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Old 03-07-2007, 10:58 PM   #76
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Seems to be plenty of corroboration on Rob's story in those articles:

"Two witnesses told police they saw a white man with a mustache wearing a dark-colored baseball-style cap sitting in the truck near the telephone booth Hammond was using. The witnesses' description is similar to one Hammond gave her fiance moments before the line went dead."

Also the specific name of a friend who Angela was with prior to the abduction:

"Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer.

Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. During that conversation Hammond told of a man who used a telephone next to her, left in a pickup truck, then returned and circled the parking lot. A moment later, Shafer heard Hammond scream."

Wow, that last paragraph is significantly different than the UM version. It has the guy calling then leaving in his truck before returning, while UM depicted him stepping into the other booth briefly then going to the truck to use a flashlight before he grabbed Angela.

That would be sick if Angela had a chance to depart while he was gone, but chose not to. Some similarities to the second Zodiac attack at Rock Springs golf course. In that incident the Zodiac apparently hesitated and drove away after parking briefly next to the victims, then returned and opened fire within minutes, after they did not leave.
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Its not odd at all for a reporter to get a few details mixed up, it happens all the time. I would have to say that the UM version is probably correct because their account of the events came right from Rob.
I think the posted articles further prove why Rob was never charged as a suspect. We have learned that other people saw the man and the truck, also the witness statements from Angie's friend support the timeline of events which clearly shows Rob did not have the time to pull this off.
However I am still curious about how long it took Rob to contact police and what the reaction was from them once notified. I realize the article states he was "taken" to the police station around midnight, but they do not tell us whether he was able to call them before he was taken there. Several times it is stated that hundreds of volunteers where out searching for her the next day but nothing is said about the first reaction by law enforcement. Their best chance of finding her alive would have been right after she was taken, not the next day. I know that police depts. will never admit fault or openly say that they mis handled a case, likewise different law enforcement agencies will cover for one anothers mistakes. I am betting the local and county cops botched this one and they know it. Was there an APB put out? Was the highway patrol and all neighboring counties alerted in a timely manner? Where the police helicopters from Kansas City called in to search?
Ive noticed that in the articles and in the UM segemt they seem to present a clear recolection of events between 9pm and 11:15, however after the chase ends everything goes very vaugue until the next morning when volunteers where out combing the woods. I am guessing the reason for the vaugeness in this time period is that there was some type of screw up on the part of the police. It could be that they did not beileve Rob's story and treated him as a suspect or possibly there was a lack of communication between the Clinton police and other agencies. It just seems to me they are covering up what went on directly after she was reported missing.

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Well I am pretty sure the guy in the truck was long gone. If Schafer's car broke down, I am sure the cops checked the transmission to confirm that actually did happen. There wasnt cell phones back then, if Schafer even called the cops within moments the guy in the truck would have been speeding down a gravel country road I am sure with no cops on it. He would have been dumb to take a well traveled road where there would be cops. The guy was probably in Kansas by the time got mobilized and I am sure back then that law enforcement agencies in different counties and jurisdictions did not communicate well together. I dont even think in a lot of cases they communicate that well now but it is better now than it was in the early 90's. I am pretty sure though the guy in the truck was long gone from the area by the time the police were mobilized.
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I am sure back then that law enforcement agencies in different counties and jurisdictions did not communicate well together

You're saying that like they communicate well now...
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Haha, well believe me CRicci, I dont think they communicate well together now, at least more often than not they dont communicate well. I know in some areas the local cops tend to not care much for the state guys but I dont know if it is like that everywhere. I know around here for the most part something could happen in one county and it seems that cops in a neighboring county more often than not wouldnt know anything about what was going on in neighboring counties. How are the communications out in Montana between agencies? We actually had a fugitive from my neighboring county that was arrested in Billings, Montana a couple of years ago. He killed an elderly man here that had taken him in after his release from prison and then stole his car and his bank cards and stuff. He made it to Billings and then foolishly got drunk and decided to drive around and he got in a car accident.
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Today I got to speek with a former Henry County Sherriffs deputy that was part of the investigation into Angela's dissaperance. I used to work with this guy and I remember him saying that he was from Urich and was a County sherriffs deputy. I just today put two and two together and realized that Urich is indeed in Henry county and called him.
He told me he remembered the case very well and it was the stangest thing that law enforcement in that area had ever dealt with. Most of what he told me I already knew from the UM episode and the newspaper articles. However I did find out something new when I asked him how it was possible that this guy was able to get away in a truck that should stand out like a sore thumb. His response was, even if the Clinton police had contacted Henry county within minutes of the abduction it would have served little purpose, because at that time period (1991) on a weekday and that late at night, Henry county would have only had two officers on duty to cover their entire area. He said most of the counties around there would have had about the same number of officers on duty. He went on to say that the highway patrol would have only had one or two officers in the area and there is no telling as to where they were when this took place.
I then asked him what his honest opinion was as to what happened to her and he responded just like the last person from Clinton that I asked. He said he thinks she ran away because of problems at home and had Rob cook up the story. So I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that if the story were true they would have found a body or the truck by now. Then I reminded him about Cherl Kenney who went missing much the same way Angela did and has never been found, I asked him if he thought the two were tied in and he basically said there is really no way to know until you find bodies. He did tell me though that its entirely possible that the abductor could live somewhere in southern Missouri deep in the ozarks where cops are never seen, there are literly hundreds of miles of wooded unpopulated areas where this guy could reside. If he made it back to his place without being seen he could have hid or chopped up his truck and very well could be holding Angela and Cheryl to this day.
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Check this out, just one year after Angela's abduction we have a similar case in Springfield. Could they be related?


On June 7, 1992, the Springfield, Missouri Police Department was notified of the disappearance of three women from a residence in central Springfield.

The parents of Stacy McCall, one of the missing women, contacted the police department in reference to their daughter's disappearance from the home of Sherrill Levitt and Suzanne Streeter, the other two missing women. Upon officers' arrival, the house bore no signs of a struggle, but rather the appearance of the missing women being abducted. All personal property was left behind including purses, money, clothing, cars, keys, cigarettes, and the family dog.

Stacy McCall and Suzanne Streeter had graduated from high school the day before their disappearance and were last seen at approximately 2:15 a.m. on 06/07/92 when they left a graduation party in a nearby community enroute to the Levitt/Streeter home at 1717 E. Delmar, Springfield. It appeared as though they had arrived at the residence because their clothing, jewelry, purses, and vehicles were still at this location.

Suzanne's mother, Sherrill Levitt, was last heard from at approximately 11:15 p.m. on 06/06/92 when she talked with a friend about painting a chest of drawers. Levitt's car, purse, keys, etc., were left at the residence and it appeared as though her bed had been slept in when friends and police arrived to check the residence.

With the assistance of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, Missouri State Highway Patrol, and numerous other law enforcement agencies, an extensive investigation into the lives of the missing women has been conducted with no positive leads concerning the reason for their disappearance or their location.

A reward fund of $42,000 has been established for the location and prosecution of the persons responsible for the abduction of the three women. Anyone with information into the disappearance of Mrs. Levitt, Miss Streeter, and Miss McCall is requested to contact the Springfield Police Department or CRIME STOPPERS.
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That Springfield case is discussed on webseluths and also on this forum, above in the non-UM cases section.
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I then asked him what his honest opinion was as to what happened to her and he responded just like the last person from Clinton that I asked. He said he thinks she ran away because of problems at home and had Rob cook up the story. So I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that if the story were true they would have found a body or the truck by now.
Gad, I'd thrill to wager against that conclusion. It definitely helped me in regard to evaluating probability once I loved to Las Vegas. Here you need to know what true odds are. I see tourists all the time walk up to the sportsbook and take a ridiculous number on something, smiling and completely oblivious that they just got royally screwed.

It reminds me of something I saw on Hardball today. A female political analyst, one on the same side I am, made a remarkably ignorant forecast about one presidential candidate. Chris Matthews had the exact instinct I had at the time. He cut her off in pure frustration and said, "I wish I could bet people on things like this."

Exactly. That's the way I felt about Richard Floyd McCoy as DB Cooper in those long threads last year. Arguing is pointless. Somehow find a result and let me align with one side.

Just because a specific person was being searched for, and a description of a truck, that hardly justifies a conclusive leap that they would have been found if the story was legit. kane7474's post revealed what I guessed to be true and mentioned in a previous post, that few law enforcement were probably chase-ready late at night in that area. So we have no idea where the truck ended up. Just that it turned west out of Clinton at something like 11:45 PM. From there the permutations are massive in number.

It really irks the hell out of me. How can someone with a law enforcement background make a statement like that? This is an unknown vehicle. It's not like the Lisa Marie Kimmell case where you KNOW EXACTLY what the vehicle is; make, model, year, license plate and serial number. Here you have merely a few details, apparently not even a partial license plate number. This required disposing of one small female and one unknown old truck. Heck, police could have come into contact with the truck many times subsequently and had no idea it was connected to this case.

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Sheesh.... after reading that, I guess if you're going to get abducted, it's worse to get abducted from a small town.
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Sheesh.... after reading that, I guess if you're going to get abducted, it's worse to get abducted from a small town.
Indeed, and if we had a serial killer that abducted all these girls I'll bet he considered what you just said before he started.
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That Springfield case is discussed on webseluths and also on this forum, above in the non-UM cases section.
Right, and has anyone ever suggested that all these cases could be tied in? You have abductions in Macks Creek, Nevada, Clinton and Springfield all in about a years time. Its like the killer/abductor made a circle of sorts, it also lends credence to the theory that this guy lives deep in the ozarks and only leaves his area long enough to grab some young girls. He sticks to fairly rural areas and strikes late at night knowing full well that there is a lack of law enforcement at this time.
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What does everyone think about the possibility Angela did run away and Rob covered for her? I honestly don't know what to think, part of the time I feel she was abducted and then I read something like this that starts to change my mind. One thing that keeps going through my mind is if she had problems at home and her and Rob were engaged anyway, why didn't they just did get married and move away? I keep thinking what would be so bad that it would make BOTH of them agree to make this up and live apart the rest of their lives, especially with her being pregnant with his baby? Thank you Kane7474 for posting that information, that was very interesting to me to read.
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What does everyone think about the possibility Angela did run away and Rob covered for her? I honestly don't know what to think, part of the time I feel she was abducted and then I read something like this that starts to change my mind. One thing that keeps going through my mind is if she had problems at home and her and Rob were engaged anyway, why didn't they just did get married and move away? I keep thinking what would be so bad that it would make BOTH of them agree to make this up and live apart the rest of their lives, especially with her being pregnant with his baby? Thank you Kane7474 for posting that information, that was very interesting to me to read.
Long, I wouldnt put to much into the theory of her running away. Both of the people (including the Deputy) who told me that did not consider the other abductions in the area or all of the evidence in this case. From what I understand people came up with this idea after all the sightings of her that came in from UM. All the papers in town published this information and thats what got people thinking this way. They do not dig in like we do in here, instead they take whats on the surface
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Good point, that makes it more clear to me now. Not that I would rather her have been kidnapped but I didn't like the idea of her just running away. Thanks.
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