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Old 02-04-2019, 09:48 PM   #46
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Come on, at the time the show aired you had a racist white man on air making fun of all races on top of black people not really being seen on TV yet. So yes he criticized it at the time because it was NEW and DIFFERENT.

Just like now I have trouble in 2011 getting used to female characters on a sitcom talking dirty but once more shows start including this type of language It won't be a big deal anymore
Archie Bunker most certainly was not a racist. Ignorant, yes. A bigot, absolutely. But he was not a racist, not by a long shot.
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Well, AITF is one of those shows you either REALLY LOVE or REALLY HATE. And Lucy had a reputation as a prude, so I can she why SHE would hate hate hate it. But as much as I Lucille Ball (and I really do!) I completely disagree with her about AITF. AITF, like her iconic I Love Lucy, was #1 for years in a row. Only shows with a lot of depth, and/or awe-inspiring originality, can accomplish that!
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The two shows are totally different. Lucy's shows were more physical comedy and All in the Family was more dialog comedy. Also time of Archie was 20+ years later.
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The two shows are totally different. Lucy's shows were more physical comedy and All in the Family was more dialog comedy. Also time of Archie was 20+ years later.
Of course! Never said, or even meant to imply, the shows were IDENTICAL TWINS. Just that BOTH were ingenious and easily 25 years ahead of their time.

NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, could do physical comedy like Lucille Ball. And what a wonderful blueprint Desi’s business genius provided to those yet to come.

AITF turned TV on it’s head too-dismissing the tired pablum so typical of sitcoms of that era, and REALLY TAKING ON some of the most controversial topics of our time.

So, basically, what I was saying, is BOTH (IMO) were works of GENIUS!

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Of course! Never said, or even meant to imply, the shows were IDENTICAL TWINS. Just that BOTH were ingenious and easily 25 years ahead of their time. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, could do physical comedy like Lucille Ball. And what a wonderful blueprint Desiís business genius provided to those yet to come. AITF turned TV on itís head too-dismissing the tired pablum so typical of sitcoms of that era, and REALLy TAKING some of the most controversial topics of our time.

So, basically, what I was saying, is BOTH (IMO) were works of GENIUS!
I agree, both were great shows. Each show was just a part of a different era. It's too bad Lucille Ball couldn't give All in the Family a chance.
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I agree, both were great shows. Each show was just a part of a different era. It's too bad Lucille Ball couldn't give All in the Family a chance.
I TOTALLY agree! Meanwhile she went all gaga over Three’s Company, which was kinda odd. Threes Company is a nice enough show mind you, but NOWHERE’S in the league of ILL & AITF.
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To be fair to Lucile Ball, she made her comments based on the first episodes of AITF when Archie Bunker's character was still being formed and was much more brash and raw. And also, this was something completely new to television that was surely going to polarize and get vastly different opinions on.

We all know by now in hindsight how Archie evolved as the series progressed so we can't really bash Ball for hating the show based the first few episodes. For all we know, she could have changed her opinion later on...or perhaps not. But since her opinions are based on such very early episodes, I think we shouldn't be so hard on her for hating it at that time.
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To be fair to Lucile Ball, she made her comments based on the first episodes of AITF when Archie Bunker's character was still being formed and was much more brash and raw. And also, this was something completely new to television that was surely going to polarize and get vastly different opinions on.

We all know by now in hindsight how Archie evolved as the series progressed so we can't really bash Ball for hating the show based the first few episodes. For all we know, she could have changed her opinion later on...or perhaps not. But since her opinions are based on such very early episodes, I think we shouldn't be so hard on her for hating it at that time.
I donít hate her for it AT ALL. Thereís no law that everyone has to be in love with a show - even if most otherís do.
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I donít hate her for it AT ALL. Thereís no law that everyone has to be in love with a show - even if most otherís do.
I hope many feel the same way as you. Lucy came from an era when you entertained without injecting politics into stories and I can see how that would be shocking in the early 70's to see on TV, so I don't hold it against her if she despised the show.
She had a completely different way of entertaining and I think we desperately need performers like her in today's era where it seems everything on TV is politicized to death...and why I only tune into classic channels.
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I hope many feel the same way as you. Lucy came from an era when you entertained without injecting politics into stories and I can see how that would be shocking in the early 70's to see on TV, so I don't hold it against her if she despised the show.
She had a completely different way of entertaining and I think we desperately need performers like her in today's era where it seems everything on TV is politicized to death...and why I only tune into classic channels.


I agree!

And I can see where Lucy was coming from!! She came from the old school era of good old fashioned wholesome TV shows and lighthearted, slapstick humor! I could see where AITF would seem shocking and offensive !!
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I agree!

And I can see where Lucy was coming from!! She came from the old school era of good old fashioned wholesome TV shows and lighthearted, slapstick humor! I could see where AITF would seem shocking and offensive !!
Wonder how she felt about the Honeymooners
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Wonder how she felt about the Honeymooners

She was probably glad she was married to Ricky and not fat, loudmouth, cheapskate Ralph!
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She was probably glad she was married to Ricky and not fat, loudmouth, cheapskate Ralph!
Meaning the quality of the show since the husband was always threatening to hit his wife and yelling. Plus Archie was also insulting his wife so she should have criticized the honeymooners too lol
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Meaning the quality of the show since the husband was always threatening to hit his wife and yelling. Plus Archie was also insulting his wife so she should have criticized the honeymooners too lol
Actually it was inferred that Ricky hit Lucy when she was bad. I recall scenes where Ricky implied she was in for physical punishment from him and she reacted terrified. I wish I could pinpoint the exact scene now! Hopefully a hardcore Lucy fan can remember for me.

Also, there was the "Fashion Show" episode where Lucy says "I'm gonna get tan until I turn red....Ricky wouldn't dare hit me in that condition."

And I remember a scene where Ricky actually spanked her on camera too. But it was the 50's and acceptable then for husbands to keep their little wives in line that way which seems medieval and archaic by today's standards.
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I hope many feel the same way as you. Lucy came from an era when you entertained without injecting politics into stories and I can see how that would be shocking in the early 70's to see on TV, so I don't hold it against her if she despised the show.
She had a completely different way of entertaining and I think we desperately need performers like her in today's era where it seems everything on TV is politicized to death...and why I only tune into classic channels.
She certainly showed you can be utterly brilliant without introducing politics or controversial topics, although it’s certainly no crime if you do. But for any show to work, it must have brilliant writing, which AITF surely had. Without great writing, AITF would have fallen flat on its face.

Lucy was a genius at comedy-no question about that. And there IS ALWAYS a place for her level of entertainment. Really, one of the hallmarks of a “classic” is to be able to withstand the test of time. ILL certainly does that-still brilliant entertainment nearly 70 years later. Sadly, I can’t think of anyone today of Lucy’s caliber for comedy; Lucy was one in a million-God Bless her.
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