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Old 12-01-2014, 05:53 PM   #106
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>>>If you start at Travis AFB, the location he would have likely been stationed permanently or temporarily, it would explain the proximity to the Northern California cities where the EAR were committed. <<<

The earliest crimes were committed right outside the gate of Mather AFB in Rancho Cordova. If the rapist were an airman, much more likely he was stationed there. Could also have been a dependent of some sort.
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I posted this in another thread before seeing this one, but perhaps this is a more appropriate location:

So I was watching Dateline last Friday on the case of Gary Hilton. I noticed his piercing blue eyes at one point, and one of his older pictures showed pretty beefy thighs/legs for a shorter man like him. Any idea where Gary Hilton was in the 1970s and 1980s? Because he seems like a potential fit for the Original Night Stalker. The Dateline segment said he was 61, but spoke almost nothing of what Hilton was up to prior to working on a film circa 1995. The only reference they made was that Hilton was a conman who posed as raising funds for charities from 1973-1993 when he actually just pocketed any contributions he received.

Funny the connections people make on this case...One person thought Steve Sax, the 1980s baseball player, was the killer. He was from Sacramento and played for the Dodgers for a few years. And the person knew his ex who talked bad about him (as most exes do). However, all other considerations aside, he was playing in the minor leagues in South Carolina during at least some of the crimes.

As for Hilton, they must have his DNA, which, in this case, is the great equalizer as to a match. A guy who killed three women in Tampa Bay in 1989 and was executed by FL a few years ago was just matched by DNA with a 1990 murder so as DNA techniques improve, even dead guys can be discovered guilty of additional crimes.
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>>Yes, there is a good chance that the EAR, well, suffered from a size complex. If my memory is correct, some investigators suggested that he was possibly mocked by girls in his youth for his small genitals.<<<

there is no evidence of this one way or another. I think one of the Sac cops did try to bait the rapist by saying such a comment in an interview. It did not work, obviously.
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Huh? Why?! As the case is still open and the investigation is still ongoing they would be exempt from scheduled destruction, but be preserved in police archives! There is no justification for destroying evidence and notes taken by previous investigators.
Statute of Limitations on the rapes is why they probably destroyed the evidence. No statute on murder. If they ever caught him the DNA match would be enough alone to get a conviction.
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I read this book several years ago. A few aspects stand out. One, the author was heavily connected to the early years in Sacramento so there are tons of details regarding those rapes.

In one case, a lady waited seated in the dark in her kitchen, worried she would be targeted. Indeed, she saw someone entering through a small sliding window. She hesitated, afraid that she might be charged with a crime if she killed the intruder. So she intentionally altered her aim, narrowly missing him. It startled the guy but did not injure him, at least not seriously. He fled and escaped. The author either quoted someone, or said himself, that far from being charged the lady would have been honored with a parade if she'd killed EAR-ONS.

The murders are treated in significantly less detail.

IMO, by far the most valuable and astute segment of the book was somewhere in midstream, a psychological profile. The conclusion was that the highlight for EAR by far was the preparation, not the acts themselves. That's why he sometimes almost seemed to get bored during the crimes, not always taking it as far as the victims expected. It varied quite a bit. Then he would wander around and stay on the premises because he had planned and anticipated that aspect also, while scoping the house and often breaking in beforehand. He looked forward to the escape because that route had already been scoped.

I stopped and read those pages far more than any others. It rang true to me because I have experienced the same dynamic among gamblers in Las Vegas. The conventional wisdom is that gamblers can't stop. Baloney. I've seen countless ones stop, guys whose entire lives revolved around it. But the common denominator is they wanted to remain involved in the preparation, even if they no longer were actually trading money over the counter.

About 10 years ago I had one older lifelong gambler ask if he could make the daily rounds with me, the same type of thing he did in his heyday when he relentlessly walked the Strip, looking for the best numbers. I agreed, since I knew him a little bit and my friend really admired him, gaining some knowledge that he had passed on to me. Anyway, this old guy carried every type of sheet and related paperwork, writing down all the numbers and telling me what he prioritized as a bettor. He no longer could move around very fast so I had to make concessions. Slowed down my routine. Still, it wasn't much of a bother until the guy started asking me to change my preferred route and switch to the one he had used. No thank you. I initially altered it a bit, but once he demanded a complete change I had to put my foot down and part ways. This lasted maybe 3 weeks.

At the end of the afternoon that guy would plop in a sportsbook chair at the Hilton and root in his "mind" bets, never actually investing his monthly stipends that he now depended on exclusively. But he knew what all the best numbers were on his games, and when they came through he still exulted. I still see that guy from time to time when I'm in town. We have patched our friendship after the awkward departure of a decade ago.

When I read Sudden Terror and the psychological profile I immediately thought of that old gambler, and how he still loved the preparation but didn't really care that he wasn't experiencing the full exhausting and risky aspects. That could easily be the case with EAR and other infamous criminals. I'm convinced that much of the conventional wisdom ("can't stop") is in its infancy and largely garbage.

BTW, jjmcgr is easily recognizable as a long time researcher on this case. I remember him from the related A&E forum and his own site. Tons of time invested, with materials discovered and provided. Much appreciated. I didn't always agree with everything, like the EAR A and EAR B theory, but that's par for the course regarding true crime. Everybody has their own angles.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:34 PM   #111
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yes I recognize you Awsi. Thanks for the comments. I got too busy to spend a lot of time on this case and a lot of the stuff on boards was either repetitious (which is why I made a website with all the info on it) or had become cliquey or otherwise wheel spinning. there is a new board I noticed that has a lot of posts to it because some woman has written articles about the case under the new name Golden State Killer (she must hate the confusing "Original" Night Stalker name as much as I do).

I still think that if the police were connecting the EAR crimes only by MO then there were probably two main offenders, one real sloppy, the other much more efficient (and a later murderer).
The context of crimes is often ignored when we look at them later on. In the mid 70s Sac had the highest rape rate in its history.

The reason I think there were two is that you would expect the rapist to improve his performance of his crimes as he gained more experience but a review of the crimes in the official canon shows they often alternated between competence (ie complete control of the situation) and borderline incompetence (such as attacks in driveways, a lack of awareness of who was in the home ahead of time). In fact the last attack in Sacramento was perhaps the worst performance by the rapist. He attacked a babysitter whose parents were rushing to her and even dragged her outside.

You and apparently Crompton view preparation as a quality of the EAR. But in about half the attacks, there seems to have been little or no preparation
marked by attacks on people who were not normally home at the time or even lived there, or the attacker did not bring a weapon (in one case used an ax from the garage), didn't know a man didn't live at the home (initiated attack when he tried to leave as he really wanted to attack a couple because the cops said he couldn't)
(the sloppy and neat crimes are outlined here: https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/WildEARAttacks.doc)

Supporting this theory is the fact that the Irvine killer seems to have attacked single women instead of couples to get his crimes blamed on the Bedroom Basher, a previous series of unsolveds in the same area which have since been solved. So if he would copycat then, maybe he did before in Sacramento-- copying the sloppy rapist. Only the two of them would know what was happening (recently that was the plot of a cop show) with efficient waiting for sloppy to do something before he would. When sloppy stopped, efficient went to Modesto...

Anyway without all that the police know we can only have guessy theories at best. But I think such things are worthy of discussion for insight reasons alone. Maybe the offender was on drugs every other attack (but I'd have expected if so he'd have been caught for something and his DNA tagged). And then he got off the drugs in Orange County.

I also think all the EAR sightings and claims of extensive casing of future crime scenes simply cannot be true because with the community and cops alerted if it were true the offender would have been caught. He was not supernatural like Big Foot.

I didn't read Sudden Terror because I had a low opinion of Crompton from comments he had made in newspaper stories years ago. To me the Contra Costa crimes seem a lot different than most of the EAR attacks and the later murders, so I would like to see what crimes were linked by DNA to the murders. I do have a copy of the book and will read it someday.

Shelby had always been vocal about the case and even predicted where the next rape would take place and it took place only a few blocks away. I hope he tells how they linked the crimes. They had another rapist called the Early Morning Rapist who had a spree right before the EAR and I've always wondered how they differentiated between the two as their MOs were similar. I noticed Shelby has a chapter on that specific point. So I will read him and the other new book, Hot Prowl. Hope to get more info on the "town hall meeting" as the legend of that really did not fit the chronology of the case (particularly the part about the next attack).

random thoughts:
Janelle Cruz the last victim was featured in a newspaper article a month or two before she was murdered (copy online at Bedroom Killer website)... did this cause the killer, then on a five year sabbatical, to target her? The story was an upbeat one about how Cruz turned her life around by joining the Job Corps.

also in the Cruz case some guy who beat up his girlfriend confessed to the crime and was only eventually ruled out (like 6 months later) when his DNA didn't match.

Finally a guy posts a story about the "kitten man" on a message board and I still see it mentioned even on this board when the person who told the story seems to have no credibility as he lied about being interviewed by the police (somewhere along the line he gave his real name so I was able to check with Pool-- he claimed he was Cruz's pal but was never interviewed by the cops but he was interviewed two days after the crime and never mentioned a kitten man) and later on accused his father of being an uncaught murderer. But once something gets on the true crime board, especially if it is alluring (like a clue in the Cruz case), it is forever!

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Old 12-06-2014, 01:24 AM   #112
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some woman has written articles about the case under the new name Golden State Killer (she must hate the confusing "Original" Night Stalker name as much as I do).
I apologize as this is probably a stupid thing to debate on, but he will always be the Original Night Stalker to me. I refuse to call him by that other name.

That lady has no right to come up with a new nickname decades after his last crime was committed. All she is doing is confusing people who have long known him by the Original Night Stalker moniker.

There is nothing confusing about the Original Night Stalker name. They gave Richard Ramirez the Night Stalker nickname, then learned ONS had committed somewhat similar attacks earlier, hence the name Original Night Stalker.

"Golden State Killer" is completely bland. It's as if she's implying there's only been one serial killer in all of vast California in its history, and we know that is not true.

I can go halfway and tolerate the "East Area Rapist" nickname, but I refuse to take part in any attempt to rename him Golden State Killer after all these years.
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Agreed, wiseguy! I will always think of him as EAR/ONS (both together-the ONS part being most vital). Golden State Killer is just ridiculous. If she wants to make up a nickname for a killer, she can go write fiction.

But jjmcgr, thanks for all this information! I had no idea the kitten man story was likely fabricated by an "eyewitness." I've seen it preached on other forums as though it's the facts. Like you said, once on a board, it just lasts!
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I apologize as this is probably a stupid thing to debate on, but he will always be the Original Night Stalker to me. I refuse to call him by that other name.

That lady has no right to come up with a new nickname decades after his last crime was committed.

I undertand where you are coming from 100% - it is extremely arrogant and presumptuous of this lady to start re-naming notorious criminals, particularly given that she has no claim to fame other than a curiousity about his crimes ... Though, if she'd managed to solve the case I'd forgive her!
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several new books on this case have recently been released:

Hunting a Psycopath by Richard Shelby, one of the EAr investigators,
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Hot Prowl by Jack Gray

both have e-books
I know you like to stick to the facts, and facts only on this case, which Sudden Terror did not completely do, which is why I must ask have you read these yet? Which one is a better read? Also isn't their another book out written by a victim?
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That is very interesting. In fact, I read in the book that he called one of the rape victims sometime in the 80s or 90s - almost twenty years later - to terrorize one of the victims, and the sounds of children were heard in the background as well as a woman's voice. He is probably married with children! I think this is the most fascinating serial killer case that goes largely unmentioned. I recommend the book highly!
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That is very interesting. In fact, I read in the book that he called one of the rape victims sometime in the 80s or 90s - almost twenty years later - to terrorize one of the victims, and the sounds of children were heard in the background as well as a woman's voice. He is probably married with children! I think this is the most fascinating serial killer case that goes largely unmentioned. I recommend the book highly!
I find the phone calls to be one of the most fascinating aspects of this case. The one I'm greatly familiar with was the one that aired on Cold Case Files. He breathes heavily into the phone, then starts chanting to the victim: "Gonna kill you." 3 or 4 times, followed by an equal number of expletives. He does it in a whispery voice. You can faintly here other people talking in the background. Some theorized that, because of those things, there were other people around him at the time, but I think it's probably just a movie or something. There's been a lot of attempts to identify the movie or t.v. show or whatever, but nothing's ever come of that and I doubt it ever will.

I do vaguely recall the "Is Ray there?" call and listened to it (must have been on one of the ONS/EAR message boards), but don't remember much else about it. You have to wonder if he knew he was being recorded. I'd be interested in finding out about and listening to the other calls.

There have also been reports of him calling the victim's neighbors, and I wonder what the heck that's about.
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Finally bought the book. I'm only about 20 pages in and already find it pretty terrifying. flytrapp, I blame you. :P But seriously, I'm glad I finally got the book. I can tell it's going to be a very good, detailed read.
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What's mind-boggling about this case is that there are no apparent suspects, especially shocking considering the number of crimes he committed were well into the dozens. At least 5 dozen victims, as a matter of fact.

One thing I've always thought was weird is that, based on the composites anyways, ONS/EAR seemed to be a reasonably young, fairly handsome guy and I just have to wonder why he would resort to this level.

I know there's been a little discussion about the other message board(s) on ONS/EAR and let me say, they are a tremendous resource. I briefly check them out from time to time, and the posters there have covered every aspect of this case in painstaking detail. You could learn all you wanted to about this case and then some from reading those boards. One of the more fascinating nuggets I learned was that some suspected he is/might have been British due to his use of the word "twinge". His other vocabulary includes "Lookie, lookie, looking for money."
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One thing I've always thought was weird is that, based on the composites anyways, ONS/EAR seemed to be a reasonably young, fairly handsome guy and I just have to wonder why he would resort to this level.
Ted Bundy was like that too.
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