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Old 08-22-2004, 05:28 PM   #1
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I know it was over 8 years ago, but does anyone know who killed her? Everyone says it's her mother, and some people say it's her Dad. A very few people say it was probably her brother.
Who do you think killed her?
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Old 08-22-2004, 07:25 PM   #2
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I know it was over 8 years ago, but does anyone know who killed her? Everyone says it's her mother, and some people say it's her Dad. A very few people say it was probably her brother.
Who do you think killed her?
Only the killer him or herself knows for sure who did away with Jon Benet Ramsey. (Well, Jon Benet knows as well, but, of course, she can't tell us, since she is dead.)

I seriously don't believe that her brother was involved. But judging from what I have heard about the crime scene, it is difficult to believe that her killer could have been a total stranger. My general feeling is that she had to have been killed by someone known to the family.
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If you read Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, you will likely develop a strong opinion either way, on who you think did it. Let's put it this way: somebody INSIDE the home had to have done it. One of the strangest things that works against the couple is that their good friends from Newprt Beach, California ended the friendship right after the murders. Jon Benet's dad apparently said something to spook them. There are a lot of books out there but this one kept my attention and offered a lot of details/facts. ***The fact that it snowed the morning of her murder STINKS..it washed away any evidence there was or would have been outisde."
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I definetly think its either the mom or dad but thats only my opinion
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My personal belief too is that the parents did it and got away with it.
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Does anyone else think that parts of the Ramsey note carry eerie similarities to some movies? For example:

"If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies."

Sounds like Scorpio in "Dirty Harry" re: the Deacon girl.

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"Don't try to grow a brain John."

Sounds like Dennis Hopper's character talking to Keanu Reeves' character in "Speed".
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:23 AM   #8
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I have always felt that one of the family did it, or they had one of their friends in the house who did it.

I just cannot buy that such a wealthy individual would be happy to leave a broken window unfixed for such a long period, or that when you are making a 911 call you would tell your son it is none of his business- then say he was asleep while you were making the call, or that a mother frantic with worry would be worried about fixing her hair & make up for the police.

His finding the body by chance in a room the police had already checked & the moving it also has to be considered highly suspect, as does the lack of evidence of an intruder & the fact the note was written inside the house.

These child beauty pageants sicken me, my guess is either the dad or one of his buddies was into little girls & she was being abused with the knowledge of the mother, something went wrong- either this time she cried or started screaming, or the individual just lost contol & smothered her by accident, neighbours reported hearing a chilling scream at 2.00 am, yet the Ramsey's say they heard nothing.
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The abduction happened inside the house.

The murder happened inside the house

The materials for the garrotte came from inside the house

The material for the ransom note came from inside the house.

Everything in this case happens from inside the house.


This all points to the suspect being someone from in the house.

Pedophiles are creatures of opportunity. They usely don't brazenly break into peoples homes and kill and molest their victims inside the homes.

No kidnapper with half a brain, would write such a long ransom note, ask for so little money and then panick so much that he kills the victim he was ransoming in the first place.

It was either

1. One of the Ramsey Family did and the family covered up the murder to protect the family as a whole

2. Some business partner or employee of John Ramsey had a grudge against him and decided to get vengeance on him by killing his beauty pageant daughter.

3. Members of some organized crime that Jon Ramsey was involved with. Perhaps from Atlanta. Perhaps Johns fortune wasn't completely legitimate. Maybe loan sharks finally caught up with him.

4. A jealous lover of John Ramsey who was jilted.

I vote number 1 as the most probable.
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I completely disagree. DNA tests have cleared the family of any suspicion in Jon-Benet's death. They found some DNA on Jon-Benet's body that they have determined came from an unknown man. It is now believed that when the match for the unknown DNA is found, Jon-Benet's killer will also be found.

Also, are you guys forgetting about the window in the Ramsey's basement that was left open? Also, I believe investigators found part of a hiking shoe print on the floor... which came from a shoe that belonged to NO ONE in the Ramsey household. The belief is now that Jon-Benet happened upon someone while they were breaking into the house and the kidnapping/murder was totally spontaneous. While it's true that SOME of the material used in the kidnapping/murder were found in the home, not ALL of the stuff came from the home. The cord and the duct tape were not originally in the Ramsey home.

I think (obviously) that the police botched this investigation from the start. They put their suspicion TOTALLY on the Ramsey family, and in doing so, they let the real killer get away.

Sorry to get so passionate on the topic-- hope I haven't offended anyone. I used to believe that someone in the Ramsey household killed Jon-Benet, too. However, the recent DNA tests have changed my mind on the matter. I feel the Ramseys are innocent. It's a shame that Patsy Ramsey died before she was officially cleared. This family has suffered enough. I hope that someday, they'll find out who the actual culprit was. However, I strongly believe it was not anyone in the Ramsey house.

CNN recently did a story on Jon-Benet as part of Nancy Grace's Cold Cases, if you want to read where most of my information came from: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/23/...sey/index.html
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Yes the police did botch the case, however the scene was already compromised by the time they arrived, due to the Ramsey's inviting their friends over.

According to John Ramsey, the window was broken the summer before when he was locked out, does a very wealthy man just leave a window broken that would mean anybody could gain access to his house?

Whether they did it or not they have more knowledge than they ever let on, instead of helping the police they stonewalled & hindered them at every turn, instead playing to the media, rather than wanting to obtain justice for their child.
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Sorry to get so passionate on the topic-- hope I haven't offended anyone. I used to believe that someone in the Ramsey household killed Jon-Benet, too.
No problem. I understand your passion.

For the record,let it be said that i fully believe the McCann's are innocent in the Madeliene McCann case.

I also am on the fence about the Dowaliby case.

I just cannot see a plausible scenario in which an kidnapper or pedophile could have done this?

1. If it's a pedophile, this would have to be the most ambitious pedophile in the history of crime. Most pedophiles are creatures of opportunity like in the Nyleen Kay Marshall case. This guy apparently has the cahones to not only break into the house, but he kills her their and believes he has enough time to garrotte her and write a nearly 3 page ransom note. And he doesn;t even give himself time to enjoy his capture. He could of easily got her out of the house and brough her to a van or whereever so he could take his time and perform his awful atrocities.

2. If it's a kidnapper, i can;t imagine any criminal of an repute writting that ridiculous ransom note or asked for so little from the Ramseys. Plus as with the pedophile theory, he could have easily got out of the house and gotten his ransom rather than killing her and defeating the purpose of the kidnapping.

I'm sorry too much points to the family being involved. It's not like little Maddy's case where there was a moment of opportunity that any criminal could of taken advantage of.

The only way an intruder theory works is if Jon Benets killing was a vengeance killing against Jon. And that theory still leaves the question of why the killer used the materials in the house to write the Ransom note.

As for the DNA. There have been theories that Jon Benets panties were someone elses. Perhaps a panty swap as some littel girls are known to do. It has been believed that the panties were oversized for Jon Benet.

It';s also possible the DNA is from the original manufacturer of the undergarments.

The DNA is still in my opinion the only evidence of an outside party.

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I actually came into this case thinking the Ramsey's were completely innocent.

It was when i read the Ransom Note that I really started to look into the ramseys. The note is completely false and i don't see why anyone other than the Ramseys would think to write a fake ransom note.
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As far as I'm concerned, little details one way or another can't change the main fact that one of the parents did it. I believe the housekeeper's theory that John took some kind of sleeping aid and wouldn't have awakened if a cannon went off by his bed, leaving Patsy to deal with JonBenét, and she just snapped. She takes out resentments against John in the ransom note.

One of the rumors was that in the 911 call before Patsy hangs up John and Burke can be heard having the following conversation:

Burke: Please, what do I do?
John: We're not talking to you.
Burke: Well, what did you find?

Supposedly this has since been discounted. Burke possibly really was asleep. I don't know how they managed to clear Burke so quickly. It's also hard to see how Burke doesn't know more than he has told, but I suppose it's possible. (He is either in college or just graduated. Someone needs to befriend him, get him drunk, and pump him for info, seriously.)

The stranger shoe print came from someone in the Police Department. They probably know who and just aren't admitting it.

As for the DNA on the underwear, it's a misleading bunch of nonsense. Supposedly there was fluid DNA on the panties and touch DNA from the same individual on the long johns, which were together only on JonBenét's body and had to have come from a stranger (meaning none of the people tested, which amounted to about half the town of Boulder by the time the Ramseys got done accusing people.) I heard the story (which I've never seen confirmed; anyone care to investigate?) that the fluid DNA on the panties was the same as DNA found in unused panties in a package which was among evidence seized. This is known as the "Asian sneeze theory" and seems to have formed one of a number of incredibly lucky breaks for the guilty party (one of the Ramseys.) If the touch DNA existed at all, well, whoever left the fluid DNA also left skin flakes and a few transferred from the panties to the long johns at some point. Cross contamination happens all the time. So what? It doesn't make a murderer innocent. Supposedly the new DA is having another look at this.
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Supposedly this has since been discounted. Burke possibly really was asleep. I don't know how they managed to clear Burke so quickly. It's also hard to see how Burke doesn't know more than he has told, but I suppose it's possible. (He is either in college or just graduated. Someone needs to befriend him, get him drunk, and pump him for info, seriously.)
In a way, Burke might be the one who ultimately solves this case. Perhaps via confession or he may provide some info about that night that police have overlooked.

I used to think it was crazy that Burke could be responsible. But I've found out recently that brother-sister sexual abuse and violence is a lot more common than we think. It is not that far-fetched that Burke had killed his own sister out of sexual needs, jealousy or pure acccident.
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