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Old 08-31-2009, 02:29 PM   #16
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There are lots of absurd defenses that involve self amusement aren't there? Let's not forget Michael Skakel's "I was busy in a tree" comments.
LOL. So true. I always loved that excuse...
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:52 PM   #17
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I would give anything to slug Edward Harold Bell's fat face.
I usually say "Hey, what about two sides to every story?" but I whole-heartedly agree. I was glad when the sister started to beat him up in the police car and when the lady whose house he broke into kicked his butt. An accident? What a crock. I was always glad that his gun jammed later so he couldn't hurt anyone else. Hopefully he DIDN'T hurt anyone else while on the run.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:18 PM   #18
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Larry was my brother...I was there. I saw it all. It was no accident.
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Hi Dawna!

Yep, we're on your side. We definitely do not believe it was self defense, an accident, or any other excuse this deviant murderer tries to come up with.

Kadrmas, maybe you can help me out with a legal question. These laws change so often, I can't keep up.

Would the fact that Bell broke into a woman's home, obviously there will some kind of ill intent in that, then sexual exposed himself to children, before killing Larry, and then fleeing the country!!!!! Count as the special circumstances necessary in TX to make a murder into a DP case?

Seems like I read that TX will push for capital punishment only if the act was committed during another felony, ie: bank robber (felony) kills bank teller (now it can be tried as a DP case.)

Am I confused, misinformed, or have the laws changed over the years so that I just don't know what I'm talking about.
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Larry was my brother...I was there. I saw it all. It was no accident.
Dawna, I also want to say how sorry I am about what happened to your family. As we saw Larry portrayed, he seemed like a smart, generous, man who cared about and was close to his family.

One thing you'll definitely find on this message board is comments expressing compassion for the victims and a genuine desire to see their assailants pay their penance for the crimes they've committed, whether it be death, true life without parole, etc.
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Tracy, to answer your question, it would not turn Bell's case into a Capital Murder or death penalty eligible case under Texas law, at least not under 1978 Texas law which were the laws Bell was tried under.

To clarify, Bell was never charged with Capital Murder,as under 1978 law at least he was not eligible for it and since the murder occurred in 1978 he had to be charged with what the law was at the time. So thus he was charged with 'murder' which would be the same as second degree murder in most states. Under the 'murder' statute in Texas, even back then, like now, Bell could have been sentenced from anywhere from probation to up to 99 years in prison.

The entire Capital Murder statute is as follows and this is actually expanded from what it was before the mid 90's although surprisingly by Texas standards the standard is still overall rather narrow which crimes are actually eligible: § 19.03. CAPITAL MURDER. (a) A person commits an offense
if the person commits murder as defined under Section 19.02(b)(1)
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(1) the person murders a peace officer or fireman who
is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the
person knows is a peace officer or fireman;
(2) the person intentionally commits the murder in the
course of committing or attempting to commit kidnapping, burglary,
robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or
retaliation, or terroristic threat under Section 22.07(a)(1), (3),
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(4) the person commits the murder while escaping or
attempting to escape from a penal institution;
(5) the person, while incarcerated in a penal
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(A) who is employed in the operation of the penal
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(B) with the intent to establish, maintain, or
participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination;
(6) the person:
(A) while incarcerated for an offense under this
section or Section 19.02, murders another; or
(B) while serving a sentence of life imprisonment
or a term of 99 years for an offense under Section 20.04, 22.021, or
29.03, murders another;
(7) the person murders more than one person:
(A) during the same criminal transaction; or
(B) during different criminal transactions but
the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of
conduct;
(8) the person murders an individual under six years
of age; or
(9) the person murders another person in retaliation
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So basically no, as under Texas law, Bell jerking off in front of kids, as vile as that is, under Texas law at that time was probably a misdemeanor or if it was a felony it would be a low level one. So in that regard no.

I suppose it could be considered that he burglarized Larry's mother's house by going into the garage when he was not supposed to be in there, did not have permission to be in there and was in there for the sole purpose of murdering Larry. However where the issue from a legal standpoint gets dicey is that the garage was open. Had Larry ran back into the house and had Bell chased him in there that would have been a clear cut burglary in the legal sense, but because the garage door was open, and since the incident evidently started outside, it was only misdemeanor trespassing.

Pasadena, Texas where this murder happened is located in Harris County, Texas the death penalty capitol of the United States. So I think that if they could find anyone to charge Bell with capital murder they would. So it tells me their hands were tied.

Bell did get 70 years, which in Texas, the jury not the judge gives the sentence, at least in murder cases anyway. 70 years is more than average. But here is another stumbling block. If Bell were sentenced now, like let's say he did the crime now and got 70 years, under Texas law from 1996 onward, he would have had to serve 35 years before he was even eligible for parole and under current law, it is possible he could be made to serve the full 70 years, basically meaning he would get a life sentence if that were to happen. However under 1978 law and this law did not change until 1996, was that anyone sentenced to anything less than death or life was under mandatory supervision, meaning after a certain period of time, their release was mandatory.

Under the old law, even though Bell was sentenced to 70 years, it is not really 70 years or anything close. Bell becomes eligible for parole in 2013 after having served 20 years and his mandatory release date will be in 2023, after having served 30 years. Typically under the old law, release was mandatory if an inmate had served roughly 40 percent of their sentence.
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Thanks so much for providing all that info, Kadrmas. Lots of stuff there I didn't know...
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Nice try Mr. Bell, there is NO doubt in my mind that he didnt do this by accident. Now i dont think this murder was planned, BUT it was NO accident. What happend was Larry caught him doing a crime, Larry confronted him and took his keys and Bell shot him to get his keys back then shot him again to send a message to him.
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Yeah, and I'm Jesus Christ too. Sure. Whatever. That sick bastard shouldn't even be allowed to talk. He was one of the worst ever profiled on UM and what he says should have zero relevance.

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Edward Harold Bell is undoubtedly one of the biggest pieces of garbage ever profiled on UM.

However, Larry should have handled things a little smarter and given the keys up sooner. Some things you just got to leave to the cops, particularly when the other guy has a gun and you don't. If Bell didn't have a gun it would have been different.

This young man should have realized this lowlife wasn't worth dying over.
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BS to anyone who says it was an accident or that he didn't deserve the death penalty. Even if the initial act was not premeditated, certainly going back to his car and getting another gun, then going back into the garage to shoot Larry was close enough to premeditated.

Why is it that if someone breaks into your house and you shoot them and they are only wounded, they can press charges against you. yet this guy opens fire on an innocent guy in his driveway and people keep saying he shouldn't get the death penalty? Come on.

If he was so scared and shot him and then ran off, I could see a good lawyer making that work, but come on. They are wasting time and money on this over grown waste of a fetus. Normally I am all for reasonable doubt, but this guy is an exception. They have multiple witnesses here and lets not forget that he also attempted to open fire on the police. He likely would have killed that bike cop if his rifle hadn't jammed.

Texas dropped the ball on this case. To make it right they should lock this guy up in the general area of the prison he is in. Tell the other inmates he is a child molester. They'll take care of him and it won't cost the state a thing except for the couple of days worth of meals they have to feed him until the inmates get him.
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Well, I think you misinterpreted what was said. Under the law, what he did was not death penalty eligible at least under Texas law, both then and now. Personally I think all this overblown emotion on someone like Edward Harold Bell just feeds into Bell's already massive ego.
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And P.S. Larry is a Hero for standing up to this guy. Although I do agree giving up the keys sooner would have obviously been smarter. But if everyone always acted smart, we wouldn't have any heroes.
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Also Bell was never convicted of child molestation. He was accused of it yes, but never convicted, thus he would not be low on the prison totem pole. But in any event, the whole thing about child molesters being constant targets in prison is and of itself an overblown point. Most prisoners do not like child molesters no doubt, but then again, who does? Bell is currently in the Pack 1 Unit prison in Navasota, Texas, he is now 71 years old. Pack 1 is a medium security facility.
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