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Old 11-21-2011, 10:18 PM   #121
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To me, it definetly seems as if Chaim was the target. I do not think he was a random target and whoever did this wanted him dead and was going to make sure of it. I wonder if the killer tried to move his body, then either discovered he was incapable, or heard a noise and ran off. I also wonder the reason...what could he have had done that made someone so angry they wanted him dead? Maybe the killer had something against his family?
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Has this been confirmed by a news source that Chaim was stabbed multiple times? I find it odd that UM would omit this tidbit.
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That is a pretty damn interesting theory, and one that (of all of the ones presented in this thread) that would seem to make the most sense. I can see a Polish immigrant with a temper lashing out quicker than a Yeshiva student.
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Yeah that makes sense. Reading RZ's post gave me goosebumps, because it is the most believable theory I've heard so far. I could definetly see a teenage boy taunting the janitor, boys did it all the time at my school! But to think that he was killed over a few (or even one) harsh words saddens me even more.
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best theory presented so far of what happened
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Thanks for posting, RebZissel.

The Chaim Weiss case is very tragic and has frustrated us for many years. The theory that you presented sounds very plausible.

For what it's worth, I always figured this had to be a rage killing and the motive was likely personal because of the overkill. I think the overkill could also be indicative of an inexperienced offender. Possibly with some degree of mental illness too, since he obviously took a great risk of doing this in the dormitory where he could be easily caught or witnessed.

The janitor theory fits all of the above variables. It also explains why everyone in the school, rabbis and students, passed polygraphs and the killer wasn't found among them, YET had a knowledge of the layout of the yeshiva, as he was a former employee.
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Thanks a lot for posting, RebZissel, and sharing your insight, as this has always been one of the most baffling UM cases for me, but that was one very solid theory you presented which I'd never heard before and makes an awful lot of logical sense.

The only sad part is that this janitor may no longer still be alive to face justice for this crime and provide closure for Chaim's family, and even if he is, he'd probably be very difficult to track down, especially if he went back to Poland.
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I find it odd (not to mention extremely stupid) that LE did not check into everyone who was present (or formerly employed at the Yeshiva) on the night Chaim was killed.
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I find it odd (not to mention extremely stupid) that LE did not check into everyone who was present (or formerly employed at the Yeshiva) on the night Chaim was killed.
I find it odd too. Or maybe they did and did not find anything. Seems like UM left out a lot of details, so its possible they checked and had nothing to investigate further
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rz - thank you for an excellent post.
I just learned about this case, and it is baffling!

Your theory is the best I have heard.
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Does indeed make a lot more sense than many of the other theories I have heard on here, chief among them someone being jealous of Chaim for having his own room, or some sort of crime of passion stemming from a homosexual involvement with another student. Those things are huge reaches from the information we have.

However, I am a little at a loss to know why a Yeshiva would hire a known Anti Semite to work in a Jewish school.
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Does indeed make a lot more sense than many of the other theories I have heard on here, chief among them someone being jealous of Chaim for having his own room, or some sort of crime of passion stemming from a homosexual involvement with another student. Those things are huge reaches from the information we have.

However, I am a little at a loss to know why a Yeshiva would hire a known Anti Semite to work in a Jewish school.
Maybe he was desperate for a job, and the yeshiva did not know about his views...
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I'm guessing the immigrants were hired because they worked cheap, and if they couldn't speak a lick of English, how would anyone know their anti-Semitic views?
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Just watched this segment for this first time in a very long time as I barely remembered it. I have no clue what happened to Chaim Weiss and most of anything I could come up would be pure speculation.

One weird thing to me, was what is so "weird" about a Jewish boy sitting on the bench the next morning? I get that it was a private school and those kids weren't supposed to leave, but come on, kids leave school all the time when they aren't supposed to.
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One weird thing to me, was what is so "weird" about a Jewish boy sitting on the bench the next morning? I get that it was a private school and those kids weren't supposed to leave, but come on, kids leave school all the time when they aren't supposed to.
I assume it was included to add that "mystique" to the segment, since there was apparently nothing to go on.
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