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Old 03-02-2007, 08:41 AM   #16
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I live fairly close to where this happened and I can tell you that alot of people around here feel she was not abducted at all. Some folks feel the boyfriend actually did this and then cooked up the story about the abduction. I would hate to point the finger at the innocent if indeed this is not the case but I have heard more then one person say this is what they beileve.
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Can't the phone company get information about the call if the call was made??
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I live fairly close to where this happened and I can tell you that alot of people around here feel she was not abducted at all. Some folks feel the boyfriend actually did this and then cooked up the story about the abduction. I would hate to point the finger at the innocent if indeed this is not the case but I have heard more then one person say this is what they beileve.

If that's the case though, where is she? Where is her body? Surely there would have been some sort of evidence at his house.

I think most probably a town rumour!

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Yeah, nothing more than small town rumor and cynicism. Far too many unknown variables for Rob to have made up the story. Not only would he be taking a chance on no record of a phone call from the phone booth to his house, but what if someone was in that area of the phone booths during the time he picked? Someone could have been there for hours, for whatever reason, and completely contradicted Rob's tale if he had made it up.

The story is very credible. Notice that it is not standard. It includes little aspects like the guy hesitating before parking and approaching Angela. How dirty he was. The mural with the specific and very rare depiction of a fish jumping out of water. The chilling part about, "I didn't need to use the phone, anyway." Those are real world twists, but things that people don't include when they invent a story. Make believe tales are much more careful and bland.
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Yes Awsi, I agree. I am not saying Rob Schafer for sure wasnt involved but I have a hard time believing he was. I wouldnt want to believe he was either. I mean the guy seemed like he loved Angie very much, that he was horribly broken up about it and that he missed her terribly. I just dont think he did it. I think it is mostly small town rumors at work here and the fact that they could never find who did it and some people when that happens need someone to blame and so they pick Rob who is a convienent person for them to blame because he was the boyfriend and because he wasnt able to stop the abductor. Usually when they cant find who did it, these are the same people who need someone to blame and then pick an innocent man and sometimes get him put in prison just to put their own minds at ease.
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Yeah, nothing more than small town rumor and cynicism. Far too many unknown variables for Rob to have made up the story. Not only would he be taking a chance on no record of a phone call from the phone booth to his house, but what if someone was in that area of the phone booths during the time he picked? Someone could have been there for hours, for whatever reason, and completely contradicted Rob's tale if he had made it up.

The story is very credible. Notice that it is not standard. It includes little aspects like the guy hesitating before parking and approaching Angela. How dirty he was. The mural with the specific and very rare depiction of a fish jumping out of water. The chilling part about, "I didn't need to use the phone, anyway." Those are real world twists, but things that people don't include when they invent a story. Make believe tales are much more careful and bland.
Like I said before Im just telling you what people in the area were saying back then. I for one find it odd they never found this kidnapper/murderer. This happened in a very small town in a rural area, this is an area where everyone knows everyone in a 50 mile radius. So its obvious if the story is true the man in the truck could not have been from the area. That being said with such a noticable vehicle with a fish mural in the back window how did he make it out of there without being caught. You have a truck that would stand out like a sore thumb and no hi-way patrolmen, no county or local cops could find him? Its not like there's a whole lot of different routes this guy could have taken to get outta town and if he was a local and knew of places to hide someone would have known him from the description of the truck. Also those same locals that beileve Rob was behind this also knew that Angela was pregant with his child.
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I get what you're saying, Kane7474. However, I'm 99% sure that Rob wasn't involved. I tend to agree with Awsi... the details Rob provided were strange enough to be credible. In addition, it doesn't make any sense to me that the Clinton, MO police didn't investigate the hell out of him. Generally, in abduction/homicide cases, the police usually look at the individuals closest to the victim. Rob would certainly fall into that category.

As for the pregnancy thing, if Rob and Angie were engaged... wouldn't Rob be HAPPY about the pregnancy? Just a thought...
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You know, I was thinking about this a bit more: Another fact which adds credibility to Rob's story is that two other women in the area had disappeared under strange circumstances as well.
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You know, I was thinking about this a bit more: Another fact which adds credibility to Rob's story is that two other women in the area had disappeared under strange circumstances as well.
Yes you are right about that I do remember there were some other strange dissappearances around the same time. Im going to have to watch this episode again and get the facts straight.
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I just watched the episode again and as usual UM leaves out the information I was hoping to get. What Im curious about is, how long after the chase ended was it before Rob called the police. In the re-enactment it shows his car break down, then he gets out and pounds on the hood in frustration. It does not appear that he is running anywhere to get to a phone. There are plenty of homes in the area where he broke down, it would not have taken him more than 5 minutes to call the police with a description of the truck, the driver and Angela. I cannot phathom how in the world they would not have caught this guy if Rob called the police directly after the chase ended. There are only a few roads in and out of Clinton, it would have been simple for the hiway patrol and the Sherrifs dept to set up roadblocks on every road in a 50 mile radius and catch this guy. I also find it odd that there were no witnesses to this chase. Here you have a nice quiet area late at night and two cars go tearing through at high rates of speed and no one notices this? If the FBI cleared Rob I must assume they have the information that we do not, also being there were two other kidnapping/murders in the vicinity Id say this was the work of a serial killer. He knew that someone had a description of both him and his vehicle and he left the area. This is why Angela was the last victim, he either laid low and stayed out of sight or went to another part of the country to continue killing and no one has tied this all together yet.
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In one of the newspaper articles I read it said Rob was taken down to the police station around midnight. What time did she call Rob? I think the doenetwork states she was last seen at 11:45 p.m. So if that is when she called him he must have tried to get help pretty quick?
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OK, I went back and read the article and it quoted Rob as saying he and Angela were talking around 11:00 pm. and that is when he jumped in his car to go down there. I've got more articles to go back and read but have to do that later when I have more time.
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For some reason, this story always seemed far fetched to me, like it was made up. I mean, for one, I don't know why, if she was so close to his house/her house, why was she using a payphone and didn't just go see him. Also, when she said someone was coming to use the phone next to her, how would he not go down and make sure she's ok. I know if that was my girlfriend, I would be pretty nervous for her and I would go check on her because it obviously wasn't that far away. As for the whole chase scene, it just seems odd that he passes, and then his car gives out...something just seems odd about that. Also, when his car dies, as someone said he just hits his car and gives up. I mean if i could still see the car or the road it was going on, I would keep running or go find someone elses car to use. It also just seems weird that she went into such "depth" of her description of the vehicle while she was on the phone. I know if I were to describe a car, I would just say "oh, it's an older truck" or something. Who knows.. something seems weird about this case to me.
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In my humble opinion, you can't place much emphasis on the reannactment of Rob slamming the hood of his car in frustration and then basically giving up when his car died. UM segments don't ALWAYS go into perfect detail when they recreate a specific event. They are just filmed to give us a very basic picture of what happened. They aren't always 100% accurate in every microscopic detail. (For instance, in the Cindy James segment, they left out several little extra details in their reanactments - I know this because I read both books.) So, for all we know, Rob might very well have ran to a nearby house or gas station or some place close to find a phone. We just don't know.

It's easy for all of us NOW to ask quetions like, why didn't Rob rush over there earlier once the pickup truck pulled in the parking lot.... but admit it, most of the time you're going to let your guard down. It's not like you're going about your business and expecting to be kidnapped. It's just too bad that cell phones weren't as big then as they are now.

In my humble opinion, there are 3 things that can prove Rob's innocence...none of which were mentioned on the Unsolved Mysteries segment.

1.) Rob's station wagon. According to the segment, Rob damaged the transmission of the vehichle when he slammed it into reverse while going forward. If he was in fact the killer, than he would have purposely ruined his own car.

2.) Telephone records. All the police would have to do is check the telephone records to see if Rob's house did in fact get a phone call from that pay phone several blocks away on the night in question.

3.) Rob's little brother. When Angela was abducted, Rob was babysitting his little brother. I'm sure his little brother can verify that the two were alone all evening, Rob got the phone call than dropped the receiver and ran out of the house when he heard Angela scream.

It's also important to note that that evening, Rob and Angela were at a barbecue together before she dropped him off to babysit....their friends could most likely verify that they were there and what time they left. This would leave him no time to actually kill her and dispose of her body after babysitting and then purposely wrecking his car to make it look real. Also, Clinton is a small "blink and you'll miss it" town. Where would he have hidden the body never to be found in such a short amount of time? And most importantly, what would the motive be?

I have visited small towns like Clinton before and one thing that always jumped out at me was how dead they are when evening rolls around - (that's why I always think it's more fun to vacation in towns like that but not actually live there....too boring.) It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for there to not be many people around to see the chase when it happened, especially given how late it was.
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For some reason, this story always seemed far fetched to me, like it was made up. I mean, for one, I don't know why, if she was so close to his house/her house, why was she using a payphone and didn't just go see him. Also, when she said someone was coming to use the phone next to her, how would he not go down and make sure she's ok. I know if that was my girlfriend, I would be pretty nervous for her and I would go check on her because it obviously wasn't that far away. As for the whole chase scene, it just seems odd that he passes, and then his car gives out...something just seems odd about that. Also, when his car dies, as someone said he just hits his car and gives up. I mean if i could still see the car or the road it was going on, I would keep running or go find someone elses car to use. It also just seems weird that she went into such "depth" of her description of the vehicle while she was on the phone. I know if I were to describe a car, I would just say "oh, it's an older truck" or something. Who knows.. something seems weird about this case to me.

I don't know if Rob is guilty or innocent but everyone assumes that the Missouri police did an impartial investigation. I believe you and kane bring up some interesting points. But here are a few more.

1) Rob dosen't even know part of the license plate#. I mean if it was high speed neck and neck chase you would expect him to get atleast part of it. In addition, why didn't he get hypnosis to atleast try to remember it.

2)Was there an All Points Bulletin on the truck? If anyone knows please share. The first thing he needed to do was to get an APB out to catch the guy.

3)People make an issue about the pregnancy. Let's say that Rob wanted Angie to abort the kid and she disagreed. Also vice versa maybe she wanted to abort and he didn't. Husbands and boyfriends kill pregnant women, does anyone remember Scott Peterson? Damm not that whole thing again.

4)Police Investigation- the assumption is that the great law enforcement in Missouri cleared him with diligent police work. They do mistakes. Anyone remember the great Missouri police work in the Ryan Stallings and johnny lee wilson case? that is just to name a FEW.

5)Look at Rob's glazing eyes during his Um interview. His facial expressions reminded me of the cop who killed his son and lied about it on another UM segment. Remember he made up the story that his 3 year old kid was kidnapped.

Do I think Rob did it? Not sure. But I don't have all the police info in the case to make an educated hypothesis.
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