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Old 05-16-2016, 01:21 PM   #91
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You can both purchase and own 'long guns' such as rifles and shotguns in most states at 16. Handguns (pistols and revolvers) can only be purchased and owned by citizens aged 18 years and older.

Although there is a definite problem with gun violence here in the U.S., when a firearm is handled by a person who receives and practices proper safety training (including responsible storage and security of the weapon when not in use) and follows federal and state firearm laws and regulations, the risk of an accident is actually rather low. However, you're right--people aren't perfect, and accidents do happen that can result in injury or death.

It's a pretty hotly debated topic here, as I'm sure you probably know, and there are a lot of strong feelings on it. It seems like we talk about it at least once every election year.
Well that's the thing i dont actually live in USA, I'm Australian but i live in Germany. Both countries guns are illegal except for sport or occupation and even then its a VERY strict process. I do know that in USA there have been so many shootings like Sandy Hook and Columbine. Do these happen because kids get hold of guns and they don't know what they are doing? Well i'm sorry to go off topic but if parents did what Don's dad did and let him take it out without a second thought then that too me is reckless behavior, just my opinion
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I'm embarrassed to say, but I've never seen this segment! I have it on DVD but I can't bring myself to watch it because it sounds so darn creepy!! This story has been discussed many times here and I think I just have to do it. I know I sound like a wimp but I'm afraid what I might see. Are certain parts of the segment graphic? Are the boys' bodies shown? (I can't handle dead bodies)
I found the whole case quite "haunting" myself having first watched this episode when I was only a kid in the late 1980s and it's resonated with me ever since I recall seeing an article in a "conspiracy theory" magazine back in the 1990s on it as well with photos of the boys at school. I think one reason why it's always remained at the back of my mind is that Kevin Ives looked so much like one of my best mates in primary school. Idk how old you are, but as an impressionable young kid watching the show it definitely gave me the jeepers creepers--then again a lot of the cases on UM did I suggest you sit yourself down on the couch with a warm cup of cocoa and a blanket to watch it as UM did a really good job in retelling the main points of the case. Of course, they couldn't go into more details like other docos since have, but there's nothing confronting or distasteful that I remember, except for the entire case itself of course Let us know how well you handle it...
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I still believe both boys were murdered, that they saw something illegal and that they had to be killed to keep from talking about it (same deal with the Norman Ladner case too). Marijuana, even in the amount they smoked, would not render them unconscious. You do not lay yourself on a set of train tracks next to your best friend, dead or unconscious, and have it be an "accident". Unfortunately, I feel that the train running them over probably complicated the autopsy and a more definitive cause of death was not found due to that. Don was stabbed, but how was Kevin killed? I don't remember if they said how he died.
I totally agree with your reasoning. Regarding the autopsy I believe it was discovered that Don had been stabbed in the back while Kevin's skull had been crushed prior to being thrown on the tracks.
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I found the whole case quite "haunting" myself having first watched this episode when I was only a kid in the late 1980s and it's resonated with me ever since I recall seeing an article in a "conspiracy theory" magazine back in the 1990s on it as well with photos of the boys at school. I think one reason why it's always remained at the back of my mind is that Kevin Ives looked so much like one of my best mates in primary school. Idk how old you are, but as an impressionable young kid watching the show it definitely gave me the jeepers creepers--then again a lot of the cases on UM did I suggest you sit yourself down on the couch with a warm cup of cocoa and a blanket to watch it as UM did a really good job in retelling the main points of the case. Of course, they couldn't go into more details like other docos since have, but there's nothing confronting or distasteful that I remember, except for the entire case itself of course Let us know how well you handle it...
What other details are there that were not mentioned in UM?
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What other details are there that were not mentioned in UM?
Uh...if you haven't done so already I suggest you check out the documentary by Linda Ives, the mother of Kevin, entitled Obstruction of Justice. It's available on YouTube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=965M_9BCYsw. Linda's website is www.idfiles.com/index.htm Mind you it's been a while since I watched the video, but I believe it delves into her "conspiracy theory" raising a lot of questions and if I recall correctly she also hints at who she thinks was involved or at fault in the deaths of the boys.
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Uh...if you haven't done so already I suggest you check out the documentary by Linda Ives, the mother of Kevin, entitled Obstruction of Justice. It's available on YouTube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=965M_9BCYsw. Linda's website is www.idfiles.com/index.htm Mind you it's been a while since I watched the video, but I believe it delves into her "conspiracy theory" raising a lot of questions and if I recall correctly she also hints at who she thinks was involved or at fault in the deaths of the boys.
Just a heads up Spectre, I don't think we are allowed to post links from "YTbe" on here for some reason. Generally we refer to it as "the forbidden site", and give a description on how to find the video you want to share.
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The video doesn't make a particularly persuasive case, honestly. Strong evidence points to the murder of the two teens, there was probably CIA drug smuggling going on in the mid '80s in Arkansas, and Bill Clinton as governor probably protected criminally incompetent bureaucrats, as do all governors and their appointees. But these things don't cohere into a massive conspiracy. The moms didn't help their case in the '90s when they aligned themselves with the most repellent anti-Clintonism.
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Ok then i shall watch it. thanks!
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The moms didn't help their case in the '90s when they aligned themselves with the most repellent anti-Clintonism.
For the record, in Mara Leveritt's The Boys on the Tracks, Linda was extremely conflicted about using anti-Clinton media outlets to publicize the story throughout the '90s. She always viewed it as a means to an end, and in fact would directly state in radio interviews that her reason for even being there to speak in the first place wasn't Bill Clinton--it was Kevin and Don. Although she appeared in the overwhelmingly discredited Clinton Chronicles, she was not at all happy with the film when she saw it in its entirety for the first time, and in fact felt perhaps the only pieces of credible information in the video was her own story about the train deaths and the resultant resistance she, her husband, and the Henrys experienced from law enforcement immediately thereafter.

Marvelle Henry--Don's stepmother--had only limited media engagement, much of it limited to the three or four years after the murders. She and Curtis moved away to Magnolia, AR some time after 1990. The families had very different opinions on the quality of the investigation after Dan Harmon (law partner of Richard Garrett, who was interviewed on the segment) took on the case: Curtis thought highly of Harmon, and Linda came to greatly distrust him as the investigation progressed. So, the two families were never ultimately united in their efforts concerning the media throughout the '90s. In fact, it can be argued that while the Ives (Linda in particular) utilized it heavily during this time, the Henrys basically stayed away from it altogether (not the least of which reasons being that Curtis Henry feared for the safety of his oldest daughter Gayla--Don's sister--who he thought could be a potential target for retaliation).
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I totally agree with your reasoning. Regarding the autopsy I believe it was discovered that Don had been stabbed in the back while Kevin's skull had been crushed prior to being thrown on the tracks.
That is correct: Don was stabbed, and the injury pattern to Kevin's skull indicated that he was struck in the face with the butt of Don's rifle.

I too have always felt the two were murdered, and local and state authorities were involved in both the murder and the cover-up. I think the reason why the cover-up was perpetrated centered around cocaine. I think county prosecutor Dan Harmon was a key figure in ensuring the cover-up got off the ground and remained intact, and was perhaps actively or passively involved in the murders himself.

The extent of then-Governor Clinton's complicity, in my opinion, was his absolute reluctance to accept responsibility for the things going on in his state at the time, as well as his bizarre relationship with state medical examiner Fahmy Malak, to whom he was apparently indebted after Malak ruled favorably in the case of a 1981 surgical patient death in which Clinton's mother served as the patient's nurse anesthetist.

I think local figures--particularly Dan Harmon--are deserving of greater scrutiny and blame than Clinton will probably ever be. His inaction, however, certainly benefited those parties greatly.
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For the record, in Mara Leveritt's The Boys on the Tracks, Linda was extremely conflicted about using anti-Clinton media outlets to publicize the story throughout the '90s. She always viewed it as a means to an end, and in fact would directly state in radio interviews that her reason for even being there to speak in the first place wasn't Bill Clinton--it was Kevin and Don. Although she appeared in the overwhelmingly discredited Clinton Chronicles, she was not at all happy with the film when she saw it in its entirety for the first time, and in fact felt perhaps the only pieces of credible information in the video was her own story about the train deaths and the resultant resistance she, her husband, and the Henrys experienced from law enforcement immediately thereafter.
I agree: the Henry-Ives material in the video shames the rest.

I recommend Mara Leveritt's book too**one of the better reported true crime books of the last 20 years.
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5/24/2016 at Shobe Road Crossing, Alexander, Arkansas.
On the back of the cross is written, "WE WON'T FORGET."

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You won't learn much about Mena in a short video but Terry Reed's book http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...5407580&sr=1-1 Compromised is an excellent account of the operation. Reading skills are pre-requisite. The book is 681 pages long but it does include pictures.
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Terry Reed's book http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...5407580&sr=1-1 Compromised is an excellent account of the operation. Reading skills are pre-requisite.
I should think so.
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I should think so.
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Charlie3, are those your personal photos? I've always wanted to visit the tracks but haven't had a reason to head down that way in quite some time.

I can't get over how those flowers are tied to that cross with police tape. It's a sad, profound, and chilling image.
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