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Old 05-05-2021, 03:01 PM   #1306
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I don't think I actually said that. But even if I had said that, why would making up silly theories lend more credence to your theory that Rob is innocent?
Rob's involvement and the mechanics of the crime is a silly theory at this point. That was the point.

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Choosing to believe Rob's story is also speculation as the proof that exists does not prove his claim that there was a stranger bothering Angela when she was talking to him or that he chased a truck with the abductor and Angela in it.
Are you really arguing that because no one actually witnessed her being abducted or saw her talking to this stranger that that is somehow a knock against Rob's story?

He told the police that Angela described the man who kept circling around the booth and the vehicle he drove. One week after her disappearance, two different witnesses described the same looking man and the same truck circling the booth at the same time that Angela was there. Think about this logically for a second, how would Rob have known what truck to describe and what the guy looked like, if he was at home? And, assuming that he saw the truck and the guy while arguing with Angela, how would he have known that there were other witnesses to back the existence of this guy up?

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I'm sorry, are you really trying to argue the possibility that Angela had Stockholm Syndrome? Or plastic surgery after running off? Or that she pretended to talk to somebody who wasn't there on the phone? Or that Rob went for a midnight snack after killing Angela?
No, I am saying that you can literally throw out anything as "possible", regardless of how ridiculous it might sound.
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You're starting to bore me. You're only replying back at this point to get the last word in, but you're not saying anything.
I'm replying back because that's usually what you do on a discussion board.

And I am not trying to change your mind. But would you at least concede that the only evidence/point/whatever against Rob is the fact that his story sounds unbelievable? Will you at least concede that point?
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I'm replying back because that's usually what you do on a discussion board.
Haha fair enough. I'm being hypocritical here.

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And I am not trying to change your mind. But would you at least concede that the only evidence/point/whatever against Rob is the fact that his story sounds unbelievable? Will you at least concede that point?
Well yes and no. I'll concede that's my main reasoning, but I also wonder about a possible motive.

I do think that they got into an argument that night on the phone, and I'm not sure what it was about, but I do wonder if there was building tension and they had been arguing previously. Another reason why I suspect Rob is because I think he possibly had a motive. I've read that it was a possibility that the child belonged to Angela's ex. I do wonder if he was jealous of the fact, or he thought the child was his and wasn't ready to be a father at such a young age.

I've wondered if Angela's ex/possible child was a point of argument between the two.
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Are you really arguing that because no one actually witnessed her being abducted or saw her talking to this stranger that that is somehow a knock against Rob's story?
No, like I said, I'm arguing that everything except what can be confirmed is speculation, including Rob's account of a stranger abducting Angela.

I have no idea how those witnesses came forward. If police stated they were looking for a truck like that in the area around that time, I do not find those accounts exactly definitive proof. Also interesting they didn't notice Angela or the kidnapping.

You also mentioned the witness who saw a woman fitting Angela's description getting into a similar truck in Manitoba. You really find that witness account credible? Didn't you just suggest the Stockholm Syndrome theory is ridiculous?

That said, maybe this truck truly exists and Rob thought he was being smart by describing a real vehicle he hadn't seen before. But as I said earlier, witness accounts help to identify a suspect, they don't clear another.

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No, I am saying that you can literally throw out anything as "possible", regardless of how ridiculous it might sound.
And some "possible" theories are more likely than others. Rob being the killer is the most likely of all alternative theories. I would say just as likely as the main theory, since there is no concrete evidence of Rob's account that a stranger was bothering Angela when she was talking to him or that he chased a truck with the abductor and Angela in it. With all the wild speculation that goes on around here, I 'm astonished that Rob being the killer isn't seriously discussed here.
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Anyone near Clinton, Missouri who could get the police reports? I would chip in to get copies. The witness interviews would be revealing and maybe Rob gave a written statement.
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I have no idea how those witnesses came forward. If police stated they were looking for a truck like that in the area around that time, I do not find those accounts exactly definitive proof. Also interesting they didn't notice Angela or the kidnapping.
I definitely think those witness descriptions were phony. Probably two people who knew Rob who didn't want him found guilty. Taken from Unsolved Fandom

"Two witnesses later came forward, seeing a truck and suspicious person around the pay phones between 11:30 and 11:45pm, shortly before Angela's disappearance."

She called Rob at 11:15. Those times that they saw the truck are suspicious to me


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"Two witnesses later came forward, seeing a truck and suspicious person around the pay phones between 11:30 and 11:45pm, shortly before Angela's disappearance."

She called Rob at 11:15. Those times that they saw the truck are suspicious to me
Yeah, according to Rob the circling on the parking lot happened earlier in the conversation and some time passed while the guy parked, got out to use the phone, went back to fidget with his flashlight and then went up to Angela. They saw all that, minus the abduction, between 11.30 and 11:45? This seems especially weird if she was abducted at 11:37.

Another thing is that at first glance, the witnesses seem to give the exact same descriptions as Rob and Angela gave, without any additional details. I find it strange that 4 separate witnesses would notice the exact same things about this suspect and his truck. I'd really love to read the witness statements.

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Id gladly chip in but I’m not near Clinton
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A ransom letter written on the day of Angela Hammond's abduction may point to a case of mistaken identity. It suggests the abductor may have thought he was abducting the daughter of a police informant, also named Angela, who was living in the same community at the time.

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A ransom letter written on the day of Angela Hammond's abduction may point to a case of mistaken identity. It suggests the abductor may have thought he was abducting the daughter of a police informant, also named Angela, who was living in the same community at the time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-identity.html
I don't believe this for one moment. It just reeks of the usual ridiculous theories that come out when people get desperate to find a resolution to a case that sadly may not be solvable.

The fact is, this case badly disturbs a lot of people. It was the audacious and appalling abduction of a very pretty and popular girl by a guy who sounded a little bit like someone off of Wrong Turn, the would be hero boyfriend gives chase but the bad guy gets away with her and he and her both disappear forever. That's a hard pill to swallow, but it happens.

I think this case is exactly what it looks like. Some sick and sexually depraved perv saw a sick opportunity, took it, and got away with it. Maybe he wasn't smart, he probably just got lucky and had enough sly and animal like cunning to hide the body well. And from his clothing and appearance he probably was a drifter who survived doing odd jobs on farms and such, lived mostly off the grid and came into contact with few people which contributed to him never being found.

Its sad, tragic, and sucks big balls but it happens. He'll get his someday, if the law doesn't get him God will.
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I don't believe this for one moment. It just reeks of the usual ridiculous theories that come out when people get desperate to find a resolution to a case that sadly may not be solvable.
Except the fact that police have not been able to refute the claim.
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Except the fact that police have not been able to refute the claim.
I read the article, and I have to admit it sounds more plausible than I thought.

Still a long way from convinced its true though. This guys just didn't sound like someone engaged in some sort of professional mob like kidnapping, more like a dirty old perv who saw a sick opportunity.
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I read the article, and I have to admit it sounds more plausible than I thought.

Still a long way from convinced its true though. This guys just didn't sound like someone engaged in some sort of professional mob like kidnapping, more like a dirty old perv who saw a sick opportunity.
If the physical description Rob gave police is indeed true. Not all professional killers are the typical cleanly-dressed.
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