very funny, and other times deals with serious life experiences, doesn't mean it jumped. In response to the person who didn't quite get the final episode... Here's the thing. Sometimes when life deals you a crappy hand, you wish you could re-write it. You see, Dan did die on Darlene's wedding day. There's the crappy hand. Remember the episodes after, when Dan was cheating on Roseanne with his mom's health care worker? Roseanne felt cheated on when he died. She decided to be angry at Dan because he cheated on her, rather than deal with the reality that she felt cheated because he was dead. They never really won the lottery. Roseanne was fantasizing in her mind to avoid the dark reality that she was a widow. In the final episode where everything returns to normal (ie old couch and blanket) It shows us that nothing really changed. You can dream and write in a book, but it doesn't change reality. The stuff between Dan's death and the final episode was something of a voyage of self discovery, (or denial) for the Roseanne character. Every show has to end sometimes, and when it does, there will always be someone to scream, "That ending SUCKED!", glad it is gone; when truth be told, that person loved the show and was sad to see it go, and to proud to admit it. Sour grapes indeed!
    When they won the lottery and Dan left to take care of his mother and fell in love with her nurse... after that the show was one stupid fantasy episode after another... then you find out that Dan DIED from his heart attack! John Goodman was the best thing about that show - it BLEW when he became a recurring character!
    "Roseanne" started to markedly decline around the time the new Becky came in, though it had nothing really to do with her. The last season was TERRIBLE and ruined what was otherwise the best, most realistic
    the new becky stunk and also when the conners won the lottery.
    This was a brilliant show. Definitely one of my all time favorites. The new Becky would have been a problem except that they did a great job of using it for comedy.
    When Darlene got pregnant. I thought it was bad enough when Becky moved to the trailer park, but Darlene's pregnancy with that curly-haired leech was disturbing.
    Series Finale -- the show jumped the shark when it is revealed that not only was the final season (the one with lottery win & lyrics to the normally instrumental theme song) was a FANTASY (taking the "Bobby Ewing is NOT dead"-type of 80's crapped-out writer's backed into corner scenario even further) They did not really win the lottery--Roseanne Connors appears back on the stinky plaid couch telling us via long-winded feminist speech narration that she was really a widow now and says she had been writing for therapy- (being a writer was the long held dream of her character's since high school) She tells us that DAN died around the time Darlene was indeed married...but wait-- in "REAL LIFE" Darlene married MARK-the idiot she could boss around; and smart BECKY married David the sensitive sweet one. And in REAL LIFE her sister JACKIE was gay--and not a neurotic klutz with "man" issues... We are told by "Roseanne Connor" that all the family stories (we watched the previous 8 seasons) were actually variations on the reality of her "REAL" blue collar life. Therefore-the viewer never knew the "REAL" Roseanne-the character and Roseanne-the Star was pretty much SPITTING in the faces of the fans who loved those old shows and characters and made her RICH! What a crock of artsy fartsy surrealistic ****. She could've made the FINAL "lottery" season a fantasy --but then telling us the dynamics of the family were A FANTASY too???!! Here's a better idea...."ROSEANNE - the sitcom" fans will PRETEND the FINAL silly EPISODE NEVER AIRED and that the characters in later shows became cartoons because the actors got tired & greedy & stayed for the money and not the integrity of the show. Notice how after the show became a top ten hit and the cast got rich--RoseAnne felt more comfortable referring to herself and her tv family as white trash, Blue Collar & poor people liked The Connors and made it #1.... Suddenly RoseAnne is calling her family white trash--so I guess the people who identified were TRASH too ??
    roseanne jumped the shark as soon as she started dieting and getting cosmetic surgery, the show from then on went painfully downhill. I may be crazy but I thought tom arnold was pretty funny. Does anyone else?
    To me the show started to jump the shark when Roseanne and Sara Gilbert (Darlene) had nose jobs. The show started to lose it's white trash charm it just became like every other Hollywood show Roseanne got fake. But the show really got bad when Fred (Jackie's Boyfriend) joined the cast he was a bore and Roseanne became more of an ogre. When Jackie married Fred I had enough of the show never to watch my favorite show again until the series finale which was a bad end to a show that had started off good.
    This is how it works, folks-- This show was absolutely terrific! It was funny because the main characters WERE sarcastic and crude. If you have a problem with it, go watch the Disney channel or worse yet, go watch "Full House". Personally I'd like to see the Olsen twins star in a very special episode in which the Conners feast on those two insipid brats for dinner! I loved Roseanne. Yes, she did decide to keep it going longer than our nostalgic memories would like, and she tripped out and lost it the last few seasons. But I will always respect her because she did what she wanted to do, she did it her way. You may not like the fact that she basically told her viewers to get BENT, but you have to respect the woman for being on and getting the ratings as long as she did. I love you Roseanne!
    Say all you want about the entire cast coming out of the closet, or the fifteen different actresses who played Becky during any given season...what killed this show was the ridiculous lottery storyline during the woeful final season. Sure, much has been made about taking the Connors "out of their element" and making them rich...but if this situation were handled better, it might have actually been a good season. Instead, we were treated to ridiculous visits to spas, a horrible Jerry Springer episode, pointless cameos (James Brolin? JIM VARNEY?) and completely unrealistic storytelling. I find it difficult to believe that the Connors would have lived in that same house in Lanford, Illinois if they had all that cash. And what the hell was that episode with the terrorists all about? Awful awful awful. The final "it was all a dream" type episode was a cop-out. I truly think that the final season should have dealt directly with Dan's death WITHOUT the lottery...but if the lottery idea had to occur, it could have been written WAY better than it was. A sad and pathetic end to what was once an often brilliant show.
    Am I the only one that has noticed that the character of David was introduced in an earlier episode with the name "Kevin?" Also, why was Laurie Metcalf replaced by Don Knotts during the last two seasons? And what the hell was with the god-awful vocal version of the theme song during the final season (by none other than Blues Traveller?) As if that last year wasn't bad enough....
    When they did that lottery crap, that was stupid. Darlene got pregnant and that was dumb too. So was roseanne's new baby. I loved that show, I grew up watching it, being a little under Darlene's age, and it turned to ****!
    it became so unrealistic and lost the working family feel that made it so popular in the first place. also when Becky changed and then changed back and the baby.
    Many people wrote that Roseanne jumped the shark when the Connors won the lottery. That would have done it in if it hadn't already jumped when the new Becky showed up. They did handle it in a clever way, but it was the beginning of the end just the same. Others said that it was when everyone turned gay, loose meat or the new baby. I agree with all of these. If a show can jump the shark more than once, Roseanne is an all time record holder.
    When that horrible actress replaces Becky. You could tell it was all going to hell after that one.
    Here's the bottom line. By the time you get to the last season Roseanne had taken over the show. She was completely in charge like she had never been before. She f'ed the show single handedly. Then she had the nerve to take credit for the good years and pretend like the last season never happened by saying that it was all stories from her book. What a bull**** artist.
    First off, I agree that Jackie's slow slip into lesbianism was the beginning of the end, but there are worse continuity errors. You undoubtedly knew that Roseanne Arnold had some mental problems with her fame and this shows now more than ever with her talk show. It seemed she could never settle on how Dan and Roseanne's early years were actually spent. Was Dan a strapping football player, or a fat, violent biker? Were they hippies? Were they skinny? Did they grow up on country, or rock and roll? How did they afford a three bedroom house, with three kids on what was obviously less than $30,000 a year? It seemed that the most glaring problem was the birth of their fourth child, Jerry Gracia Connor. Up until this, they had made constant (and tired) references to their old biker days (which, by the way, they always seem to fit into their old gear, despite the fact they are both grossly overweight). The biker concept was very far-fetched, as this, too, was developed late into the series. You couldn't have fit their two giant asses on a bike and expected it to actually move. Then, just as Roseanne's face changed, so, too, did the family history. Suddenly, they were Grateful Dead fans! They were peace-lovin' hippies, not Hell's Angels! In the 60's, there were bikers, and there were hippies, but they didn't mix. Constant changes in the cast of character and friends, with cameos by David Crosby and the sort, made their life confusing. Suddenly, Roseanne's friends are all gay or lesbian, then there's that lousy attempt to tap into the AbFab fame, which failed miserably. Also, there's little chance in hell that Darlene would've been straight, as Jackie and Dan predominantly raised her through her life. If anyone should have turned out to be a lesbian, it should've been Roseanne.
    Roseanne jumped when she got together with Tom Arnold and had him on there all the time. He's an idiot, and the show just went downhill from there, with or without him.
    "Roseanne" was the best family-based sitcom in TV history. It was hilarious, brash, touching, and brutally honest. Usually all at once. Most of the last season, however, was painful to watch because Roseanne tried to be avant-garde and fell flat on her face. True fans disregard everything after Darlene's wedding and remember the show at its seven-year peak. Kudos to Roseanne herself, John Goodman, Sara Gilbert, and Laurie Metcalf.
    when the family wins the lottery. how absurd was that? they win something like a million dollars and what do they do, they go to ikea, buy new furniture and have the ktchen refurbished. you'd think they might actually move. add on top of that the absense of dan and the "which becky will it be this time" episodes.
    Just finished watching re-runs on the Paramount Channel in the UK. I was never a huge fan of this show first time around, but watching it again I got into it and enjoyed it up to the last episode. Sure, before that there were more than a few episodes which were pointless and extremely silly (the Under Siege II train hijack parody for one) where it was best to just set your brain to auto pilot, but for the show to end with such a ridiculous finale... Words almost escape me, but suffice to say, Roseanne should just have f***ed off and lived on Walton Mountain, which is where the rambling monologue she spouted at the very end belonged. I'm sorry, but to turn round and say that EVERYTHING was fake just makes no sense at all. The bit about Dan dieing after his heart attack I could comprehend, were it not for the rest of the **** it would almost have been a genuinely moving moment. But Becky married David? Darlene married Mark? Jacky was gay? jeez!
    When Roseanne won the lottery. Oh, please!!! The show was based on a typical middle-class family struggling to make ends meet, with both parents working & trying to keep their kids on the right track. But then Roseanne had to win the lottery & change her status. I'm thinking that the show jumped the shark before that!! How about when the Conners let Darlene's boyfriend live with them so he wouldn't have to live with his depressed, abusive mother? How many people would allow a teen at his sexual peak come & live in the same house with their daughter who is probably just as hormone-driven? Not me. I would have called Social Services.
    When Ellen Degenerate guest starred as Fred and Jackie's marriage counselor and of course she played a nervous character babbling out stupid things that are supposed to be funny. Thank god this happened before Ellen came out or it would be filled with you go girl lesbian jokes.
    NEVER! It was and is the best show ever. Roseanne and Dan were very realistic and good parents. It amazes me the people who commented on this show that obviously didn't watch it. Referneces to Dan leaving and the lottery thing being a dream are ridiculous. Dan was visiting his mom in California (okay they kinda split up for a couple of episodes when Dan admitted he considered cheating in Cailfornia) and the lottery season was not supposed to be a dream...The enitre run of the show was supposed to a book Roseanne wrote in the end. Of course the kids grew up and got married...that's what people do. Roseanne and Jackie were REALLY pregnant so it was written in and the show knew it was not continuing when they did the lottery thing...I think it was supposed to be a little over the top because it was the last season...DUH! The off and on appearances of Crystal and the two Beckys were kind of confusing though.
    It never jumped! The final season becomes just as enjoyable as the previous seasons the second time around, once one has viewed the final episode. It all makes perfect sense!
    It started to jump when Becky's character changed, then it majorly sucked after the lottery winning thing. Lottery? Ya right! I used to be able to relate to the show, but it just got too...fantasy-like.
    Just a footnote that goes with "Roseanne" and several other shows. The nineties were the decade of god-awful women's voices on tv. Roseanne's whine was certainly one of the most notable, but let us not forget the inimitable Fran Drescher, whose voice as Fran Fine was like listening to ground glass being scraped on a blackboard. But at least, in her defense, a lot of it was put on, as we saw in the episode where she plays an agent or something like that, using her normal voice, still sounding as if she's from Queens, but not nearly as extreme as Fran the Nan. Roseanne, however, actually talks like that, God help anyone who has to put up with her. Then of course there's Marge Simpson. I've never been able to understand why her voice has to be like that. I've tried to watch "The Simpsons" many times over the years, but the voices always grated on me, especially Marge and Homer. Apparently I missed a lot of episodes of a great show because of that. Then of course there's the great Rosie O'Donnell, the so-called Queen of Nice but actually one of the most disgusting people ever on the tube, even worse than Stern because he at least doesn't pretend to be goody-goody. Queen of Nice. Yes, I guess it is nice to get 2 or 3 babies to adopt just by asking, no problem at all in your case Rosie how soon do you want them? A single parent with a very demanding job gets all these babies when other couples who aren't on tv have to wait years and then they may not even get a child. How nice for the Queen!! But let's not forget her most endearing quality, her lovely voice. Most hog callers sound better than her. And even though her accent is fairly typical of Long Island, she has by far the worst example I ever heard. And one day my wife had O'Donnell's awful show on and the host was actually screaming at the camera. And sentence after sentence no less. This was the worst torure on tv since "Turn On." But by far the worst, although she seems to be a very nice person from the very little I know of her, is that woman who, I think, is on "The Tonight Show" once in a while, at least that's where I think I saw her (just once). She's I guess in her thirties and she has a Drescher-type voice, only about 1000 times worse. I just can't see how anybody could possibly sound like that. Would someone who knows this situation better please post her name and whatever you know about her? Thanks. I'd swear there were more melodious ladies to add to my list, but I can't recall any right now. Anybody got any more?
    I'm sorry, I can't be specific because I don't remember all of the episodes well enough, but there has to be one episode in which the boy, D.J., goes from his young happy-go-lucky Henny Youngman cuteness to the sullen, sulking, moping teenager he became in the show. It seemed like the entire show just got nasty and self-obsessed after that.
    This show was great--the only "family sitcom" that seemed realistic, to an extent. However, Roseanne LEAPED the shark the entire last season. What made this show great was that they were an average family comprised of off the wall characters who you would actually meet in real life. How often does the average family win the lottery? And as I recall it was a LARGE sum of money. I think DJ was one of the most demented characters ever. Geez, do I miss him....
    Roseannes Annoying voice, Roseannes figure, Roseannes sister, Roseannes mother.... I could go on, but I'll give Roseanne some dignity. The show stunk, up until the last and final episode! Cause we all knew that it would come to an end soon! The final season also made us a little flustered.. poor Conners winning the lottery. When in actuallity it was all in Roseanne's head! Does that remind you of sumthin'??? *cough* DALLAS? <<Even tho Im a tad bit young to remember that show!
    First of all, I really liked it when they added lyrics to the music, the last season or two. Secondly, I think them winning the lottery was awesome, it made me happy that they didn't up and move to some 'better' place. That they stayed in the old house, and they didn't change. But the last episode, it upset me sooo much. Why change everything? And why make Dan die? Totally depressing..
    The show lost it's funniness after Roseanne was on for to long. When Roseanne got pregnant the show just got worse and worse--and she named Jerry-after Jerry Garcia because she was having a flashback. Get real!! The show should have been put out of it's misery along time ago.
    First of all, I am so sick of the people out there acting like somehow they were betrayed because of Roseanne's last episode or the new Becky...it's a tv show! I thought that Roseanne was one of the best shows out there for a long time. She acted more like a real mom than 99 percent of the "mother" types on other shows. Not all mothers are cheerful and smiling all the time. Also, for the person who wrote that it was unrealistic to buy Dan a pair of shows instead of "a prom dress" for Becky...watch the show again. First, it wasn't a prom dress..it was a dress for junior high. Also, Roseanne states that Becky has other dresses to wear...and Dan hasn't bought a new pair of shoes in years. I believe that in most households, necessity comes before want. I think people either love Roseanne or they hate her. I happen to love her(atleast on her show), and I always enjoy watch reruns. I'll admit that the later episodes aren't my favorites, but I can still laugh when I watch them. Also, for the person who wrote that Roseanne was pretending to have class when she won the lottery...GET THE JOKE! I don't think she ever meant to say that...I think she was portraying how ridiculous it is for people to pretend just because they have money to begin with. Also, I was never crazy about the new Becky, but I thought it was hilarious how they brought her in(i.e. the Darrin joke at the end of that episode)...funny!
    Jumped on Day One. I hated this show so much. As a Deadhead I was insulted when they sullied the name of Jerry Garcia by including a look-alike on one show. Every copy of every episode of this horrid show should be destroyed!
    This show jumped when Sarah Chalke took over as Becky.
    Towards the last episode, the show was getting ridiculous, but the last episode when you find out that Roseanne was writing all of that stuff and Dan died, that was horrible!!!
    roseanne was a good show until becky changed. everything just got stupid after that.
    I loved all the episodes...The last season was a bit nutty, I agree. But the last episode totally made up for it. I thought it was very creative that after Dan had his heart-attack, the rest of the "shows" were figments of Roseannes writings. I remember when Dan fixed up the basement for her. Ahhh, the memories. I still watch that show every day and I'll continue to do so until they take the repeats off the air for good.
    The whole last season was in her head. HOW PATHETIC IS THAT!?!?!
    I really think that when Rosanne got pregnant with the fourth baby, the show really went downhill. Before, it was really funny watching a blue collar family dealing with their "white trash" problems with a sense of humor. As for the lottery storyline, I think Roseanne KNEW it would be the last season and just decided to go completely nuts and come up with some outrageous stuff that she would have been scared to do before. Roseanne has never acted like she cared what people thought of her (which is one of her charms), so why would she care what people thought of the last season?
    Roseanne was a fairly decent show in the beginning; but then two things happened. First, Jackie became a complete MORON, who was unbearable to watch, and second, everything about the show focused on something blatantly immoral.
    I'm not even going to even touch upon the lottery or the last season, because most of you clowns have already babbled on enough to make Roseanne herself hurl. I liked the lyrics to the song. I thought they fit in well with the show. And sometimes characters get replaced...that's the way it is. The Becky switch was pure comedy-it showed quite obviously that they don't take themselves seriously. "Where have you been? It seems like you've been gone for like three years!" Now that's comedy. A comedy sitcom about a white-trashy family in Illinois. Darlene is one of my all-time favorite characters in television history. She was so incredibly sarcastic and could pull off any joke handed to her. Like spelling 'buckety' when they played scrabble, or being the complete dominatrix in her relationship with David, or when Becky married that flaming imbecile Mark. They had REAL problems, as opposed to how much hairspray DJ Tanner had on her pointed head during her full house days. Bravo, Roseanne.
    Holy **** Roseanne is so f**kin funny. I still watch the reruns every day. That show was mad f**kin cool. Roseanne was SO my mom, and the kids were so f**kin funny, and Dan was the man dude, he was so cool. And with Jackie who was like mad f**kin rad, like she was the world's coolest aunt. But when Roseanne won the lottery it was funny, but not AS funny as before, 'cause now she's rich and ****, and how is she like, the working class bitch anymore? Man I miss that show.
    When Roseanne won the Lottery!! It just wasn't realistic anymore; which gave the show it's charm
    1992-1993 season: Becky became an idiot and Darlene a brilliant writer who goes to college at age 16. Puh-Leaze! Generally, this was the time when Roseanne Arnold got control over the show andf turned it from a clever, slightly over-the-edge comedy into a 22 minute political statement!!!!
    When the Connors won the lottery. This changed everything the show stood for. And the sad thing about it is that it really was a great show for several years before that. After they won the lottery, everything became ridiculous. I wondered if Roseanne (the real Roseanne) was on some kind of bad acid trip the entire last season. The writing was embarrassing from that point on. What the f*uck were they thinking with the train hijacking episode??? That was the stupidest **** I've ever seen on television. Even the pitifully unfunny Full House was funnier than that at its worst. Still, disregarding everything that happened from the lottery episode on, Roseanne goes down as one of my favorite TV comedies of all time. I still watch the reruns over and over again.
    This show did the biggest turnaround in TV history. I didn't mind NotBecky as much as some. For me, the decline started when Darlene got pregnant. But the jump happened, as everyone has noted, with the lottery episode. I can't even go back and watch the early episodes of what used to be my favorite show, it's just so ruined for me now.
    This show jumped the last season. It was still entertaining to watch as amusement but it wasn't the same. I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the funniest scenes in tv history was on this show. Remember the rotten milk episode when they kept returning the milk to the fridge? AT the end of that show Dan went into convulsions after drinking from that milk carton. He knocks stuff over as he struggles to get back to the fridge and puts the milk carton back in it. Then he collapses, sprawled out on the kitchen floor. The first time i saw that scene i laughed as hard as i have ever laughed.
    Although the alternating Beckies was pretty bad. The first sign of going completely downhill was when Jackie started getting crazy. At first she was just a little quirky, then she went completely bonkers.
    As many things happened with this show it was hard to decide when it jumped. I voted for the 2 Beckys because I felt Lecy Goranson had really defined the role of Becky and Sarah Chalke, though not bad was just not Goranson. It didn't help that Chalke didn't look much like Goranson, which was jarring. Definitely the earlier episodes are better than the later episodes. As the show progressed and the kids got older the show seemed to wonder off in strange directions. Roseanne's character became more serious and the show as a whole became more politically correct with the promotion of gay themes and the demonization of abortion opponents. I agree the last season was bizarre (most over the top moment: Ruta Lee as Beverly's gay lover). Still at whatever point in the series there were always good episodes and some of the best dialogue in the history of television.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when she won the lottery. It was a good premise that was used way over the top.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when the won the Lottery. there's just something not real about the Roseanne family winning the lotto. so its not longer about a middle/lower class family, which was the essence of the show, but now they are a rich family, losing the point of the original show, which is what made the show funny.
    Ok, I watched Roseanne from day one, and there were several moments right in the last few seasons where the show jumped the shark. First, as we all know, the new Becky. Oh my God, could they have picked a worse actress?! I liked it better when Becky was gone...at least I didn't have to deal with the new Becky and the boring plot surrounding her constant attempts at making a marriage with Mark. On to Darlene...she was one of the best characters on the show, until she started getting all soft instead of sarcastic. This all culminated when she married David and got pregnant. The lottery thing sucked the big one, yes, but the show went down hill way before that. Let's take a look at Jackie. She was at her best when she was single. Her constant quest to find the perfect man was a key plot in the show. Marrying Fred, Mr. Boring, started her downhill trend, but when they had a baby and then got divorced, she got even worse. I think bringing back Leon was a great idea since he made the diner years great, but then he got all domestic with Scott, and he and Roseanne were suddenly friends. Her mother was also a great character when she nagged and bothered everyone, but then she was an alcoholic lesbian...what the hell was that all about?! All these character assassinations, plus Traci Lords, Disneyworld, baby Jerry Garcia (wtf?), and the trailer park took Roseanne from masterpiece to piece of crap.
    This was such a great show for the first 4-5 years. It really began to slow down when the original Becky left. You can also trace the downfall to Roseanne Barr/Arnold/Whateverhernameis plastic surgery. The last one which gave her a shiny, waxy face led into the bad seasons. This gave us everyone turning gay, 10 people moving into the Conner house, the idiotic plots with the new babies (both Roseanne and Jackie), getting rid of Fred, and finally, the death knoll of the lottery. "It's over, Johnny."
    Jerry Garcia Connor?! Give me a break! That's when it jumped, but the last season is when it didn't hit the landing quite right, fell in the water, and the shark ate it!
    as with most decent sitcoms it (writer\roasanne) actually took itself seriously, so seriously in fact i don't think she made it over the shark ....what a feast.
    Anyone who has read Steven King's book, "The Shining," can perhaps liken that protagonist to the character Dan in "Roseanne". This is to say that in taking a good man trying to raise a family in "small town USA" and surrounding him with all these destructive elements he is bound to fold under the pressure. Dan's is a systematic demise that comes into its zenith when his mother gets institutionalized. When the Conner family won the lotto it took away this vital element, thus causing the show to jump the shark.
    This show never jumped. You either were completely in love with it or you hated it. However I do have to admit the last season was kind of bad. But it all got explained in the last episode.
    Anyone who has read Stephen King's, "The Shining," can perhaps liken the Jack Torrance character with that of Dan Conner. The allegory of "The Shining," is that this hotel symbolizes the pressures of raising a family. In the book, Torrance eventually gets driven crazy and turns on his family. In the show Roseanne, this element is vital to what Dan's character is. He is an "ordinary" man with good intentions who is trying to raise a family in small town America. His pressures are, an overbearing wife, a co-dependant sister-in-law and mother-in-law, a sadistic daughter, a neglectful father, several failed attempts at success, alcoholism, and many internal struggles. In the end, this finally comes to a head when in a vital scene he breaks down when his Mother has a nervous breakdown and needs money. For me, the show "jumped the shark" in this scene. With the lose of this man's underlining conflict, his Mother, the show loses its backbone. They then win the lottery and no longer become a struggling family. From that point on the producers should have changed the name of the show from "Roseanne" to, "The Ego That Is Roseanne."
    The last episode should have been when Jackie and Fred got married in 1994. After that, the show declined into too many fantasy episodes and watered down plots. In the last episode, Roseanne seemed to be trying to get even with her critics in Hollywood, but ended up only slapping her fans in the face. What had once been a very funny story about the most realistic TV family to date turned out to be only a novel of the Roseanne Connor character. The fans who made Roseanne wealthy were cheated by this ending.
    When darlene and david got married, and dan had a heart attack at the ceremony. that episode was supposed to be the series finale, but they dragged on for one more miserable season. until then, some of the best television in history. we could identify with them, and they were hilarious. {the conners, i mean.** the new becky was pretty bad, but the show didnt truly jump until after the wedding. i like to pretend that the last season doesnt exist. some networks dont even air it at all.
    When Roseanne won the lottery. The show became completely unrealistic and totally trashy. Not at all funny. And who the hell wants to see Roseannes fat ass in all those skimpy outfits? Have just a LITTLE class Rosie!!
    never jumped! If you don't get it, tough. You know what's really witty and clever, calling Ellen DeGeneres "Ellen Degenerate" Which shows do you write for, comedy king? Roseanne rocks!
    Bogus Becky and the episode where Roseanne interviewed for a job at the beauty shop. I thought the first Becky sucked as an actress but the Bogus Becky really sucked! In the beauty shop episode she became ruder with each interview question, and still got the job! The best part of the beauty shop was the gal from Vietnam who stole every episode she was in. It didn't take Tom Arnold to know that Roseanne was not going to keep her on the show.
    Please help me understand why a funny show like Roseanne was in the beginning thinks that it has to become the social conscience for the world? It is a 30 minute sitcom for chrissake! So this show started sucking when we had to learn each episode how wonderful it was to be homosexual, or be taken into some LSD type dreamscape. I guess Roseanne was tired of making $500,000 per week.
    come on now, identifiable white trash family hits lotto and all of a sudden what? Same ****ty house but with better furniture? Dirty people in expensive clothes? Admittedly I stopped watching before the change, that made it worse, one day I turned it on and was like WTF?!?! But! It was innovative ballsy and great before it became a guaranteed hook show for consuming slobs nationwide.
    This show actually started to jump, but never quite made it, it just kind of skimmed the shark. The winning of the lottery episodes were a huge disappointment to those of whom related to her middleclass woes. But on the final episode when it was revealed to be a fantasy it was not only a great gift to all of us fans but also a very realistic look at how many people deal with grief, esp* those of us who often wonder what life would be like if we were someone else. Denial is the stage of grief that lasts the longest and is this most painful and as a LCSW, I often recommend keeping a journal or a daily log to work through all the things we do not like to discuss with others. Often times we see things as we think they are rather then as they really are. I.e. Jackie being a lesbian, just man trouble. Who knows. I say kudos to Roseanne, what ever her personal life was she was true to her fans whom watched her show, gave us a lot to think about. How many of you would like the chance to "rewrite" our lives?
    Once she brought in Tom Arnold the show started to suck. With all their publicity as a couple, along with Tom's nervous jaw (read cocaine drymouth), I truly believe that this was the turning point in the program.
    I loved this show, it was my favorite. But this show jumped when the conners won the lottery. Up until that point, Dan and Roseanne were like any other lower middle class family, struggling to make ends meet so alot of people could really get into it, but when they won the lottery, it all went down the tubes. Im not a fan of Rosanne, but i did like her character on the show. Darleen was the best. Why would a family who just one a hundred and eight million dollars, who complained for years about living in Lanford, fix up the same house and stay where they are??? Dan should have left Roseanne years before he did. But I loved his sense of humor. Jackie was awesome too.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when the characters decided to become the most white trash & twisted TV family in history.
    This started out as a very funny series. After about 4 seasons, Roseanne's one-liners started changing from funny to mean. Don't get me wrong, mean can still be funny, but somehow in this case it really had dark overtones I found very unpleasant.
    In two simple words...Tom Arnold (emphasis on the simple...). They were married, he did a poor job with writing, acting, producing, and after they split up, that was when she came up with the whole lottery ticket crap, etc.
    This was once a GREAT show, but when i catch it on repeats, I know right away to change the channel if Roseanne has that new "look". It happened right before the new Becky came back, and along wit her new look came a new attitude, where she became very annoying, and no longer funny. Then they started adding new characters, Leon, David, Mark & Fred all as regulars, and they aren't interesting. After that, the show is just unwatchable.
    I felt the show first jumped the shark when Roseanne gave birth. After that the show had to make a desperate change and have the family win the lottery which pretty much put the last nail in the coffin.
    When the first Becky --the very talented actress Alicia Gorensen -- left the show. Unlike the other actors on the show she was not a hollywood type, she wasn't one of those tinsel town raised brats, she was just talented and funny and real.
    Tom Arnold thought it great to have the wonderful tap dancer Jesco White on one episode. It turned out that Jesco was only on during the closing credits...A true waste of talent. If ANYONE has video of Jesco White actually in the show as Uncle Jesco, let me know!
    When the Connors won the lottery. Go from slum to riches overnight and then to pretend they have class..........I DON'T THINK SO
    Tom Arnold really did suck, after that Roseanne had nothing but sad attempts at keeping ratings up. Just because he is your husband doesn't mean he is funny!
    Roseanne was a really good show. I liked it because it was sooo funny. But the show lost it's uniqueness when she won the lottery. At first they were just lower than working class white trash (funny white trash) with crude jokes, which made the show what it was. When they won the lottery, they actually started to really care about each other. For instance, when Dan had a heart attack Roseanne started acting like she really cared. I know as a wife she must, but come one. She wouldn't have cared that much. Then, when Darlene had her baby and it was premature and everyone thought it was going to die Roseanne was like, "I don't care how much it costs, you get me the most expensive doctor to come heal my granddaughter". How corny can you get!
    tom arnold is a genius. after he left, the show started its downward spiral. its too bad since the first 3 or 4 seasons were as good as any show ever.
    This show had sharks circling the last few seasons. But what did it for me was them winning the lottery. After that it was never the same. This show has given us some of the funniest moments in TV but the last 2 seasons were just horrible.
    After dan's heart attack the show should have ended. what the hell was that last season about. It had its moments but most of the episodes just plain sucked. The halloween episode the most disappointing one of all.
    When they won the lottery, hands down. I love the show, I watch it and it reminds me of people I know, know of and am related to.I'm glad this site isn't PC. In defense of the new Becky. I think the 2nd actress was a little better. True, the first looked a little to young (she was smart and left the show for college right?) and the second was little to pretty and a little to "fake". Although they did have some fun with the whole Dick Sergeant/York-Darren Stephens "thing" from "Bewitched". When Sharon Stone guest starred as TRUE white trailer park trash was definitely a shark jumping attempt. Overall, there were some moments that were all wrong for the show. The lottery is chief among them. They could have taken a cue from "Good Times" (another show similar in a portrayal of family who doesn't have it made) which almost jumped it when John Amos left but didn't and ended the series with the entire family finally getting out of the hood and finding some financial security. If that approach was used then winning the lottery would have been a great way to end the series!
    Roseanne slowly and gradually jumped the shark. I think I liked the characters more in the middle of the run of the show. At first, Roseanne was sarcastic, but loving towards her family. Then she seemed to turn into a complete shrew! Jackie was better when she was slightly neurotic, but still kinda cool and hip. I don't think Jackie needed a child in the show, it made her less fun, somehow. Then she became COMPLETELY neurotic and totally wacky. She relied more on mugging and physical comedy than delivering good lines. I like the fact that the "smart" Becky ended up letting her family down a little and getting married young, and that the "jock" Darlene ends up surprising everyone and getting into college. That's the way things happen sometimes! Of course, I agree with the obvious ways the show jumped... the lottery, all the babies, etc... I think a lot of these shows make the mistake of thinking that they have to come up with fantastic, unusual storylines to keep the public interested when that's not the case. Not every single episode has to be shocking and ground-breaking!
    When Dan SUPPOSEDLY cheated on Roseane was just to much, even for this very loyal fan. I always thought Dan was the kind of guy whom I would LOVE to have as a husband and they RUINED that by trying to make him look bad. Get real we all know SHE is the one most likely to cheat on a great guy NOT the other way around. I could not watch that last season. I really wished they would have just let Dan rest in peace and not be discredited by the super ego that was Roseanne.
    Roseanne was a typical blue collar family that showed day to day struggles in an average financial income home. It jumped when they won the lottery. It went funny to boring in a hurry. The writing got terrible and the characters lost their purpose on the show. Then Dan had an affair and Roseanne paid off the house. Typical of TV shows.
    As soon as Becky Ran off with Mark and got married the show started going downhill. From that point onwards I don't think Becky ever lived under that roof again properly as one of the Connor Kids, she immediately became a Recurring character and a growing Darlene was now a major charcter on the show. The show around 1992-early 1993 had some funny episodes, but As soon as Darlene went to College it got even worse. I don't NOT even want to comment on that Lottery winning CRAP!!!
    This show started to JTS when Becky One left. But, surprisingly, it kept itself on the right track, and didn't suck too much until the Conners won the lottery. It was like Roseanne fired all of her good writers and then hired the same bunch of monkeys-with-typewriters that had hacked out Twin Peaks or Saturday Night Live. But I do have to give props to some of the later episodes, it was sometimes funny to see Roseanne and Jackie try to make it with 'the upper crust.' Oh, and what the hell -- they won the lottery, and instead of buying a new house, just remodeled their old one? That's ridiculous. And what about that plot line involving some European prince and Jackie? To be quite honest, I felt like the entire last season was like watching a friend slip into a heroine addiction. Had this show stuck to its formula, it might still be on TV. Wait, strike that. The kids would've had to grow up, and I can't stomach the thought of bringing on other kids to fill the void. Jerry Garcia Conner was a mistake and should be told so repeatedly.
    I think the idiots that talked trash about Roseanne show are nothing more that total a**holes that only wished they could have a normal family like the Connors and not some "nose-stuck-up-in-the-air-snobby-self-rightious-moronic-better-than-you" families they come from. The Conners are as close as you can get to the real-life families of the "REAL" world.
    If any of you people followed the last season it actually made sense and had very good writing. Dan Died of the heart attack but she wrote a book about her family if Dan was still there and just cheated on her...never won the lottery or anything. Remember she always wanted to be a writer? yeah so dont freaking talk jack about the last season.....it was her wacky imagination which we all know how she was in that show. Come on people dont slam it till you know the facts. It was an awesome ending I was in shock when i found out it was just her writing.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when they replaced Becky. Not only because they replaced her. They could have gotten away with it if this character was consistent. But first Becky was a straight A student, sarcastic, popular, and a likeable character. Second Becky was a complete ditz. First Becky would NOT be okay with staying married to a complete dolt. First Becky would not be okay with working at hooters, moving into a trailer park, etc... Second Becky was so sweet and nice, it made you sick. The first Becky would fight back, not just run up to her room when Darlene made a smart ass comment. First Becky was a realistic character. She acted like a spoiled brat sometimes. Second Becky was a completely different character. So if you're going to replace a character, do you have to completely change the "character" of the character?
    Anyone who tried to control, contain, or counter Roseanne was instantly removed from the show. In the end, Roseanne dominated the series, and nobody could tell her that "No, this idea isn't going to work". Consequently, all of her ideas, no matter how stupid, became episodes, and the series' fans streamed away like blood from a mortal wound. Roseanne's 50-story ego haunted the show from the beginning, and eventually stomped it flat. Nobody could control or even counter her (nobody that wanted to keep their job, anyway), and all of her New Coke quality decisions about the direction of the show pretty much doomed it, and ironically, Roseanne herself. After the series ended, she couldn't quite come to terms with the fact that people were no longer under her thumb, which is why her talk show got cancelled so quickly. She started acting like a spoiled brat, but instead of getting a cookie for it as she usually did, she got spanked, hard. All I can say is this... it's about damn time she woke up and smelled that fresh pot of reality brewing.
    The real problems began when she started to think of herself as a serious artist instead of just another entertainer (think of how weird Michael Jackson got after "Thriller", or Madonna after "Like a Prayer"). About the time the show went airborne over the fish, she accused her parents of abuse and did that despicable rendition of the national anthem before a baseball game. The latter reason alone is why I won't watch anything with her ever again.
    this show was originally based on roseanne's blue collar "domestic goddess" stand-up routine. using that premise the show got good ratings and was popular and it all went to roseanne's head. she started hanging around the hollywood types and started doing the hollywood things and that is why she and her show got weird. and since she had the status and the pull to throw her WEIGHT around she always got her way no matter how stupid her ideas were. From the point they won the lottery, Roseanne was over. Done. Finito. The whole raison d'etre of the show was to portray a typical blue collar family. Once that blue collar was traded for fortune and fame, the show ceased to be about anything more than Roseanne's whims. As far as the last episode--yikes. People have said in this thread that we out there who actually liked this show shouldn't be angry that the show changed its entire premise in that last scene--they say that we should just accept that Roseanne wrote the whole thing, that it was "all a dream" a la Dallas. Well, the reason this annoys people is that, when you like and watch a show, you believe in the characters. You root for Darlene and David, you tut-tut at Becky and Mark, you hope Dan can find steady work. Sure, they're fictional characters, but good fiction engages and inspires, and a writer owes it to his or her public not to screw around with the characters they have created. Roseanne didn't just screw around--she flat out obliterated the characters to such a degree that they don't exist--indeed, never did exist. What was once a great show turns out to be a book within a show--and it's just too much to swallow.
    David, Darlene's boyfriend, was called Kevin when he first came on at least for 3 episodes. Then all of the sudden he changed is his to David. Was this a trend in the early 90's? Jon Stamos did the same in Full House!
    This show was killed by plastic surgery. Roseanne was great in the beginning because she wouldn't apologize for not looking like a model. But when she got plastic surgery, it was like she was saying "ok, maybe i do buy into the idea that a woman must look like a model to succeed." Not that she ever looked like a model, even with surgery, but you get my drift. And then Darlene got a nose job, got married and became a mother; they won the lottery; Dan died, it just blew up like a giant explosion. But yes I agree Ms. Metcalf was great. I just saw a rerun last night where she tells a relative "Dad is dead." I was on the floor laughing. The woman can't hear her and she ends by saying, "No, he's fine. He sends his love."
    I agree that this show was consistently funny and interesting when Becky was dating Mark, Darlene started getting anti-social and depressed and always wore black, and when Jackie couldn't land a steady boyfriend or career. It started losing its ground when it focused less on the family as a whole and more on Roseanne (around the time when Darlene left for college and the new Becky). But then Roseanne wanted to shock middle America -that's why there were so many gay characters, why they smoked pot etc. These were at least interesting episodes. But then it actually just got boring, characters came and went (the two sisters next door, Crystal, Bonnie), Jackie got pregnant and married Fred and Darlene just hung around with David. It just wasn't funny. I like a couple of the episodes during the lottery win- when they won, when Roseanne couldn't get out of bed after Dan left, when they met Edina and Patsy from AbFab, but basically they ran out of ideas and it had strayed too far from its original premise. I wish they had given Darlene more to do towards the end- she didn't escape Lanford, she stayed at home, got married, and had a kid. We could've at least seen more of her career. I didn't mind the last episode but the middle seasons are the best e.g when Jackie sleeps with Arnie, when Darlene tells Roseanne she doesn't believe in God, every Thanksgiving episode, Kathy the neighbour, when Darlene can't get home from a concert, Jackie the trucker- these were classic episodes.
    There was a very subtle little leap before the lottery season, and that was when Becky and Mark and Darlene and David all lived in the Conner house. After that, they began to rely on the usual predictable sitcom conventions. Before that, the show was groundbreaking without seeming to make the effort. Does anyone remember the episode where they find a stash of pot in the house and Roseanne, Jackie, and Dan smoke it and become stupid and paranoid? Hilarious stuff! And somehow managed to air without controversy. At its best, this was one of the best family sitcoms ever.
    I believe Tom Arnold came into the picture towards the end of season one or in season two. Anyway, the show got better in season two and continued to get better. They really had some good strong realistic story lines. After Roseanne kicked Tom out her life and fired him from the show, it gradually began to spiral out of control. The last season was just embarrassing. Don't get me wrong, I didn't care for Tom Arnold. I just think he was good for the show. Too bad Roseanne didn't have the business sense to keep him on even as a consultant. Egos can be very powerful and destructive. I think ego got the best (or worst) of Roseanne.
    This sucked from day one In an article in Entertainment weekly, a sidebar snidely marked "What did they know?" a panning review from an L.A. paper which was dead on target. Rosanne Barr/ Arnold/ I'm too Important for a Surname is an unfunny no talent with zero acting skills. Her vioce is so high pitched it comes off a whiny whenver she complains about something. Worse, this was yet another patronzing hollywood view of blue collar people. Why is that working people on TV are always bigoted (Archie Bunker,) stupid (Tim and Al, from "Home Improvement", or obnoxious (Roseanne)?
    The first three seasons it seemed apparent that DJ was some sort of retarded mutant. Then, suddenly with the onset of puberty, he got a speaking role. He was never funny after that, and should have been kept silent.
    Ok, everybody has different opinions on this one, but listen here. We can pretty much all agree that the first four seasons were good, right? (The first one was so-so though). Becky's departure at the beginning of the fifth did not harm the show in any way. It actually was the funniest season yet. Then Darlene left at the beginning of the 6th, and although we'd miss darlene, it STILL didn't hurt the show in anyway. Then new becky came a few episodes into that one, and as bad as she was, the show STILL wasn't hurt--that year gave us the pot-smoking episode, the masturbation episode, the darlene-david-in-chicago discovery, the cutody battle show, the lesbian kiss, the birth of jackie's kid. Those episodes, if you really recall, had stellar writing, regardless of any missing characters or new characters or wierd plot twists or any new "look" roseanne may have had or the highlights in dan's hair. It was the writing, which was superbly inspired, that made the show be! tter than ever. And the tags were classic too, such as the "cops" parody or the obnoxious christmas lights. I have never seen such fierceness in a show's bang-quickness of wit, with maybe the exception of the simpsons. This slowed down later in the season, when jackie was getting married, but in no way did it jump shark. Then came the seventh season, which didn't EXACTLY taint the show. Yes there was some silliness, like the mark-becky trailer episodes, the gilligan island fantasy, the fact that david had wet dreams about roseanne. Yes, there were recycled ideas, like another drug episode and the fact that roseanne was now pregnant after jackie. But overall, the show did pretty well in maintaining a high standard of comedy, particularly in shows like thanksgiving, bev's alcoholism, and the naked neighbors. It was still a highly relevant show that, for all its silliness and overt self-reference and pop-culture tie-ins, kept one-liners and clever tag-endings a high art on the show. The one thing that DID outright suck about seventh season is that darlene became an outright bitch. She was no longer sarcastic in reaction to the absurdity of the people around her, she was just a bitch. an! d nothing more. Then, the beginning of the end. The eighth season starts, and there we see roseanne looking "softer," the set lighting became plush and fuzzy. At first it doesn't seem so bad, what with the new becky coming back. But with the exception of the "identical beckys" tag, the episode lacked "oomph." And every episode there after did as well. THe show had good ideas, like the 50's sitcom parody, but the writing simply couldn't afford the shows any sharp insight or outright hysteria. The acting also degenerated much further, particularly in the episode where there's a new diner across the street. Roseanne smashing a toaster through her own diner window in order to create a drive-thru was just too unrealistically impulsive to be funny. The part where they attempt to sabotage the restaurant was even sillier, like an episode of perfect strangers. It was a "blaa" season in progress. But what really marked the show's first truly horrific episode, where the plot, the acting, the writing, and the idea itself was just downright excruciating to witness, was the halloween episode where jerry was born. After that, I don't think anyone could say that it wasn't a truly strained show. The polical statements became blander, what with episodes where dj refuses to kiss a black girl or the thanksgiving show that ends in a circle dance in order to pay homage to native americans everywhere. Every character on the show was strained, including dan, who became a bumbling father figure in the show's desparate attempt to shed some new comedy light on what was already a perfected character. The show jumped shark, but what really marked the show of the characters' death, what really showed that the connors weren't the connors anymore was the disney world episode. In earlier seasons, the connors would have gone to disney world and complain how much it sucked, but they actually promoted it in the footsteps of full house. They were a white trash family who were thoroughly enjoying a sense of renewed life on what should be seen as a hell on earth. as if that wasn't insulting enough they had to follow that up with an episode where david takes a job at an "inferior" amusement park that "could only try to be as good as disney world." ouch. The show was no longer funny. At all. And the 9th and final season, well we all know that was the absolute worst. I would also like to add that it wasn't even fit for a public access channel. But, it's not as if the lottery plot twist made the show bad in and of itself; it was the writing. They REALLY could have worked with that idea better, but the show already became disneyfied, as shown in the prior season. A Pop-Up Roseanne, a la vh1, exploiting the show's horrendous writing, would have saved it. But no. They had to play it out as if they were still making a meaningful, relevant, and funny show. I can name three funny moments of that whole season: the abfab section of the halloween episode, the ending of the "spa" episode where roseanne and jackie toss their glasses, and the christmas episode. That's it. Hardly enough comedy to develop even 2 episodes on a REALLY BAD show. Critics called the ninth season "unwatchable," and headlined their articles with "A star implodes" and "domestic goddess dethroned." The last 2 seasons were the ultimate testimony to there being a finite amount of creativity in all of us. It's depressing to think about. Not even the final episode could redeem the fact that this show was the hugest fall from grace in tv history. My explanation for its ultimate failure is tom arnold's departure. It's not that he was funny or even a good writer or producer, it was the fact that I think he genuinely grounded and inspired roseanne when he was by her side. He brought out her inner greatness and creativity because it was the two of them versus the producers and the studio. I think if not that, then he pushed her in a good way. He left at the end of the 6th season, and I believe that the ongoing success of roseanne in the 7th season was purely for residual reasons (i.e. storylines already sketched out and whatnot). Ok, I have the rankings for roseanne during its run, and I thought it'd be interesting to show everyone the path it took during its life. Season 1: #2 (some sources say #1) season 2: #1 (some say tied with cosby, others say it beat cosby) season 3: #3 (after star-spangled banner) season 4: #2 season 5: #2 season 6: #4 season 7: #8 (some sources say #10) season 8: #16 (some sources say #14) season 9: #32 These numbers would make anybody that worked on that show hide in shame.
    When the train was hijacked (remember??) Also, when they won the lottery. that soooooo sucked, because it totally turned roseanne into a soap opera.
    I really enjoy watching Roseanne in reruns and i enjoyed the show for all but the last season. The 2 becky thing was only annoying because, it was strange that suddenly becky sounded just like a canadian ! and then they would alternate both beckys, so you never felt connected to either one after that.
    Roseanne was a brilliant show - as good as sitcoms can get. There are dozens of episodes which are written and acted flawlessly. Just amazing craft. But after the sixth season ended around the time of jackie's marriage the show hit the wall. A sudden shift of producers and writers -- not to mention Roseanne's break-up with Tom Arnold -- ended the magic. The seventh season was not as funny or polished. The eight season was astonishingly unfunny. And the ninth season was such a shift in tone and a betrayal of direction that it was like watching a train wreck. When I watch the repeats on TBS these days I stop once Jackie gets married.
    I watched Roseanne for the first few seasons and then stopped. Actually stopped watching any network TV. For the last year or so my son and I have been watching the reruns. I had never seen the final episode or most of the last season. I was able to watch almost all the episodes, in order. It was a really funny show that didn't really Jump The Shark, it just slid under, a little at a time. Jackie was such a great character till she morphed into Barney Fife. One of my favorite lines in later episodes was when Bev was a recovering alcoholic and Dan, Jackie and I think Fred were in the garage to sneak a beer, Jackie says...Don't go out there, she's out there, Bev, beverage. That just cracks me up each time I see it. And Fred as her husband, oh good grief, if she had to have child a child, let her stay single and not even know who the father was. Darlene and David was a great story line till the baby thing....at least let Darlene succeed, she seemed to have potential and they killed it. Her best line, He's either very good at it or very bad at it. (Discussing DJs new pastime) my second favorite would be c'mon mom you know you always wanted perky ones. Hated that Dan died, but that's how life goes. Did kind of like the ending actually, that all the things were made up to get through Dan's death. Most episodes were great, some really sucked and others were sprinkled with great lines. I still enjoy it.
    Everybody's coming out of the closet and Roseanne is the one getting kissed? Don't think she's on the hot list of any sex.
    Jumped when Darlene hit puberty. After she turned 16 (and dyed her hair black) all she ever did was push David around and make rude, unfunny remarks in a monotone voice, like she was on valium. DJ started to act like this too after a while. I think Roseanne must've drugged the cast with valium after she broke up with Tom Arnold so they wouldn't nervously fidget like him. The show's peak was definitely the Martin Mull Rodbell's Diner era... Leon to Roseanne and Bonnie: "It's wrong for me to get involved in your argument because... I don't care."
    I really loved the show Roseanne. This show really makes me laugh...even in reruns. I liked it because I could relate to the characters. It was similiar to my own family. It was a show for lower middle class people. I believe the show started to go down hill when the new Becky came. After Becky came back with Mark the show just became a hit and miss of funny and not so funny shows. The first Becky was a better actress. She was two dimentional where the new one seemed flat. It really became unfunny and boring the eighth season. The ninth season was horrible but I still didn't turn on the show. I was loyal to the end. I am a true blue fan . Some of my favourite episodes include when Roseanne became addicted to Bingo,Darlene's sweet 16 party and the closing credits of the first show of season 8 when Sarah Chalke and Lecy Goranson briefly overlap in the little musical parody "They're Becky's", a take on the Patty Duke Show, that was the best part of that entire season.
    Ok WTF was with Tiny Tim playing Tiptoe thru the Tulips with David on the couch, and then Dan came out and smashed the hell out of it. It jumped big ass time then.
    I know Roseanne is annoying as hell but the show was hilarious. John Goodman was hilarious, the sister Jackie made the show but my fave character was Shelley Winters. She was SO good. I dunno I just loved the blue collar, trying to make a buck attitude, not knowing where the next dime was comin from, yet they always pulled through. I guess I thought it kinda jumped when they won the lottery , they were grabbing big time.....and I didn't mind the Becky switch, I just loved Jackie and Dan and Grandma Mary !
    When the Connor household was invaded by the nepotism move of adding the annoyingly-strung-out-on-uppers Tom Arnold, and the gay/gay & lesbian/lesbian characters Martin Mull and Sandra Bernhard.
    well, when the show was going through its original run I rarely watched it, I think it came on when I was supposed to be doing homework or something. but now I'm pretty sure I have seen every episode in syndication, several times over a lot of times just cause there was nothing better on. and I tend to think that in its earliest incarnations, there were some really really funny shows, unfortunately the show started getting a swelled ego, and Roseanne kept trying to tackle so many grave issues that sucked a lot of humor out of many episodes( I think she went a tad overboard on the homosexual thing personally.) her Halloween episodes were never worth watching, the trippy grateful dead thing where she decides to name her baby Jerry was probably the stupidest I'd ever seen, and then they had to go ruin the whole blue collar image of the family by giving them a sh*tload of money. so basically, I think the show was in a huge downward spiral from day one, and I think ten years from now the show will be all but forgotten.
    "Roseanne" never 'jumped the shark' (incidentally, the phrase is a bit off. Happy Days jumped the shark long before Richie turned down the Hollywood contract. The phrase should be 'When Garry Marshall realized people would actually watch a nostalgia-driven sitcom', or 'I Have No Brother!', but I digress). "Roseanne" is easily the best sitcom of the '90s, and probably the best sitcom from 1975 (the end of The Odd Couple) to the present. The show developed a simple formula based on a blue-collar humor and very subtle wit, and expanded upon it for nearly a decade.
    Once Dan & Roseanne split up that was the end of this show, period! It went from one heck of a sitcom to almost watching Roseanne change her lifestyle in real life. She threw her own problems and life changes in the last season and it was a completely different show. And think what you want about Tom Arnold but he really helped make this show what it once was. Roseanne was another sitcom that was awesome at one time but went a couple of seasons to long, they should have kept the Dan & Roseanne together through it all and never have brought in all the gay characters.
    Roseanne was always self-indulgent and nasty, but her supporting cast could be counted on the keep her in line, but after the lottery she just became totally mean and the show lost all humour. I had never seen a lot of the later episodes until lately and after Dan disappeared and Darlene got pregnant it just was downhill bigtime, I haven't seen the last show yet that others are talking about, but I can see how when roseanne got her mean way, all the fun was gone, too bad, because I really enjoyed it for a long time.
    When Roseanne and Tom split up, this show declined. The next season was all right, but after that it turned bad in a hurry. Switching Beckys was not a good idea either. The first Becky was such a bitch, (which says something of the acting talents of Lecy Goranson) while the second was not intense, bitchy or believable. And, yes she is Canadian. The edge was gone from Becky. And Mark was dumbed down like no other character I could think of. I believe that Roseanne's ego ruined one of the greatest situation comedies. How could she fire all those good writers and hire 3rd rate hacks? Oh, I know... TO BULLY THEM AROUND! I stopped watching when she had the baby on that ridiculous and pointless Halloween episode. Would you be surprised to learned that she wrote that piece of ****, because I wasn't. Tom Arnold, imo, doesn't get enough credit for his groundbreaking tenure during this show. Personally, I thought he was funny. Hell, I think he's still funny, whether he's tweeking on drugs or not. And how come Fred was all cool when he and Jackie were going out but became such a boring, needless character while they were married?
    This was one of my favorite shows and still is in syndication--UP TO THE PART WHERE THEY WIN THE LOTTERY! This was definitely the shark-jumping moment! Also, why is everyone giving the fake Becky such a hard time? She is the only actress out of the entire cast to go on (now) to a good show--Scrubs on NBC.
    Roseanne jumped the shark with the first episode that featured Tom Arnold. I cringe whenever he speaks. And as for that annoying way he licks his lips when he talks.....drives me nuts. When Tom and Roseanne became a couple, I lost all interest in Roseanne. It seemed that Tom Arnolds ideas featured in the show, and it just didn`t work. Especially with his character Arnie when Roseanne was supposed to be mad at him for dating her friend Nancy. John Goodman really played his part well, as did Jackie. And I liked the mother before she came out the closet. So many different episodes jumped the shark. The most unrealistic one was the terrorists one.....very unbelievable, but the rot really starting setting in with Toms first appearence.
    I realized that this show jumped the shark when I went to school with the original Becky at Vassar and came to learn, after hanging with her for a while, that she was a huge druggy. That just killed the show for me. I don't know why - it just did for some odd reason.
    Don't get me wrong, this show was one of the best shows ever. But it just aired too long. If Rosanne just quit two years before it ended, it would've been cool. But it totally JTS when Dan was gone. For some reason DJ became annoying in the last two or three seasons. Also, what was the deal with Mark? The two weren't as annoying as that girl on "The Cosby Show" that played Olivia, but they came close towards the end. By the way, Jackie's a babe.
    This show jumped the shark when Roseanne won the lottery; the disappearance of the blue collar charm that typified this show became the death of it.
    To the poster who mentioned Roseanne's psychiatric hospitalization as a teenager & the one who mentioned the whole show being based on Roseanne's book-- the hospitalization occurred in R's real life, as written in her autobiography "Roseanne: My Life As A Woman"
    While the different Becky, lottery winning, and other elements helped jump, there is something that occurred in the final season or two that was very subtle. The show went from trying to laugh at a low-income family's problems with smart writing and good jokes to being a take off of Married With Children. Every comment became a slam on them for being white trash. They were never really white trash, more poor and trying to make ends meet. Once Becky and Mark moved into a trailer park and they went to DisneyWorld and turned everything into a white trash joke it got stupid! I also agree that they over gayized Lanford
    This show jumped once Roseanne had a ton of plastic surgery and had the baby. Then, in the last season when the won the lottery.... I can't even talk about.\I always loved this show in the Early Days (circa 1988-1990) For me it went through 4 Phases Phase_1:THE BEGINNING - It was Funny, and Roseanne was still Pre-Plastic Surgery working at the Plastic Factory and the Family were Working Class. Phase_2: THE SHOW GETS REALLY FUNNY - Roseanne Starts work at the Rodbells Diner, Becky Dates Mark Healy, then eventually Roseanne sets up the "Landford Lunchbox" Roseanne starts to change Physically. I think the Show won an Emmy during this era for Top Comedy in the US. Phase_3 SHARK JUMPING TIME - Darlene goes to College, Jackie Falls pregnant to that Fred Guy and suddenly the New Becky Appears, the show Starts Sliding Downhill Fast. Phase_4: TOTAL CRAP, That STUPID Lottery Win, ok so if they had of won, say..Half a Million Dollars? it would have been believable! but 108 million?? How F*cking Lame!! Each Episode in the last Season were utter Crap!! not Funny!! I actually missed the VERY last Episode. Heard it Was Crap too!! Shame how some shows can get wrecked if they go on too long, Least Seinfeld knew when to call it a Day.
    I knew that the Roseanne show was truly reaching when they started doing dream episodes. The episode I am referring to Roseanne is dreaming and she goes into a sort of "Diva" character, and hold court against her unappreciative family. This has to truly be the worst episode of this show if not the worst ever in any sitcom.
    looking back on this show, i hated what jackie became after her marriage. her spirit was broken. but after the divorce she just got weird. scary weird. really too bad.
    I only watched Roseanne from season 1 to 5. After that the show just got to be too much. You could just tell they were trying to keep up the ratings which obviously didn't work. Roseanne WAS a good show. There's a reason why it bumped The Cosby Show from the #1 spot during the 1989-1990 season.
    Because of Roseanne's polemics, this show had been in decline for a while, but the shark's nose began protruding up in the episode where Roseanne more or less forced David and Darlene to be together. I found this unbelievable, not just because Darlene had had ample opportunity to woo young men at college (one of the worst episodes was when Roseanne got confrontational with a guy Darlene was seeing at college. Had I been that guy I would have told Roseanne to **** off before he called security and had his dad sue her ass), David had been living with the Connors long enough to be a brother to her. But they soared above the shark with something that did not happen. When Dan broke up with Roseanne, I thought they would do something really daring and deal with a family going through divorce, with both couples exchanging recriminations and the kids being conflicted between loyalty to mom and dad. Roseanne lashed out at Dan often enough for the divorce to be understandable, yet there was enough love between them to make the breakup poignant. No show I can think of had ever done that before.That situation could have reenergized what was becoming a tired show. Instead her daughter marries a foster son and she wins the lottery. Actually the final episode, which revealed the previous episodes to be the fictionized musings of a housewife trying to become a writer, was original, but it came so much out of the blue, after that terrible final season it was nothing but a cop-out.
    This show jumped when they won the lottery!!! And also the baby episode, the baby was born on October 31st she found out from the Ouiji board!!
    That show got so absurd after the Conners won the lottery. The writing was horrible and the story lines were ridiculous. The show completely lost its "blue-collar family" focus and went into the crapper.
    How is it possible, that a show SO BRILLIANT in being "Plain Jane average" and being about the majority of Americans BOMB THE LAST YEAR? I'll tell you, just add a winning lottery ticket, a whole smarm of cash and writers with heads up their a**! From 1986 to (I would approximate 1993) the show was EXCELLENT. It's hard for a show to continue the way it does because the kids grow up and eventually have to either move out or turn into vegetable dip! (The benefit of The Simpsons.....they never age....Bart Simpsons is technically 24 years old this year..think about that one) The show became So-So and "manageable to watch" from the 93-96 seasons, but so help me God, when they all became Rich, I want so disgusted at the whole thing that I bailed ship! The last 5-10 minutes of the show DID redeem some of the damage that the last season did, but did Roseanne REALLY NEED TO SPEND 22 episodes on "Day dreaming b.s?!?" *Sigh. I guess there really isn't a show about "the average us!"
    you people need to get your facts straight. this show was still hilarious during 1993-94 (6th season). It actually had some of the best episodes ever (smoking pot, dj behind closed doors, the kiss, discovering david in chicago, etc). and there was still some of the magic left over for season 7, although it was a bit strained, and jackie became completely annoying as fred's wife.but, let's just give it that much recognition and credit: that it was a friggin funny show for seven years. It was when the original becky came back that this show tanked. It just wasn't funny anymore, and everything appeared staged and phony. It was straining to squeeze out any laughter it could get. But what really showed that this show was never going to be "appointment tv" ever again was the halloween episode when the new baby was born. And of course, what made this show officially unfunny forever was the disneyworld episode. But that 9th season, man, that just takes the cake. That was enough reason to NEVER WATCH THIS GODDAMN SHOW EVER AGAIN. They couldn't just let it burn out, they HAD to kill it all the way.
    I have been an avid fan of Roseanne since it started in 1988. We used to sit an watch it together, my mom, dad, little brother and I. It was really great to see a show that was so realistic about the middle class. When Roseanne was on, the four of us would get together in the living room, stop everything and watch. We laughed together SO much...but then everything changed. As much as I love Roseanne and try to get into the last two seasons...I just can't. I can't tell you how many times my dad and I would be watching Roseanne and one of the last season shows would come on and we'd ignore it, spending the entire half-hour remembering the FUNNY moments of the show. "Then...it happened...Becky...cut...the cheese..." (That was OUR favorite). They had such a great show that viewers could identify with...the oldest daughter, Becky, showing all the attitude problems and "knowledge of life" when she was about fourteen...the middle daughter, Darlene, a tomboy with a great sarcastic humor, and DJ the goofy little one we all loved so much... Why did they change it all? No one can identify with a family that wins the lottery, or when every character flaw changes. Becky going from the A+ student to a girl who marries a complete moron and ends up in a trailer park...Darlene who loved sports and making fun of her "barbie doll" sister to a complete bitch who had nothing better to do than put down her boyfriend-turned- husband...DJ "Mom...Darlene called me a prevert..." to DJ hardly getting any airtime other than stupid crap that his character didn't fit...Dan the goofy dad everyone loved to Dan the sleezeball who cheats on his wife when he goes to California...Jackie the trucker, Jackie the cop, Jackie the hilariously clueless about men character who turned into a neurotic obsessive mother...then a LESBIAN?! Come on...that show was so great and it just...flopped. I wish they'd never done the last season. I hated it. I loved that show so much and I HATED that last season. I didn't mind the Becky change all that much (especially when they poked fun of it ("My sister's the same but she isn't the same, my sister's the same but she isn't the same..." "Identical Beeeeeeeckyyyyyyyyyssss..."), but if they were going to cast Sarah Chalke as Becky...they should have LEFT her as Becky. They shouldn't have brought back Lecy. And they shouldn't have changed the Becky character completely. It wasn't even a gradual change. Once she was a perfect student, all she cared about was dating and kissing and the things that all normal girls care about...then MARK comes along and ruins the character of Becky and everything her character was completely. There were just too many drastic changes in characters, plots...the parodies became ridiculous (the episode where they parody "Rosemary's Baby" with Darlene's baby). I miss the good ol' days... "All right! Old Stupid's comin back!" What a shame it all had to change...
    First off let me say that Roseanne when it was on was my favorite show for years. Darlene Conner was my hero! I think the problem with Roseanne wasn't so much that it "Jumped The Shark" as swam teasingly in front of it for the whole of the final season. Up until then it was one of the funniest things on television and I looked forward to it every week. I agree with the person who made the comments above on the final episode being insulting to the viewers. I was willing to forgive the last season up until that point because it was consistantly funny for years. But whoever you are, you are right, I like to pretend the last episode never happened. I know it made a lot of people angry. But at it's peak it was one the best shows around and I still miss it!
    During the last season this show didn't see one JTS cliche that it didn't like. It was soooo egregious it looked like Roseanne was begging the viewers to demand her cancellation. The trip to Disneyworld just after Disney bought ABC was such a sickening cross-promotion that makes you hope the unemployment line got longer. Everything happening after the lottery was a free for all, lacking the discipline needed for comedy. The stories had no rules, hence no laughs. But the show's decline started long before Roseanne's character got rich. Somewhere in the middle of the series run, when Dan's mother was sent to the looney bin, the show made such a shameless grab for an emmy that you wonder why they didn't just flash the trophy on the screen. It would have been more subtle. From there on, the show stopped being a comedy about everyman's struggle to make life just a little bit better in mid-America. Instead it alternated from heavy-handed social commentary to a parade of cult icons like Tracy Lords, Tim Curry, Shelly Winters, and Fred Willard. Switching Beckys was actually a good idea, since Lecy Goranson was irritating to begin with. At least the replacement was something for the eyes.
    I have been reading a lot of very good and bad comments regarding Roseanne but now I am going to weigh in on this. My feeling on Roseanne is that she was and is a true genius. Unfortunately all true genius' go insane as Roseanne did after she dumped Tom Arnold. (Tom is a guy I swear acts like a no talent fool as a put-on .) The show was truely in it's prime between 1989-1994, (Roseannes entire marriage to Tom.) The episodes were consistantly well writen and real. I say Rosie was a genius because although her insanity truely became apparent during the 1994-95 season with the liposuction, hollywood attitude and new face and erratic behavior she could still come up with a truely classic episode from time to time. (The gay wedding with Leon was the one and only time a gay marriage was done right on tv while maintaining the laughs and not getting preachy the way Friends did. Unfortunately genius' go nuts because they can't handle their own brilliance or the fame and fortune that so often goes with it. The final season was a complete asent into this kind of manic behavior since there was nobody left to keep her grounded. The fights on the set over the last 2 to 3 years made it even worse and it finally drove John Goodman, whom we all loved off the show. It's a shame because this show would have been remembered as the single greatest family sitcom ever had someone more stable been the star because all the supporting tools were there.
    Dude, I have never seen such a non-bull**** show go to bull**** before in my life. In fact, I think it is THE ONLY SHOW to ever have died such a disasterous death in that fashion. It didn't just die, it died like nothing has ever died before.
    In the episode where the cast parodies Gilligan's Island, Laura Metcalf played Gilligan himself and sadly was stuck in that role for the duration of the series. Winning the lotto did not help!
    "Roseanne" would have to go down in history in my mind as the most successfull truly horrendously terrible show in history. What in the world people saw in this total waste of broadcasting time I will never know. The scripts were terrible, the acting (except John Goodman) was horrible. "Roseanne" and "Married With Children" will forever live in infamy in my mind as the biggest wastes of broadcasting space that never, ever seemed to end. It was revolting!
    This is one of the more complex examples of a show losing it. Contrary to the opinions of some, Roseanne was at one time a top notch comedy in which the humor was rooted in character rather than goofy arbitrary situations. The jibes that would come out of Roseanne's mouth weren't exactly the same as the blustering humor of Dan, or the sarcasm of Darlene. Whatever situational humor existed was kept in the realm of everyday life--first menstruation, D.J. discovers masturbation, Becky discusses making out with Darlene, the parents are overworked and exhausted. It understood the whole working class ethos. Roseanne jumped the shark about midway through its run, but it's hard to isolate one cause. (Other than the suddenly ultra-lame writing. Maybe Tom Arnold's contribution was very much underestimated. The show was actually at or near its peak during his tenure). But like the Supreme Court's view of pornography, we knew trash when we saw it even if there were no singular culprit. Out of nowhere, there were a dozen plus characters crowding the screen--notably, the overbearing Estelle Parson role. The characters all changed their personalities. They became less distinct. Suddenly the show was embracing the standard bad sitcom approach of having everyone step back and Deliver A Joke. My first "uh oh" might have occurred after all the grown children returned and the boyfriend and the mother and sister and everyone else for all practical purposes lived under that one roof, and Dan threw up his hands and broadly yelled, a la Jackie Gleason, why couldn't he get some peace and quiet around here?! From there we got exaggerated situations rather than believable character interaction. No attention to the unique personalities. The final pathetic season doesn't even seem like it should seriously be regarded as part of the Roseanne show, any more than we should fantasize that Jaws 4 was the real destiny of the characters in Jaws. Lottery, brushes with royalty--fish out of water a la the Beverly Hillbillies? For the first time, the low class Connor life seemed trashy for real, without a shred of the nobilty it once commanded.
    "Roseanne" was actually a funny show that detailed blue-collar life in Middle America. It's stars were ordinary looking people, living ordinary lives and Roseanne would humorously comment on the goings-on in their otherwise dull lives. The show should have ended at the end of its ninth season- John Goodman wanted off the show to make movies. However, ABC renewed the show and the show truly jumped the shark in the ninth season premiere- when Roseanne won the Illinois state Lottery!! HUH? The show then transformed from the blue-collar Connor family to the crassy nouveau riche Roseanne and her bumbled attempts at social climbing. John Goodman, who had long toiled as her husband, took a lesser role, with his character going to California for most of the season to care for his never before seen mother. What was Roseanne thinking? Was she trying to trash her own show in its final season and alienate the viewers who had made her show a success and herself a star? At the end of the show's first season, The National Enquirer or some other tabloid printed a rumor that Roseanne would begin its second season with Roseanne and family winning the lottery. I didn't believe it at the time, as most tabloid stories weren't true, but it did come true, eight years later. The final episode was even worse. Roseanne tried to cover up the final dreadful season by making all the ludicrous events part of some book that she was writing. In fact Dan was dead and Roseanne was still poor, but deluded into a fantasy world where she had won the lottery? HUH? Still shaking my head over that one. What a terrible way to end what was once a funny and entertaining show.
    It happened when Tom Arnold left the show as Arnie but came back when the Connors went to Hollywood and attended the "Jackie Thomas Show." A shameless attempt for Roseanne to drum up viewers for her husband's (at that time) lame show. It lost that flare when it lost touch with reality.
    The day David showed up and Becky changed, the show really took a dive. It was once my favorite show on television. Everyone on the show seemed to real and down to earth; I loved the way the house was always a bit messy the way a real home would be. I'm about the same age as Darlene so in a way I grew up with the show. I had a huge crush on her too, but when that goofball showed up and started dating her, and they traded in smart, realistic Becky for the dumb airheaded bimbo Becky it just made me sick. Then the lottery thing was just so stupid, that was the final blow to this once great show. I didn't even see the final episode so I did not know that Dan died on the show, but I think that is horrible. At least I can tape the early shows, and pretend the later shows never happened.
    I don't think that there was any one moment in which the show went from good to bad. Seasons 1-4 were great TV; really funny and good stuff. Realistic going ons of an average mid-western American family. The high point, IMO was the end of the 4th season after Roseanne got laid off and the bike shop was going under. Seasons 5-7 were ok, but not on par with the first 4 seasons, of course they kept switching the actresses playing Becky and the writing wasn't as good as it was. Each season saw the show getting worse. Seasons 8 and 9 were terrible. There was nothing worth watching during those two seasons, even the series finale was just plain bad. Roseanne just went along and changed the story for no good reason, other than to inflate her ego. It should have ended with Darlene and David getting married at the end of the 8th season and a mystery with what happened to Dan. Would have made a much more interesting ending.
    I have three all-time favorite sitcoms and Roseanne is and still is one of them. Without question, the first four or five seasons has to go down as one of the best written and acted episodes in TV sitcom history. BUT, with that said, the sharks started swimming around Roseanne's chubby little body when Becky got married to Mark. The period starting with Rodbell's, Becky/Mark conflict and the bikeshop were true classics but as soon as Becky (and Lecy) left the show, the sharks started smelling blood. It was still relevant after that for awhile and I agree that Tom did seem to be there for the show's peak so he should be given some credit. When the new Becky (what a horrible actress...how did she land a job over with Scrubs? Oh whoops...that show jumped, no, f***ed the shark since the first episode) showed up, unfortunately, the great show Roseanne started dancing with the sharks big-time! The episodes from season's five to six were getting more and more weak but still some were good...season seven only showed hints of the great show it use to be, then eighth and finally the ridiculous ninth season finally had Roseanne jumping and f***ing the shark with all her might! The characters we all liked watching because they seemed real had become caricatures of their former selves. The acting had become ridiculous, cartoonish, and unbelievably lazy. The writing was the worst I've ever seen in a sitcom. How can a show that started out so great and had the potential to become one of the greatest fall down so low so badly? I have Roseanne to blame for this...as soon as she took more and more control, the show jumped. The final episode was sort of creative except it seemed like a way to say "hey, I screwed up with the last couple of seasons so here I'm gonna erase it all and kill the spirit of the characters you all love so much!" The final episode should have had the same spirit as the earlier ones...Dan dying was realistic to the essence of the show, but what really should have happened to the other characters? Becky should have dumped Marc, moved back home, and then I don't know what...Darlene and David getting married ok...but a baby and Darlene stuck at home? Too similiar to Becky...Jackie getting pregnant ok but marriage no...loose meat joint? Ridiculous and unrealistic after Dan's failed bikeshop venture...Beverly I hated from the beginning, she should have stayed a minor character like Dan's dad, who's f***ing idea was it for her to become a major one? The last episode should have been Roseanne looking back at her life (showing recollection of past episodes, sort of a "Best Of" show), writing about it, and showing how everyone ends up, some characters having a bad ending some with good ones, like life, which was the show's strongest point, making the storylines and characters so realistic and mirroring lower middleclass families...I still watch the reruns up until the new Becky episodes and the episodes after that and I have Roseanne to thank for the first couple of great seasons and her to thank for throwing the show to the goddamn sharks!!!!!
    This show is symptomatic of what should be another shark category: Too Much Control by a Star. Mad About You and The Nanny are 2 other prime examples. Once Roseanne started becoming a control freak, and taking over the storylines (after Tom Arnold left), the show tanked, crashed, sucked, et cetera. I remember one particular low point where Roseanne was in deep depression, and the family implores her to come out, and she eventually comes out saying "I am an inspiration to all of you..." Not any more....
    That quasi-human plastic surgery look...if you can afford $25,000 in facial surgery, then BUY A NEW COUCH. Although Tom Arnold was part of the problem, I believe that any money-grubbing, semi-talented oaf would have been able to fill our chubby ex-suburban stand-up with delusions of grandeur.
    First of all, I'm a huge fan of the show. I set up a season's pass on Tivo, and re-watched nearly every episode of Roseanne from 1988-97. Let's begin: First of all, the early episodes in which Roseanne, Jackie and her friend all worked at Wellman's plastic were very good. I can't remember the redheaded friend's name, but the fact that she had a husband that was buried alive in concrete sounds not only plausible but quite funny considering their social status. I'll skip around to my favorite shows: The satire making fun of 50's shows, Roseanne & Jackie's Dad die, and a relative calls, "He's no longer with us. He's gone!...He's passed away!...He's DEAD!!!...pause....He's just fine, he'll see you soon"! How funny was that? Then when the kids are playing scrabble. "Bucketdy" Great word! How about when Dan and Roseanne wanted to go out, but Jackie had the monopoly board all ready to play, but no one would play with her! How pathetic, yet humorous! When the original Becky came back, during the outtakes, they had both old and new Becky(s) moving about in front of one another...pure classic. How about the "slippery" kitched floor, where Mark does the ice skating bit? Let's not forget the Halloween episode in which Dan is dressed up like Marie Antoinette and Jackie's head is the decapitated talking skull. Yes, they lost me in the last year, especially with the British humor bits and the Disney stuff, but hands down this is my favorite TV show of all time. Brilliant writing, especially the ending. I hope to see Roseanne again in something soon.
    I think that 3 things made the show (the writing, Sara Gilbert and Laurie Metcalf) and three things detroyed the show (Roseanne's ego, Roseanne's unprofessionalism and Roseanne's relationship with Tom Arnold). The show was my favorite at about the middle of the road, then it just became embarrassingly stupid.
    Who didn't have a baby on the show at the end of their run? I remember this show was so damn good until they made all of them have babies at once it seemed. I'm surprised as hell that DJ didn't knock some chick up and have his baby. This definitely made Roseanne jump the shark.
    This show jumped when they won the lottery and started to do stupid things and when the last episode was about how the entire show was just Roseanne's imagination. The first two or three seasons where great but when Roseanne started getting more bitchy and controlling with her family it started to turn. In the first season the show was about the family and not her always yelling and wanting everything done her way.
    When Sara Gilbert wanted to attend college so Darlene attended college out of state. It was the season Roseanne suddenly got this weird perma-tan. I also thought the story of the Connors was great when they were struggling and realistic- e.g. when Roseanne's mom Bev found out her husband had a mistress. The episode where Roseanne and Jackie take a road trip in the truck to see "the other woman" is a classic- an example of great writing and actual meaning to the family's stories. Compare that with an episode in the last two seasons where Roseanne and Jackie take jobs giving out samples in a supermarket and falling over each other competing for customers. It was pretty sad. You could see the decline the season where there was an issue-of-the-week, e.g. where Jackie got beaten up by her boyfriend...this season was okay, but it became more and more about Roseanne's personal issues and became more and more overdone. The new Becky in the trailer park with Mark and Darlene losing her rebellious attitude showed that the writing had lost touch with the characters' realities. There were sporadic good episodes until the whole thing didn't even have any of Roseanne's angst. Bev and Jackie fighting over the same man? It was strange that the more money they seemed to make (first the loose meat place and then the lottery...) the more the writers lost all good ideas. Maybe they needed the grief.
    A lot of people say that the show jumped when the new Becky showed up, but I think it was more when the old Becky originally left, running off with Mark to get married. This marked the first of the major unbelievable changes in character that kept happening in the show, culminating in half the characters being gay by the last season. Sure, Becky was head over heels for bad-guy Mark, but she still had her head on reasonably straight. After this, the show went downhill with change after change.
    I didn't see the last season of Roseanne when it was on ABC. But recently TBS has been airing those episodes. They're HORRIBLE, not funny one bit. And that one where they were on a train fighting terrorists, I couldn't believe how bad that one was. I was in shock literally. Seasons 1-6 were VERY hilarious. Season 7 had it's moments...but still VERY watchable. Season 8 was kinda bad, but it's to be expected that a show would get bad after being on for 8 years. The 8th year is where they should've ended it, but noooooo...they had to drag it on and ruin the whole series. I hope Roseanne isn't too proud of herself for ruining one of the funniest shows to ever grace television.
    I loved Roseanne's show, too bad she's so insane! she had a great cast and awesome writers until for some reason someone let her run the show and she ran it into the ground and spit on it. her talk show was so sad, tacky and insane. I want to admire her but she needs help, she has great ideas but everything she touches eventually turns to ****. about the show, here's a few major things. besides her amazing turnabout in clothes and hair styles, the constant changing of her and Dan's history. in one early episode Roseanne gives Dan hell for almost getting into a bar fight at the Lobo. she's all like please don't fight, afraid of her tough husband's past. in later episodes she would praise Dan for fighting, justified when he beat up Fisher, but she cheered him on when he wanted to beat up Becky's boss. Another weird switch was Roseanne's baby from a girl to a boy. it was a realisitc move to have Darlene pregnant and her dream's crushed. poor Dan never got to find his place in life, always drifting in jobs, his one chance, his bike shop a failure. just because a show is a sitcom doesn't mean it has to always be funny. the show had a lot of drama, it was convincing and real until they won that damn lottery. it was lagging right around the introduction of the fake Becky, the musical Beckys and the filling up the house of people that didn't really have to be there and all the gay old people. they never really developed DJ much. all of a sudden he wants to be a filmaker how Dawson's Creek. the show had such great supporting cast like Bonnie Sheridan, Roseanne's waitress friend at Rodbell's who was an awesome singer and dated David Crosby! I have to agree about the muddled past of Dan and Roseanne, like John Popper is the guest star so suddenly Dan was in a band. they abandoned Dan's musical talents. the show was only so disappointing in the end because it was so awesome from the start and up until the last season, except for boring Fred, destroying the Jackie character into a comic clown. the kids were real thought,they acted, dressed and looked real, it was great that they had teenaged girls, most sitcom couples have boys. one of the most inspiring moments on Roseanne was were Roseanne quit her job at the Wellman factory. also the credits were very stingy, it's nice that they kept it Connor and Jackie only but Mark and David had way more screen time then Darlene and especially Becky and where only given end credits. the John Popper theme song was cool. but basically roseanne sold out her show for her own interests and concerns and she's a crazy woman. also Dan's mother which was treated with such sensitivety became cheap comedy in the last season. John Goodman is an awesome actor and created an awesome trully memorable man with Dan Connor. Roseanne just believes to much in the theory that she has split personalities.
    Roseanne's dad started out as a loveable oaf who was a comic foil with their mom, then he is portrayed as being a cheating, wife-beating drunk.
    I have been a fan of this show since I was a little girl. I watched it straight up until the very last episode, then sort of forgot about it. I'm just recently getting into it again with the reruns shown on FOX at night. But my vote is going to have to go for winning the lottery. I remember watching that and thinking "oh, look, it's starting to become a Hollywood fantasy show instead of the realistic portrayal of life that I'm used to." I've always admired Roseanne... I think women need more people like her to represent us. Yes, she is loud, boarish, and egotistical... so WHAT! That's why I love her. She doesn't take sh*t from anyone. And she's a big woman and I very rarely (if ever) heard her character on that show complain about her weight or put herself down. I grow so weary of these 120 lb girls on tv shows who do nothing but whine about being "fat." Eh... I'm getting off-track here. Basically I'm just defending Roseanne and this show against the attacks some people have posted here. And what has everyone got against David (Johnny Galecki)? I always liked him. Cute and sensitive. I would have dated him myself. Roseanne's family on that show mirrored my own. We make fun of each other, get mad, laugh, cry, and go through ups and downs just like the show did. There was no Hollywood glitz involved until they won the lottery.
    Not really jumping the shark, but am I the only one that noticed that the very first episode had a different actor playing D.J.? As for the show's downfall, Dan's heart attack was the end. The only thing funny about the final season was Mark. Roseanne's incessant left wing preaching and the incredibly lame plot lines (Jim F**kin' VARNEY???) were practically intolerable. I'd prefer to think that season never happened.
    This show had it's ups and downs (hell, it was on for nine years so of course the quality dwindled), and the lottery plotline was absurd...but why all the criticisms directed toward Tom Arnold? Granted, he never would have gotten involved with the show had he not been married to the star, but face it, his character Arnie was often hilarious and Tom Arnold played him to the hilt. The episode when Arnie returns to Lanford and discovers his ex-wife (Sandra Bernhard) is a lesbian is a classic, largely due to Tom Arnold's hysterically funny reaction to the news. Given the right material, the guy can be an effective comic actor.
    When they won the lottery...Why didn't they move to a bigger...better house instead of remodeling and buying a new couch?
    I stopped watching Roseanne about the time Darlene left for college, so, with the exception of the final episode, I missed all of the **** that everyone has mentioned. No need to re-hash it. All who watched know the various degrees of Connor crap. But before, it was great. Someone explained that the story-line where David moves in was unrealistic because most people would just have called social services. That's true, but I still don't think it was totally unbelievable, as it was written. You have to remember that both Dan and Roseanne were furious that David had been hiding out at their house. Roseanne quickly ushers him out before Dan has a melt down. Upon returning David home, he decides he will go live with his father, which is just wishfull thinking on his part. After his emotionally unstable mother begins verbally and physically abusing him, Roseanne acts on gut instinct, offering the retraction-- "Umm...ok, I change my mind David. You can come stay at our place", while gently pulling him in her direction. That one tiny scene, amidst all of the humor and chaos, was a hundred times more poweful than the jumbled " I was just writting my emotions down on paper" soliloquy in the dreadful final episode.
    Rosanne, when it debuted;was the funniest show of 1987. Some say it was the beginning of the end for the Cosby Show. I might agree with that. It was a finally a show that really portrayed being working class in America(Although they had a messy house, believe it or not most working middle class people keep their houses tidier than that.) Anyway the writing was good, the actors were good, ie: John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf... Roseannne in the early seasons kind of looked like a fish out of water,then she got the hang of acting to a degree. The story lines were realistic, and so forth...Then beginning in the season that was the third to last,everything went bananas...I think roseanne must have told the cast to " Just F**K IT" because everything seemed to fall apart.. First, Jackie went nuts and I mean nuts, then the new becky shows up( BY THE WAY THE NEW BECKY, SARAH CHALKE was ten times hotter looking than that odd looking big butted tom boy Lecy Garrinson...Plus Sarah now has a hit show wheres Lecy? Just wanted to shout that to all the anti Sarah folks.) But the thing that sticks out in my mind is you knew the show was doomed when all the characters started laughing at the jokes. The problem was , the audience wasnt laughing along.
    The last season. That last season was one of the worst dropoffs of a quality show in the history of TV. There was always a few duds in every season of Rosanne, but that last season... whew. That stunk up the joint. The other thing that never set right with me -- when Darelene revealed she was pregnant, the audience applauded. What? That's a good thing? Let's have a teenager get pregnant before she can even move out of the house? Jeez. Teenage pregnancies are nothing to applaud about. This show did have a dose of realism that seperated itself form your typical family sitcoms -- that was what made the show good, but then they had to go straight into the shark's mouth with that last season.
    Let’s face it: this show started inching its way up the ramp when its deluded star began arresting creative control. I’m quite amazed that with all of the backstage drama throughout its 8-year run the quality was as good as it was for as long as it was. The show probably peaked around the 3rd or 4th season when its portrait of a financially struggling blue-collar family was at its most exacting. It coasted for a couple of years and then began its jump w/the beginning of Roseannes make-over years and coincidentally or not, the departure of the original Becky. I can’t quite remember when Roseanne started to think she could be the next Elle Macpherson but I don’t think it helped the show at all. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying it was a bad thing that she lost weight and got some surgery, but her character and demeanor seemed to change in direct proportion to how much surgery and weight she lost. She did seem to gain self-confidence from this and her acting improved but I kind of liked Roseanne less self-assured with her comic delivery a little off-kilter. Let’s not even discuss the whole winning the lottery thing. This has got to be one of the worst(if not the worst) changes in direction of a popular show ever. I can almost picture the gaping mouths of her staff frozen in incredulity after Roseanne threw this idea out at the pitch meeting. What the hell was she thinking?! For her sake, I hope it was drugs but unfortunately, I don’t think this was the case. All that said, this show would have been nowhere w/out the talents of John Goodman & Laurie Metcalf. They were, imo, the mvp’s of the show. I also loved Sara Gilbert and her wonderfully dry line readings. Anyway, a fine show ruined by yet another star whose ego seemed to inflate in direct proportion to her success.
    They seemingly jumped the shark on a weekly basis. From character changes, to break ups, to homosexuality, to character fights, to the annual dreadful Halloween episodes, to Roseanne's weight loss, I don't think there was a shark they DIDN'T jump with this show. Roseanne used to say the the reason people hated her was because she was "white trash with money". The truth is that people hated her because she consistently put on a bad show, week after week.
    Well Roseanne started out pretty mediocre. But the show kept getting funnier and funnier by the season up until about season 5 when the show peeked at it's hilarity. Season 6 although still hilarious saw a huge dip quality, mainly because of the new Becky. Season 7 saw the exit of the reason why the show stayed funny for so many years (Tom Arnold). I truly believe that Roseanne could've remained just as funny if Roseanne the person would've stepped back and not stuck her 300lbs self into every aspect of production. But for 3 or 4 seasons this was the funniest thing on television.
    Roseanne Jumped when they turned Jackie (Laurie Metcalf) into a complete moron! Jackie was the best character on tv until the 6th or 7th season. Oh and by the way Tom Arnold is NOT funny!
    This show bypassed the shark and headed straight for the bottom feeders the minute some addle brained exec thought to cast a mediocre one-joke stand-up comedian in the lead. "Grossanne" epitomized the most disagreeable low-life elements of stereotypical trailer park trash. Giving her her own forum, then fawning over her repulsive behavior as if she were the most wonderful person on TV ranks as one of America's most questionable acts. She claims people hate her because she's "white trash with money"; I would find her repugnant whether she were filthy (perfect adjective) rich or flat broke. It's just that, being rich, we had to put up with her on TV giving us such decorous images as scratching her crotch in front of God and country like the town slut. As for her "self-confidence" after surgery, there's a line between self-confidence and obnoxious arrogance. This surgery merely pointed out the hypocrisy of a woman, supposedly proud of her "domestic goddess" looks, who comes into money. To paraphrase Moms Mabley: you shouldn't speak of the dead unless it's good. This show is dead. Good.
    Hey, I actually thought Roseanne's screeching of the national anthem was triumphantly heroic. She diminished this falsely-authoritative symbol that Americans unquestioningly and foolishly find sacred. When the news reported it, call-in viewers were crying HYSTERICALLY because she tarnished something so "meaningful." Good. Serves them right for being so goddamn stupid, and for thinking that there is strength and pride to be found in something that blatantly celebrates the subordination of the individual to a herd mentality. I'm glad she wrecked that song to bits. It's just what it deserved. And the whole event was good entertainment too. It was so inappropriate, but yet she mutilated something that should hold no meaning for any individual with an independent mind. In my book, it was a glorious hot California July day in 1990 at that Padres game. Besides, the Padres won, and they should be kissing her ass because the only day they ever won a goddamn game was the day she went down to San Diego and sang to them. The author of this site has it very, very wrong when he said the show went downhill right after the "star-spangled banner" fiaso. Very wrong, indeed. The fact is, the show immediately dropped from #1 to #3 (not a real dent in the show's success at all). And a year later, it went to #2. The year after that it was #2 again. The year after that it went to #4, and then #8. And then it went to #16, and then #32, and there was a huge reason for that drop-off. It was the goddamn baby plotline. Not Jackie's baby, but Roseanne's baby. Completely unnecessary. A lot of people like to think that it JTS when they won the lottery, but it happened way before that. It really happened the moment Roseanne became pregnant in the 7th season. Sure, there have been about 15 good episodes since then, but that's nothing when it's out of 60 shows. Especially in the 8th season after she had the baby, the show became excruciatingly tedious and tiresome. When the Connors won the lottery, it became utterly and completely unwatchable. So, the show's star did two very distinct things for this show. She helped make it the funniest show on TV for about 5 five years (from seasons 2-7, especially 4-6), and she also single-handedly destroyed this show starting in the 7th season (coincidentally, after Tom Arnold left, although I do not think he is funny at all). The show did not decline because of plastic surgery or because of Becky #2 or because of Sara Gilbert's departure. It was the baby plotline that killed it. Just remember, for those of you who enjoyed this show, it may have ended a most disastrous death because of its star's ego, but there would never have been a good show in the first place without the show's star. I recognize that John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf and Sara Gilbert were better actors than her, but she ran such a tight ship as a producer up until the 7th season, that that is why the writing and the lighting and so forth were the most commendable elements to this show for many many years. She wanted the writers' blood, and that's what she got, and we all got a really great show from that for many years. Of course, the last two years (especially the lottery plotline) puts the show's legacy behind Cosby's on many critics' lists, which is a goddamn shame. Because it simply not true that if you take Cosby's 4 best years and put them against Roseanne's 4 best years, it just doesn't match up. Cosby always sucked. Roseanne, at least, had a few superb years. And there's a reason that show knocked Cosby out of the #1 spot.
    The show TOTALLY changed when the original Becky left, but I still loved it...until the won the lottery; they lost me there. The early years when the kids are young & they are a struggling working class family made it my favorite show of all time. The kids grew up, too many people came & left & it started getting very lame the last 2 years.
    Okay, so forget the 2 Becky's and the last season. This show started off cute, then grew into one of the greatest, well written sitcoms of all time. To people who gripe that it jumped the shark from day one, you obviously just hate Roseanne or you only saw a couple of early episodes. There were so many multi-layered characters and relationships. Roseanne and Jackie's love/hate relationship with their mother, Darlene's brooding mood which lasted years. This show didn't try to moralize and it presented characters in situations that felt real. Dan going to Becky's job at the Buy & Bag to punch out her manager who called her bad names (but found Mark had already done so); Roseanne taking Jackie back to the apartment she shared with Fisher to move out after we find out he was physically abusing her; Roseanne's father's affair; D.J. cutting school and Roseanne punishing him not by grounding him, but by paying a visit to his school dressed as a hayseed with bright red lipstick. Most of the time it was funny, sometimes painful but rarely unwatchable. My only real problem with the show (other than last season) was that Roseanne's character went from being grumpy but loving to downright mean and sometimes childish. You know what? This show was brilliant and should be given credit for the 90% of the good shows they gave us and not focus on one bad season.
    I have always hated Roseanne. It's a horrible show and I don't care if it's suppost to portray the 90's "American" family. There pigs Roseanne and Dan are lazy bums who never get off there fat lazy asses. All Roseanne does is complain. The whole show should have been cancelled from day one.
    The switching of the actress in the role of Becky in my opinion was the "Shark Jump". Although you know it's only a sitcom you still feel like you have time invested in the charachters. But this show was still one of the best working class sitcom's of all time. Regardless of it's flaws the first 4 or 5 seasons were excellent. The Conner's were like the Cleaver's on acid!
    When Darlene left for college the show seemed to loose something special. Sara Gilbert's absense was too obvious from most episodes.
    I read all these comments and very little is said about Dan Connor. John Goodman is my favorite actor. He was the funniest person on the entire show. He some how put up with Roseanne and managed to deal with the kids and roseanne's ridiculous family and still seem like he was a lucky guy. he would never have cheated on roseanne in california, that was ridiculous, and i can't even think about the fact that he died on the last episode it is just too sad.
    When Becky changed, when DJ got more lines, when they won the lottery, when Roseanne's boss/friends/whoever else was around at the time became the co-stars, a sudden homosexual approach to a backwards suburbia, Dan dies, Roseannes a writer, Darlene becomes soft, Jackies an idiot rather than neurotic, Dan isn't around enough (he made the show), Becky comes BACK (although the line 'where the hell have you been, seems like you've been gone for three years' was surpisingly clever and on the ball) and the final episode .. the last season was just her imagniation. Well, fantastic.
    For me Roseanne jumped when she was kissed by a hot looking lesbian at a gay bar. I mean the dyke is hot looking and she makes a move on Roseanne? I didn't think Lanford had that much beer! All that aside I used to really enjoy this show when it portrayed a realistic working class family, as in annoying family members, money trouble, unruly kid's etc,etc. It just became way to bizzare. And that kid who played DJ was well on his way to becoming some sort of creepy man/child. It just seemed to veer to far from it's original concept and story line. But you still can't beat the first few seasons.
    I agree that the show JTS with the lottery/last season. But for the first several seasons it ranks among the most innovative sitcoms on TV. The series was the 'anti-Huxtables' -- a true and accurate portrayal of lower-middle class America. Interestingly, during the first season, you will note that Rosaeanne does not act so much as does her sand-up schtick. However, in later seasons, she comes into her own as a decent actress. I agree that Dan is overlooked as a character. But the supporting actors were so well chosen and written (up until the last seasons): Bev was annoying, but you can see why Roseanne became such an in-your-face woman. And Bev would have the perfect persoanlity to avoid dealing with her husband's affair all those years. And if you wanted Nana Mary to be a proto-Roseanne, who better than Shirley Winters! inspired! Darlene mood adolescence was well done, not often seen on TV. I espceially liked the parade of friends sho came and went -- Bonnie, Crystal, the next door neighbor who did not like Roseanne. The show also portrayed the Connors has having both black and white friends, and it never became 'an issue' or a source of jokes. It just was. Bravo to her for that!
    The only time this show jumped was the final season. But up until then this was a great show. It was as somebody already pointed out The Anti-Huxtables.These people were a lot more realistic as a middle class family than the politically currect yuppy feces that are the Huxtables. I mean these people dressed like everyday middle class people. As opposed to the nerd gear The Cosby crew wore. They did normal middle class things like bowling. You think any of the prissy Huxtables would be caught dead in a bowling alley? And they hung out in a bar or a burger joint not some Über-trendy coffee house or some jazz club to watch grandpa #1,957,342 lip synching along to (insert old blues musician here).
    Everyone is saying winning the lottery is when the show jumped the shark, but I'm not even familiar with that episode- I stopped watching before that. I didn't like the flavor of the show when all the characters' personalities started doing 180's. Roseanne went from being jokingly sarcastic, always on the verge of a smile, to being just plain nasty. It was around the time the horrible new Becky moved back in with Mark. Roseanne was always snapping at everyone. Becky totally changed (didn't the writers know that just because an actor changes, that doesn't mean the CHARACTER is supposed to change, also?) She went from being smart to being a total bimbo, giving up on school, working at Hooters and thinking it's great, and living in a trailer and thinking that's great, too. Jackie also turned into a total psycho. I also didn't like the annoying supporting characters that were taking over the show- the mother, Fred, Mark, Nancy, Leon (although he was cool when he was just Roseanne's boss who happened to be gay, when she worked at the diner.) But later, when everyone and their grandmother was gay, it got really old. Even Roseanne's wardrobe got unrealistic- I remember one episode where she was wearing some trendy dress and combat boots- what middle-aged woman in Lanford Illinois would wear combat boots, except maybe on Halloween? The relationship between Dan and Roseanne totally changed, too. It's like they weren't even married anymore. They were both doing their own things, and didn't seem to be PARTNERS. I remember thinking, over and over "Why does he stay with her? She's so awful to him, and everyone around her." She seemed to have developed this attitude of "I'm so wonderful and important and I rule the lives of everyone I know, and I'm their queen," forgetting that she's just a lower-middle-class, small-town housewife. I think this was her Hollywood ego infiltrating her character. At the beginning, she was white trash, and she knew it, and always joked about it. Basically, everything that made the show special when it began was gone long before it ended.
    Has everyone forgotten that the Devil tried to steal Darlene's baby? When the devil becomes a character then the shark has surely been jumped.
    ok. Roseanne and her family is on this train and they get hijacked by a group from some sexist country that make their women not talk. They keep Roseanne's family in a different room on the train and Roseanne goes to find them. She puts on camo pants, a top in which you see too much cleavage and too much large pale stomach, boots, and a bandana. She goes and attacks the hijackers by throwing hot hair curlers at them and shooting tampons at then like blow darts. If that isn't jumping the shark, what is?
    I stopped watching this show during its original airing shortly after the second Becky showed up, but I saw all of the rest of the episodes on reruns recently. Every time I thought I'd seen it all, it just got worse. First, there was second Becky. Bringing the character back was a fine idea, but the new actress was all cheerful and perky. The original Becky was sullen and had a caustic wit which played well along with both Roseanne's and Darlene's sarcasm. Then came the loose meat place, Jackie's marriage and baby, Roseanne's baby, and the dual kiss of death--the lottery and Darlene's baby. As others have pointed out, the lottery totally derailed the shows theme of a struggling working class family. Also, when Roseanne's mother became a weekly character it was horrible. She is so irritating it is not even comedic. Darlene, the cynic and only hope for the family, having a baby just put the icing on the cake. And the melodramatic, saccharin sweet episode where the baby is dying and the Connor's millions can't save it is just sickening.
    This show jumped the shark when Jackie got beaten up by her boyfriend and all of the characters began to act mean...that's when the show became a supposed drama, and it led to Becky getting married, and Roseanne getting pregnant...and a whole host of other problems
    It already started to suck. But having harmonica assassin John Popper do the theme song and appear on the show sealed it's fate in JTS history.
    This show has had more jump's than I can count. I mainly agree that the "Lottery" season was just pitiful. This show started out so good that's what's such a damn shame about it all. One show in particular that always bugged me was the one were"Ziggy" Dan's hell razin buddy (who up till now was never even so much as mentioned) comes to town to try get Dan back to his old knock em down piss on the wall self. Cut me a break the character was never before then portrayed as anything but a High School football jock who had a little rowdy streak in him and married young. So this guy wants to get Dan to rebuild his Harley that is in pieces all over the garage floor (that also bothered me why was it taken apart for no reason?) And in two weeks it is restored to show quality! please I myself have restored a car (69 Charger) and know from experience how long and expensive a project like that is. I mean weren't they supposed to be living from paycheck to paycheck at that point? All of a sudden Dan pulls a few thousand dollars out of his ass!! Anyway that episode always bugged me. Martin Mull was the only saving grace towards the end.
    Roseanne jumped the shark once Roseanne got that damn plastic surgery. I'm sorry, but for me, the show totally lost its small-town charm which made the earlier seasons so good. Though, this is still one of the greatest TV shows of all time.
    Everyone hates the final season, but I think that the end of the penultimate season was where Roseanne turned it from a very good sitcom into something approaching the epitome of 90s postmodern art. Dan has a heart attack. The season ends with an enormous row and he walks out. Then they win the lottery, and the series does seem to go down the toilet. Only for the series finale to rescue it magnificently with the revelation that none of it really happened, Dan died and Roseanne's character made it all up. Yeah, let's see Friends try and pull this one off.
    Pregnancy, Pregnancy, Pregnancy. Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay. Roseanne having a kid with PLATINUM blonde hair, and Jackie's new short haircut, plus the continuous switching of Beckys, (what the hell happened to Lecy Goranson? Did she take steroids or what?) John Goodman's goatee, winning the lottery and let's not forget adding words and computer morphing images to the theme song, plus Roseanne fancying herself a WRITER, made this the most memorable shark-jumping ever.
    I never liked this show. I mean Roseanne is just not very funny. Never has been and never will be. I have to admit the show had a working-class charm until they won the lottery in the final season. It got harder to watch than a Whoopi Goldberg movie. I remember one episode in particular, when the whole "family" was gathered together, it may have been Thanksgiving. Roseanne was wearing this slinky black dress with a plunge neckline and very little back. She lost weight, but who did she see when she looked in the mirror, Catherine Zeta Jones? I wanted to gouge my eyes out. And to top it off in the same episode, Roseanne's mom turns out to be gay. Of course she was gay, she was the only Republican character on the show and everybody in Hollywood knows that all Republicans have something in the closet that they are overcompensating for! All in all, a disasterous ending for an overrated show.
    The lottery, of course, is the most blatant shark jump. And I have to admit that's probably when the show technically hit the water. But for me, Roseanne soured a lot earlier than that. When Darlene got pregnant, specifically. I just couldn't watch anymore. I felt betrayed. Darlene was the one character I could actually relate to, the one who seemed like she had something better ahead of her. Then she got knocked up and married David (DAVID for Christ sake!), and I lost all respect for her. All that character developement, gone. I mean, the girl managed to get herself into college a year early, on scholarship. She can't remember to pop a pill?
    I love this website! But I would like to make a proposition to it's moderators. I would like to see a new category, especially for sitcoms. Call it 'The Sydication Syndrome'. Network sitcoms don't make real money unless they get into syndication, that takes at least 100 episodes or 4 full seasons. Once that happens, everyone associated with the program gets their royalties, and is just 'marking time'. No program in the history of US television is a better example of this than ABC' "Roseanne" (1988-'97). I was 12 when it started in October of '88 and I loved it from the start! Smart, sassy, funny, fun, anti-establishment and totally believable! The tornado episode, the one with the dead salesman, Darlene's poem at school and the one that introduces us to Roseanne's parents, all come to mind as favorites. In fact, the '88-'89 was probaply TOO good...it was downhill form there, albiet very slowly. "Roseanne" commits nearly every JTS cliche and ended as one of the worst major sitcoms, for me it was very hard to watch! A previous poster made the point about Tom Arnold's departure actually HURT the show, and I agree! I'm NO FAN of him, but Mr. Arnold helped keep the show 'grounded' and Roseanne's enormous ego in check. When he left around 1992, there was absolutely no one to stop Roseanne, and what did she do...? 1) Those damn Healy brothers were a problem. Mark was a bum and David a total wuss, (what DID Darlene ever see in him?!). 2) There were WAAAAAAY too many new characters from David, Mark, Leon, Fred, Fisher, Bev, Nancy (etc) who became major players instead of keeping the more original ones (Dwight, Crystal, Booker, etc.). 3) Puberty was a real problem with Darlene. She went from a charming tomboy to some kind of 'new aged gothic/nihilist'. I know many fans love that, but I found her very repellent, (and what DID David ever see in her anyway?). I realized by 1993, even though there were some good episodes, the glory days were long gone. I stopped watching regularly in 1995-I caught the final episode though, which did restore SOME dignity to show's status. 4) I thought DJ was underused, maybe because Michael Fishman doesn't rekindle fond memories of Ron Howard, but I would have liked to have seen more of him. 5) Everyone complains about Sara Chalke as Becky #2, but the real problem was bringing Lecy Goranson BACK, in '95 (?)! That was fatal for me! 6) There were just too many 'ridiculous' episodes, especially a weird obsession with Halloween. 7) The baby, Jerry Garcia Conner. 8) What was the obsession with being gay anyway? And I haven't mentioned the lottery! The first four seasons ('88-'92) were/are the best. "Roseanne" was COMEDY, not Commentary! If I want the latter, I'll watch the "McGlaughlin Group" Many other popular sitcoms have suffered from the 'syndie syndrome' ("Cosby", "Home Improvement", "Family Ties") But "Roseanne" took the cake...evidently, a lot of it!
    DEFINITELY when Roseanne hit the lottery ... UGH! The whole original appeal and premise of the show was her blue-collar family humor. Uh, it's not too funny when the rest of us are watching some uber-annoying bitch spend tons of money we don't have on stupid-ass crap! The fact that she does so in real life as well made it all the more irritating!
    "Roseanne" hit the rocks when Rosie (as Dan lovingly referred to her) had "Little Jerry".
    When Jackie and Fred split up. By that point, the old Becky came back, Mark continued to get dumber, and everyone was grasping at straws. The lottery episodes were no help. Roseanne jumping around in a bra and sweatpants?!!! eeeyew!
    The whole idea of Roseanne was that it was about ordinary Americans! How's it meant to make you feel better about your rubbish life if even Roseanne and her trailer park family can redecorate twice a year. This sucks!
    Roseanne ramped up to the final, spectacular shark jump of winning the lottery - the show had progressively declined as the egotistical real-life Roseanne could no longer handle pretending to be a member of the working class. I found Darlene's pregnancy to be a disappointment, but it was not particularly unrealistic. As for the new Becky, I thought that she was more believable as a wife for Mark than the original Becky, but perhaps that was the problem. Certainly whenever the original Becky returned to the role she acted as if someone had ruined her life while she wasn't paying attention. BTW, I did really like the final intro with everyone morphing through their changes over the years, and thought including both actresses as Becky was funny.
    The whole reason the Connors won the lottery because the writers were spent. It was a last-ditch effort. They did a fine job up until then. One of the best sitcoms of the last 25 years including Cheers and Seinfeld.
    Really. Rosanne's mom was just another horrible character on this horrible show. The whole series hung in mid-air over the shark from beginning to end. But the mom coming out of the closet as a lesbian? What were the writers thinking?
    I quit watching before the lottery, the pregnancies, etc. It just got stupid - I suppose about the time that they had the loose meat restaurant. What is loose meat anyway?? And the owner with the blonde hair and glasses - can't remember his name. I just quite watching it. And it had been one of my favorite shows in the beginning. I loved Roseanne's humor at times such as, "It's my job to embarrass you," she says to her kids. Then I used that line myself. HA! It was also hard watching Tom Arnold - he couldn't hold a candle to Dan. I's watch the reruns if there were any at least the first couple of years. I got a kick out of the conversation Roseanne had with Becky about "that guy Darrin on Bewitched" on how they changed the actor who played him. How stupid was that?
    This show was great because it wasn't a typical sitcom; sharp, sarcastic, clever writing and delivery from a great cast, with realistic (mostly) situations. Then it started to slide when Tom Arnold became a major character, and went to hell when the lottery thing happened. I just saw the episode where Jackie and Mark went to see wrestling. Jackie was always a solid character who, while unsure of what she wanted to do, always was sure of herself and managed to remain an admirable woman. In this episode, she is portrayed as a moron with a butch appearance who is attends a wrestling match and (gee, what a surprise) winds up in the ring, rolling her eyes like Lucy while being mauled by a gargantuan opponent. I was shocked when I saw it; the writing and the performances were SO bad. Anyone who disagrees with me should watch the pilot episode, then this one. The performers in this show, especially Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman (Oscar-worthy in The Big Lebowski) deserve much, much better.
    Roseanne fell into the syndication trap that haunts so many great shows, most shows get to 100 eps before the studios start syndicating them, then the problems start - the original creators/producers cash in on the syndication deal and jump ship to new ventures leaving junior writers in charge - even so, these writers CAN maintain a level of quality, until they themselves are offered creative deals by studios leaving the show in the hands of writers who were never there to begin with, if a show makes it past 7 seasons, it is very likely that they will have had to renegotiate the contracts of the star cast (typically these are initially 5 year deals) and in the process they will have handed some creative control over to the actors (The widely recognized "Alan Alda Syndrome") This control usually spells the end of the program as you knew it - look at all the quality shows that made it past 7 years - some of them like MASH or Seinfeld seemed to inexplicably change yet still remain popular to the masses, other, less fortunate shows like Murphy Brown and yes, Roseanne Implode due to poor storylines and digruntled cast members vacating. My solution would be to put a five year time limit on these shows. If you look at Roseanne, It started off well enough, it's first 2 seasons had their moments, but the presence of George Clooney kept it from being truly great! The 3rd season saw them pick up steam (I love the episode where Roseanne quits her job to go with Dan to Vegas and their plane gets stuck in a snowstorm!) and the 4th season was their slam dunk year (the episode where the neighbour's house get done over by the GoodWill guys is an all time classic!). By Season 5, Roseanne had seemed to have had plastic surgery but they still managed to keep a good quality, the biggest episode that year had to have been 'Wait 'till your Father Gets Home" when Roseanne's father died, no sitcom has been able to strike such a tightrope balance between humour and sensitivity before or since. Of Course Season 5 was also the beginning of the end with special guest stars (Tim Curry, Joan Collins), Gay Outing No #2 (Nancy), Regular Cast Members Leaving (Lecy Goransen), and the whole Loose Meat resteraunt thing (I don't know what 'Loose Meat' is either, and I don't think I wanna find out!) Season Six saw an upswing in the Writing Quality with episodes like "A Stash from the Past" (The Pot Smoking Episode), "The Drivers Seat" (With the COPS Parody at the end!) and "I Pray the Lord My Stove to Keep" (Where they find out that DJ is religious!). Still this season brought back Becky (played by another actress - who incidentally was better that the original! But I can see how it pissed a lot of people off - I thought they it worse by bringing back the original one in season 8!). Also this season opened the flood gates for Lanford to become the Gay Mecca of the Midwest, not that there's anything wrong with that, but compare Dan's poker buddies and Roseanne's factory friends from the early seasons to the crowd they started hanging out with in season six and you'll get the point a lot of people have been making, it seemed like activism rather than good storytelling! Season Seven has alot of my favourite episodes from David's erotic dreams over Roseanne to DJ Beating on David, however there were a lot of VERY SPECIAL EPISODES, The DJ/Racism episode, Bev's drinking, and Fred & Jackie's break-up by which time it was becoming unwatchable, the season ended with a STUPIFYING homage to Gilligan's Island - that spelt the end for me. Season 8 pulled the old "becky switch" a second time, gave us a Gay Wedding (actually the season's funniest episode!), a Trip to Disney World (Why???) and one of the worst continuity gaffes ever by changing the sex of Roseanne's baby to match her real-life infant. that was exact point where the makers of this show had lost respect for the fans and it cost them dearly - after some of season 7s slip-up they still could have kept it respectable, but after the Halloween/Birth episode almost every writing decision made was wrong, the lottery, Dan's illness/absence/affair, the "Roseambo" episode (Yes that's what it was titled!) and the bizzare finale which seemed to be competing for the "Goodbye, Farewell, Amen" Award for worst sitcom series finale ever, Man Alive Watch the first Five Season's with Pride, the sixth if you can stick with it, and maybe the first half of the seventh (right up to the Clip Show) after that abandon ship! shark infested waters!
    Yeah hands down the lottery season for the jump point! What a shame because I used to really love this show. But when the charachters didn"t stay true to themselves you kinda felt betrayed. I mean Dan running off with another women and everyone becoming gay get real. But when it was funny it was funny as hell! Favorite lines Roseannne to Leon after not seeing each other for a while. Roseanne: "Why Leon youv'e lost weight" Leon: "Yes and youv'e lost teeth". Another classic was a clip show with all the old sitcom Mother's. June Cleaver saying "Reefer?" was priceless and Roseanne's reply "Go ask Eddie Haskell".
    I found it spotty for quite awhile but buying the loose meat palace added characters and changed the complexion of the show. Roseanne still had some pretty funny moments after that but it was the turning point that lead to the death knell of winning the Lottery.
    I think "Roseanne", at its peak, was one of the most brilliant TV series ever made. It was funny, real, and had one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled. I have to admit that its last few years were flawed. The Roseanne-directed Halloween episode with Baby Jerry was the first time I noticed a change. Even though character changes and the lottery plot took away the integrity of the show's peak years, I still laughed at most of the episodes. By that time I was so in love with the show and the cast, I was willing to forgive a lot. I like the uber-wacky Jackie of the last few seasons and I took the lottery plot as a fun way to wind down, slipping into surrealism and standing the characters and the premise on their heads. The Halloween episode with the AbFab ladies was fun. It was like every episode was a Halloween episode. Turning it all into the plot of Roseanne's book in the finale was a cop-out, and there were some unfunny episodes. I just think the show has become undervalued because of Roseanne's off-screen antics.
    With Becky and Darlene gone, they could only go so far with the "DJ is werid" stories (which were more than exhausted). The writers must have thought it would be a great idea if three of the remaining characters changed completely. Dan became spineless and stupid while Jackie turned into an absolute basket case. Meanwhile, Roseanne became abusive. The whole point of this show was to tell the awful truth about how real families are. I've been living on Earth for a while and I've never seen grown men who are related to one another talk about their sex lives (Dan, Mark, and Fred). I've never seen a woman not want to be in a realtionship with a man who treats her like a queen (Jackie). I've never seen a woman willing to plan a gay wedding for her boss, whom she hates, or flash her neighbors who happen to be "like 112." (Roseanne) The show was just absurd in the last few seasons, and season nine was by far the worst. Though I must admit that the final episode was a wonderful return to what the show really was in the beginning. True, in the final fifteen minutes, it did seem a desperate attmept to "explain" the stupid story lines of the past year, but Roseanne talking about losing herself in her writing in order to cope with the events of the previous year made sense. Still, I'm not sure the finale, sweet as it was, made up for Roseanne battling terrorsits or Darlene giving birth to Satan's baby.
    I'm SHOCKED that Roseanne has inspired so much debate and controversy! (smile). I first saw her on Carson and on a fast food commercial and thought, "this broad is funny but she's too REAL for America--at best she'll be a cult figure". Then I was thrilled that she co-created a show about working class people that didn't condescend to them (Good Times being the only such show prior to this--though they jumped big time). I admit I was a bit jealous--a stage-trained actor, a I bristle a bit when stand up comedians get a show and then proceed to prove what bad actors they are (Roseanne and Seinfeld--yeah I said it) to name two. But Roseanne had good scripts, and Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman (who, lets face it CARRIED the show season one). Boy did this show GROW--and ROseanne with it. Edgy (for TV), gritty, funny, in your face, and FAMILIAR. What a contrast to those whitebread cutouts that passed for families in the 80s (Family Ties, Growing Pains-yeck). I couldn't wait to visit this family every week and I deeply cared about what happened to them (even the ones I wasn't crazy about--like Darlene). And I liked Lecy Goranson--I thought she had the 'working class princess' bit down to a T! And I also loved that--in the early years anyway--the show made MAJOR political points without ever sacrificing quality storytelling. There's nothing worse than hearing a sermon in a sitcom--even when you agree with the content of the sermon. But I have to agree with many of you: somewhere along the line ROseanne (like Michael, Madonna and far too many other people) started thinking she was more important to the culture than she really was. And then this show began its long, slow, painful decline. The second Becky SUCKED (tho the Patty Duke and Darrin bits were priceless) and she and the wonderful Glenn Quinn (who sadly died in an accident, I recently learned) never had the chemistry he and Goranson had, Darlene's nihilism got boring and tired, David started off interesting (and cute) and then devolved from a character to a walking idea, I LOVED that Leon was gay and we found out AFTER WE GOT TO KNOW HIM--just as often happens in real life, but I hated when he & Rosie became buddies, and I detested Estelle 'cant remember her last name' Grandma. Whoever wrote that episode with Leon & his lover and Grandma and hers singing should have thier union card permanently revoked (tho Ruta Lee was great). The terrorists, the babies, Fred (cute but superfluous), Sandra Bernhard (barf), Traci Lords (how many truly talented actresses would have done anything EXCEPT drop their panties to appear on this hit show), and the killer--Dan becoming a recurring character--there were NO 'classic' episodes without him and finally, that last season and I have to agree with most of you--the wrap-up was a copout! Yes, theoretically it was a valid artistic choice, it was just poorly executed and I did feel cheated. Some classic episodes, from DJ not wanting to kiss the little Black girl to Death of a Salesman that I never get tired of. This was a classic example of JTS: A once great--sometimes groundbreaking show became so much ego-inflated pap.
    This show definately jumped the shark with the last season. The whole winning the lottery stuff was just so unbelieveable and so not funny. I watch reruns of the show all the time, but when they start showing the last season I turn off the t.v.. This use to be the funniest and most realistc show on television. The last season should have never happened.
    Everyone knows it was the episode where they won the lottery and every episode there after. Even smart independent woman make mistakes so I can almost buy Darlene getting pregnant, but you did see the shark preparing to jump right around her pregnancy and marriage.
    Roseanne was *never* funny. Like a lot of shows, they used mean-spiritedness instead of humor, encouraging us to laugh in glee at characters abusing each other. Oh, and it was also painfully PC.
    it wasn't the new becky that made it jump, she was ok, it was the fact that after she married mark and she turned into a part of the scenery that wrecked it.
    The show jumped a little the first time when Roseanne got all the plastic surgery. She was far more appealing beforehand. The next would have to be when they cast the godawful "new Becky" and decided to have her whine all the time. Obviously the show was ruined when they won the lottery. It became ridiculously self indulgent. Until than the show was a masterpiece. Brilliant comedic work particulaly by Lori Metcalf. Whoever says Roseanne is a bad tv mom is leaving in a fantasy world. That show had the most honest intrepretation of a family whether we want to admit it or not. Just because she was crass, didn't mean she didn't love them.
    I think the show jumped the shark when they brought back the original "Becky!" I know that is unpopular, but I think Ms. Chalke is a much better actress, plus she looks(ed) much more like a girl who would attract a "Mark" (was that his name, or was Mark the other boy...ah, who cares?)than the original Becky. Original Becky was much too prim and proper looking and acting to throw everything away on basically a looser boyfriend. It just wasn't believable!
    Obviously the 'new becky' sucked. 'Nuff said. All went to **** after that. And didn't that D.J kid claim Rosanne made him run around in his underwear?
    It turned into a soap opera, then all of a sudden DJ was beating to laundry catalog, Darlene and Dave's relationship go up and down, up and down, Jackie gets pregnant by by Fred, then they get married, then split. Then the last season where they win the lottery, everyone becomes scum, and Dan starts cheating, and it was all just a dream, most of the things that happened in season 7 didn't even happen, and some of the other things that happened in the previous seasons didn't really happen, it was all just a joke on us. Shame on you Roseanne, you make Al Bundy look like Ward Cleaver.
    I felt so sorry for John Goodman, He is such a really good actor with the helping of all of his films (King Ralph, Babe, The Big Lebowski, Monsters Inc. etc.)he runs up being cast as Dan on one of the most overrated sitcoms of the late 80s and all the characters inclulding that loud-mouth annoying bitch name Roseanne are just bunch of morons who keep treating him like crap. He is of course the only character that is funny. But when his character had a heart attack and then had a fight with Roseanne. That was the moment on how John Goodman really didn't want to play that kind of character and the show really stunk from there. I swear he should have never sign up and made that lousy show canceled and thank god it finally did in 1997. He knew he hated the show so much that he just want to focused on his movies that are really good and alot better than this lousy show. Thank goodness he finally relief now.
    Roseanne never did! The last season were dreams and wishes. You aren't supposed to care when Lecy Goranson (becky conner/healy 1) in real life left for college. What would you have done if you were the producer? Cut her out? . Its just another face playing the same girl. When darlene is pregnant it is to show that she may have been a tomboy but she could find a sweet guy to spend the rest of her life with. Roseanne started in the late eighties so of course it is crazy if you lived in the eighties it was a huge party. This is based on real stuff. I know a family just like Roseanne and they really do care but are just too busy.They are always pregnant to keep action in the story because other wise it would have just been Darlene and David kissing. Roseanne let David move in because she thought about it in a second so she didnt have time to think it through but she didn't let Darlene and David in a bedroom by themselves it later reveals.
    I think Roseanne jumped the shark when they recasted Becky. When the original Becky left in Season 5, the show was still good, and the first few episodes in Season 6 were good too until they got the new Becky. She was just too fake and couldn't act. She wasn't needed, the show was doing fine without her. But the show still was tolerable up until Season 8. Season 7 was pushing it, especially with Darlene going out with that one guy Jimmy and her not living in the house anymore. Everyone just seemed out of character in the later seasons. Seasons 1-5 were the best, the ones with the original Becky. When the original Becky came back in Season 8, the only episodes that were good were the ones with her in them. And what was up with Jackie acting all crazy in the last few seasons? The lottery episode was actually really funny and wasn't that bad, but then it just went downhill with the fantasies and with Dan in hardly any episodes. The show just became cartoonish. Married with Children turned cartoonish too, but those were actually funny and good. Roseanne is my favourite show but some episodes, I can't bear to watch. And why was everyone becoming gay and getting pregnant? Darlene being pregnant was dumb and the wedding was dumb too, although I liked Dan having his heart attack, although it was sad. And the last episode was probably the only good episode in Season 9, it was so sad and interesting. So, when the new Becky came, was when it jumped the shark! IMO
    I was smart,when this show was originally on ABC I stopped watching it at the end of the 8th season after Dan and Roseanne's fight when Roseanne destroys the living room and breaks Dan's TV set and Dan calls Roseanne a "controlling bitch" and walks out on her,I was horrified after that and I realized the show would never be the same after that,of course I was right! I can proudly say I've never seen the 9th season[though I saw 1 episode with the wonderful Heather Matarazzo on TBS]and I'm glad I missed it! Roseanne definitely let her ego take over this show,she should never have divorced Tom Arnold,or at least she should have kept him on the show as a creative consultant,because after he left she hired writers that really brought the show down,and it never recovered as it was cancelled after end of the 9th season. I hated the Becky switch too,Lecy Goranson was a fine actress who gave a wonderful believabiality to the character,Sarah Chalke was at the time an obscure Canadian actress who couldn't act her way out of a paper bag,she brought NOTHING to the character and made her bland and uninteresting and a total bimbo and of course looked nothing like Goranson,who was beautiful and was a nice contrast to Sara Gilbert. When Goranson returned in the 8th sesason,it was unfortunately too late as the writing was so bad by then not even her return helped, though the Patty Duke Show spoof "They're Beckys" and everyone shouting "Where the hell have you been?" was awesome,the only real highlights of the 8th season. I'm watching the show on a local UPN station in my area [they're up to the middle of the 7th season now], when it gets to the end of the 8th season I know when to stop watching!!
    Roseanne was great until the new Becky came in. It changed the whole atmosphere. It became unbelievable and went downhill with good stories. The first 3 seasons where the best, and the Roseanne character .. was a better and believable mother. But i still like the series cuz as stupid as it got.. it was still funny.
    The Show never jumped, I read all of the comments on this show, and 80% were negative, I love this show, I think it is hysterically funny, and usually descriptive about real-life. For all of you who commented negatively on the finale, shut up. It was great, an intelligent twist, that you obviously can't understand. This is because most of you haven't quite grasped the concept that this is JUST A SHOW, and is likely to do things that AREN'T always going to be likely real-life occurences, so get a grip! The finale was an excellent twist, once again, and so unlike the show's typical humor, but great, a very insightful-even philosophical way to describe life, and what we can create in our minds as the ideal life. I thought the quote by T.E. Lawrence at the end was an especially good and sophical touch! I hope to see this show for many years in reruns, it will never lose it's genuity! For all of you people who spoke negatively about the show, try to understand all those big words I used, and then once you know that, get a job where you can afford a better clue.
    Ok, am I the only one that noticed that when they were going through the "drama" of not knowing whether or not something was wrong with the baby...and Roseanne had to have a amniocentesis....they found out nothing was wrong with the baby and the Dr. said "Oh, and it's a GIRL". Yes, a GIRL. That's impossible. If you're freakin' amniocentesis says you're having a GIRL then you have a GIRL dammit. Not a BOY that you can name Jerry Garcia. Crap, crap, CRAP! I really loved this show for the first several years. The series finale really pissed me off. John Goodman was the fuel that kept that dune buggy going. It's just sad.
    It wasn't when they changed characters (Becky, is that you?) It wasn't when Roseanne and Dan had a baby (Why would they reproduce again?) You knew it was so close to the end when they won the lotto but still lived in that crap-hole house...and everyone continued to live there (Roseanne, Dan, Becky, Becky's hubby, Darlene, Darlene's hubby (AKA Becky's hubby's brother). So was this show really set is in Arkansas or something?)
    this show jumped the shark the moment Roseanne disgusted the world by coming out in a braw and announcing that she has won the lottery. From that moment great characters like Jackie and Dan became stupid and annoying and the plots became rediculous. For example that stupid, just plain horrible episode about the whole family on a train and Roseanne fighting terrorist, god damn they should have just cast Ted McGinley as Dan's gay lover, they made everyone else gay so why not Dan? In closing I just want to say that this was THE best show on tv until the very second that lottery winning plot came into play.
    I thought this was a great show. The writing was great. Darlene was my favorite. I didn't mind the new Becky, actually I liked her better than the original Becky. I thought it was funny when they would switch between the two Beckys. You never knew from week to week which Becky would be on the show. I didn't like the finale where you come to learn that the whole series had simply been Roseanne's novel about her family and that a lot of things were very different than were through the whole series. Such as Becky had actually married David and Darlene had married Mark. And Jackie was actually a lesbian and that they had actually never won the lottery. Aside from that I really enjoyed this show.
    This is regarding the last comment...in the end it was revealed that Roseanne has made up the stories and written about them since dan had his heart attack...not the whole series...jumped for sure when they won the lottery
    This show was really great and realistic when it started. Notice the smaller details, like how Roseanne and Dan wear the same outfits in some episodes, unlike how most TV stars have 3 outfits a show and never repeat them. They really represented a blue-collar family stuck in a dead end. The show jumped when Roseanne became more glamourous in appearance to match her real life clout in Hollywood, that threw off th show and lead to numerous other jumps (switching Beckys, DJ slapping the willy, Martin Mull marrying Fred Willard). It just seemed Roseanne wanted the show to be more and more outrageous every week so she made it more a spectacle that a realistic sitcom.
    For the most part I really liked this show, especially the earlier episodes. But I was always annoyed at the drastic changes in the charachter's. For example Dan's bike shop goes belly up and he can't find any work fixing bikes,uh didn't he used to be in construction as the self proclaimed "drywall king"? And the Jackie charachter went from an average single women to a complete emotional basket case. I also think they played up Dans sometimes violent temper a bit too much, I mean the whole thing with his dad was a bit over the top. The whole Becky&Mark thing remained somewhat believable (although they really dumbed down the Mark charachter) and Darlene got a little frightening towards the end. DJ went the way of Jerry Mathers (puberty was rather rough on him) but hey that happens. Roseanne got just plain nasty. For me the one reason to tune in was the Leon charachter played by Martin Mull. The mother was just annoying as hell. As far as I'm concerned the lottery season doesn't even count. I think Roseanne tried to work in to many of her personal demons into the show. For example Roseanne's parents went from being oridinary people to abusive monsters who used to beat her as a child. But I will give the show credit for being groundbreaking and taking risks.
    I always thought it was pretty hokey. Never saw all the episodes. I heard about the last one and was VERY curious. I saw alot of the "missing" ones on the nick special and really enjoyed the last one. Even got teary when Rosie was describing Dan. And when he was calling Rosie! *SNIFF* SNIFF*
    First off, Roseanne is probably my favorite show of all-time. The first 4 seasons were classic and after that they were pretty good. However the last season was horrible...and the finale was even worse, having Dan die was the breaking point for me. I felt so bad for Roseanne cause she was alone and Dan was my favorite character. If they would have ended the show with everyone around the table as a family including Dan it would have been so much better. The whole lottery thing was a mistake too but I guess it was Roseannes way of dealing with Dans death. In ending, the last season should have been completly re-written...Favorite Line? In the episode with the bag of old pot with Jackie sitting in the tub and she asks "Am I Shrinking? Am I In the Sink?" I cried when i saw that!!! Thank you Roseanne for making this show possible
    I have to say that when they won the lottery was a big jump. The plot just got weird. I also didn't like how they ended the show. I can understand why they wanted to take the lotto season back, but why say that Dan died. That was so depressing, why did she do that to the true fans that sticked though the show. I hate the final eposide. I still love to see the re-runs but usually never watch that one.
    Roseanne is my favorite tv show of all time and is a CLASSIC that still doesn't get half the recognition it deserves. It seemlessly blended comedy and drama for 7 1/2 seasons, then it started slipping, which led to the biggest jump ever for any tv show, the ninth season. But there are way too many classics for me to not love this series. The episode where Roseanne and Jackie's father dies is a classic, the best episode dealing with death ever on a tv show. The acript was gold and the acting, especially that by Roseanne & Laurie Melcalfe made the episode. I loved Jackie on the phone with her deaf aunt (Dad's no longer with us... dad's passed away. He's gone. He's dead. Dad's dead. No, dead. D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD. Dad's fine, he sends his love) and Roseanne's throw away one-liner to Jackie ("But we should have to call people, where supposed to be mourning." Roseanne- "Then wear a veil over your face while you do it"). The pot episode. Jackie getting beat up by Fisher. All of this was gold. Seasons 4-6 were the best. Season nine had some good episodes like the spa episode and the New York episode, though they weren't funny in the typical Roseanne way. But overall, season nine was frustrating.
    The show lost it's edge when they bought the restaurant.....Jackie did not start out as an air head, but she morphed quickly from the time they bought the restaurant and then she got knocked up. Wasn't the same after that.
    I never really liked Roseanne and then recently I bagan to become asomewhat fan of the show watching it in syndication. I have seen the Jerry Garcia episode and thought that was bad enough but I caught another Halloween episode which brought me right back to my original thoughts. It was one of the after lottery episodes, I sat in front of my t.v trying like hell to figure out what in the world I was seeing. Jackie (dressed like a man in drag) and Roseanne at some high class party. Roseanne wearing a low cat backless dress *shudder* getting drunk with those two annoying lushes from the worst show ever "Absolutely Fabulous" Somehow Darlene was pregnant by Satan no less. Hence the last 10 minutes of the show was some drawn out painful speech by Roseanne about what a great mother she is to everyone and that child of satan or not she will love the kid. It was the worst and most confusing thing I have ever seen enough to convince me to stay away from the show for good. This show really jumped the shark after they won the lottery. If this piece of garbage dosen't prove it then what will?
    The Conners are millionaires? No show could survive that. The show was able to survive pretty much every other weird thing they did, but you can't expect it to last when you change the entire premise of the show. Though I felt the last episode kind of brought it all together and make up for it. The whole thing was a figment of Roseanne Conner's imagination. When she's talking about Dan dying after that heart attack, I still get teary eyed. So does my beau.
    I don't see why so many people are upset about the lottery winnings. Sure, the entire 9th season was wacky, but it was still good watching. Not only that, the entire 9th season was invalidated in the final episode. Dan died (I was in tears), there was no lottery money, etc. Much of the entire show, infact, was Roseanne Conner's (the "real" Roseanne Conner's) book, and the family we saw where characters in her book, based on her "real" life. The Conner family we saw for 9 years had a very happy ending. The "real" Conner family, on the other hand, had a sad ending. Roseanne didn't abondon her audience at all, as some say she did. She simply showed us how life can jerk us around, how we can dream to re-arrange things to make it work out more to our likeing, but that's all that it is, a dream. She had a brilliant show and I now watch her every night on Nick-at-Nite, even though the air time is kind of late. (But the Cosby show right before helps keep me up for the pure gold that is to follow).
    I always loved this show because in spit of the family being poor the mother and father actually LOVE each other and when Dan leaves Roseanne, that was it for me. I mean they get all the money from the lottery and he leaves her. I had so much faith in men until then, hope , you know. In a world where dads leave all the time, Dan seemed like the MAN that was going to be there and then he ups and leaves.
    I have to agree with one of the comments at the very top. This show jumped when The Conners went broke, Dan lost his Bike shop, and their electricity got shut off, then Rosanne's mother shows up with $10,000 checks for Roseanne and Jacky. How convenient. The crisis of being in a tough financial situation is what viewers probably identified with. To solve this by getting bailed out at the last moment by her mom is somewhat lame in my opinion. Most people who are struggling financialy don't have anyone who can save them at the last second. Anyway this is probably the first Jump the Shark which signaled many more Jumps to come. It no longer seemed that the conners were a real world family, instead they were walking the tight rope with a safety net, or relying on their Guardian angel to bail them out of any jam the get into, thus resurrecting the show each time but losing a little credibility along the way. I'm watching the show in syndication on nick at night. The conners just bought their loose meat joint. looking forward to watching this show jump again especially in the Lottery season.
    This is a classic comedy, though the characters did change throughout the show. Agree, Roseanne's father was changed, he appeared in one episode and seemed jolly and they loved him, and he was played by the guy who played Frank Costanza (Seinfeld) for one episode as well! This nice old man became an adulterer who mistreated his children leading up to Roseanne's speech at his funeral. A cathartic dramatic scene for the real Roseanne and the issues she wanted to explore but inconsistent with what we were introduced with. As was the new Becky turning from a smart girl who wanted to go to college to a naive girl who got a job at Hooters. And Jackie being married off and pregnant. And Arnie becoming a bad husband to Nancy and being abducted by aliens. The show did get glossy around the time of of the bike shop being sold and the loose meat place was bought- you could even see it in Roseanne's appearance. But there were many great moments in this show, and great acting moments- see the Jackie sleeping with Arnie ep. and Roseanne discovering Dan has feelings for another woman as examples. Although a lot of the jokes were insults, the show was one of the few that showed people arguing about real things like bills and kids and had real family situations, except maybe in the last couple of seasons where the characters seemed to interact on the same level, all standing around the room taking turns at telling their jokes, there wasn't much plot to explore. The lottery scenario took away a lot of the drama- they had very few everyday real-life dilemmas.
    I would agree with many posters who said that this show was the best and most realistic portrayal of lower-middle-class (or maybe lower class) Americans ever seen on tv. At its best, it absolutely was. I grew up lower middle class, and everything about this show was right on. Roseanne did not strike me as a bad mother. I thought in the first several years she was a very good mother. She was funny and sarcastic but she was always there for the kids. Dan was, to me, the main reason to watch the show. He was fundamentally a decent human being. I think John Goodman is one of the best actors of this generation. Unfortunately, it was Roseanne and not John Goodman that had the creative control, and over time this show became painful to watch. The kids just got to the point where they were absolute monsters, not just brats but way beyond that, and Roseanne treated Dan like crap 24/7. I agree with the poster who said that people in this economic class do not plan for a pregnancy when all their kids are on the brink of grown up. That just doesn't happen. I stopped watching long before Dan "died" or didn't die or whatever at Darlene's wedding, and I just finished reading a website, because after looking at some of the comments, I hadn't even realized that there was this ridiculous "won the lottery" thing. Like, uh, the odds against that are 24 billion to one or whatever? A tax on the stupid, as they call it? And yet it suddenly happens to this family (and then doesn't happen in the last episode). They should have quit before the planned pregnancy and they could have been remembered forever as one of the all time greats. In my mind, they still will be, you just have to sort of purge the last couple years from your memory.
    It could have ended a year early with Dan's heart attack. That final idiotic season and all that it brought, was in the end, not real. And it didn't do it in a cool way like "St. Elsewhere" or in a funny way like "Newhart". It just rehashed what those two shows had done, and didn't do it as well or in any original fashion.
    I hated the Becky change, all of a sudden she was....nice. Did they actually think we would like that, they went on for ears because they were sarcastic and plain mean. But not only did becky become nice, Darlene did to. She still retained some of that meanness in her, but when she told Roseanne she was "strong", was that cheesy, Darlene would never have said that. But has anyone also noticed, in the very beginning, the change in DJ's actor. But that really didn't matter to people, for all we know, it was better with that change. It disappoints me to know that one of my favorite shows of all time was cancelled. but thats show business!
    JTS the second Roseanne opened her whining mouth. I've tried to like this show, but have never found it humorous in the least. They should make Saddam Hussein watch Roseanne 24 hours a day, he'd start talking pretty quickly I just find Roseanne abrasive, whiney, and pompous. Beats the crap out of me how she ever got her own show.
    The show leaped the shark,not just jumped it the season they won the lottery.The person that said the viewers did not like that because we were basically jealous is all wet!!We know that this was only a show,they really did not win it.Besides,the Cosby show people were rich and that was very popular!Get real,the reason that winning the lottery was bad was that they were understandable as poor white trash,but not as awful rich trash.Also,the story lines got horrible,even grandma we found out was gay,for gods sakes!!!The story of Dan leaving and going back to California was one of the worst ever,as in Roseanne driving around in the realistic car setting-awful,and dj meeting that annoying blathering idiot girl at the bookstore.It could have been done so much better,or even better yet just dump that last disaster season!!!!!
    I love this show. I really do. It was so good. It started to go downhill when they bought the diner, and I was really wondering about it when Rosanne started contemplating another child, but all of that was made acceptable by the great interaction between the characters and the still-strong storylines. However, to me the moment at which this show jumped was the first moment of the first episode after Jackie finds out they won the lottery. I loved Jackie's reaction, and there were all sorts of interesting things they could have done with the concept of the Conners striking it rich. I don't think the lottery doomed them. However, the ridiculous storyline of the last season made it impossible to even watch. You weren't getting to see enough of the characters you really liked (Dan, mostly), and they just went nowhere with several promising storylines. I would loved to have seen more of Darlene dealing with pregnancy. I would have loved it if David had stayed truer to his earlier self. I would have loved it had Rosanne and Dan not tried to split, had this new kid Jerry not showed up, had the prince not hit the scene, etc, etc, etc... This is a great show. I still watch it in reruns, but I just try to forget about that last season.
    i love this show..i still watch it every day in reruns, but i'll give you 10 events this show could've done without... 1. 9th season...(this includes everything outlandish that happened in this time of the show's run) 2. Tom Arnold leaves the show, and for some reason, the show starts to suffer..hmmm 3. Too many babies..first crystal, then jackie, then roseanne, then darlene..then in the last episode it's revealed that becky too is pregnant... 4. Crystal leaves the show (wish i knew why) 5. Dan was always funny at first, but later in the series, it seems like he's always mad, especially in the 6th season... 6. speaking of the 6th season, Roseanne is transformed into what looks like a different person! with a seemingly new bitchy attitude! or is it just me? 7. a 'new' becky..but at least roseanne made sure we weren't too stupid to notice... 8. Walt Disney World, HERE WE COME!! 9. it doesn't work out with fred and jackie, so fred leaves the show... 10. the connors allow darlene's boyfriend to live with them..(gee, how convenient for david and darlene to have sex without parents finding out!)
    This show recently finished its final episode and started re-running the early ones; and not only was it funnier in the earlier episodes, the title character became progressively less likeable as the series went on. In the first few seasons, Roseanne was very feisty, outspoken, not afraid to kick ass when she needed to but also very loving and practical. Alas, she gradually turned into a screeching, pathologically selfish bully. Of course, in real life people do often change for the worse as time goes on but this wasn't real life; it was a COMEDY and screeching, pathologically selfish bullies aren't generally very funny. DUH. IMO, when this show actually jumped was a bit nebulous but it was sometime around the point that Jackie, who by that time has become such a dingbat she shouldn't even adopt a parakeet decides on a whim to have a baby on her own and the audience is expected to think that's yuk-yuk funny. Either that or the part in the series when being from an abusive family became fashionable in Hollywood and Roseanne and Jackie suddenly become obsessed with horrible childhoods that are never really justified in the script. One ironic touch, though also un-funny, was when the Darlene character is pregnant, uncharacteristically won't even consider either abortion or adoption and instead she and David decide to get married. This character's future as the family member who's going to "get out of Lanford" is toast. She's going to end up in a much worse situation than her parents ever were in considering the changes in the economy that took place since Roseanne and Dan were young. But Roseanne, again uncharacteristically, goes along with Darlene's naive plans ("how much can a baby change our lives?" she says to David. LOL!) and tells Dan that Darlene "has everything all figured out." Right.
    First off, these are the actual ratings. There's been some dispute that I would like to clear up right now: 1) #2 4) #2 7) #9 2) #1 5) #2 8) #16 3) #3 6) #4 9) #35 And in my opinion, the show never jumped. Obviously millions of viewers felt differently. I thought that the lottery idea was a little bit lame, but it all made sense when she cleared it up in the last episode. This was part of Roseanne's brilliant coup to take back control of her series once and for all. The downside was that people just got tired of watching a blue-collar woman played by a spoiled Hollywood brat. She actually looked younger in the last season than she did in the first. The brilliance of the show was its ability to reflect on life for most people in the 80s. People liked to watch because it was a picture of themselves in a way. TV analysts even had visions of a golden age in television, where blue-collar comedies would dominate the ratings. This dream almost came true when Roseanne and Grace Under Fire ranked in the top 5 during the 1993-1994 season. Other blue-collar shows were also rising. But people got tired of Roseanne, plain and simple. Most shows experience this. But personally, I think the show never jumped. My opinion would be the opposite if she hadn't righted the problems in the finale. Why this show doesn't sit in the handful of classic shows in TV history is beyond me.
    I can't remember exactly when this show jumped the shark, but there was a season where all of a sudden we started getting all these episodes with stupid social messages in them. And I'm pretty sure that all of this happened when Roseanne took control over the show's direction. Jackie gets abused by her boyfriend. Roseanne abuses D.J. Roseanne and Jackie have to confront past abuses from their father. Roseanne, Dan, and D.J. have to deal with racism. Yawn. None of this dreck was funny or interesting. I stopped watching about midway through that season. I tuned in for the series finale, and apparently the show had only continued to decline, because that final episode was undoubtably one of the most appalling pieces of garbage to ever show on TV.
    When Jackie was in the abusive relationship (I think it was with a guy named Pete NOT Fisher) it didnt surprize me. During time they were dateing little things popped up that made me wonder if the character was hiding something. Jackie became more quiet and kind of withdrawn form the family,her boyfriend could do no wrong in her eyes,she never argued with him and always agreed wiht him in public, one atleast one show her character had an injury to explain away. I think it may have been a sprained shoulder or something. If you have ever been around abused women those are some dead giveaways. And the show handled the leadup to it just fine. Subtile hints that lead to discovery. Very true in most cases. they also covered a mojor reason why she would have lived that way as strong as she started out, her fathers abuse. But the follow up on the story line was terrible. it was she got hit,she was tramatized for a few shows, she was over it! Not true at all in most cases. The way they loved to preach on that show the latest casue you would think they would make it more believable in its after affects. Nobody who has lived or dated an abusive partner recovers in a couple of months. Better yes but it would have been more realistic if like the father abuse she had gone on with life but still suffered effects growing less as time went on. for a reasonably strong (at the start at least even if she was a tad dippy)character to have been abused and put down enough to live with an abuser for that long would have had hang overs on most women even after the timelimit of the show. As i said steadily growing less. And the way she acted the last par tof the show wasnt abuse hang over it was just BAD BAD WRITING so it doesnt count :-)
    There are interesting anecdotes from the days when Amy Sherman and Joss Whedon were writers on the show. According to Amy, one day Roseanne gathered up all the writers, handed them T-shirts with numbers on them, and announced that from then on they wouldn't have names and she would call them only by the numbers on their shirts. Amy quit that day, I believe. As for Joss, it's been said that Roseanne would go from being nice and friendly with him one day to not only not talking to him the next day, but looking at him as if she didn't know who he was. I think the show jumped when Roseanne went from egomaniacal to bat**** insane.
    Jumped when Darlene and Becky graduated. When they were kids/teens their bratty attitudes were funny and sometimes cute plus they had great chemistry with the parents. But once they grew up, they (along with Roseanne) turned into total b*tches with no redeeming values. And to top it off they both hooked-up with a couple of boyfriends (Mark and David) who were helpless losers and only served to bring out the worse in the girls.
    Day one. There was a time when people thought this show was so important because the characters were lower middle class. Good thing the Simpsons came along. As soon as the Simpsons showed up, Roseanne stopped seeming so funny to Americans. A fat lady that's cranky with a fatter, dumber husband -- no wonder Europeans think Americans are fat and stupid! How a show like this stayed on and Freaks and Geeks can't even stay in syndication is beyond me. Judy Tenuta kicks Roseanne's fat ass!
    Where to begin? This show jumped the shark so many times! It was a good show at the beginning, I didn't even mind when they kept switching Becky or when Roseanne went up and down the weight scale, but when they won the lottery that was the end! Lower middle class turns into millionaires? Nah - no way! You can't stuff Roseanne in some fancy designer dress (which looked like crap on her to begin with), have the family hobnob with the ritz, and NOT have them move from their crappy house. Marrying Becky off to an idiot while his smart brother dates Darlene. Dan has a heart attack and leaves the show (temporarily?) and Roseanne gets knocked up - what the hell? Adding Tom Arnold was a big shark jump - just because you sleep with and/or marry somebody doesn't mean you have to give them a job!
    This show ended when season four saw Becky eloping with Mark. In the beginning, Dan and Roseanne are a typical american family, trying to make it. The show worked on that premise alone. Because although bad things do happen to good families who try their best, I hang on to the belief that Roseanne was a mother of the nineties, and for that, I think we the audience would have been more gratified if Roseanne the character had not just "improved her children's lives" by 50%, but actually saw them off to become something more. Because she was a teenager in the sixties, because she had endured a painful childhood, because she was determined (and there are many conversations in the beginning between her and her kids in the first three seasons) to give them her best. Why would that have changed? I mean Roseanne the actress obviously screwed this show by mixing reality with t.v., but then again in the beginning her reality was home life and kids. So she continued to fuse it, when actually it should have been separated and the Connors given a chance to really live the life I think was initially set up for them. I choose to believe the show ends there. I mean there are good episodes after that, the one when Roseanne and jackie smoke "David's" pot is hilarious. There was a heart and a passion in the beginning. And it was lost.
    After they won the lottery, it sucked! I am trying to get through these episodes on Oxygen right now, just so I can see the end. I consider myself a fan and want to know all the episodes, but this is HELL.
    "Roseanne" suffered from gradual shark jumping. It forever reinvented itself. It started off as a show about blue collar parents trying to raise three kids and never really getting a break. They watched their kids jump into marriage (like they did), made poor business choices (the bike shop) and had another kid they couldn't afford. It started jumping during the Tom Arnold Era. Roseanne began modeling the show after her own life; thus changing certain characters. The episode where she was kissed by Arnie and didn't know how she felt about it, when it later became a running gag that Arnie was universally disliked by women in Lanford and had been for many years. Roseanne made accusations of abuse against her father and - all of a sudden - Roseanne Conner's dad (previously an annoying, but harmless curmudgeon) became an abusive philanderer. I should also point out that Dan's mother (played amiably by Ann Wedgeworth of "Three's Company" fame) later morphed into Debbie Reynolds and developed a lifelong history of mental problems. Blighted, working-class Lanford became the Gay and Lesbian capital of the World. Roseanne toyed with the idea of making Jackie a lesbian (her own real-life sister is a lesbian) but wisely kept Jackie a lovable klutz with man problems. Smart Becky hung out with punk Mark (but, then, even smart girls fall for the wrong guys and sacrifice their dreams for a trailer park). Tomboy Darlene got moody and fell for wimpy David (yes, he was introduced to us as "Kevin"). Leci Goransen left and was replaced by Sarah Chalke who was replaced by Leci who was replaced again by Sarah. Just as things were looking better for the Conners, Darlene got married the same day her dad had what would become a fatal heart attack. I understand Roseanne's reasoning behind using the changes in the last season as therapy for losing her husband. But it was just too unbelievable.
    As soon as Roseanne won the lottery, everything stopped being funny, and it turned into a joke-making soap opera.
    I think that Roseanne jumped the shark twice. The first time was when they brought in the new Becky. Actually, it was more that they kept switching back and forth between old Becky and new Becky. Both actresses are excellant, but they should have chose to stick with one. If Lecy Goranson wanted to go to school, she should have stayed away when it came to this show. They also jumped the shark when they won the lottery. That was the most ridiculous thing I had ever seen. And what was all this garbage with changing the characters? Becky was with David? Darlene was with Mark? Jackie is gay? Please. That is the most ridiculous thing that I had ever heard in my life. Some things are better left alone. They should have just left the air peacefully.
    Roseanne stands alone as my favriote television series of all time. Though I must admit that the ninth season was kinda boring, I still liked it. The series finale is one that I don't think I'll ever forget. I was crying when Roseanne said that Dan died in his heart attack. But I didn't approve of the couple switching. Darlene and David were the best ever couple in all of television history, IMHO. Roseanne has always been a funny show, and no matter how many times I see it, I'm always left wanting more. It was also a fairly realistic show, up until the ninth season. Nothing like the Tanners where all the kids could never do anything wrong and their dad who freaked if there was so much of a speck of dust anywhere in the house. Someone wrote a review of this show a here that while I was reading I thought that s/he hadn't even seen the shows that s/he was talking about. Roseanne wanted Dan to buy new shoes. She wasn't with him in the shoe store when he did buy them, she didn't know how much he spent. She took them back to get Becky's dress for her once she found out how much they cost. And when her father died she went to the bar to meet his mistress there, not to get drunk. And I agree with the poster who said that Dan and Roseanne are much more realistic than several other tv parents, on Leave it to Beaver, or, as I gave an example of earlier, Full House's Danny Tanner. Because you know, every parent in the world is just like Danny Tanner! Yeah, right. Long live Roseanne!!!
    I suppose Roseanne first jumped the shark when they changed actors for Becky. There were so many other things, though. The nose jobs, the multiple gay people, the orangutan that took over Jackie's character. The lottery season, regardless of it's fantasy status, was horrid. The last episode left me angry and burned. I've seen where so many people listed Darlene's pregnancy as the true period where the shark got jumped. But that's what happens. I was Darlene in reality. I was the smart, sarcastic, dark, angry, creative, pissed off chick with too much intelligence and not enough direction. I was the one who was going to get out and be somebody. But I got pregnant and I didn't get out. Oddly enough, Darlene's storyline often followed my life after I had already BTDT. It was weird.
    I was just watching a rerun of Roseanne yesterday. It was the one where Roseanne gives Dan a surprise 39th birthday party, except Roseanne wakes up with PMS and is a complete looney bitch throughout the whole show. She would be yelling one minute and then be sweet as sugar the next minute. I had to turn it off, because I thought it gave women a bad rep. Don't get me wrong, women do get PMS, but I think the writers went completely overboard on that one. I just wanted to wring her neck after a while.
    When Becky ran off and married Mark. Then it REALLY went downhill once Darlene hooked up with David, and Roseanne got yet another make-over and they had another kid... it just spirled out of control after that. Went far too many years past it's prime.
    First let me say, I am a heterosexual male in his mid 20s, and although I know this show can seem anti-male at times, I think it is one of the most underrated shows of all time. I didnt like and still dont like the first and second seasons, but seasons three through eight, I believe, are hilarious. Almost every episode there is at least one or two lines that I can remember and wait for when Im watching the shows in syndication. But the last season is when Roseanne JTS. I liked the lottery idea, actually, and that they really didnt know how to deal with their recent money. But then theyre going on a train and it gets hijacked, and the spa, and the prince and blah, blah, blah. I loved the final episode, but it wasnt enough to save that final season. But Roseanne is still one of top 5 favorite shows of all time.
    I love Roseanne. I liked the seasons up to when the real Becky left. However, I think that when the Becky imposter came on the show, it changed. Around that time Roseanne divorced Tom Arnold and the show's creativity went away. However, I did like some of the episodes with the fake Becky. I liked the 8th season with the real Becky--especially episode 8.1. The ninth season was never supposed to exist. It was supposed to go off in May '96, but I think ABC wanted to keep it on for another year. Supposedly, ABC and Disney World became affiliated? I heard that Roseanne made the last season bad because it was her revenge at ABC? Also, when Dan started to appear less often, they came up with bad story lines. Roseambo was funny, but not realistic--it was the one when she was on the train. Winning the lottery was pretty bad. I think that in the last season there were a few keepers, but when the show was still running, they should have pitched some of the episodes that were bad. The finale was one of the best I've seen because it's not like a marriage or death or anything. It was very non-typical, and its one of my favorite episodes. Altogether, the show jumped the shark when that zombie Becky came on, but it hit rock-bottom last season. The one thing I loved about the last season is the vocal theme song. By the way, what's with "Starring Roseanne Barr Pentland Arnold Thomas" in the first few last season credits?
    This show JTS when they won the lottery, hands down. Regarding other comments on this site, you can anaylze what they did wrong season to season all you want, but the truth of it is Roseanne remained respectable until the end on the seveth season. I understand that Roseanne Barr herself was pregnant when Roseanne Connor and since the show had already been on a long time they should have quit while they were ahead (although, despite the ridiculous premise, I did think Jerry was cute, even if he was fat!). There were some great moments in the seventh season (like when Bev went to AA....at the end, Roseanne shouted to her mom, "Keep going home! It works!" FUNNY!) In the 8th season it started to decline...but the lottery just totally ruined it for me. It could have had potential. They could have had episodes dealing with D.J.'s emerging sexuality, Dan making more money at his new construction job, Darlene and Becky finally making it...I could go on and on, but you get it. I truly wish that the horrid last season never happened. And what was up with the final episode? Sheesh!
    Becky sure looks a whole lot different suddenly...and then if that wasn't bad enough, the original comes back for a while and the one who replaced her gets a bit part in a later episode as someone else....then....oh the horror....original Becky leaves again and the bit part becomes Becky again....are you confused? Me too....watch that fin...hope it doesn't head toward the Scrubs set....
    The episode where Roseanne takes in David from his abusive mother. Like living with the emotionally and verbally abusive and totally dysfunctional white trash Connors is all that much better?? Seems as if David simply traded in one form of hell for another - from only living with his mother to a whole house full of psychopaths.
    This was perhaps the strangest ending to any show I have ever seen. It was downright spooky when Rosie proceeded to show the audience what her family was REALLY like! Certain key elements of the show were eerily changed...sister Jackie was the lesbian instead of Mom; Becky and Darlene were married to each others' spouses; and it turned out that her husband Dan had actually DIED of his heart attack the previous season! The show not only jumped the shark, the shark chowed down so thoroughly that even a reunion show is no longer possible!
    This show never jumped. A lot of people could relate to it in more ways than one. Sorry to say it, but my family acts worse than them...and where's our jackpot?? No really, This was and still is one of my favs. The end had a bit of a slump but it's something that they could of overcame.
    It's pretty funny that so many people hated this show, yet found the time to write something about it. Take Roseanne for what it was-a TELEVISION show. It was fictional. It was supposed to be fun, not change the world or anything like that. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If some of you really need to take it so seriously, than maybe you need a hobby.
    While the true "Jumping the Shark" indisputably occurred with the lottery win, they started revving the motor way back when the scripts began to seem more like watching a long and tortured therapy session. It changed the whole dynamic of the show. Though it was a unique twist, it got far too heavy-handed at times, and at the time I felt a super-clever sitcom was being taken over by Roseanne's personal need to work through her issues. In hindsight it may have made for better TV (certainly less sanitized and boxed in -- less a blue-collar "Cosby Show"). Still, it was a little much after a while.
    I think Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery and Dan had a heart attack, but they said the whole show was in her head. What a crock of ****. I love Roseanne, but that blew the show. And the first Becky is ugly, when she had that bowl cut, and pretty much all the time and Darlene as well. D.J. always runs when someone talks to him, you ever notice that?
    This show jumped when Rosanne got complete creative control over it. It became less and less about blue collar reality and more and more about about Rosanne's LALA-land value system. All straight men became incompetent and Landford became this unlikely gay mecca. As if! If I were a gay man in Landford, I'd have been so out of there, it wouldn't have been funny. I sure wouldn't have been exchanging insults with the obnoxious cow at some crappy diner. Rosanne lorded it over the cast, just like the raging egomanaic she appears to be in real life. The show contined in this Rosanne death spiral, until the logical outcome, the absurd final season, one of the worst ever in a TV series. I'm amazed Rosanne got away with it as long as she did though.
    OK, I must say, Roseanne is one of my favorite shows of all time. I can relate to it so much, being an Illinois native and growing up in a middle class home. I watched this show with my dad when I was little, and I thought, wow, these people are not too different than most people I know. Roseanne is like a lot of moms I know of, the mom really is the head of the house, she cooks, cleans, etc, when the dad just goes to work every day. She runs everything in that household. John Goodman is an excellent actor, and he was so convincing as Dan, the beer-guzzling, Monday Night football watching, Midwestern father of three, he reminded me a lot of my dad, though my dad makes a lot of money and isnt really large. Darlene has to be my all time favorite character on the show. She is the funniest one. Her sense of humor is a lot like mine, very sarcastic. She could make anything funny on that show. She was very realistic, too. Not every teen girl in America is the perfect, straight A student, school athlete kind of person, like most other shows make their teen girl characters to be. I didn't really get Becky though. Why did she let her whole future go down the toilet by running away and marrying that numbskull Mark? She was the smart one, she could have easily done better than her parents by graduating high school and being successful. I thought she had more sense. Darlene and David I thought were a good couple. It was good comedy, the controlling girlfriend and the very passive boyfriend. They were funny together. DJ was a little strange. He seemed a lot younger than he really was. The first few seasons he was ok, the average 6 year old, but then I just really didn't get his character towards the end of the show. He wasn't very convincing. Jackie was great. Terrific actress. I loved how Roseanne was always controlling her and teasing her about her boyfriends. She definently deserved the Best Supporting Actress Emmy she won. I liked how she kept changing careers, it kept me wondering what she really wanted to do. Well, I think the so-called "shark-jumping" part of the show was when they won the lottery. I just thought it was lame. It wasnt the realistic, true-to-life stories I related to. The whole 9th season was weird. It really should have stopped at season 8. The whole fact that it was a story written by Roseanne just killed it for me. I dont really know why, but all the weird character changes at the very end was a bad way to end a great show. I think the show should have ended when Dan dies after having his heart attack. They could have spared us the torture of the terrible, plotless episodes of the last season, and I think it would have been so much better.
    Roseanne never really jumped the shark. Some episodes were lower in quality than the others, but still, I love them all. I'm glad they did a ninth season, though it was a stupid season, just because I wouldn't have liked being left to wonder if Dan had survived the heart attack or not. That was horrible having Dan have an affair. Dan and Roseanne were so great together. Dan would never cheat on Roseanne. I like Becky (both Beckys) after Becky came around for the second time. In the earlier years of the show I hated the character of Becky. She was such a spoiled little witch! I've gotta say I liked Sarah Chalke better than Lecy Goranson. Sarah Chalke made Becky seem like a little bit of a nicer character, and then of course when Lecy came back, she was also a nicer Becky. Darlene was so cool from beginning to end, never changed. She and David were such a funny couple. What were they thinking having it turn out that Becky was actually married to David and Darlene to Mark. That was rediculous. Darlene would never marry Mark. And I agree with an earlier poster, that that is so unoriginal, for the Roseanne Barr to realize that she messed her show up and make the entire last season a dream. And all of the changes were just so farfetched. Also, I liked Jackie and Fred. Having them split was terrible. First of all, am a Christian and a strict believer in the Biblical principle that divorce is not an option. Secondly, I liked Fred! Jackie and Fred were such a funny couple. That was so stupid having Fred leave and then Jackie hooks up with that Carlos guy, and then he ends up cheating on her too. And he was a prince?!?!? Give me a break. But like I said, still I love the show. The dialogue was so funny a lot of the times. Allthough I do have one other bone to pick. The show got so immoral. Being a Christian, I know that the practice of homosexuality is horribly wrong. I hated the gay bar episode, where Roseanne was kissed by a woman, and I hated the episode with Leon and Scott's wedding. EWWW!!!!! And I hated how Bev turned gay. Well I guess that's all I have to say. Have a nice day people!
    About how sooo many posters have commented that Roseanne went downhill after Tom Arnold left: I agree that the show changed after TA left; however that does not mean that TA's involvement made the show better. Roseanne Barr did not need TA's "talent" [sic] for the quality of her show to be outstanding. TA was not involved with the original stand-up comedy by RB or the inception of the show. At that time RB's 1st husband managed her career; TA only came on board later. I do believe the relationship RB thought she had with TA helped RB produce at her creative best, and when TA left RB was of course devastated and felt betrayed. This added a somewhat painful and angry undertone to some parts of the shows she shaped after TA left. I understand that some viewers found this undertone difficult to watch. IN ADDITION, to the posters who had a problem with "all the gays" in this show, balance the inclusion of gay characters in Roseanne against the historical almost total absence of gay characters in tv shows prior to the mid-80's and you will see that Roseanne's inclusion doesn't even begin to even out the disparity. Also, just because a lesbian character kissed Roseanne in one episode did not make her character gay (and if it did, so what?). In fact, much of the humor of that episode centered upon Roseanne's somewhat homophobic response which surprised even her. Also just because in the final episode, the Roseanne "real life" persona reveals that her real life sister is gay, this does not retroactively make the character Jackie gay. And even if you are a Christian with strictly literal interpretation of the bible, with personal beliefs that homosexuality is immoral, this does not mean every show on television has to reflect your values. Most seriously of all, it does not mean you can't simultaneously hold your beliefs and still find the humor in Roseanne (even when it involves gay characters or situations) hysterically funny. LASTLY, about the final episode, why do so many posters seem to feel so personally betrayed when Roseanne's "real life" persona reveals the real life basis for the characters and ideas in the show? Isn't hunger for information about celebrities' real lives what so much pulp media (a la The Enquirer) is all about? So it's a disappointment when the originator tells you the truth about her life and inspiration? Would you rather rely upon the scandal sheet version? The use of a "real life" persona is a narrative strategy. This does not retroactively change everything into a 'dream sequence' like Dallas. The Roseanne persona specifically describes how she told the 'emotional truth': when Dan died it FELT like he left her. She didn't specifically say this, but in the sheer luck (and years of work) of achieving success it probably FELT like she had won the lottery because she isn't any better than any other working class wife and mother. Although the series plot did not follow the literal truth of her life, it represented the emotional landscape of what she experienced. I'm an experienced writer, and when I heard "real life" persona 'speech' (it's called a monologue), I was amazed by how brilliant this strategy was. I thought the final episode was one of the best ones. One poster commented they thought the final episode was rushed. The pace of that episode differed from that of most other episodes. The pace was faster in the beginning because it was essentially culminating in the "real life" persona at the end, which was much slower and deliberate. This is the opposite of most sitcom episodes: most take a little time to establish the premise of the episode and speed up at the end with the denouement or climax, when the plot resolves. This inverse pace is a structural device and also was no lame accident. When posters comment on the quality of the writing in Roseanne, what is the basis for your conclusions? Whether you think an episode is funny? If the show fulfills your fantasy of resolving the plot (ie saying you wanted Dan and Roseanne to stay together -- FYI I did too!)? How closely the show's representation of reality matches your perception of reality?
    FOR ME, IT NEVER JUMPED BECAUSE I WATCHED JUST A FEW SEASONS OF IT, AND MISSED THE LAST ONES (AND I'M GLAD.)I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO COMPARED THE CONNORS TO THE HUXTABLES. I WAS NEVER COMFORTABLE WITH THE HOITY-TOITY HUXTABLES, WHO PROBABLY NEVER SWEATED, NEVER USED DEODORANT (BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS SMELLED "APRIL FRESH"), AND NEVER USED THE BATHROOM. NOW YOU JUST KNOW THE CONNORS GOT STANKY, THEY ALWAYS RAN OUT OF DEODORANT, AND THAT BATHROOM WAS BUSY AS CHICAGO O'HARE. YEP, THE HUXTABLES WAS A POSITIVE SHOW, BUT ONE I COULDN'T RELATE TO. ROSEANNE, HOWEVER, FITS MY CYNICAL PERSONALITY.
    They won the lottery and you pretty much knew the show was coming to an end but they saved it with the series finale
    The entire last season was just ridiculous. Dan's heart attack, Jerry Garcia's ghost, premature baby, lottery winnings, Steven Segal... I mean, the soap opera parody Soap didn't have that many outlandish plotlines. My guess is the whole season was Roseanne's F.U. to ABC. I know she had complained about network interference in the past, but since her show was a top ten mainstay for so long she could get away with a lot.
    I've been watching the re-runs on Nick at Nite and I forgot how truly awful the entire last season was. First, the show got so preachy - I want jokes, not Roseanne's politics and social commentary (at least not so on the nose, more like in the rest of the series). Also, the show lost its working class charm, and it became just like everything else on tv. At least the final episode made up for most of the trash we got at the end of this good show's run.
    So many reasons why this show jumped the shark. But the last straw was that stupid finale where everything that had happened hadn't really happened and Dan (who was the funniest to me!) was dead and this was really just a part of Roseanne's book...goodness gracious! I had stopped watching long before the ending, but this was just horrible.
    OK, not to be homophobic, BUT......First Leon is gay, ok, his character was pretty funny. Then Nancy switches teams and yeah ok, we believe someone who looks like Sandra Bernhard could land a chick who looks like Morgan Fairchild, but sure. Those 2 situations were pretty funny, but the ultimate jump was when Bev came out. Suddenly she goes from frumpy, conservative, biased house-wife to swinging, beautiful, gorgeous girlfriend, has this great social life, lesbian. And dont get me started on the episode where Bev and her lover invite Leon and Scott over to dinner and they all start dancing like Rockettes. The ultimate jump. That whole last season was a waste, what a shame from a once brilliant show. Oh yeah, turns out in the end, Bev is straight and Jackie the guy-chaser was really gay. OK...........whatever!!!!!!!!!!!
    The very last season was just bad. It was not fuuny to watch the Conner's with money. The worst part of the whole thing was that John Goodmen was only in about five or six episodes that season. That really ruined things for me. Then they went and pulled the 180 that made the entire last season a part of Roseanne's imagination. Could have ended one of the best shows on TV a lot better!!
    I've never seen episodes from the final season of "Roseanne", not even the very last episode, so I honestly can't say if it jumped - up until that point it stayed pretty damned great, from what I can see. I realize I am in a minority on this page, but I for one was very relieved when Darlene started appearing less on the show - I didn't like her character at all and I don't think Sara Gilbert is a particularly great actress - she has a talent for sarcasm, but her performance was pretty one-note for the duration of the series. You can alays argue that that was her character, which is precisely the reason I didn't like Darlene - a little sarcasm really goes a long way. Roseanne's character was also sarcastic, but at least she showed some heart underneath it - as far as I could see, Darlene was just mean, almost all the time. And to the poster who couldn't fathom what she saw in David, I would venture to guess that she recognized that he was one of the very few guys on the entire planet who could actually put up with all her crap and still love her. I thought Lecy Goranson was great as Becky - way better than Sarah Chalke (and better than Sara Gilbert too, for that matter, although she seemed to get less recognition). The rest of the cast was great - even Roseanne, who developed into quite a good actress. Despite whatever drama was happening behind the scenes on the show, Roseanne always kept it very much an ensemble show rather than a star vehicle. She gave all the other actors plenty of chances to really shine, and she even let the writers do fat jokes at her expense! I'm sure she's probably extremely difficult to deal with in real life, but whatever you want to say about her, this show, for the majority of its run, was brilliant.
    JUMP the shark??? More like Pole Vaulted the shark. Especially winning lottery, Jackie goes from smart and cute to retarded and goofy, everyone's suddenly a lesbo. Basically when Roseanne started getting her way with the show.
    The only time it jumped the shark was when they won the lottery. I didn't mind Dan leaving Roseanne (hey, it spiced up the show, but it was sad) but as soon as they hit the jackpot, the show lost it. Everyone was getting everything they wanted and it was no longer the middle class family we all know and love. How is it funny to see a middle class family get everything they want? How funny is it to see a middle class family fight to live (well, when Roseanne is the mom, pretty damn funny)? I loved seeing a middle class family survive, because it's just like my family. We're not rich, and sometimes we need a little uplifting to make our lives not seem so bad. Then, in comes the money, out goes all the reality of the show. They no longer "need" stuff... they just want the stuff... and get it. I still watched the show from beginning to end, though, no matter how mad I was that Dan left Roseanne and they won the lottery, and so on and so forth. They still had good comedy, but the love wasn't there. And, I dunno why people are getting so worked up about there being a new Becky and Roseanne's mom coming out of the closet... in my opinion, the new Becky is prettier, and Roseanne's mom coming out of the closet was just too darn funny (and juicy!)! So there were some gay moments in the show... what show doesn't have at least a hint of that? Let it go. It made it funny. But definitely, winning the lottery jumped it for me.
    I really enjoyed this show for it's realistic portayal of middle class families. The minute they won the lottery I lost all respect for this show and stopped watching.
    I don't believe Roseanne ever jumped the shark. I'm just more amazed that someone actually thought the last season was a dream. You should have not watched any of it, because you CLEARLY did not get it. Think about it hard, the last scene explains that the ENTIRE SHOW was her biography. She changed some things around once Dan died to help her cope with his death.
    The damn lottery. It started a little before then, but the lottery was the crowning, sharktastic moment. It was like the writers had turned over all responsibility to a bunch of jerks on the street and said, "Give us ideas, and we'll fit them in somehow!" Hence we have about ten different pregnancies, Dan's cheating on Roseanne, his heart attack, and of course the lottery. Suddenly witty, observant Darlene became mealy-mouthed future mom of the year and Jackie became the screeching harpy whose one personality trait is hatred of her mother--or so we'd be led to believe from the fact that she made some comment in regards to it EVERY OTHER LINE. And so not only did the whole plot become implausible and unappealing, the characters turned into totally annoying, 2-d caricatures. And what was with that last episode? It was one of the most nauseating, self-indulgent, pandering things I've ever seen on television.
    I think the show jumped the shark after roseanne, jackie, and bev bought the loose-meat business. There were still funny episodes after this but it was a simple way to take care of Dan loosing the bike buisness. I love this show but that just wasn't realistic, I mean where did Bev get all this money? She helps Roseanne buy into the business and Jackie buy the house Dan fixes up with Tim Curry and she's only getting alimony from a salesman(if I remember right).
    Roseanne is my favorite show and i have seen each episode at least 10 times, it never gets old and Darlene is soo funny but the last season i lost interest after htey won the lottery. The show wasnt the same, it wasnt even funny anymore. The last episode got me tho, it was shocking and sad but good ending, winning the lottery was to unrealistic
    There's definitely a point in time when watching this on Nick at Nite that I use to see if it's gonna be a "good one" or not -- that's most likely the Becky switch. It's not that the episodes are bad after Becky's different, it's just that it's later on in the story and I don't look for those clever things that the first seasons just seemed to have that the other ones didn't. Also, to the posters that say that the final episode clears up the final season -- it does A LOT more than clear up the final season, in that sense. It clears up the entire show, as if you listen to it, the final episode explains that Roseanne made up the entire story and was working on a book, giving us stories of her life as she had wanted it, or thought it should've been; therefore, we never meet the "real" Roseanne and the entire sitcom is just the rewritten or retold stories of the true life of Roseanne, or something, you know?
    I think ABC got on roseannes bad side or something. Why did she have to jump her show like that. The last show completely alienated me. I mean Dan heart attack, darlenes baby, The LOTTERY, why roseanne why? She held ABC ass up for 9 years and was top ten in neilsen every year. When I found out jackie was gay, dan was dead, and darlenes baby situation was really happening between David and Becky. WTF! I think she killed her show because ABC kept butting in being whistle blowers. Roseanne and any long running show not made past 1998 was the last good television well ever see. I can relate to this show. Because people believe it or not have f**ked up lives and this was a good example. This show jumped when ABC wanted to cancel it. TV is on life support and reality tv is going to pull the plug.
    Not only did this show dive downhill after Disneyland (darlene pregnant, win lottery, blah blah blah)...to totally dismiss the show on the series finale? That was pathetic.
    This show jumped when ABC swept Roseanne's growing mental instability under the rug as long as she kept the ratings up. And so her decline into insanity took the show with it, as all the characters suddenly became more and more insane. She started out laughing at herself, but then started getting more and more overly-serious, and the humor went from ironic to just plain mean, and the message just got really preachy and sappy, while the conflict got really politically-correct like someone turning gay, or Jackie getting beat up by her boyfriend etc. It was bad enough that Roseanne's blue-collar white-trash family suddenly celebrated their being broker then ever, by going to Disneyworld, and suddenly becoming the happiest family on earth-- in the very year that Disney bought ABC, no less, which shows that Roseanne was once a whore, and hasn't changed; if she had any guts, she would have had her family tear Disneyland apart. But no, she even has a follow-up episode about "Edelweiss Gardens," a stab at Six Flags which is owned by Disney rival Warner Bros., making it look like a Nazi training-center. But the last straw came when she finally flipped in her final season, and screwed her long-time fans over with that stupid lottery-winning episode and every episode afterward. I couldn't believe all those STUPID joke-scenes with the laugh-track cranked up non-stop, to make it look like this stuff was actually FUNNY. And the "Dallas" series Finale, where it turned out the entire show was completely different, and the lottery thing was just a dream? A more fitting (and funny) ending would be more like a "Seinfeld" Finale-- with Roseanne being carried out in a straight-jacket, and locked up in a mental hospital for good!
    This show JTS when Roseanne has a daydream sequence that they will all become shipwrecked on the boat Dan's building and the Roseanne cast dresses up as the 'Gilligan' cast (Jackie as Gilligan) and recite every joke from every lame hack comic's 'Gilligan' bit. ("If the professor's so smart, why can't he fix the boat?" HA!) 3 or 4 minutes of this would have been more than enough, but it just goes ON AND ON for the entire episode. (This is the turning point. All the other JTS crap started shortly after the 'Gilligan' episode. I.E., Babies, Weddings, Lottery, Everybody's Gay.)
    Although it was unrelated to the demise of the show, Roseanne just lost it around the time DJ's voice started to change. It had just outlived its usefulness. Things got even worse when they killed off John Goodman's character yet continued on anyway. It's a classic example of a show, like The Cosby Show, just hanging on too long.
    ROSEANNE was a consistently smart and sophisticated sitcom about some not so smart and sophisticated people that stayed laugh-out-loud funny for most of its nine seasons on the air. Jackie and Roseanne fighting each other because Jackie wanted to prove she had what it took to be a cop...Darlene's poem "To Whom it Concerns", Roseanne and Dan buying the perfume and the bell when they swore they weren't going to....Darlene trying to change her history grade so she didn't have to quit basketball but couldn't find the right shade of red ink until she offered Becky five months of her allowance to help her...all the Thanksgiving and Halloween episodes...Jackie playing Roxanne in CYRANO DE BERGERAC with Roseanne feeding her the lines from backstage...Dan and Roseanne having Chip's parents over for dinner while Beckey had already started seeing another guy who Roseanne "would consider leaving your father for." Jackie and Roseanne working in the grocery store trying to sell Soya Sausage and Cheese in a can, subsequently getting Mr. Parkin fired...their trip to Disney world...Joan Collins playing Roseanne's Cousin Ronnie. I can't even beging to name all the classic stuff I saw on this show. The show did not rely on a lot of big name guest stars either...their core cast was strong enough. John Goodman could possibly be the most underrated actor in show business today. This man could do anything and I think it's criminal that he never won an Emmy for his work on this show. Laurie Metcalfe was equally brilliant as the screwball Jackie and Sara Gilbert was one of Roseanne's best foils as the dark and demented Darlene. It really didn't jump, but the show did hit a definite bump with the revolving Beckys. Lecy quit then Sarah was hired then Lecy came back for about six episodes and then Sarah was back. I thought it was very smart of the show to address this with the spoof of THE PATTY DUKE SHOW opening they did at the end of one show. But once Lecy quit, it became very difficult to invest in the character of Becky as an audience member and I think it became hard for the writers to write for her too. But I have to say the show definitely jumped the shark when the Conners won the lottery. The whole premise of the show was about a lower middle class family fighting and scratching to survive...stuff that we regular folks could relate to...not paying the bills...the bike shop going bankrupt...the public service being cut off. Most of us just can't relate to having 108 million dollars and the show just got silly after that. Prior to that, though, this was one of the best sitcoms ever.
    My vote is for Roseanne's attitude change and status after she won the lottery. First of all, The whole point of Roseanne's attitude was to show how macho but awesome and funny she was. I enjoyed how Dan Conner dishes out discipline because that easily shows how a parent should treat their children for bad deeds. A growing problem throughout the 1990s was children getting away with things like lying and poor discipline. Best of all, this show had almost all blues music. Blues music is great because it easier to listen to, easier make out to, and easier have fun with than jazz is. That being in terms of the show's music. As for the events, Leon and Scott's wedding wasn't worth it. Let's say this, OK. This should have never happened because it was a waste of time. Second, the wedding musician (annoying organ player) shouldn't have appeared because she had on uglyass glasses and a purple dress. This is a goddamn wedding, not a job intreview! And anyone with big glasses is a freaking geek! Finally, why was Martin Mull on this show? It's a shame ABC let Roseanne fall apart. Oh well....
    This show was so awesome in the beginning. The cast had great chemistry together and was instantly believeable as a family. Becky was the smart pretty one, Darlene was the tomboy, Dj was just the babied younger child, Dan actually was treated as part of the family and made some deceisons, also made some made jokes and was an easy going guy who cared for his family. Roseanne was always laughing and kidding around with her kids. Jackie was great as the baby sister who still looked up to her big sis and hung out with her family and she was especially great as a cop who had boyfriend problems. Then Mark enters the scene and that's when things jumped the shark, really. After Mark came around, Roseanne went from light blue class collar comedy to kind of dramaish with Becky always shrieking at her parents that it was their fault that they had ruined her life. Then she runs off and marries mark, that was the ultimate shark jump. Suddenly Becky is gone and Darlene suddenly becomes the smartest kid in the house. Even when Becky returns, they all act Darlene was never the tomboy who was always waited last minute to do her homework. Instead, suddenly she's always been this saracastic gothic bitch who has always wanted to be a writer and puts down everybody else in her family like she's far above them. Shark jump two is when David, Darlene's boyfriend moves into the house. That was just stupid. Why would the conners let Mark's brother move into their home where other teenage daughter lives? Besides, don't they hate Mark? Shark Jump three is the changes to Roseanne. Now, instead of laughing and joking around with her kids, she is always being sarcastic and talking about being white trash like it's a medal that she has earned. she gets lots of surgeries and does not look herself. she starts to disrespect dan alot around this time, by no longer allowing him to be an equal partner in their relationship. she takes over the entire family. next shark jump was all the gayness that suddenly came out of nowhere to this show. leon being gay was fine. i liked how he wasn't a typical gay sterotype and was just a regular guy but then her mom turned gay, she kisses a woman, she throws a gay wedding for leon and his boyfriend that is sterotypical gay, her best friend nancy is gay. shark jump number five is the lottery win. that was a huge mistake. noone wanted to see roseanne go to the spa and it was just awful what they did to jackie's character. who took over playing her? was it the same person who played gilligan on gilligan's island? after she won the lottery, lots of bad plots followed like where she fights ninjas on a train or dan cheats on her or jackie dates the prince or they spend time with the rich family. another shark jump that happened a little bit before the lottery win was having jackie get pregnant, marry fred and get divorced. why did that ever happen? it served no purpose other than for roseanne to bring up doing the episode that they were so white trash that jackie was getting married when she was showing. speaking of babies being shark jumpers, add darlene's baby and roseann'es baby to that list too. none of them was needed. the last episode was the worse about this show. it was such a letdown and really confusing especially the part where she said she rewrote some things. worse last episode of all time.
    Was there anyone left on this show who at some point wasn't gay? I mean, gay characters are fine, but Roseanne went overboard in whatever social statement she wanted to get across. On another note, I thought Dan always liked Mark better than David, which I never understood. Mark treated Becky like crap, whereas David treated Darlene with respect (Darlene actually ran roughshod over him), yet Dan had a certain disdain toward David. Maybe he liked Mark better since he was a mechanic and more "guyish," but it never made sense to me why he embraced the more disrespectful brother-in-law.
    This show is one of the greatest to be on TV. It was original, smart, edgy and FUNNY. I absolutely adore watching the reruns everyday. That being said, this show had a definitive JTS moment and it was well before the Conners won the lottery! It was when the new Becky came into town. Sara Chalke played this character horribly. Her acting made the women in porn look like Emmy calibur actresses. It was almost unbearable. Ever notice how she'd walk into a room, squabble for a moment with her mom or dad, and then go running up the stairs-aaaaahhhh, that happened every ****ing episode! Following the new Becy, Roseanne went from being a hard ass loving mom to a plain old bitch. (And the real Roseanne began using her show to send "messages" about drugs or politics). Mark went from being a rebel to a braindead dumbass. David became a woman, DJ was a ****ing annoying idiot-remember when he wanted to become a filmmaker? Dan was obsolete eventually, Darlene was too sarcastic and the greatest character, Jackie became a shell of the former character-like a cartoon version of the original. When Dan and Roseanne decided to have another kid was ridiculous and of course theres all this trouble with the pregnancy and then theres the birth episode which was essentially presented like an acid flashback and they name their kid Jerry Garcia. When Darlene gets pregnant and they have that hippie wedding and Dan has the heart attack-stupid and not one funny moment. When they win the lottery was the topper. Fights with terrorists on a train and Jackie dating a prince, hanging out with socialites in the Hamptons, befriending those bitches from Absolutely Fabulous! And Darlene's kid is born all premature and is a miracle baby-unwatchable. When everyone, including Bev becomes gay-nothing wrong with being gay, but suddenly all these people are suddenly gay??? The Final Episode was a doozy. Turns out the last 2 seasons, or the entire show, were all bull****-a figment of the author Roseanne's imagination. Jackie's a lesbian, Dan's dead, Becky was married to David, Darlene was married to Mark. And then they trot out Crystal and Nancy for the last episode and I dont think they even spoke any lines, and its like, where the hell have they been for the past two or three years, anyway? What happened to this show was truly unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!
    A bunch of things went wrong on Roseanne pretty close together. But when Becky started to be played by a different actress, it seemed like the first in a series of icky things that led up to the end of the show. First, Becky is replaced with a new actress. That's always hard to adjust to, regardless of the actor/actress. Then, DJ going through puberty was very weird. Ick. Finally, when the Connors won the lottery, the show became un-watchable.
    This show jumped the shark when they changed the opening credits scene from the family sitting around the table eating to that Michael-Jackson-morphing thing with the charachters standing in a line like cartoon cut-outs, because that is about the time the show lost its realism being about a working class family and all the characters became cartoon like.
    It could've jumped when they went to Disneyworld, but Roseanne did a couple episodes that delivered some great F you's to Disney for forcing them to shoot that episode. Unfortunately, it did jump a few months later when they won the lottery, and there was just no cure for that. That in and of itself wouldn't have been so bad, but it set off a chain reaction. Dan had an affair, Jackie dated that prince played Jim Varney... EARNEST playing a prince? And then there were all those crappy episodes from that long vacation the family took. It's always sad to see a good show take such a downward turn, but at least it happened close to the end of the show's run, instead of going on for three or four seasons this way.
    "Roseanne" is one of my all time favorite shows. Unlike some of the other squeaky clean, corny crapfests on TV (oh lets just say Full House for example), the Conners were a believable average American family. I loved Aunt Jackie- my favorite all time episode is Stash from the Past when Dan & Roseanne are in the bathroom talking then suddenly you hear a voice say "nobody loves me" and they open and shower curtain and Jackie is sitting in the tub. Hilarious! And when Jackie had to call the aunt and tell her their father died..."DAD IS NO LONGER WITH US" I cried from laughing so much. I agree that the last season was barely tolerable-Roseanne fighting the terrorists, the spa adventures, Edgar Wellman...just plain boring. But I think the show really went downhill when Sarah Chalke replaced Lecy Goranson as Becky. Although I found the 2 Beckys jokes funny, Sarah just wasn't believable as Becky. Lecy always had such chemistry with all the other actors. Whenever Darlene or Roseanne would pick on her she'd get all embarrassed and defensive. Sarah-Becky was just dull and had no purpose whatsoever. I don't understand why they felt the need to even have a new Becky in the first place. Lecy went off to college, thus the reason she couldn't do the role of Becky anymore, but by then Becky wasn't even a main character anymore. Lecy came back to guest star as Becky on future episodes, and I think they should have just left it at that instead of bringing in Sarah.
    When Jackie, Roseanne's sister got married. We were always wondering when will she meet her man, and when she did and got married, the show lost its spunk. She moved next door to her sister and things got boring. They had the restaurant to support them and were no longer struggling. The entire show was based on the struggle. Now they were just two boring old ladies visiting each other daily, exhibiting poor parenting skills never seen in prior episodes. After the lottery, the show went to hell.
    I was/am a huge fan of the tv show Roseanne. I thought that the show is one of the more realistic shows on tv. I, for one, can definitely relate more to Roseanne and her family than all of those plastic 'Friends' or spoiled rich-kids on 'The O.C'. I especially related to Darlene on the show. We're the same age, and I could definitely relate to her while growing up. Although I agree with the Jumping the Shark and the lotto fiasco (although the actual show when Jackie lets everyone know they won was hilarious), I would go with Darlene getting pregnant. It just didn't fit well with her character. Darlene hated babies, and kids in general, and then she gets pregnant at 19. Although that is realistic I guess, since I consider myself so much of a 'Darlene' I would have died at the prospect of being a mother that young. I thought it was the wrong direction to take. Especially those weepy 'Save Darlene's Baby' episodes. Yech.
    During the 7th Season Roseanne started to run out of gas. This began when in real life Roseanne had problems with her pregnancy. As a result she missed several episodes or only appeared in a scene or two. This began in an episode where Roseanne had to stay in bed.
    Roseanne jumped the shark when she won the lottery and broke up with Dan. Because of the way that this aspect of the show was handled I am unable to watch any part of the series. I could not believe that Dan (not the Dan I had grown to know), would ever leave his family, ever. The show became stupid. But, the show was on the Shark pool jump ramp the year before the lottery any way.
    This show jumped the shark when Becky got married to Mark...Also, when they moved into the house...what is this? Full House the next generation???It just seemed so dumb!...Also, whats with Sarah Chalke taking over Becky???....the original Becky was a rebel and not sweet...it was overall bad acting!...horrible seasons!
    If I had to mark a moment when Roseanne jumped the shark it would have to when Sarah Chalke began as Becky in Season 6. The show had actually been in decline prior to that however. I thought Roseanne was a very high quality show realistically portraying the life of a lower-middle class midwestern family. It was also, of course, very funny. The first season was good if tentative. By the second season the writers and actors seemed to know the characters better and this began the show's peak, seasons 2,3 and 4. By season 5 (if you need reminding, it's the one where Becky marries Mark, David moves in, the Lunch Box is opened and Jackie has an abusive boyfriend) the show was still watchable but there were a few terrible episodes (the Joan Collins guest appearance for example) and and overall drop in quality was noticeable. By the the sixth season the show and was just getting bad and would get progressively worse until its end. Roseanne's character had always been a domineering, sarcastic mother but by this point had seemed to develop an uppealing nasty streak. Plus, while she was previous portayed as the glue that kept her family together, she was prone to misjudgement like all parents. The Roseanne of season 6 and on was nearly infallible which made her seem incredibly egotistical and all the other characters seem rather stupid. By the time new Becky appeared in episode 9, it was over. This wasn't the fault of Sarah Chalke, per se, but when I see a rerun of the show her presence is how I know it won't be worth watching.
    I think Roseanne JTS after Jackie had her baby. Jackie was never "herself" after that event. She was portrayed as goofy (someone else mentioned that she was replaced by Don Knotts that last two seasons). Jackie had always been my favorite character, but after the baby, I could't bear to watch her.
    This show jumped many times over its LONG run. Everyone turns gay is one time that comes to mind and the boyfriends living in the house is the other biggy. Someone noted on here they thought the Connors were the average middle class family. If thats true, my family was upper class. The trashy immoral Connors made my family look like the Cleavers. This show is only slightly better than Full House and Family Matters.
    I believe Roseanne jumped when Sarah Chalke replaced Lecy Goranson as Becky. Chalke just didn't have the fire that Goranson gave to Becky. I remember reading somewhere that 'Roseanne has the most realistic teen in Darlene.' Well, they were half right. The show had the most realistic teen, but it wasn't Darlene, it was early Becky. Here's a run down of Becky's exploits: 1) drove her mother wild by giving her the royal silent treatment, 2) broke into the liquor cabinet when her parents were away, 3) pretended she gave the finger in the class photo to be popular, 4) hung out at the mall with her friends all the time, 5) began dating the bad boy that gave her parents nightmares, 6) lied and snuck off to see bad boyfriend 7) ran away to aunt's house because parents wouldn't let her see bad boyfriend, 8) allowed bad boyfriend to drive dad's motorcycle, 9) asked to get birth control pills, 10) ran off and eloped with bad boyfriend, breaking parent's hearts. Now that is a realist teen. All Darlend ever did was throw out monotoned, sarcastic one-liners that were too intelligent for someone her age to come up with. Season 1-4 were definitely the best.
    Roseanne was a damn good show when it started in 1988. It was probably the most brutally honest portrayal of cheap white trash in the slums of rural Illinois I have seen to date (up to a point on the show). I don’t know the seasons, so forgive me for this – Roseanne was good from Day one up to the point she, Jackie, Crystal, Anne Marie (her standin), and the ol’ Babe quit Wellman Plastics because of Booker’s replacement. Now in a reality, the women wouldn’t have quit their jobs like that despite Faber being a tight asstwit. After they quit, the show had its first JTS. It totally took away from the Norma Rae element I think the show had, about these women with all these dreams stuck in the bowels of the American Dream. From this point on you had baby sharks floating. Roseanne changed the last name to Arnold, Tom Arnold becomes a regular on the show, Jackie becomes a young Rose Nylund from the Golden Girls, and Crystal becomes desperate as all hell. Jackie was one of the best characters on the show, and they just turned her into a career juggling hoe hopper. Her life should be the biggest JTS moment in the history of television. She goes from being intelligent and analytical to the biggest neurotic that is in desperate need of ritalin! She was with Booker, Gary, Fisher…from Fisher on she was a mess, especially after the beatings. She then ends up with a messed up haircut, looks like Ellen Degeneress on crack, and winds up getting knocked up by the likes of Fred and having the nerve to have a baby. Terrible. Then Crystal, my favorite character on the show. She was the neurotic that the show had and needed as a balance for Roseanne’s inner circle of family and friends. But when they gave that to Jackie, she took up with Dan’s father??????????? And then proceeded to breed babies for the man faster than slaves did for their masters. Then she vanished without a trace from the show, never to be heard from again. Then there was Bonnie, who was Roseanne’s bud from work, what happened to her??????????? She was the one who really could have been developed as a psuedo badass biker on the show instead of recruiting Sandra Bernheard on the friggin show. Geeez. Then Anne Marie disappeared, who seemed to be really cool with Roseanne and the gang…she was last seen at DJ’s thanksgiving murdering play around the last season with 1 line. Then there were Dan’s pals. There was Dwight, who never could get his rap together, Roseanne’s first hubby who lived across the street from them, whatever father moved next door to the Connor’s in later seasons, and Anne Marie’s husband Chuck. And of course later, Arnie. I felt sorry for Dan when I saw him in later seasons playing poker with David, Mark, and Leon. 2nd JTS moment – When Roseanne lost her job at the Rodbell’s diner. Jackie by this time and went from Truck Driver to Cop, and had lost that job after getting shot in the but and some spill from Roseanne about how dangerous it all was. When the diner closed, the show really lost that Middle class edge, and I only say that because Dan’s motorcycle shop really didn’t get that much exposure unless it was something about Mark messing up Becky’s life. It really was in poor taste for the writers to let the show go to hell at this point, but when you got lovebirds Tom and Roseanne Arnold writing the show, with half the team coked out their wits, what do you expect. 3rd JTS moment – the adolescence of all the Conner kids. The 2 Becky thing aside, the whole spill on Becky getting birth control, slipping out with Mark and being buck wild were great. I saw it as Roseanne/Dan’s teenage romps biting them back in the buns. But the writers took the easy way out. If folks can remember, Mark was a punk kid, had a smart attitude, a genius working on bikes and cars, and had massive attitude. After they got married he got cloned into a Gilligan. Another pawn into getting cheap laughs. People were drawn into their relationship because we knew he was a bad boy, and he came back a imitation geek. Now Darlene too had a good progression. I can totally relate to her dissimilation of the world and reality after finding out things that were blind to her and becoming a goth kid. But they paired her with David, who was totally submissive to her and just not a good match. He wasn’t funny, didn’t have any depth, and other than being the first boy she slept with, he really didn’t have any usefulnesss. And it didn’t help that he was Mark’s brother. That whole scenario of David being verbally abused by his mother just didn’t fit when you never heard Mark discuss it, you know? DJ – he was the cute little puppy faced kid, who got uglier as the years passed on screen. I mean his character. He couldn’t act to begin with, and when he got older, storylines about his questioned sexuality (the Halloween one about him being a witch) and playing with Todd (who had the mother from hell) just were fillers. Then when Roseanne decided to compete with Jackie and have a baby, he became unneeded. He really didn’t have a place in the family because stories weren’t developed around his evolution. One day we all looked up and there he was, deep voiced and 5’9. 4th JTS – Roseanne competing with Ellen on who can be the most coolest on their show outing gay characters. First Roseanne kissed Mariel Hemmingway. Ok, fine. Then Leon was outed. Ok, we knew that was coming. But then Bev is gay, Jackie is gay-acting, Nancy is gay, everything is gay, David is questioning his gayness, AGHGHGHGHHHHH! It was just enough. It made all the characters so shallow and superficial. I mean damn, how many gay people can we get in Lanford? 5th JTS – Hair care/plastic surgery of the whole damn cast!!! Roseanne had a couple face lifts, weave/hair cuts that were hiddeous (everything after she was a red head). Then she had liposuction, chin tucks, and they just made her look old and rechid. Jackie went blond and curly, then grew her hair out then cut it like a boy which really showed her “gayness”. Dan grew a mane n tail doo, then the wilderbeast beard. Hiddeous. Darlene just never had a clue with her pitch black hair, but she definetely needed to tuck that chin in after her face lift. Becky number 1 went into a page boy cut when she married Mark, and it was ugly. DJ always rocked the Moe Howard cut and they needed to take the bowl off the child’s head and cut it correctly, instead of around the bowl. 6th JTS – The fantasy world of Roseanne Barr/Pendleton/Arnold/Whoever the hell. She first gave us a taste of her unfunny imagination with the bathtub musical. As she got more and more control of her show on the writing end, we just have random thoughts in her day. The borrowed train siege from Under Siege 2 Dark Territory. Her romance with Wellman Junior. Her erasing her inlaws, friends, and most family from the show. Lets face it, the woman is a comic, and comics aren’t the best writers on a sitcom if they can’t get off the stage. Just ask Jerry Seinfeld. 7th JTS – Roseanne was a bitch. This show had more directors than All My Children has seasons. Her rapor with her crew and cast DEFINETELY affected this show in a bad way. You can tell early on it was a joy, but when the Golden Girls are cracking jokes on you with one liners, and jolly John Goodman leaves the show, you’re eeeeeviillllll. Sad to say, Roseanne brought a great show down because of her own temperment, and because of it, she’ll never be able to have another sitcom again. 8th JTS – Roseanne blackballs her entire cast from having an acting future. Because of her antics (from grabbing her crotch singing the National Anthem on down), John Goodman, Laurie Metcalf, Sara Gilbert, and the rest of the lot are still unable to come out of the molds of their characters from that show AND/OR are accused of being just that difficult to work with as well. Laurie was last seen in Scream 2, and John was in Blues Brothers 2000. Sara was seen smoking pot in college, and Lecy who??? Now you have the evolution of Roseanne.
    I used to watch Roseanne all the time with my mom. But one day, I suddenly felt that the TV show (and Roseanne herself) jumped the shark when my mother thought that a dumb TV show about a blue-collar housewife was more important than watching our hometown professional baseball team (Toronto Blue Jays) win their first World Series championship. It started like this. I just got home from my friend's house where I played his brand new Super NES machine. My mother was upstairs talking to one of her female friends so I flipped the channel of the vacant TV to the World Series. 15 minutes later, the bases were loaded in the crucial moment of the World Series and Mom yelled at me to put back on Roseanne. I had to read the newspaper the next day to find out that Toronto won that game. I don't remember the exact game number, but it was a crucial game in the World Series.
    Definitely the dying-baby episode for me. I can't stand it when long-running comedy series decide to go dramatic - It's as if they're thinking "Hey, people care about the characters now, so we can get away with writing a few less jokes". This episode was 30 minutes of Roseanne blustering "I don't care what it costs, I want the best for that baby". It's been a while since I saw it, but I'm willing to put money on there being a scene where a 'snooty' (i.e. well-spoken and so obviously evil) doctor tells her there's nothing they can do to save it and she 'puts him in his place'. We tuned in to see a comedy. So tell some darned jokes.
    When perky tomboy Darlene got her period, and started growing TEETH "down there--" obviously turning into a young Roseanne Barr, as Roseanne (the REAL Roseanne) started taking over the show to make everyone worship her like the insecure, self-hating bitch that she is (and was). This was one of the FIRST shark-jumps of many, like Fonzie at Sea World.
    It really jumped when the Becky's were switched. But the quality of the show started declining each season, believe it or not, after Tom Arnold left. Roseanne's character became more and more mean, and more out of touch with reality. This show was originally praised for it's realism. What is descended into was a joke.
    Roseanne is perhaps the worst JTS in television history. The exact moment Rosanne JTS is difficult to pinpoint, but if I had to give one precise episode, I'd say it was when Becky eloped. That was the end of the familiar format of the show. You knew then the dynamics of the show were forever changed. There were still some classic episodes after that (DJ masturbating, Roseanne and Dan getting stoned, even the David character wasn’t all that bad), but the show was different without the same three kids. It totally went down hill when they reintroduced Becky but with a different actress. That was extremely lame. Yet it was still somewhat watchable, although no longer a must see like its first four seasons. The final nail in the coffin, however, was when Roseanne won the lottery. After that, the show became a parody of itself and as its ratings indicated, it was beyond watchable. Roseanne is perhaps the worst JTS in television history, with Happy Days coming in a close second. I suppose the real reason why Roseanne’s jump was so major was that Roseanne the real life actress went loony and started thinking she was abducted by aliens and gang raped by her entire family. You can’t expect anything quality from someone so far from reality. She was (and is) a basket case.
    What made her think she could retain control of writing. Man did this go bizarely south when that happened. The writers she hired were absolutely horrible.
    Fake Becky. She just didn't have the same chemistry or personality as the original. Also, this wasn't supposed to be a cutesy show, so what's with all the babies - Jackie's, Roseanne's (unnecessary for the show), and Darlene (yeah, right!). Then, of course, winning the lottery. It just got boring after that. Dan was cool, wish they'd kept him.
    This show was made for the low income family's. It was made for you to be able to relate to, yes there was a lot of fantasy towards the end. but be real here ... if you lost your husband your gonna have your own methods to deal. she just made it seem as though she hit the lottery and it solved her problems.. but it didnt solve the problem. thats what it was really meaning.. money isnt the answer to everything and as far as the music goes it was nothing more than a signal for the end.. letting you know what was happening the show was coming to a close. for those of you who didnt understand the last episode go back and watch it.. all it was about was telling what really happened.. it all made since.. david was always better with becky and darleen was always better with dumb ass mark.. her having a baby was meant to show not everything a person sets out to do they accomplish.. in real life.. how many people say Im not having kids till I graduate college and get a job build a house... blah blah and then end up pregnant and married by age 19... thats what that was all about.. everything in the show was a way for some one to relate to it. no nothing was perfect but i have to admit id rather watch the totally screwed up family of Roseanne than the supposedly perfect one of Leave it to Beaver. At least I can relate to the characters in Roseanne.................
    Roseanne Conner was originally a fat bitchy house wife. However, she was also very down to earth and was a very warm loveable character. At some point this character was murdered and replaced by Roseanne (the real life Roseanne) a bitchy bitch of a diva with very few redeaming qualities. If you watch the show from season to season you will see her transform into this character. Also the show loses its life when all the characters melt into one collective whining baby. It's not even worth it to talk about them winning the lottery because the show was completely murdered at that point. Roseanne (the real Roseanne) must agree with everyone about the lottery because she tries to undo it at the very end of the series and kills Dan Conner in the process. I think at that point she was so drunk with her control over the show that she just did **** to see it magically apear on T.V.
    I think that the point where this show began to head downhill was when Becky eloped with Mark. After that, Roseanne went from being a caustic but loving mother to being a total b****. There were still quite a few good episodes after this, and the show didn't get consistently bad until a couple of seasons later, but this was the beginning of the downward slide.
    When Dan started acting stupid, like around the seventh but especially the eight season, like in the episode where Roseanne, Jackie, and Jerry go for a car ride and Dan wants to be home alone, I thought Dan's character acted in a dumb way. I guess also with Sarah Chalke replacing Becky, because she is just someone that was not right for the role. She was just a dumb blonde really, nothing more to say about her. I thought the eight season was a jump up from the seventh season, because Lecy returned, and she was the real Becky. The ninth season was really good in my opinion- a hole new flavor to the show. It was better than the seventh season and the sixth mainly because Sarah Chalke was only in like 4 or 5 episodes in season 9, but I thought winning the lottery fit the description of the Connors
    It was the point where Dan grew a beard, Old Becky came back to the show just as we had got used to new Becky. She was acting like old becky again. Then a few episodes later, new Becky came back AGAIN & acted like new Becky again. Roseanne had her baby approximately this period & so did Jackie.(maybe a little before) This show when straight DOWNHILL WITH NO BREAKS!!!! The show completely lost it's funny & it's beleivability at this point!! I have not seen much past these parts, but here is what I hear happens: Soon Darlene becomes pregnant & married, the Conners win the lottery, & the big loveable Dan cheats on his wife (He just does not seem like that kind of person. Maybe she had just become that much of a cold-hearted, unfunny bitch for him to deal with.)
    Okay, for some reason when I think about Roseanne "jumping the shark" Jackie breaking up with Gary instantly comes to mind. Lecy Goranson leaving and Lori's Jackie turning into a buffoon also nailed the proverial nail in the coffin, IMO. The latter wsa probably the most painful for me as a fan of the show. I hate it when shows take the easy way out trying to get laughs by making a character(s) a moron. My favorite seasons of Roseanne are 2-8. The first seaon was too fluffy and the last two were...weird. You have to give Roseanne her due, though. Anyway,Roseanne,like they say, "when it was good, it was real good."
    This show, I think, has jumped the shark multiple times. However, every time except ONCE they have recovered and our regularly schedule programming resumed without harm. Jackie's pregnancy/marriage, the flip flopping Beckies (plus both actresses seemed to play two totally different characters), the birth of Jerry and Andy, and the coming out of the closet of several characters. Still nonetheless, the show produced good shows and stories despite those flaws. But once you take out the special qualities that Roseanne had: the struggle of a middle class family, conflict, hilarious back and forth talk--with the addition of money and comfort, you have no longer an interesting show, but one of shells of characters that once lived. And there was no recovering.
    The show JTS when Roseanne began using it as a platform to make political and philosophical statements that pretty much went against the grain of blue collar middle America. In real life, Roseanne's sister is gay, and Jackie was slated to be gay---but her sexuality was portrayed as hetero during the first season when she was involved with George Clooney's chracter, who turned out to be abusive. Eventually Jackie's sexuality was revealed to be more homo than heterosexual, as was most of the other characters. In addition, Roseanne Connor's parents were portrayed as having been abusive and ignorantly bad parents (she should have been in therapy on every episode), the mother was crazy, Dan's father was a womanizer, the characters like Krystal just sort of disappeared off the horizon, Shelly Winters as Grandma was presented as hip and normal.....the list goes on and on and on, and the show jumped the shark as soon as its writers were obligated to put that kind of drivel in, since people were not tuning in to be lectured at or educated, but only entertained......
    I didn't mind the different Beckys (I liked the second one better). It was a mistake to have less of Darlene (she was awesome) and more of DJ (he was awful). Mark becoming more of a moron each season was painful to watch. I soooo missed the old Roseanne of the first few seasons. She and the whole cast were great back then and the story lines were realistic and relatable.
    I liked "Roseanne," but Sarah Chalke replacing Lecy Goranson as "Becky" was too much! Sarah Chalke is an exccellent actress, but she didn't have the same sassy attitude that the original "Becky" had! It also jumped when "Roseanne" focused on Jackie constantly going from one bad relationship to another and from one job to another. Instaed of Jackie being the young, hip younger sister, she appeared as the younger sister, who just couldn't get her life straight, which made Roseanne seem like the winning character of the two because she had a family and a bigger house; although, it definitely was a far cry from a luxurious mansion, it was much better than living in an apartment and eventually that really small house that Jackie FINALLY gets. It also jumped the shark for the 3rd time when they bought the diner. As expensive as real estate is, it's not likely that you could afford to buy a diner for a mere $20,000-30,000. It would cost you several hundred thousand dollars by the time you add in the food, the payroll, the cost of the actual site, etc.--not realistic!
    It was definitely when Roseanne split with Dan. They were MADE for each other. Literally. Why would they do that to her and Dan? I loved the show before they got rich, i mean I love their house design, but lord, it was made to be blue-collared and should always be, not some gay, rich soap opera.
    The season the family won the lottery. What a jump! I also agree with previous posters comments on the signs to come: Jackie, once an interesting character,became stupid; two Beckys (one who acted like a real teenager and one who couldn't act but had a Canadian accent); the Jackie Thomas Show; Roseanne's facelifts and her tan; Darlene became bitchy and just delivered a bunch of one liners each episode; interesting supporting characters leave and never come back (Booker, Crystal, Anne Marie). The first few seasons were great...it was just a well-written show with interesting characters about a blue collar family that was a standard sitcom show. The writers moved away from that and turned them into stock characters from the Sitcom 101 book. I am all for characters evolving..but why become dumber or like every other sitcom character on tv. Then it became some celebrity driven show. Do writers honestly think that bringing celebrities in will help a show? Okay, Tim Curry, Sandra Bernhard, Martin Mull and Fred Willard were talented (still are) and underused, but 99% of the time most guest star celebrities do a poor job on sitcoms or look out of place- even if they aren't supposedly playing themselves. The episodes with Sharon Stone, Joan Collins, Shelley Winters (who plays a feisty grandmother) and especially, Debbie Reynolds, are horrible.
    The third and fourth seasons of this “Roseanne” are a text-book case of a promising sitcom hitting its stride. Roseanne Barr herself had greatly improved as an actress since the first season; John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf were first rate; and Sara Gilbert and Lecy Goranson as daughters Darlene and Becky came into their own. Throw in a solid group of recurring characters (Crystal, Leon, Bonnie, Kathy the snobby neighbor) and excellent stories (Jackie does community theater; Roseanne hurts her back and her mother spoils the kids; Roseanne considers breast reduction) and you have a wonderful run of episodes. Unfortunately, this started to fall apart during the fifth season – some of the better writers started leaving; and Becky ran off with Mark, leaving Darlene lost without her sparring partner. Worse, the character of Roseanne Conner herself began to change – always sarcastic, Roseanne had a warm, even selfless side (catch the episode where she backs down to neighbor Kathy because it means DJ will have a friend). You can see that she’d be fun to have a few beers with. Starting with the fifth season and continuing to the end of the series, Roseanne became an increasingly shrill, callous, self-important bitch who was downright nasty to her family and friends at times. Maybe this reflected the real Roseanne Barr, who knows? The writing also declined – it seemed that the writers were more concerned with being controversial (Roseanne kisses Mariel Hemingway; Bev is gay; DJ masturbates) than being funny. The cast changed, too – ditzy best friend Crystal was eased out in favor of the grotesque Sandra Berhardt as Nancy. Worse, the genuinely underrated Goranson, as the bright, eager-to-succeed Becky, was replaced by miscast Sarah Chalke, whose Becky became an airhead who lived in a trailer and waited tables. Suddenly, Darlene was making jokes about the intelligence of the former straight-A student Becky – what was that about?. Gilbert’s Darlene became terribly one note – how she got all the accolades, with her poker-faced, Tina Yothers-esque performances, while Goranson got none, is beyond me. I won’t even discuss the final season or series finale – that whole year is a train wreck. If only they could have kept up the quality of years three and four for a few more seasons, “Roseanne” would stand as one of the top sitcoms of all time.
    The third and fourth seasons of “Roseanne” are a text-book case of a promising sitcom hitting its stride. Roseanne Barr herself had greatly improved as an actress since the first season; John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf were first rate; and Sara Gilbert and Lecy Goranson as daughters Darlene and Becky came into their own. Throw in a solid group of recurring characters (Crystal, Leon, Bonnie, Kathy the snobby neighbor) and excellent stories (Jackie does community theater; Roseanne hurts her back and her mother spoils the kids; Roseanne considers breast reduction) and you have a wonderful run of episodes. Unfortunately, this started to fall apart during the fifth season – some of the better writers started leaving, and Becky ran off with Mark, leaving Darlene lost without her sparring partner. Worse, the character of Roseanne Conner herself began to change – always sarcastic, Roseanne at first had a warm, even selfless side (catch the episode where she backs down to neighbor Kathy because it means DJ will have a friend). You can see that she’d be fun to have a few beers with. Starting with the fifth season, though, and continuing to the end of the series, Roseanne became an increasingly shrill, callous, self-important bitch who was downright nasty to her family and friends at times. Maybe this reflected the real Roseanne Barr, who knows? The writing also declined – it seemed that the writers were more concerned with being controversial (Roseanne kisses Mariel Hemingway; Bev is gay; DJ masturbates) than being funny. The cast changed, too – Bonnie disappeared, and ditzy best friend Crystal was eased out in favor of the grotesque Sandra Berhardt as Nancy. Worse, the genuinely underrated Goranson, as the bright, eager-to-succeed Becky, was replaced by miscast Sarah Chalke, whose Becky became an airhead who lived in a trailer and waited tables. Suddenly, Darlene was making jokes about the intelligence of the former straight-A student Becky – what was that about? Gilbert’s Darlene became awfully one note – how she got all the accolades, with her poker-faced, Tina Yothers-esque performances, while Goranson got none, is beyond me. I won’t even discuss the final season or series finale – that whole year is a train wreck. If only they could have kept up the quality of years three and four for a few more seasons, “Roseanne” would stand as one of the top sitcoms of all time.
    I think "Roseanne" jumped the shark at about the time Darlene started dressing gothic and moping around the house, sopping wet with sarcasm I'm not sure if that was the third or fourth season. The show started out alright. I think it was a good depiction of a family that wasn't upper-middle class, that lived in a non-descript little town, where people are blue-collar and down-to-earth. It just went out of control in about '91. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it seemed as though the writers or Roseanne or whoever started making fun of the working class instead of making fun of the working class lifestyle. Both daughters got snotty and shacked up with their boyfriends. I understood how Becky's character could end up that way, but Darlene was always presented as the more strong-willed, sharp one. It seemed wrong that Sara Gilbert would be forced to shove so much sarcasm into each and every sentence I mean, come on. I saw the Larry King interview with the cast. She seemed like a nice person. You'd think they would have made her character less annoying and abrasive because she didn't deliver it well. It always sounded forced. Plus, I thought Dan and Roseanne lost some of their working class charm when it became apparent that their kids were so spoiled. Dan should have kicked Mark's ass, that's what my dad would have done. That's what any self-respecting, hard-working man would have done to the obvious delinquent that was Mark. Mark's character got unrealistic, too. He started out as a believable delinquent and turned into a harmless dummy. The realism that made it funny just disappeared after awhile. Sure, the final season was goofy, but the show jumped a few years earlier.
    Most people say that "Roseanne" jumped the shark when the Connors won the lottery. But I feel that "Roseanne" became a sucky show long before that. The last truly great episode of the show was in Season 5; beginning with Season 6, Roseanne had gotten that awful plastic surgery, which left her looking like a melting wax figure; Sarah Chalke (who quickly proved herself as the worst actress ever) was introduced as Becky; Jackie got herself knocked up and eventually gets married (and later, divorced); Darlene goes to college, taking away what could have been a bright spot in an otherwise-dismal show; and on and on and on. Dan, Roseanne, and all the rest of them just became caricatures of themselves. The early seasons of this show are what make it one of my Top Ten favorite sitcoms ever, but I can't even sit through anything past Season 5.
    When they bought "The Lunch Box". Seemed like Roseanne went from convincingly being "Roseanne", to obviously pretending. It turned into a ho-hum sitcom. I did love the ending. I felt like it tied all of those not-so-great shows together, telling why the last season was so unbelievably unbelievable. It was her fantasy to get her through Dan's death.
    To be honest, the show made a gradual leap towards the Shark and in the series finale the show actually turned around and jumped BACK OVER the shark. It began when several things happened but didn't actually leap over it entirely until Roseanne hit the lottery. Then the last shred of whatever Roseanne stood for, a blue collar family with real problems and a lot of humor, was suddenly and completely lost. Towards the end of the series gradual declines in the series were evident, but the moments that lead towards the jumping were, notably, Becky being replaced (though her new actress was likable, but without any real endurance to the fans of the show), Becky getting married, Darlene hitting puberty, Darlene going to college, Darlene getting PREGNANT, DAN leaving, Dan 'cheating' on Roseanne, the increasing shrillness and insanity of Jacky, all of these on any other show were potential shark jumpers but somehow Roseanne still had that last little remnants of its original appeal, that were finally and completley lost when the Connors won the lottery. It was then any hope of the old Roseanne coming back or at least what made it good coming back dissappeared entirely.
    I have to say the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. It just didn't seem to be the funny laugh out loud show anymore. I also hated it when they told me Darlene really married Mark and Becky married David. Darlene and David were my (and still are) my favorite characters and i can't picture them with other people. Its still my favorite show and I love watching the reruns on Nick@Nite and WB, but most of the last season was totally out of line and it should have ended after the eighth season.
    The BIG jump occurred with the start of the last season (winning the lottery and all of the far-fetched, poorly-written and badly acted episodes that followed.), but the show took a good-sized shark jump when the Conners and their next-door neighbors go to California to appear on "The Jackie Thomas Show". A feeble attempt, on Roseanne's part,to save her real-life husband's failing series!!On the plus side with this show,my favorite episode was the Thanksgiving Pageant.I also loved the Lanford Days one,where another "true-to-life" pageant was performed (starring,as in the Thanksgiving episode,D.J.)and Loretta Lynn sings with Roseanne AND eats a loose-meat sandwich.My other comments on the series?Jackie and Dan were great,Darlene was the most interesting character,and the original Becky had more personality and dimension than her Canadian-accented "replacement".
    This show jumped after the third seasons. IT just got more and more ridiculous with Crystal marrying Dan's father and having his kid. Then they just sort of disapper off the show. The show was unwatchable during the last couple of seasons. Roseanne became a witch and all the other cast members had to do what she wanted. But seasons 1, 2, and 3 were awesome.
    The great thing about Roseanne was that it addressed normal, everyday, blue-collar, middle class family life. When they hit the jackpot, the show lost its soul. And Jackie, who'd been hilarious the entire run of the show, suddenly became very... unfunny. Like a female Don Knotts. What was up with that cop-out of a series finale? I hate it when shows do that. I love the show so much, it just sucked that they chose to end it that way.
    this show JTS when Roseanne got plastic surgery and actually thought she looked good. you could tell that she had a lot more confidence and she became totally unrelatable. Darlene became depressed and could barely open her mouth when she talked and Jackie went from being real to cartoonish which was extremely unfunny.
    It irrevocably jumped in the final season, which was nothing more than Roseanne's self-indulgence of her obsession with the Brit show Absolutely Fabulous. So we find out at the end that it was all a fantasy and they didn't really win- as if that makes it all okay, like, see it still is a show about a working class family. Well, then, what the heck was the point of the entire last season beyond Roseanne's vanity? And revealing that Dan had died was a lousy thing to do to the loyal viewers who had managed to stick around through all that dreck.
    The show was at its peak in Season 4. Season 5 was still good but that is when Roseanne's appearance starts to change and includes more of her serious personal issues. Still, it had the two sisters moving in next door and Darlene trying to get out of Lanford to go to art school. Season 6 returned with an even angrier Roseanne with black hair and heavy tan makeup and a goodbye to Darlene as she goes to college. It definitely had a cartoonish element at this point. Oh, and for those of you saying Jackie turned into a female Don Knotts, Roseanne actually says in the Season 4 DVD that it was a deliberate thing they did that season to make Jackie funnier- they wanted Jackie to be a female Barney Fife. Laurie Metcalfe even met Don Knotts to try and capture his character. Season 4 is actually Jackie hitting her stride- she sleeps with Arnie and becomes a trucker. Also, it is in this season that Darlene becomes depressed and Becky and Mark get serious.
    the show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. Roseanne was all about the middle class, dysfunctional family, a family every family could relate to. if the show had never changed beckys and if they never won the lottery, the show would be the best show that ever air'd on television, giving any show to ever appear after it a run for their $$. And by the way...to the person who commented on becky's prom dress and dan's shoes, it was 80 dollars not 60.
    The most realistic portrayal of a working lower middle class American family and at its peak one of the best family sitcoms of all time. The characters were easily relatable- Roseanne and Dan worked long hours at odd jobs, had trouble paying the bills, and struggled to lose weight. They fought a lot, usually out of frustration and the show even alluded to Roseanne feeling regret over choosing a life with Dan over her dreams of being a writer- stuff not usually touched upon in a sitcom. But through it all, Roseanne loved and had a deep sense of pride in her family. The kids were the most realistic kids on tv. Darlene was the epitome of a typical gen-x 90s teenager. Thats why this show jumped the shark when they won the lottery. Its audience could not relate to it anymore and the characters became unrecognizable.
    The general feeling is that Roseanne jumped the shark when they won the lottery. But I think it jumped a little earlier than that. The struggling middle class family worked good for a while, but I think the writers were struggling for new story ideas to keep it's base audience. So they started turning to "shock value." For me, the one episode that absolutely killed my interest in that show forever was when DJ's school called Roseanne and Dan and said they caught him masturbating. That was just a horrible idea for a show. Whoever came up with that idea should have been fired. The entire episode was about DJ getting caught and then Dan giving his "birds and the bees" talk to DJ. I guess they were trying to show DJ's introduction to puberty, but there has to be better a way to do it than that.
    Show started going downhill when Jackie got pregnant and when Roseanne got pregnant the next year. That's when the show officially jumped the shark. However, I guess it didn't take because it BIG TIME JUMPED THE SHARK when Dan had his heart attack and they won the lottery. The show was SUPPOSED to be about middle-class white-trash folks. What happened?
    Roseanne was originally an entertaining sitcom about blue collar folks trying to eke out a living in fictional Lanford, Illinois. For me, the arrival of Sarah Chalke as the second Becky was when the show jumped the shark. Here in Canada, the news media made a big deal of how a homegrown actress was joining the hit TV show Roseanne, but I wasn't impressed. Sarah Chalke could not hold a candle to Lecy Goransen when it came to playing Becky. And why was it that when Sarah started playing Becky, the character of Becky suddenly turned from a bright overachiever into a ditsy dimwitted broad, who was now dumber than D-student Darlene? Didn't make any sense. However, let's not assign all the shark-jumping blame to Sarah Chalke. Yeah, she sucked, but she was merely the beginning in a long line of pitfalls that this show fell into. Roseanne became a pure and totally malevolent BITCH(!), likeable and insecure Crystal and don't-step-on-me Bonnie were shunted aside in favour of that annoying Sandra Bernhard, seemingly everybody took after the gay lifestyle (yeah, right, among blue collar folks - furtive humps in the sack, maybe, but out of the closet **** and dykes - NOT!), the plotline sucked, and there were too many famous guest star appearances (from soap actors to the remaining Gilligan's Island cast). I even heard that Jackie came out as a lesbian! Jackie declaring she's a dyke is like k.d. lang announcing that she's heterosexual - there's no way it's possible. Apparently Dan had an affair towards the end of the show. I wondered what the hell took him so long to chase after some decent broad. True, the lottery idea was crap, but the show was in the toilet long before Roseanne picked the winning numbers.
    I thought Roseanne was excellent the first few years. A very funny show. then it just got bombarded with all these social issues (domestic abuse, homosexuality, teenage sexuality, and teenage pregnancy to name a few) ..Jackie (who was quite normal the first few seasons) became a neurotic mess. The last season was completely laughable (and not in a positive way). Them winning the lottery was just so... far fetched. And Dan's affair was completely out of his character. And then the final episode tried to explain the last season as something Roseanne conjured up in her mind? It only left me bitterly disappointed and wishing they would have ended the series gracefully a couple years back instead of dragging things out. It's a shame that an enjoyable and funny show morphed into a social commentary
    Roseanne Jumped The Shark in the last season, the ridiculous lottery season and even the series finale was stupid, what the hell was that? But even before the infamous lottery season, the show had it's JTS moments. I agree that all the supporting characters (David the wuss, Mark the dumbass, Nancy the lesbian,Leon the gay guy, his lover scott the gay guy...you get the idea)were terrible. I couldn't stand David, even though he was the only likeable and normal person out of a bunch of lunatics, I have no idea what Darlene saw in that wuss let alone why she married him. (I heard Sara Gilbert who played Darlene wanted her character to come out of the closet since she was gay in real life, but the producers said no...WTF??? everyone else was gay on that show, I think if the show had been on any longer DJ would have come out) And I agree that Tom Arnold made the show better *gasp* who knew? I love the Halloween,Thanksgiving and Christmas eps except for the stupid and pointless Halloween episode where Roseanne gives birth to Jerry Garcia(WTF was that about????) and the Thanksgiving ep where the family invites some Native Americans over for dinner. I thought the message was good, but it just seemed that Roseanne was trying too hard to make a statement. I also agree that it was stupid to make Darlene pregnant. Other than the obvious that these are the last people who should be breeding, why is it that they are trying to make her like her mother??? okay, so in closing I agree with everyone that the last season was the JTS moment, it's a shame because it was such a good show. Thanks.
    I really think it didn't, but if i had to pick anything, i will say that when they had the final episode reveal that Dan was dead and Darlene and Becky were actually married to each others husbands. While i will say that if Dan had died, this was a brilliant way to explain it, i just selfishly wanted Dan to live (just like i didnt like when LHOTP had Albert die,i dont like it!) But i liked the original way of Becky being married to Mark, and Darlene with David. I felt sorry for David, Darlene was WAY too mean to him, but lets remember, Becky started out being straight A student, but then became annoying! Yelled too much, etc. I loved Darlene's way of acting to Roseanne the same way Roseanne acted. It wasn't until Sarah Chalke came to be Becky that she got sweet. SO, in that realm, yeah, her and David, but they say opposites attract, so the should have left that alone. No it is in NO WAY the same as DALLAS. It WAS a dream on Dallas, it was a FANTASY on Roseanne, BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. (however, we the viewers werent STUPID enough to buy the dream of Pam's...we were desperate enough, we were like, "wait, we got Bobby back, yeah, okay, i'll go along with the silly dream reason, as long as Bobby's back!). Now, for those who think the lottery plot would be stupid if it REALLY had happened to Dan and Roseanne because they were typical ave. family...well yeah, BUT i looked at it at the time as a fantasy. I am an average family person, but i fantasize about winning the lottery. Early on in the Roseanne show, there was an article in TV Guide that said Roseanne et al had thought of doing an episode in which they won the lottery and had to endure people treating them differently while they wanted to remain average, or eating in snooty restaurants with the same table manners as always and having people look down their noses but not say anything becuase they had money. It didn't happen that season (it was maybe season 2 or 3 they said that) so when they showed the episode in which Roseanne and Jackie were discussing how they picked those numbers...i went "OMG they are going to use that theme now" and they pretty much did. I totally didn't mind it because i thought it was great that an ave family might win and lived vicariously through the connors. Sure it was silly that they'd keep that house, my youngest daughter said she'd want to live in our house even if we won the lottery, of course she can if she wants to when she grows up, i'll keep it for her but I am gonna build my fantasy home, and give to charity, tithe etc. So, watching that let us sort of really feel that we won, and see what life would do. So that was fine. Having the 2 Becky's...Hilarious! "I like the second Darren better" said the second Becky on her first episode, while Roseanne was claiming how laim it was when they switched Darren's. Or the "where the hell have u been" to the original Becky upon her first episode return. Then when the second becky took her kids trick or treating to Roseanne's house and commented on what a nice family they seemed to be and she wished she lived there. So funny! Going to disney land.... "yes becky, you and mark can come, you better be glad your here THIS week" Genius! I love a show that will make fun of things like that. (they're Beckies...identical beckies and youll find....when beccccckkkkies, are two of a kind. with the take off on the patty duke show!)all shows have errors or silly moments. None are exempt, i guess i just have a different outlook. TV shows should be as much like life that it captures us and we can identify on some level, but...then they should take that and entertain us with it. I was entertained by Roseanne because she was rich, but still kinda tacky and didn't want to change that much, she made snobby friends, and still managed to make fun of them. Many shows do this, we know things like that don't happen, and i'll say it again, would we really watch absolute reality...i mean, even the reality shows arent reality really. because if Joe Millionaire had ended up with a slutty girl instead of poor zora (which sadly we know was only a cinderella story and they werent in love) then, would we have watched, or enjoyed that ending? If Roseanne ended when dan died and we watched her go thru depression, would we have watched? If Claire Huxtable died or divorced Ciff (COS) Huxtable, would we have said "oh good, many doctor/lawyer couples divorce and fight over the house, kudos that they are keeping it just like real life???no, we'd have stopped watching. If Kramer had been a racist in the middle of Seinfeld like he did in real life, would we have watched? no. So the point is, no sitcom is that serious, enjoy a fantasy once in a while on a show. Don't intend that sitcoms are supposed to be real life. just enjoy them for the entertainment they are. and note to producers/writers...it gets worse when u stick too close to real life in a comedy, becomes to serious.
    I would say the moment Roseanne really started going downhill was the episode where she kisses Mariel Hemingway. That is a desperate cry for ratings and everything the show did after that show seemed to get stupider and stupider, capped by the Conners winning the lottery, which seemed to be an admission that they had nothing new to say!
    When Becky eloped it jumped the shark in the sense that it was the best thing to ever happen on the show, and it was never the same afterward. You gotta hand it to Roseanne to do something with the plot like that. Out of nowhere the daughter that's going to "make up" goes crazy over a guy and elopes. Watching it really felt like a real life event - hitting you out of nowhere and not being able to do anything about it. And then they stayed married. After that, the show had its great moments, but that could never be topped. Bringing in the new actress to play Becky just didn't work because you didn't feel the same "weirdness" there would have been seeing the brain we'd known for several seasons returning home as a teen bride. It blunted it too much and it all coincided with Roseanne getting more and more outer limits in her personal life and bringing weird off-topic things into the show with characters like all the Martin Mull/Sandra Bernhard/Morgan Fairchild/Arnie stuff.
    Roseanne was great until Lecy Goranson went off to college. On the show, she eloped with Mark. She was replaced by Sarah Chalke of all people. Bad idea. I won't be too crude since she left the show to pursue an education. However, they could have gotten some other blonde to play Becky's part without bringing the show down 100 notches. To make matters worse, they brought back the first Beck for like three episodes in one of the later episodes. That was worse because when Sarah Chalke came back, it dropped another 100 notches again. Plus, Lecy Goranson's teen Becky outbursts were the best part of the show. Also, I think they should have kept the Ziggy character going after the third season. That may have helped them have at least 6 more good episodes.
    The final season of this show was the most tragic demise of a once terrific show in the history of television. still get angry just thinking about it. What a let-down!
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There's nothing funny about quoting posts that take 5 minutes to scroll through.

I'd say after David moved in with the Conners it started going downhill. Season 6 had some good episodes but it was such a notable drop from before. The two Tim Curry episodes near the end of season 5 were just bad, up until that point it was a nearly flawless show.
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