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Old 06-23-2009, 11:19 AM   #121
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I just thought of one watching the Joffree Ramos segment - the marine who was senselessly beaten by some gang members at a party.

Don't get me wrong, it's horrible what happened to the guy (especially when they interviewed him on camera and you could tell how hurt and confused he was and still suffering), and I'm not downplaying that at all. But did anyone think it was a little weird how he left his wallet in the backyard? He and his friends started to leave when he went back to get it, which is when he was attacked.

Why did he leave it there in the first place? Personally I'd never take it out of my pocket especially if I'm in a place where I don't know some people (or in "public" at all), and even if he did realize that, I'd rather get out with my safety than go back for it.

It's even sadder to think he WOULD have gotten away without any harm if he'd had it on him.
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Old 06-25-2009, 10:07 AM   #123
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I just thought of one watching the Joffree Ramos segment - the marine who was senselessly beaten by some gang members at a party. But did anyone think it was a little weird how he left his wallet in the backyard? He and his friends started to leave when he went back to get it, which is when he was attacked. Why did he leave it there in the first place?
Good question. Were they playing poker at this party and he set his wallet out for easy access to his money? Did he spend time with a girl at the party and he had taken a condom from his wallet but forgot to put it back in his pocket when he got dressed? Was he pick-pocketed and realized it as they left, then went back to confront the guys and get his wallet back?
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^ Yeah Tracy, I'm sure there's something they left out, probably because it wasn't important to the story (only a handful of geeks like me will actually care about that stuff, lol). I'd say all those are possibilities, or maybe it was just for comfort.. like if he was doing something in the backyard and forgot about it until he was leaving the first time.
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The segment about the interacial couple where the family of the girl has her placed in a juvenile institution for "not obeying their rules" even thought she was OVER 18! And she got sentenced to three YEARS and was forced to give her baby up to reduce time! What kind of bull is that?!

The Massage Parlor case when random people were inside and running around the crime scene- older people, too. I mean, come on, you may be curious but I wouldn't walk onto the scene where evidence can be compromised.

The obese kidnapper who had to have a note- what's classic is that they called it a "cheatsheet".
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The Utterback case, where a man stalked his young ex-girlfriend. When he pulled up alongside her, I wasn't surprised but then he just randomly pulled out a gun and started shooting! And this all the while proclaiming that he loved her and just wanted to get back together. Apparently he was just doing it to scare her into pulling over, but jeez! What if he had hit her? Very disturbing.
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The Utterback case, where a man stalked his young ex-girlfriend. When he pulled up alongside her, I wasn't surprised but then he just randomly pulled out a gun and started shooting! And this all the while proclaiming that he loved her and just wanted to get back together. Apparently he was just doing it to scare her into pulling over, but jeez! What if he had hit her? Very disturbing.
Even more bizarre are the posts here by people who knew Utterback defending this exact type of behavior. Do a search on his name and you'll see what I mean.
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The segment about the interacial couple where the family of the girl has her placed in a juvenile institution for "not obeying their rules" even thought she was OVER 18! And she got sentenced to three YEARS and was forced to give her baby up to reduce time! What kind of bull is that?!

The Massage Parlor case when random people were inside and running around the crime scene- older people, too. I mean, come on, you may be curious but I wouldn't walk onto the scene where evidence can be compromised.

The obese kidnapper who had to have a note- what's classic is that they called it a "cheatsheet".
Oh yeah, I have that one taped (I haven't seen it discussed on here much, probably because it was solved) and always thought the same thing! Eleanor Platt - I get the feeling she just had rigid, old fashioned parents, even for 50s standards... but you're right, that makes no sense.

Once she was 18, even if she was young, she was legally an adult so they didn't have any grounds to say she couldn't be with John or had to "follow their rules". I'm surprised the courts went along with it, but it was probably a combination of the horribly racist and sexist attitudes of the time, not to mention he was 10 or 11 years older than her. Her dad seemed like the kind of guy you wouldn't wanna cross either!

It's horrible what happened to her being forced to give the baby up too, I'm guessing the system just took advantage of the fact that she was a young woman (and probably disapproved of the relationship with a black guy), people didn't seem to question it as much in those days either.
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I always thought the case about the guy (Hotard was his last name I think) and the woman who were in a car making love when they were both shot to death by some evil bumpkin with a shotgun always confused me when they interviewed the bumpkin's daughter. She was basically like, "Yeah my parents were evil...and my dad killed them." She wasn't really non-chalant about it or anything, just kind of weird to hear someone say that about their parents.
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Even more bizarre are the posts here by people who knew Utterback defending this exact type of behavior. Do a search on his name and you'll see what I mean.
I did see that and was pretty disturbed. They tried to say that UM exaggerated things, but I highly doubt they just added in the gun for dramatics I was also freaked out when he started driving away with the door open and making her hang out of the car (and he was going pretty fast!) That would be a terrifying experience. People are inclined to defend their friends, but if one of my friends stalked someone aggressively, knocked them off the road, shot at them, and basically kidnapped them- there would be no way to defend it. They're probably in shock/denial, not wanting to believe it of someone they cared about.
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Oh yeah, I have that one taped (I haven't seen it discussed on here much, probably because it was solved) and always thought the same thing! Eleanor Platt - I get the feeling she just had rigid, old fashioned parents, even for 50s standards... but you're right, that makes no sense.

Once she was 18, even if she was young, she was legally an adult so they didn't have any grounds to say she couldn't be with John or had to "follow their rules". I'm surprised the courts went along with it, but it was probably a combination of the horribly racist and sexist attitudes of the time, not to mention he was 10 or 11 years older than her. Her dad seemed like the kind of guy you wouldn't wanna cross either!

It's horrible what happened to her being forced to give the baby up too, I'm guessing the system just took advantage of the fact that she was a young woman (and probably disapproved of the relationship with a black guy), people didn't seem to question it as much in those days either.
Oh, that father was definitely scary! You can't really argue with someone who has a shotgun in hand! I agree that the system definitely took advantage, perpetuating the general discrimination at the time. It's scary to think of just how violent some people were (and probably still are) against interracial relationships.
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For me a WTH?? moment is any dangerous convicted criminal being released early from Jail or put into a Low security Prison only to escape and re-offend.

2 Cases come to mind:

Ricardo Caputo - This monster brutually murders his Girlfriend in 1970. Three years later he's released with the help of his Female Prison Social Worker named Judy who just happens to become Victim #2. He then goes on to kill 2 more Women in San Francisco & Mexico before eventually turning himself in years later.

Laura Burbank's Killer - Yet another dangerous monster, gets placed in a low security prison and makes a run for it. While on the run several young girls have been kidnapped presumed killed. He's back behind bars now but it's a little too late for the families of these victims.
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Not sure if it is mentioned but Greg Webb getting released.

The re-enactment of the Brad Bishop case saying he killed his family at 7PM? He had a 14 year old, 10 and 5 year old son. My 4 year old nephew stays up later than they did.

Joe Maloney escaping from a mental institution after he killed his wife then being released from an Ireland jail because of an extradition treaty between Ireland and USA being void then probably disappearing forever

The Larry George segment(the detective even said "this murder was stupid").
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Not sure if it is mentioned but Greg Webb getting released.

The re-enactment of the Brad Bishop case saying he killed his family at 7PM? He had a 14 year old, 10 and 5 year old son. My 4 year old nephew stays up later than they did.

Joe Maloney escaping from a mental institution after he killed his wife then being released from an Ireland jail because of an extradition treaty between Ireland and USA being void then probably disappearing forever

The Larry George segment(the detective even said "this murder was stupid").
I don't remember Joe Maloney, please refresh my memory.
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I don't remember Joe Maloney, please refresh my memory.

Joe Maloney poisoned and killed his wife in 1967 but when taken to court he said he was insane so they kept him at a mental institution but he escaped and then 10 years later(give or take) he was living in Ireland and reported a burglary at his house and the cops wanted to check his finger prints and they discovered he was wanted in the USA but they never had an extradition treaty but he was being held in an Irish jail but then something was void between the Ireland and USA agreement so he walked out of an Irish jail because they couldn't hold him and he hasn't been seen since. This was 1986 I believe
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