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Old 06-16-2016, 02:11 PM   #256
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CNN is working on a six part series on the EAR/ONS. About time.
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Old 06-16-2016, 10:05 PM   #257
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I still have the Cold Case Files documentary about the Original Night Stalker. Manuela Witthuhn's husband David once discussed his wife's murder on the Websleuth forum. Some of the forumers were rude to him and he stopped posting there. He died in 2008. Poor guy had heart problems his whole life and was in the hospital for a heart attack or stroke I believe when Manuela was killed. David felt terrible that he wasn't there to protect her and that weighed on him for the next 27 years until his death. I also believe that Keith Harrington's brother, who lobbied for the act that allowed California death row inmates to submit DNA for testing against unsolved crimes, has also since passed away. I haven't heard much else from the families of the ONS murder victims, as I am sure they're still in shock over this. I am curious to see this CNN series in the ONS.
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I wonder what the people here think about those who blamed AC/DC, saying "They inspired Richard Ramirez to go on a killing spree"?

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I wonder what the people here think about those who blamed AC/DC, saying "They inspired Richard Ramirez to go on a killing spree"?
That's the first I've heard of this accusation, but let's not instigate anything.
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The FBI info release a couple of days ago included a $50,000 reward and added the Maggiores as official victims of EAR. I've always believed that was true.

They also showed a couple of ski masks that were apparently left by EAR at crime scenes or nearby. That's the first I've heard of that. I assumed everything was based on victim description, not items in custody. One of the masks was obviously altered in homemade fashion.

There was also a new sketch, but without detail regarding a source or time frame. It has dark deep set eyes.

The EAR sketches share a typical flaw, IMO. They are overly pretty. True crime shows invariably feature actors and actresses who are far more attractive than the person they are portraying. That's logical. The talent pool is heavily weighted toward appearance. To lesser extent, sketch artists and perhaps the person describing the perpetrator generally err toward benefit of a doubt. Flaws are either missing or understated, in favor of classic features. Like most examples, I would amend the EAR sketches at least 20 or 25% toward normal or even rough and unpleasant. Give him some bumps and edges. Dull the eyes. Slant some things. Via sheer probability that's going to be more accurate than a model depiction.

There were early EAR events in which his eyes, nose and mouth were visible due to one oval cutout on the mask. I would use those versions as most reliable, the base. Then fill in the other features using eyewitness events like the Maggiore observers, while prioritizing any witness version that jived with the eyes-nose-mouth combo from the early scenes.

Parting the hair on the right was far less common for a man than on the left. That was true in the late '70s and holds true today, for those who use a part. I remember it well because my natural part is on the right but for a while in the late '70s I tried to use the left, merely to pathetically conform. I got occasional comments and stares when I used the right but nobody said anything when I applied the standard left part. Finally I wised up and switched to the natural right side and left it there in the early '80s.

I mention this because there are several sketches and witness reports of EAR parting on the right. Since it was the minority position it was likely to be true, his default. I would allow more weight to those versions. Anyone depicting a left side part was possibly defaulting to normalcy, as much or more than describing what they actually saw.

Obviously EAR could have switched sides occasionally or frequently, even to throw off witnesses. I still like that right side. And longer hair than most sketches have offered. This was the late '70s, after all.

I have no idea how the FBI can restrict likely age to someone who would be 60 to 75 years old today. My preferred bracket has always been the extreme low end, someone who was born in 1957 to 1959, or a few years lower than the FBI allows. In listening to so many FBI agents discussing other cases over the decades, and their brutal application of variables and probability, nobody should place any weight on 60-75 as absolute. They don't know anything special. It's glorified guesswork, same as the rest of us.
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FYI all – 48 Hours (CBS) will be covering EAR/ONS/GSK on April 22nd, 2017. The episode will feature interviews with Patton Oswalt and also focus on the work Michelle McNamara had been doing writing her book on the case. I also noted a quick glimpse of Janelle Cruz's sister.

Better late than never getting more exposure on this nightmare fuel of a case.
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FYI all 48 Hours (CBS) will be covering EAR/ONS/GSK on April 22nd, 2017. The episode will feature interviews with Patton Oswalt and also focus on the work Michelle McNamara had been doing writing her book on the case. I also noted a quick glimpse of Janelle Cruz's sister.

Better late than never getting more exposure on this nightmare fuel of a case.

Thanks for the heads up. Are 48 hour episodes available to view online? I'm outside the US. Thanks.
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I am still fascinated by this case and hope that the man will still be caught, or at least identified (if he's dead). California had the worst when it came to serial killers, with the Zodiac killer in the 1960s and then the Original Night Stalker from 1976-1986. Would be great to know who both are and for closure for the victim's families.
they had Charles Manson also.

the westcoast in general had quite a few....must have been something in the water.
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Thanks for the heads up. Are 48 hour episodes available to view online? I'm outside the US. Thanks.
Should be. http://www.cbsnews.com/48-hours/

The most recent half dozen or so episodes are playable (within the U.S., for sure) with commercials.
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they had Charles Manson also.

the westcoast in general had quite a few....must have been something in the water.
Charles Manson was not a serial killer. He was not convicted of he himself actually murdering someone. I don't know why so many people assume Manson was a serial killer
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FYI all 48 Hours (CBS) will be covering EAR/ONS/GSK on April 22nd, 2017. The episode will feature interviews with Patton Oswalt and also focus on the work Michelle McNamara had been doing writing her book on the case. I also noted a quick glimpse of Janelle Cruz's sister.

Better late than never getting more exposure on this nightmare fuel of a case.
Last June when the FBI held a high profile press conference and pushed this case, several networks took note and planned very ambitious programming. There were reports of a 6 part series on CNN, a Paula Zahn episode or two, along with 48 Hours and potentially others. Several victims of the relatives have come forward and made themselves available in an attempt to catch this guy. They were interviewed and filmed.

However, after sampling a couple of the major EAR ONS forums in recent days, apparently the interest level faded within those networks and not all of those projects will air.

I'm not overly surprised. What can you say about that guy? Unlike Zodiac there are no ciphers or letters or unique variance from one crime to the next, like the hood. EAR ONS was gruff, not clever. His signature was volume.

I'm astonished at the dedication of the online pursuers. Seemingly thousands and thousands of angles have been undertaken, and one desperate attempt after another to identify a person of interest. If you don't have a history of probing at least 5 EAR ONS persons of interest I don't think you are allowed to register on those forums.

Maybe a handful of those angles have been worthwhile, the proper track. That's sheer probability. We may never know which ones. I doubt this case will ever be solved by investigators, either public or official. If he is identified I believe it will only if someone has knowledge and eventually comes forward, like a wife/girlfriend/relative, or if there is an accidental DNA match, either direct or familial.

I posted on the A&E EAR ONS forum for many months about a decade ago, solely because jjmcgr was sidetracking the board with a copycat EAR A and EAR B theory. Now, I liked and respected jjmcgr. I liked and respected him even more when he later posted here and had sharp opinions and posts on multiple cases. But that copycat theory was simply low percentage and obviously I don't enjoy that type of thing. He was basing the copycat idea on varying information from crime to crime within the police reports. Well naturally they will vary. Those reports won't be compiled or written by the same person every time. The competence level will vary, the attention to detail will vary, the vocabulary will vary, and so forth. That's true of the officers and detectives involved as well as the people in the office who may play a role. Besides, the victims will vary also and how they react to a crime like that. You can't expect every case or crime scene to unfold identically or as the perpetrator planned. Copycat is a weakling theory, far more often than not. Whenever I see an authority figure propose it on one of these true crime shows I conclude he shouldn't be in that job. As always, there are occasional outliers that are more waste of time than interesting or valid.

I'll stick with my 3 big picture conclusions:

* He was very young at debut and during the peak of his spree. Simply too much running and vaulting and physical exertion/skill to suggest otherwise. This is a heated debate on related forums. People who prefer older apply the adjustment, as in, "Sure I realize most people who could run around like that would be young, but he could have been a skilled athlete and kept in shape. He had to be older to acquire enough knowledge..." Blah blah blah. If you rely on adjustments then suddenly everything is an adjustment and you lose track of how absurd it is and where the balance bar is. Much more likely than not he was able to dash around like a very young man because he was a very young man.

* He was not military. I have no idea why so many posters love to assume EAR was military. He made a few comments to victims. He eluded capture. Sacramento is more of a military town than most. Big deal. None of that comes close to reaching the burden of likely being in the military at any point.

* The Maggiore killings were indeed committed by EAR. Again, fairly basic. The tied shoelaces dropped nearby the scene more than overcome the burden. Otherwise we've got somebody else in the time frame carrying around suspicious shoelaces and successfully fleeing into the Sacramento night. The early preferred theory about connection to Maher means nothing.

Oh, I almost forgot...that shoelace could source from a copycat, or someone from Maher attempting to make it look like EAR...
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I pretty much concur with everyone you said, Awsi. Back in the day I took a look at some of those boards and I just didnt have enough time to devote to try and be an active member. I remember thinking to myself, good god these people are dedicated and have absolutely no life outside the EAR ONS case.

Its my opinion that he is far and away the most prolific rapist and serial killer america as ever seen. I have nothing to base this on evidence wise, but its my opinion that he moved out of California and kept on raping and murdering. He just changed up his MO here and there. Where he is today, if hes even alive is anyones guess
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FYI all 48 Hours (CBS) will be covering EAR/ONS/GSK on April 22nd, 2017. The episode will feature interviews with Patton Oswalt and also focus on the work Michelle McNamara had been doing writing her book on the case. I also noted a quick glimpse of Janelle Cruz's sister.

Better late than never getting more exposure on this nightmare fuel of a case.
Thanks for the heads-up! I will be busy all weekend but I will definitely make sure to DVR it. I probably wouldn't even have found out about it not for this group.
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My DVR does not indicate such a topic exists
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https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/sneak...-state-killer/

There's actually a preview of the episode listed on the 48 Hours site. 10 PM EST, April 22nd.

Looks like CBS posted the same preview on YT:

Sneak peek: The Golden State Killer

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