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Old 03-01-2021, 10:21 AM   #61
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For me this whole segment was an unfortunate train wreck. The family is on national tv trying to make sense of their father/ex husband’s disappearance. Probably wanting to hang onto hope that he is still alive, but that would mean that he was guilty of a terrible crime and chose to abandon them. Then the company out right smeared dale when they should have been held accountable to some degree. I struggle to watch this segment now without getting angry. To me it’s obvious he was a victim.
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Old 03-22-2021, 11:08 PM   #62
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For me this whole segment was an unfortunate train wreck. The family is on national tv trying to make sense of their father/ex husband’s disappearance. Probably wanting to hang onto hope that he is still alive, but that would mean that he was guilty of a terrible crime and chose to abandon them. Then the company out right smeared dale when they should have been held accountable to some degree. I struggle to watch this segment now without getting angry. To me it’s obvious he was a victim.

It's interesting how the company happened to go out of business not long after, they had even given Dale this job because they couldn't afford to pay him and several other workers. Dale was the perfect patsy, and now they didn't have to pay him this pension.

Is it out of this world to think Dale played a part? not really, but it makes little sense, UM say that the platinum was worth 250K, but what it's worth and what you could sell it for on the black market especially when it's so hot, are very different things, he would have then had to split this money between himself and at least one other person, the man in the video, maybe there were more people involved.

He would have walked away from this with much less than 100k, maybe only 50k, he was only 50 years old, thats young, he could have easily lived until he was in his 90s, 40 years more, on the run forever, not able to get work because he was wanted, no ID, no car, no family, no life all that for maybe 50-80K? no way!

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Insurance Fraud sounds likely on the surface, but I think after screwing over so many of their employees, the powers that be at Corning were content to take their golden parachutes, pin the whole thing on Dale and then walk away and call it good (despite what statements by a sniveling weasel like Patrick Foley might suggest). Think about it - the only people with the brains to pull off a fraud job like this from the inside were probably the same mid-high level managers that got those golden parachutes. To them, ripping off the platinum and then trying to hock it on the way out the door like that would be not only superfluous, but an unneeded and inconvenient hassle


On the other hand, I view it being an inside job as equally probable as I do it being done by a professional crew. With either of these, you have one or more people with nothing to lose and Dale being the one loose thread that needs to be taken care of (by virtue of his being in the wrong place at the wrong time)
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I was always shocked at how management portrayed Dale in the segment. He was described as “marginal”, “slow” and problematic.

I believe during the segment management played the CYA (cover your a: card. Its obvious that security was not takin serious by management or others in charge. 3 security cameras to monitor a 112,000 square foot facility?? That doesnt even include doorways, loading docks, parking lots etc. Also, why would management place a “marginal” employee who may be disgruntled in a security position where he has access to the entire facility on an overnight shift??

I dont believe Dale was involved other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I do believe he was disgruntled but he had every right to be. He worked for that company for 27 years and look how they treated and described him. Sad.
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I was always shocked at how management portrayed Dale in the segment. He was described as “marginal”, “slow” and problematic.

I believe during the segment management played the CYA (cover your a: card. Its obvious that security was not takin serious by management or others in charge. 3 security cameras to monitor a 112,000 square foot facility?? That doesnt even include doorways, loading docks, parking lots etc. Also, why would management place a “marginal” employee who may be disgruntled in a security position where he has access to the entire facility on an overnight shift??

I dont believe Dale was involved other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I do believe he was disgruntled but he had every right to be. He worked for that company for 27 years and look how they treated and described him. Sad.

With doors into the place that anyone, including Dale's daughter, could walk in to whenever they felt like visiting at all hours of the night.

3 days to even check the tapes to see what they caught.

I will argue it till I'm blue in the face. This was a hatchet job to try to negate the company's negligence so their insurance provider would still pay out for the theft.
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Yea that guy was just plain creepy. He said he thought his father went to Canada or Australia and would come back in seven years when the statute of limitations was up. Why would he even say such a thing? He was also smiling while being interviewed. If I was on national television, talking about my missing father, I certainly would not be smiling. I don't believe he could have been the masked man though. Whoever it was knew the plant very well. It had to have been someone who was employed there at some point.
My guess...still a bit angry because was still a kid when his dad disappeared. Perhaps it's easier to think he took off for 7 years with a plan to return than to think he was murdered?
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I'm leaning towards Dale being involved, although I'm not sure if he chose to disappear or was double-crossed by his partner and killed. I think the latter is probably more likely.

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Nowadays I’m kind of on the fence about whether he was involved or a victim. To me being a part of that for only worth 250k which would most likely be split with at least one other person doesn’t seem worth it at all to me, so if I absolutely had to choose one way or another, I’d probably say dale was a victim and not involved at all.
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Dale was alone in the plant and went about his job with minimal supervision. If he was involved, he could have nipped "here and there" above suspicion. He didn't need a partner to steal because the area of the plant had been shuttered in preparation of closure.

So where did the stolen platinum go?

I don't think there are any reports of it surfacing in all the years.

Just another wild speculation, but what if the real intention was to eliminate Dale and the theft was to cover it up?
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Dale was alone in the plant and went about his job with minimal supervision. If he was involved, he could have nipped "here and there" above suspicion. He didn't need a partner to steal because the area of the plant had been shuttered in preparation of closure.

So where did the stolen platinum go?

I don't think there are any reports of it surfacing in all the years.

Just another wild speculation, but what if the real intention was to eliminate Dale and the theft was to cover it up?
Never thought of this, but the way Dale's employers talked about him it does make you wonder. They didn't seem very happy with him at the time, and apparently by all accounts the feeling was mutual so that does lend this theory some credence.

I do think the perp was someone who was connected with the plant, the average random thief off the street does not go into a plant for platinum and they likely wouldn't know where to look for it or what to do with it even if they did find it.

Obviously there is no way to know four sure, I'd still lean towards the theft being the likely motive but your idea is definitely not outlandish.
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He didn't need a partner to steal because the area of the plant had been shuttered in preparation of closure.
The point you made up above would prove why he WOULD need a partner.

We know that the plant had numerous cameras that both Dale and the masked intruder were caught on. Now what if Dale decided to just steal the platinum himself?

You answered correctly, the cameras would just show Dale around the furnace and there would be no doubt that Dale was behind it.

This is why Dale doing this himself wouldn't be wise.
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The point you made up above would prove why he WOULD need a partner.

We know that the plant had numerous cameras that both Dale and the masked intruder were caught on. Now what if Dale decided to just steal the platinum himself?

You answered correctly, the cameras would just show Dale around the furnace and there would be no doubt that Dale was behind it.

This is why Dale doing this himself wouldn't be wise.
My understanding was there were no cameras showing the platinum containing areas (which is bizarre to me), as they didn't seem to have any footage of anyone actually taking the platinum (beyond rolling something on a pallet jack).

Though I readily admit I could be wrong about that.
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So where did the stolen platinum go?

I don't think there are any reports of it surfacing in all the years.
This, right here. This is the biggest WTF of the whole thing for me. It makes no sense to steal something if you still haven't sold it thirty years later.

Unless this is The Rip Van Winkle Caper, from the Twilight Zone

Maybe that's what happened....
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My understanding was there were no cameras showing the platinum containing areas (which is bizarre to me), as they didn't seem to have any footage of anyone actually taking the platinum (beyond rolling something on a pallet jack).

Though I readily admit I could be wrong about that.
No, there was footage of the masked man around the furnace where the platinum was contained.

One of the managers in the segment said that he saw the masked intruder "go up to the tank area." he then says "whoever removed the platinum from the tank, was extremely familiar with the plant. everything in the plant they knew exactly where to go"

so the masked man was definitely caught on camera around the platinum. this is why it wouldn't have made sense for Dale to do this alone.
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This, right here. This is the biggest WTF of the whole thing for me. It makes no sense to steal something if you still haven't sold it thirty years later.

Unless this is The Rip Van Winkle Caper, from the Twilight Zone

Maybe that's what happened....
How traceable is platinum? It could have been sold on the black market or even out of the country. Or the thief or thieves could have even used it for something.
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