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Old 08-04-2010, 07:33 PM   #46
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I've never been on a cruise ship either, so I can't speak as an authority on the subject. But, if she said she wasn't feeling well, is it possible she leaned over the railing to be sick and then fell in? Again, I don't know if that is possible or even probable. Just asking.

I don't know what I think about the possibility of the slave trade thing. I know it happens, it is documented. But, I can't fully embrace the idea that it happened in this case. There are just too many variables that don't sit right with me.

Regarding the supposed sightings, as sad as it is, some people want attention badly enough to claim they have seen missing people when they haven't. It's possible to have read about a case and then claimed to have seen the person. I don't generally trust witness sightings right off the bat, I'm skeptical that way.
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I've never been on a cruise ship either, so I can't speak as an authority on the subject. But, if she said she wasn't feeling well, is it possible she leaned over the railing to be sick and then fell in? Again, I don't know if that is possible or even probable. Just asking.

I don't know what I think about the possibility of the slave trade thing. I know it happens, it is documented. But, I can't fully embrace the idea that it happened in this case. There are just too many variables that don't sit right with me.

Regarding the supposed sightings, as sad as it is, some people want attention badly enough to claim they have seen missing people when they haven't. It's possible to have read about a case and then claimed to have seen the person. I don't generally trust witness sightings right off the bat, I'm skeptical that way.

You are right to be skeptical. Most sightings turn out to be hoaxes. Look at all the Cary Lynn Nixon sightings, the Judith Hymes telephone calls, and there are several others I know of just can't think of them right off the bat.

I wish people wouldn't do that, it makes the job of law enforcement that much tougher when they have to investigate false leads, and the truth gets harder to find when you have to sort through all these dead ends people come up with.

Of course, sometimes its just honest mistakes. But more often than not its a hoax.
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At first glance, the simplest explanation is, as always, likely the correct one, namely that she fell off the boat and drowned.

This said, the suspicious crew and potential sightings of Amy (theoretically detailed enough to seem credible) raise questions. I am very skeptical of talk of massive white slavery rings in the Caribbean, smacks way too much of the whole 80s "Satanist gang" nonsense. This said, it's certainly possible Amy could now be working as an escort.

The problem is that upon discovery of the pictures, etc., LE or a PI (the family seems to have money, so I presume they have PIs working for them) should have gone down, hired the girl in question, and questioned her. Then you'd have an answer.

Instead, you get media coverage from the parasites who make their money by creating false hysteria (like "Dr" Phil and the like). If the girl in the pictures was Amy, I would suspect she was executed by her pimp to avoid any unwanted attention.
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I am in the school of thought is that Amy fell off the balcony as well. Sad, but that seems like most likely scenario.
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At first glance, the simplest explanation is, as always, likely the correct one, namely that she fell off the boat and drowned.

This said, the suspicious crew and potential sightings of Amy (theoretically detailed enough to seem credible) raise questions. I am very skeptical of talk of massive white slavery rings in the Caribbean, smacks way too much of the whole 80s "Satanist gang" nonsense. This said, it's certainly possible Amy could now be working as an escort.

The problem is that upon discovery of the pictures, etc., LE or a PI (the family seems to have money, so I presume they have PIs working for them) should have gone down, hired the girl in question, and questioned her. Then you'd have an answer.

Instead, you get media coverage from the parasites who make their money by creating false hysteria (like "Dr" Phil and the like). If the girl in the pictures was Amy, I would suspect she was executed by her pimp to avoid any unwanted attention.
I have to agree with you. The whole organized gang taking women hostage for the sex trade does sound a whole lot like the Satanic panic of the 80's. I'm sure it happens, but not on a large scale. I mean, think about it, if attractive women start disappearing from cruise ships one right after the other, people will put two and two together. I just don't see it happening with regularity.

Secondly, and I don't mean to criticize the family here, but why go to someone like Dr. Phil instead of hiring a PI to go there and "hire" the escort for the evening. By going to Dr. Phil (not even a real Dr. BTW), any chance of finding her alive assuming she is the escort would have been eliminated. No pimp will keep a girl alive if she poses a threat to his or her livelihood.
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I have been on a few cruises and most of the time people are hammered or on their way to getting hammered, especially at night. And there is of sense of time. It is food and drink all day and all night long.

I am not saying Amy was a big party hound but the possibilty that she had a few drinks, lost her balance and fell off the deck is just too strong. I am not a fan of the white slavery ring theory. Just seems too "out there" for me.
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I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen
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I have to agree with you. The whole organized gang taking women hostage for the sex trade does sound a whole lot like the Satanic panic of the 80's. I'm sure it happens, but not on a large scale. I mean, think about it, if attractive women start disappearing from cruise ships one right after the other, people will put two and two together. I just don't see it happening with regularity.

Secondly, and I don't mean to criticize the family here, but why go to someone like Dr. Phil instead of hiring a PI to go there and "hire" the escort for the evening. By going to Dr. Phil (not even a real Dr. BTW), any chance of finding her alive assuming she is the escort would have been eliminated. No pimp will keep a girl alive if she poses a threat to his or her livelihood.
I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen
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I have been on a few cruises and most of the time people are hammered or on their way to getting hammered, especially at night. And there is of sense of time. It is food and drink all day and all night long.

I am not saying Amy was a big party hound but the possibilty that she had a few drinks, lost her balance and fell off the deck is just too strong. I am not a fan of the white slavery ring theory. Just seems too "out there" for me.
Seriously, here is some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen
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I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen
I, for one, do not question at all the fact that slavery, often sex-trafficking of women and children, is a serious problem throughout the world.

Where the skepticism comes in is in the specific tale that white slavery rings exist in the Caribbean wherein evil islanders abduct innocent white american women on beach holidays or cruises and turn them into prostitutes.

Not only do such stories have a bit of racism at play (since they are usually always accompanied by the families' braying about the incompetent and/or corrupt islander police), it just doesn't seem supported by actual evidence.

This isn't to say that it couldn't happen in a specific case; statistically, Caribbean islands and cruise ships would likely have just as many abductors, rapists, and other criminals as are running around America, but it's certainly not the first thing I would think of.
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www.cruisebruise.com has articles, statistics, and other info related to mishaps and crime in the cruise ship industry.
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The amazing thing is there is no safety net or device to catch people if they do fall off cruise ship balconies so you would think AT LEAST 1 or 2 people would fall off and go in the water every year.

It would probably be pretty hard to save them especially at night. Does anyone know if there is any method currently used to prevent people from falling off cruise ship decks and balconies?

I agree the white slavery theory is pretty far fetched but not impossible. I just think someone would've seen her by now.
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I agree that human trafficking exists, especially with women and children into sex trades. I just don't think that happened to Amy Bradley.
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I read that site a few years back; it's disturbing how often the cruise line companies refuse to report crimes (including rape and possible homicide) that occur on their ships to the nearest port and allow these employees to continue to work for them. Not that it's anything new -- there was a famous case from the 1940's where an actress, Gay Gibson, was raped, murdered, then pushed out a porthole by the ship's steward James Camb. He had a history of using his pass key to enter women's rooms while they slept.

I agree that trafficking is very much in existence (and occurs in the U.S as well) but I don't buy into the 'white slavery' scenario that gets bandied about whenever a white woman vanishes while abroad. The simplest explanation is that Bradley either accidentally fell or was thrown overboard during the course of an assault. What's interesting is the ship employee who knew about Amy's disappearance before it was generally known and had been bothering her prior to her vanishing.
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Another idea that just came to mind regarding the brothel connection. (But I have to say, I think she was murdered and taken or thrown off the ship by someone.)

Anyway, isn't it common on sites or print ads for brothels to just use any old picture to advertise. I mean, a person may see a lady that captures their attention, but she may no longer work there and the customer would have to arrange a date with a different lady.

IMO, if those brothel images are of Amy, the clothes, hair, makeup (and IIRC) decor in the room looked very much like the 1980s style. It's possible that the look was still around in 98, when Amy went missing. She could have been used for photos and to service the clients, and then she was killed or died (or committed suicide) not long after the photos were taken, yet the pics were still used for advertising purposes.

Of course it's possible that the images are of a lady who looks quite a bit like Amy and the brothel site is not involved in Amy's case at all.

In all my years of reading about true crime, I've noticed that I look a lot like some of the doenetwork unidentified victims and even like some of the perps in photos and composite sketches I've seen. I'm sure this odd phenomenon applies to lots of folks, and not just me. In Amy's case, it just could simply be that the two ladies have very similar features and the photos are a false lead.
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