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Old 02-07-2011, 03:07 AM   #91
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It's hard to believe anyone from the outside could have gained access to the building. The window led to the other buildings maybe there was a walkway down to the street. It seems like there wasn't another bed in Chaim's room for anticipation of another roomate. The lack of communication which stems from the religion itself was a perfect cover for one of the students or rabbis if they did indeed cause the murder.
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It's hard to believe anyone from the outside could have gained access to the building. The window led to the other buildings maybe there was a walkway down to the street. It seems like there wasn't another bed in Chaim's room for anticipation of another roomate. The lack of communication which stems from the religion itself was a perfect cover for one of the students or rabbis if they did indeed cause the murder.
thats what I thought to. but if you will read back through the thread, a gentleman who actually attended the school said that there was a door with a broken lock in one part of the building and it opened on a staircase which led straight up to Chaim's room.

So its certainly possible someone could have come in, although it would still have been a bold and brazen thing to sneak in to a building where a good number of other people were, kill someone, and then sneak out.

I'm still leaning towards it being an inside job.
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thats what I thought to. but if you will read back through the thread, a gentleman who actually attended the school said that there was a door with a broken lock in one part of the building and it opened on a staircase which led straight up to Chaim's room.

So its certainly possible someone could have come in, although it would still have been a bold and brazen thing to sneak in to a building where a good number of other people were, kill someone, and then sneak out.

I'm still leaning towards it being an inside job.
The method of death would seem to indicate an inside job, but has there ever really been a plausible motive presented as to why someone would want Chaim dead?

In an earlier thread, I brought up a possible anti-semitic motivated crime. I think I should clarify that a little bit. I don't think an intruder broke in with the intention of killing anyone. Like others have stated, if this were the work of a anti-semitic nut it would be more likely that this person would be there to deface/destroy property or set a fire instead of murdering a student. However, the way Chaim was killed (a single blow to the head) seems to indicate that this wasn't a crime of passion type killing, and that whoever hit him seemed like they intended to subdue or knock him unconcious. I'm only speculating here, but let's say there was one or two anti-semites who broke in to deface property, or do some other unknown devious act but where interrupted by Chaim? It seems like the person/s didn't know the layout of the building all too well, since the one dorm room was opened and then quickly shut. So what if Chaim surprised them by coming out of his room, and then he was struck in a panic, to which the killer/s then fled. In the UM segment it was stated that Chaim appeared to have been killed while he was sleeping, and then his body was moved. IMO it would be just as likely that he was awakened by something, and when he opened his door he was struck and fell to the floor, his body never being moved. I wonder how LE came to suspect that he was killed in the bed, and then his body moved twice? That doesn't really make any sense at all.

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It was pretty clear that Chaim was killed in his sleep. He was stabbed through the head, while he was lying in his bed on his side, with his back to the door. He was also dragged halfway off the bed.

I believe, he was also stabbed more than once.
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It was pretty clear that Chaim was killed in his sleep. He was stabbed through the head, while he was lying in his bed on his side, with his back to the door. He was also dragged halfway off the bed.

I believe, he was also stabbed more than once.
UM stated he was killed by a single blow to his head that severed his spinal column.
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This story has driven me nuts for years. It will never completely leave me, even if the truth ever comes out. Does anyone know anythng about his family in the years since the murder?
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One aspect of the case that hasn't been discussed much in this thread is the jogger seeing what he believed to be a yeshiva student a few blocks from the school at about 7 AM, right before Chaim's body was discovered. The shot in the re-enactment of the boy sitting on the bench looking on the water is one those weird UM moments that gives me chills for reasons I can't understand.

I'd like to think that if the investigation was thorough, they would have been able to determine if that was one of the students from the school. I'm really curious if there were any other yeshivas in the vicinity. Even if that boy wasn't from the Long Beach yeshiva, it just seems strange that a yeshiva student would even be in that particular location that early in the morning. Given that the murder took place on Halloween night, I've pondered the possibility that Chaim's death could have been a prank or stunt from a rival yeshiva that went horribly wrong. Granted, I don't picture the yeshiva culture being like a college fraternity where students from rival schools play stupid pranks on one another. But even if they have been raised within a very strict culture, teenage boys are still immature and are capable of doing immature things that violate the rules.

And while a student from another school may not have lived in that particular yeshiva's dorm, he may have known enough about the layout of yeshiva dorms in general (or even visited the Long Island yeshiva on occasion) to get inside and move around without being noticed. If this wasn't a prank, maybe this student had an encounter with Chaim at some social function that made him angry enough to kill him, but since the two of them had limited social interaction, no one would have ever looked at this other student as a suspect.

Of course, the jogger could simply be mistaken. If the re-enactment was accurate, it doesn't seem he would have gotten a good enough look at the boy to conclusively determine that he was a yeshiva student.

One thing I've always been curious about is if any of the other students who went to that Long Beach yeshiva went on to have troubles with the law as they grew older. It's hard enough to believe that a young student could be responsible for the murder and get away with it nearly 25 years, but it's even harder to believe that would be their one and only crime.

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Of course, the jogger could simply be mistaken. If the re-enactment was accurate, it doesn't seem he would have gotten a good enough look at the boy to conclusively determine that he was a yeshiva student.
I've always assumed the jogger was mistaken. We've always talked about how much UM tries to pad the segments to make them more mysterious, and I think this is a perfect example of them trying to "grasp at straws". The boy could have simply been a Jewish boy who wasn't a student, and the jogger could have easily gotten his dates wrong. But if the jogger's account is accurate, and this boy was a member of Chaim's school and was possibly involved in his death, just what exactly was he doing sitting on a bench that early in the morning? Wouldn't it cast a boatload of suspicion on him if he was missing from the school the same morning that Chaim was found? And wouldn't he be more safe just staying at the school? I honestly think the jogger's account (if accurate) was nothing more than an odd coincidence.
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I tend to lean towards the murder being sexually motivated. Maybe Chaim and another boy were supposed to meet up to experiment, or had done so previously. There could have been feelings of guilt or disinterest in continuing the relationship. Think about it--these kids were ultrareligious, and homosexuality is frowned upon in that denomination.There is also the possibility of Chaim being killed for some sort of shady business his parents were involved in.

OR perhaps someone was trying to steal something and was caught in the act.

In any case, what a sad story, and what a waste of a young and promising life!
Homosexuality is frowned on in all Judeo-Christian denominations.

Several people have suggested this, and I think its something you really shouldn't throw out there without more evidence. As far as i can tell there is nothing in this story to indicate that.

Despite the media frenzy nowadays, I believe boys that age experimenting with homosexuality, especially in environment like that, is relatively rare.

We simply don't know enough to make a conclusion like that IMHO.
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I tend to lean towards the murder being sexually motivated. Maybe Chaim and another boy were supposed to meet up to experiment, or had done so previously. There could have been feelings of guilt or disinterest in continuing the relationship. Think about it--these kids were ultrareligious, and homosexuality is frowned upon in that denomination.

There is also the possibility of Chaim being killed for some sort of shady business his parents were involved in.

OR perhaps someone was trying to steal something and was caught in the act.

In any case, what a sad story, and what a waste of a young and promising life!
Sorry but that is so far fetched it's ludicras, I tend to believe that it was an outsider or one of the fellow students who had a beef against him.
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i dont think the sexual thing is really that far fetched. Who knows really? I've had friends go to all boy catholic school and there is an element there. however, I will always believe that this was an inside job and not an intruder trying to steal or murder. why break into a school? maybe a former student maybe? but for sure not some random outsider IMO.
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I live in neighboring Oceanside NY and was 14 when this case occurred...I'b be interested to know the other similar attacks/deaths that occurred in the area similar to Chiam's...thank you
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Also, I can't believe there are no answers as of yet...In my high school years I hung out in Long beach often...I don't remember this story at all, I only heard about it on UM...I remember alot of other murders in this area....I remember my mom saying don't get in a van with anyone...that was a big thing back then...anyway....just can't help but think it could have been any teenager back then...having a teenager now myself
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It was pretty clear that Chaim was killed in his sleep. He was stabbed through the head, while he was lying in his bed on his side, with his back to the door. He was also dragged halfway off the bed.

I believe, he was also stabbed more than once.
I heard of this case, vagly when it took place.

It came up tonight, as one of the Deans of the school at the time, past away last week.

I'm just curious. How did ccmmze become privy to the above mentioned exact details he mentions? I would assume knowing an exact position of a murder victim, especially when he was found in a different position- is inside info. Can you supply any other info- or the sources at least?



As well, would it be at all possible for you to reach out to some of your fellow former schoolmates to join this conversation. For the sake of resolving this- perhaps, just perhaps- someone would be willing to mention something in this forum that would shed light.

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1) Somewhere above, someone mentioned that a Candle was found lit in a very specific place- not mentioned by any reports. How public was this knowledge - especially after the building was cordorned off.

2) In your conversation with the victim the night he was killed- you discussed the lack of police beeing out front.

From my own experience in Yeshivos, it would not be public knowledge that Police are watching- so as not to cause extra stress on students- worrying that Police is required. It would all be done very quietly.

Your conversation with the victim creates the real possibility that you both knew that their was supposed to be police watching the school.

WHY?

Please answer. - As well- I would like to contact you direct- as you left a very obvious clue to the Jewish mind, above, and I would think it best that if it stays there on your previous post, it should be clarified.
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