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Old 03-04-2021, 12:05 PM   #16
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There is a lot of evidence on the web that points to recovery of human remains from a fire to be difficult and sometimes impossible due to the intensity of the fire.

I remember on Forensic Files, the episode of the horrific multi vehicle wreck on I-75 near the Bowater paper mill in the 70s. One man said that his wife’s body was completely incinerated. There was nothing left, so they took some ashes from where she would’ve been and hoped they had a part of her remains to scatter.

I realize this was a vehicle wreck, but I used it as comparison because it was a hot fire that consumed everything.
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I tend to agree as well that this kids were incinerated in the fire. For one, no real sightings of them have happened. Two, I don't think it was mentioned in the podcast but I read online, the grandparents were hoarders...hence why the grandfather had all those propane tanks down in the basement. That provides a lot of fuel to the fire.
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It cracks me up that people with no fire experience think they know better than fire professionals.
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Such an odd case and very reminiscent of the Sodder children disappearance from 1945. I've always believed the Sodder children were killed in the fire and their remains were simply not recovered, but obviously, forensics have advanced so much since then. I could believe that the remains of Chloe and Gage were completely incinerated, but I do find it very odd that they would find remains from the family's pets, including a bird, but nothing from the children.
Perhaps a family member or someone close took the children where they could be, at least in their mind, more properly cared for, and the grandparents were collateral damage. They could have also went in to steal and didn't have the heart to kill the grandparents and took them far away enough to be away from local media.

Of course, with all the fuel, it is possible that the kids were incinerated, but they found the pets and the adults. Maybe the kids were killed elsewhere.

I'm not sure we'll ever really know what happened.
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According to fire experts (not armchair detectives), their bodies would not have been 100% incinerated. If you don’t believe them, feel free to crack open grandma’s urn on the mantle and check for yourself, folks.
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The fire experts don’t believe that a body can be fully incinerated. Why don’t you believe them? I don’t think “the most logical answer” is that their bodies burned when it contradicts the experience of experts in this field. It also doesn’t explain the sightings of the children.
It can happen.. Look at 9/11. But.. There's a HUGE difference between 9/11 and a house fire.

For a simple housefire, regardless of oxygen, combustibles, accelerants... To get hot enough to destroy a body.. That's a reach.

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According to fire experts (not armchair detectives), their bodies would not have been 100% incinerated. If you don’t believe them, feel free to crack open grandma’s urn on the mantle and check for yourself, folks.
I agree.. However, what you don't mention.. If you crack open that urn, what you see there has gone through a grinding/pulverization to get it to that level.

Cremation gets rid of alot, but.. Things like the femur and skull are really, really hard to destroy.

But.. What was the other case where the fire department went through and then the father found his daughter the next day? The one where the son basically shot her and set the house on fire?



Anyway, if you assume the kids didn't die in the fire.. Where are they? Not impossible to coerce kids that young into 'forgetting'.. One that you wonder if someday a DNA match happens.
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