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Old 06-21-2020, 08:24 AM   #1426
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Maybe the guy who did it is just crazy?? To me Bill makes no sense because if he did it, then why didnít his wife finger him for attacking her? Why have a composite of a man?? We donít know what the guys motive was, but Bill to me has no motive.
Like I said in my previous post, if Bill was having some kind of blacked out PTSD attacks that he didn't remember, then it's possible that Dorothy didn't want him and other people knowing because it's a possibility that he'd be put into a home or hospice somewhere. So she made up a person and a "composite" to keep people from thinking it was Bill.

It sounds crazy, but even if Bill was abusing her then it's possible that she didn't want to live without him and have him locked up in a home somewhere
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Here's my question.

Did the harassment ever stop? Did The Wackers get to a point where they weren't being tormented prior to their deaths?
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Old 07-04-2020, 10:59 AM   #1428
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I think it's probable that the attacker/s was a close relative or in-law that the Wackers themselves didn't want to ID to try to 'protect' their family despite their own injuries.
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This was a strange one. I tend to believe that this was probably an inside job of some sort. By that, I don't necessarily mean that the Wackers are implicated in the instigation of any of the events that happened (although, since the case hasn't been solved, it must be included in any number of potential possibilities out there) but I think that whoever was responsible must have been closely connected with the family in some way, perhaps a family member or friend or relative.

The fact that the perpetrator was able to get away with it even in the midst of a sting operation by the family suggests that either (1) there was a blind spot where the perpetrator could commit act and not be detected or (2) that it was someone who knew the family was going to be surveilling the house that night and worked around this somehow or (3) he just got lucky. I believe the segment indicated that the family was preparing to wind down their surveillance for that night so it's possible that they may have dropped their guard after making that decision and it may have coincided with the time that offender decided to strike.

Whilst we're on the question of the surveillance operation, I do think there are some interesting points to consider. First of all, was there any way that the walkie-talkie system they were using could be listened in to by the wider public -the way, for example, members of the public can sometimes tune in to the frequency of the police radio? You'd have to know the right frequency, sure, but it could be done if this were the case. Also, I'd be interested to know which of the family surveillance team suggested winding the operation up. It's a long shot but it could be that the particular family member in question could have been the one who was behind the whole set of incidents and he or she could have briefed the perpetrator for that night beforehand that "look, this is the time I'm going to suggest we wind things up and then you can strike then". Perhaps they had some sort of undistinguishable/imperceptible signal they used to the perpetrator, who may have been lurking out of sight in the background, that now was an opportune period of time to strike.

The whole thing is very curious. I doubt we'll ever know what really happened here
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This was a strange one. I tend to believe that this was probably an inside job of some sort. By that, I don't necessarily mean that the Wackers are implicated in the instigation of any of the events that happened (although, since the case hasn't been solved, it must be included in any number of potential possibilities out there) but I think that whoever was responsible must have been closely connected with the family in some way, perhaps a family member or friend or relative.

The fact that the perpetrator was able to get away with it even in the midst of a sting operation by the family suggests that either (1) there was a blind spot where the perpetrator could commit act and not be detected or (2) that it was someone who knew the family was going to be surveilling the house that night and worked around this somehow or (3) he just got lucky. I believe the segment indicated that the family was preparing to wind down their surveillance for that night so it's possible that they may have dropped their guard after making that decision and it may have coincided with the time that offender decided to strike.

Whilst we're on the question of the surveillance operation, I do think there are some interesting points to consider. First of all, was there any way that the walkie-talkie system they were using could be listened in to by the wider public -the way, for example, members of the public can sometimes tune in to the frequency of the police radio? You'd have to know the right frequency, sure, but it could be done if this were the case. Also, I'd be interested to know which of the family surveillance team suggested winding the operation up. It's a long shot but it could be that the particular family member in question could have been the one who was behind the whole set of incidents and he or she could have briefed the perpetrator for that night beforehand that "look, this is the time I'm going to suggest we wind things up and then you can strike then". Perhaps they had some sort of undistinguishable/imperceptible signal they used to the perpetrator, who may have been lurking out of sight in the background, that now was an opportune period of time to strike.

The whole thing is very curious. I doubt we'll ever know what really happened here
I wasn't sure as a kid but watching this as I got older, I've always suspected it was an inside job. Either one of the kids themselves since they would do surveillance and know when to quit, or maybe another relative or close friend that no one would suspect. If the latter, the person would use their relationship with the family to do this and know when to strike.
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Okay, I guess I have a different theory than most. I think the wife made up the attacks and the husband was most likely aware of it.
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I don’t know what to think anymore, this case is just so puzzling lol.
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Okay, I guess I have a different theory than most. I think the wife made up the attacks and the husband was most likely aware of it.
So who do you think attacked Dorothy? She had medical documents showing that she received surgery for a lacerated skull.

I thought Bill was attacking her, and she knew but kept quiet to protect her husband
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So who do you think attacked Dorothy? She had medical documents showing that she received surgery for a lacerated skull.

I thought Bill was attacking her, and she knew but kept quiet to protect her husband

It's not possible she did it to herself? Or that it was an accident and she decided to blame it on an intruder?

I can see how some wives would stay quiet to protect their husband, but I'm wondering if she would've said anything about the harrassment at all in that case
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It's not possible she did it to herself? Or that it was an accident and she decided to blame it on an intruder?

I can see how some wives would stay quiet to protect their husband, but I'm wondering if she would've said anything about the harrassment at all in that case
Well in the first attack she was completely tied up so I doubt she could've done that herself. Another incident she was attacked from behind while she was outside.

Bill was a war veteran who served in WW II. I think it's possible that he had PTSD from the war and other possible mental disorders. I wouldn't be surprised if his PTSD triggered flashbacks and he attacked Dorothy because of it.

Read this article about military wives who suffer violence due to their husbands PTSD it's interesting

https://www.womensmediacenter.com/ne...es-of-veterans

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As crazy as it sounds, it's possible that she didn't want her husband in trouble or to be taken away (nursing home) so she made up an intruder. With the neighbors calling the police it's possible Dorothy lied about the "intruder" aspect to keep suspicion off of Bill. It's like Dorothy was trying to convince Bill and everyone else that some random intruder was attacking her, but it was actually Bill.

If you look at the segment Bill looks convinced someone else is doing this and calls them "kooks" while she's smiling and trying not to laugh. It's like she knows whats going on but he doesn't. Perhaps she knew why Bill was doing it (PTSD) but didn't want anyone else to know because she didn't want him in a nursing home
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Cindy James was able to tie up herself. I don't know the details of the attacks on Dorothy, so I don't know if she could've done it herself as well.

I get her accusing an intruder in the attacks, but if she wanted to protect her husband it would've been better not to report all those calls and notes and other harrassment.

Or maybe she's laughing because she thinks her husband has no clue she's responsible?

It's an interesting theory, though. I'm not completely sure what happened, but I'm pretty much convinced no one else was involved besides the two of them.
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Cindy James was able to tie up herself. I don't know the details of the attacks on Dorothy, so I don't know if she could've done it herself as well.

I get her accusing an intruder in the attacks, but if she wanted to protect her husband it would've been better not to report all those calls and notes and other harrassment.

Or maybe she's laughing because she thinks her husband has no clue she's responsible?

It's an interesting theory, though. I'm not completely sure what happened, but I'm pretty much convinced no one else was involved besides the two of them.
It looked like Dorothy's entire body was tied in rope, but I'm not sure, but given the severity of her other attacks, I doubt she attacked herself hard enough to give herself skull lacerations.


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That depends. Their items went missing and then magically reappeared. If Bill had some other mental issue where he was doing this, but didn't remember then it's possible that Dorothy convinced Bill that an intruder had something to do with it so no one would suspect that Bill had mental issues.

I mean who else would steal a bunch of items just to bring them back? Who else would constantly break up into an elderly couple's home just to destroy it and leave dumb messages?

I think Dorothy was manipulating Bill and everyone else that someone else was ransacking their home and attacking her, but she knew it was Bill all along.
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Well in the first attack she was completely tied up so I doubt she could've done that herself. Another incident she was attacked from behind while she was outside.

Bill was a war veteran who served in WW II. I think it's possible that he had PTSD from the war and other possible mental disorders. I wouldn't be surprised if his PTSD triggered flashbacks and he attacked Dorothy because of it.
I think it's possible that the first attack, where someone came to the door to use the phone and then attacked her, was legit. Subsequent attacks/harassment could have been Bill or Dorothy and Bill together.
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So you think Bill attacked Dorothy and she did all the other stuff like the threatening notes and moving stuff around? It's possible. Although Dorothy did more than was necessary to throw people off, as if she became addicted to the attention she got.
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I think it's possible that the first attack, where someone came to the door to use the phone and then attacked her, was legit. Subsequent attacks/harassment could have been Bill or Dorothy and Bill together.
I think Bill did the first attack. I understand she was elderly and probably trusting to a fault, but who leaves a complete stranger to use their phone while they go into a kitchen? She then said she didn't hear anything he said on the phone, but if she was a close enough distance then she should've picked up some tidbit on what he was talking about.

You also thought he left but you don't hear a door shut or don't even walk him to the front door to make sure he gets out?

I also don't understand why a complete stranger who she left to use the phone would attack her and tie her up, scribble on the wall, steal items and bring them back the next day. It seems like the stranger took alot of time to do all of this, negating the fact that someone else might come home soon

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So you think Bill attacked Dorothy and she did all the other stuff like the threatening notes and moving stuff around? It's possible. Although Dorothy did more than was necessary to throw people off, as if she became addicted to the attention she got.
I don't know if she moved the items or made the notes, but I think it's a possibility Bill did that as well. The police reported that the house was thrashed on several different occasions, so I wonder if Bill did that when he attacked Dorothy.

Bill could've had violent blacked-out PTSD attacks that made him irrational and violent, and he had no recollection of what happened when he came back to. Kind of like a bi-polar attack.

If you think about it the rock with the note on it that was on the porch during the stakeout makes sense if it came from inside the house. Multiple people were in multiple vehicles watching out, so I doubt an intruder slipped through. But what if someone from the inside came on the porch to see how everything was going and then left the rock with the note on it while they were on the porch?

That person being Dorothy
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