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Old 03-09-2007, 10:47 PM   #91
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The guess that she ran away wasn't really the thing that bothered me about the deputy's comment. Like kane7474 said, that could be due to lack of specific information.

I was more annoyed by his statement that they would have found the body and car if the story were legit. I think that's typical of specialists, in virtually any line of work. If they are convinced they worked hard and followed every lead, if the desired result doesn't follow then they question the initial source. The alternative to that is faulting themself, which they don't want to do.

Really there's no blame at all. That's what I was getting at in terms of probability. Just because you checked every lead doesn't mean you ever had a good lead. You might have looked in every junkyard and logical spot, but cars are mobile by definition, and not especially large or difficult to alter or conceal.

The true crime stories that bug me the most are the ones where the crime is so atypical that authorities dismiss it as a made up story and cynically suspect the family/close friends. This case had potential for that. Just think if the timeline had been somewhat different, and no witnesses like Rob's little brother. Other cases in that category are the Ramseys, Dr. MacDonald (IMO), and the UM case where the man's mother was killed after he gave the guy a lift from Hardees late at night in his truck.
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Yes Awsi, I agree that it is how it gets when the body isnt found. When the body isnt found and a suspect isnt caught, people get frustrated and start looking for someone to stick it on just to put their own minds at ease. What that deputy said kind of ticked me off in the sense that he was basically saying that if she were dead her body would have found. Not true. I am just really glad they didnt bust Rob for this because he would have been really easy for people to lay the blame on and wrongfully convict.
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This case totally boggles my mind... One minute im thinking rob did it , but now after reading articles maybe she is still alive somewhere???? But being pregnant and running away doesnt make much sense...Angela was 20, it said her ex boyfriend was 17, and Rob was 18.. Kind of odd for a 20 year old women to be dating a high school kid thats 17. Was Rob in high school at the time of the dissaperance?? Im guessing Angela was class of 89 or 90 and Rob was Class of 91? Not that this has anything to do with it. Does anyone have a clue what ever happened to Rob??? Im almost starting to believe that a pickup never existed wheter if she was killed by Rob or ranaway to Canada because of problems. Did they find Angelas fingerprints on the pay phone, did they find any other fingerprints on the pay phone... Did a call register from that payphone after 11:15 to Rob Shafers house... Someone else could of made the call and Angela may of never been at the phone booth.. Kyla could be an accomplice to Rob which is a crazy idea, but she has never been found you have to look at all angles..
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The age differences are a bit strange but in a small town of about 9000 people you won't have large graduating classes of people your own age. Angela turned 20 just two months before the abduction, and it's possible Rob and the ex-boyfriend were close to 19 and 18.

What evidence do we have of problems? I guess the assumption is it was an engagement brought on by the pregnancy but how can we be sure of that? I think the reports said Angela was four months pregnant. That was in April 1991. The UM segment said he have her a diamond ring in January. So they might not have known she was pregnant at the time.

One of the articles said two witnesses saw the truck and a man inside who fit Angela's description to Rob of what he looked like.
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Well its obvious if she was 4 months pregnant that they were only engaged because Rob got her pregnant. Getting married was a common thing to do when someone got pregnant then. Nowdays people dont just get married because they are pregnant. Did Angela attend Clinton high school??? I saw somewhere that her mother lived in Montrose, MO. I think thats around 15 minutes outside of Clinton and its a very very small school.
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Alot of weird stuff was going on from 1991-1993 in the Southeast Kansas, Southwest Missouri and Central Missouri area. Those 3 women from Springfield dissapeared in 1992. 3 women from Central Missouri dissapeared in 1991. In 1993 Ginger Hudson of Pittsburg, KS went missing and has still never been found. In 1993 Stefanie Schmidt i believe a 19 year old student at Pittsburg State was raped and killed by Donald Gideon. In 1989 in closeby Noel, MO a bank president was killed thrown alive into the lake. I believe there was also a woman from Galena, KS back in 1991 or 1992 that was abducted as well. I know that Stefanies case and the bankers case have been solved but maybe Donald Gideon had something to do with the dissapearances of all the other women??? or maybe there was another serial killer on the loose in this area at the time. All these places are all pretty close together. I wonder why anything on Ginger Hudson was never found?????? They never profiled anything on her.
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Did the I-70 killer ever make his way to Missouri and/or Kansas? I believe most of his killings were in that part of the country (Indiana and other Midwest states.) The exception being the three in Texas that they thought he might be responsible for.
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Well it doesnt necessarily have to mean that she was engaged to Rob just because she was pregnant. IT could be that they really loved each other and werent just engaged because of the pregnancy. I do think the same guy that abducted Hammond was a serial abducter/killer. I do not think it was Kenneth McDuff however I do think that the description of the abductor did match the man who assisted McDuff in Colleen Reed's abduction and probably other abductions, Alva Hank Worley.
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It's an interesting theory that it was Worley. Didn't McDuff say in his defense that Worley wanted to kidnap and kill a woman who ended up being Colleen Reed?

It would fit the fact pattern of the Colleen Reed disappearance... single woman alone in a location and taken against her will. Interesting theory, Kadrmas!
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It is an interesting theory indeed CRicci, I mean it is probably unlikely but it is possible. I am sure they wanted to go after Worley down in Texas as in put him on death row but they went easy on him to testify against McDuff. Worley I believe got a 40 year sentence and is still in prison in Texas. Indeed McDuff did try to shift the blame to Worley saying it was Worley's idea to abduct and rape Colleen Reed, I cant remember if McDuff tried to deny he was there at all when that happened or if he said he was just along for the ride. He said Worley "picked out" Colleen Reed so I dont know, I guess the only one that is still alive that really knows what happened there is Worley and I am sure he is going to keep his mouth shut because that is about the only hope he has of ever getting out of prison before he is like 70 years old.
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Yes, Worley is now 49 years old and became eligible for parole in May of 2002. However he has been denied and I doubt he gets out on parole. IF he is not released on parole his release date is set for May 14th, 2032 when Worley will be 75 years old. His release date is set so he might have to potentially serve every day of his full sentence before he is released. I am thinking that is how it will be but you never know.
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Well, regarding the theory that Worley did it alone, here's a strange thread I came across last week while researching McDuff. It's a recent thread on another site, started in early February 2007, regarding Worley's parole hearing.

I was reading the thread last week and amazed when many of Worley's relatives had posted, including his daughter. They stood up for him and insisted it was a one time event. Here's one long rant, from someone who says Worley was his/her uncle:

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"First, I want you to know my heart and soul cries for your losses. Both Rachel and Colleen. I totally agree with top capital punishment for all that are convicted of evil crimes. BUT....I do NOT agree with how you put half the stories in public view for them to react on. Your comments on Alva Hank Worley are shallow, unjust and unfair. Alva Hank Worley was as much a victim a Colleen Reed. He lost his life also. One really bad judgement changed many lives. Alva Hank Worley met Kenneth Allen McDuff through his ex-wife. Kenneth lived with them! Alva Hank Worley went to visit his kids one day and Kenneth was there. There with Alvas family! Evil demons in our world look just like you and me. How was he to know Kenneth Allen McDuff was a monster? Would you have known? Would you have just known by looking at him that he was a killer?, a tormenter?, a rapist? No, I don't think you would. If we had that abiliy, we would rid them before they could attack us. Wouldn't we? I have read many different reviews, stories, web pages after webpages and none of them tell the WHOLE story. I's easy to judge someone when all you hear is half the story. Or the "gossip" or the lies. PEOPLES OPINIONS...NOT THE REAL HARD TRUE FACTS! Alva Hank Worley is a very kind-hearted, giving, loving, generous person. The horror of that night will forever haunt him. Here is the TRUE story!

Alva Hank Worley met Kenneth Allen McDuff at his ex-wifes house while visiting with his babies. Kenneth asked Alva to go cruising with him....to tell the truth, and this is what it is all about, right? To find pot. They both smoked pot. And Kenneth asked him to go with him to find some..NOT TO FIND A VICTIM as was said. Alva Hank Worley had no reason not to trust him. He lived with his family! So, they went for a drive. McDuff obviously was out for something else. Worley had no idea what he was going to do. If he had, he would have had NO part in this and he would have done all he could to have stopped it. I know this for a fact. Alva Hank Worley has never hurt anyone and never would. He was in the passener seat when McDuff pulled into the car wash. He had no idea why McDuff stopped there. The next thing he knew, McDuff was pulling a woman to the car. McDuff made Alva Hank get out and drive. McDuff threw Colleen in the car. Alva Hank was driving now. This part only a few know. Alva Hank drove out of the car wash going the WRONG WAY on a oneway on purpose!!!! He tried to get attention. Never a cop when ya need one, right? right. He drove wrecklessly. He really tried but he knew McDuff had a gun. McDuff told him he did. Did you know this???? So, now McDuff is in the back seat with a lady and with a gun. What would you do at this point? Now, we can say what we would have done but in the heat of things, do you think straight? Especially in a case like this. No, you wouldn't. And I wouldn't. I would be so scared I couldn't breathe. So many times after the fact we say...gosh if I would have just done this or done that.....but after the fact. Alva Hank Worley knew he was in trouble and he was terrified. He thought he was go to be killed too. The experience was tramatic. He didn't know what to do. He was forced. He was threatened. McDuff always needed someone else to be there, someone he could say did it. He was SO evil! Colleen was sexually assulted and mudered. McDuff dropped Alva Hank off at his sisters house and told him if you say a word I will kill your kids and family. Alva Hank had NO reason to doubt him after what just happened. Would you? Alva Hank did not kill her, McDuff did! And he is gone, dead, out of our world! Thank God! Alva Hank did not know if she was dead or alive when he left. He was in terror. He knew McDuff would kill his babies. McDuff would kill his family. He lived with them!!!! To get this straight...they did NOT know he was a killer or rapist or anything other than a friend either. I don't know how they knew him or even met him. I don't know and I don't care. I am blessed to NEVER have known him. Alva Hank did tell. HE TURNED HIMSELF IN! He didn't run. He was scared. My uncle and friend ALVA HANK WORLEY IS INNOCENT! He has paid fully for just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And being another VICTIM of Kenneth Allen McDuff. The truth is there. Before you sign THE PETITION, make sure you know the facts before you leave a man in prison for something he had no control over. Uncle Hank is no monster. No threat to society. He is not perfect. But neither are we. God is our judge. God knows all the facts. God knows the truth and God will take care of it. Quit telling half the story. Tell the whole truth or shut up.

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Hmm Awsi, that is interesting. I dont know I guess I cant say for sure that Worley is a bad guy but I will tell you he did rape Colleen Reed and admitted as such. Whether or not it was his idea to abduct her and all that is unknown but I dont really buy this stuff that Worley is sweet as apple pie. I mean maybe he isnt a monster but he did do something horrible. I understand why he took the plea bargain, 40 years was about the best he was going to get. But I did look at the thread and it found it interesting. Maybe Worley didnt participate in the murder but he did rape Colleen Reed, he admitted to that and gun to your head or not, it is pretty sick. I cant say that I feel bad Worley is where he is. I dont think Worley would cause the streets of Texas to go into chaos if he were released but I wont be pushing for his parole either.
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kadrmas, in that McDuff thread I posted a link in which Worley said he and McDuff took turns raping Colleen Reed in the back seat while driving down the freeway, before pulling over to a desolate site and continuing similar sexual assault on the hood of the car. So I'm not buying the excuses either, although it may be true he never did anything horrible before or after.

For one thing, the UM depiction in that Colleen Reed segment has them driving slowly through residential streets, obviously unfamiliar with the area including which streets were one way. Hard to believe they weren't looking for a victim. If they both smoked pot then the logical conclusion is they did it frequently and would know where to access it, from the same sources they always used. You troll for victims somewhere you're not known and won't be easily identified.
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This case is interesting and it is one of the spookiest cases I have seen on UM. It is definitely one to watch late at night.

I find a few flaws in the boyfriend's story.

1) His car just so happened to go out during the "pursuit." Did the authorities ever check his car and really see if his transmission was stripped? Even if it was, it doesn't mean he didn't strip it on purpose after the fact.

2) The fact that he claims that the killer said "I didn't need to use the phone anyway" sounds a bit contrived and Hollywoodish to me.

3) It is odd that no one in town noticed this supposed "car chase." I know that model of Ford pick-up truck, they are quite loud.

4) If Angela was indeed pregnant, you have your motive. Rob was only 18 and may have freaked about the news.

5) The fact that no one in town saw any sort of pick-up truck like Rob described. It would be a tough one to miss with the rear window decorations.

6) Rob had the means, the motive, and opportunity. He was last one to see her alive. All this case lacks is a witness and a body. Other than that, Rob is convicted in any court.

I realize Rob's parents do say he really was at home on the phone with Angela when he said he was. But, I submit to you that it is possible that he simply told Angela to stay put, then he left the house in a fury (acting in front of his parents) and then goes straight to see her. He then kills her, and perhaps has a friend help with the disposal of her body. Then, he contrives this abductor story. Everything is just too convenient for Rob. What are the chances that he would make it to the phone booth in time to actually SEE the suspect and Angela. Further, what are the chances that his car would just so happen go out? I know he lived very close to the phone booth, but his story is just too perfect. All the planets would have to be lined up for his scenario to be true.

I told a friend about this case the other day. He had never seen the segment. I actually told it with the bias that I believed Rob's story. My friend immediately said "I don't know about that. Something stinks here. I think the BF is involved." He pointed out that what gave it away was the fact that the supposed abductor said "I didn't need the phone anyway." I agree with him, it does sound made up.

All the facts point toward the BF as far as I am aware.
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