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Old 02-15-2017, 11:32 PM   #136
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Remember that time cocytus got all up in the grill of one of the family members of the Liebling's crew after her very first post on the board? God that was embarrassing.
"Hey, poster [insert condescending dribble here]." What was up with that guy?!
I cringed every time I saw that avatar come up because I knew it was going to be a ridiculous and aggressive post.
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And for Pete's sake just stick around, dude. We're getting shirts made next week.
I only approve of this as long as I get one.
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Ooooh okay. I get it now. My apologizes, I didn't know you were referring to the prison comment when calling me a troll. Well, I thought (not having ruled it out) that it was foul play, but I have since believed that it was an accident. I guess you could say it was 'trollish', because while I do think he was lying, the prison comment was more in touch with "he should be jailed for lying about the deaths of those on the ship", so yeah it wasn't entirely serious, and a bit trollish.

Sorry about all of that, I thought you mean't when I said he was lying you were referring to me trolling, not the prison comment.
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Remember that time cocytus got all up in the grill of one of the family members of the Liebling's crew after her very first post on the board? God that was embarrassing.
Yea, I remember that. Geez. Cocytus had some good insight into some of the cases, but good Lord, if you disagreed with him....
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cocytus had two theories:

If you were a man who disappeared or wound up dead, you were cruising for gay sex. If you were a woman who disappeared or wound up dead, you were a prostitute looking to buy drugs.

Don't miss him at all.
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cocytus had two theories:

If you were a man who disappeared or wound up dead, you were cruising for gay sex. If you were a woman who disappeared or wound up dead, you were a prostitute looking to buy drugs.

Don't miss him at all.
Hey, be fair, cocytus also allowed the possibility the men could have been looking for drugs too. Or both drugs and gay sex.
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Am I the new cocytus?

The gay sex angle isn't bad.
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All right. We've all held hands and sang together....

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I think anything that spurs more discussion about these unsolved cases is a good thing.
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I think anything that spurs more discussion about these unsolved cases is a good thing.
One would think so.

However, this still doesn't make sense. Why would they drift that far out as opposed to staying close to the boat? I feel staying close to the boat would be better, as did Nathan (the hull), as you would have larger pieces to rest on. Apparently Nathan thought so, so why after drifting out that far, he suddenly decided to swim hours back to where he just came from?

The more I think about it, the more I think Nathan never left the remnants of that ship. I'm supposed to believe a man of his size pulled something Michael Phelps would have trouble doing? He's swimming without food, and water for hours he never got tired, cramped, or drowned? Please.

EDIT: Hold up. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1990/Su...5a91f4ed02885a

"He left the others with food and a raft, and set out to get help."

Where did he get food from? They had time to grab food as they were abandoning a sinking boat? If they were all holding onto a raft where would they have held the food?

I will conclude that he suffered survivor's guilt, and didn't help the others on the boat. His story is really sketchy, and doesn't make sense. I never heard anything about food. I'm going to assume he lied about certain parts of his story due to survivor's guilt, and wanting people to think he "tried" to save the others, but didn't, he only tried to save himself. This is evident with his phony "food" story. He's trying to not feel guilty with these phony "food" and "boat" stories. I don't think he killed them, but he saved himself, and is trying to get other people, and himself to believe he didn't do anything wrong and was a hero. Sad.

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Where did he get food from? They had time to grab food as they were abandoning a sinking boat? If they were all holding onto a raft where would they have held the food?
The boat wouldn't have immediately sunk. It was taking in water at a fairly decent pace before they even noticed anything was wrong. I'm sure they had time to gather their supplies before going on the raft. Their trip was a 7 day fishing excursion, so they had to have brought food with them.
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true about the slow sink. it sounds like it was just a terrible tragedy where nothing went right other than Nathan getting extremely lucky that someone found him before he died. Whether or not his mates made it or not like some hope...that obviously was not a good turnout for them if they were picked up and taken against their will. I don't see the reason for him to lie about what he saw. if it did not happen all Nathan would need to say is that he lost complete sight of them and they must have perished.

As far as the whole he's out of shape thing. yeah that is worth noting and is valid. if he knew how to swim well(most people do not), but I have seen people that swim greater than you would think they would because they know how to do it properly. need a source? look at the Alcatraz segment. the guy that swam the bay did not look like Michael phelps and he was drinking champaign afterward. IIRC he had the dad bod going a little bit. but I could be wrong.

(I am not saying Nathan did or did not know how to swim).

You also have to factor the adrenaline aspect. I imagine that he was able to swim a distance required to get to where he needed to go. there is no option to give up unless you want to die. Was it as far as he thought? who knows. the ocean current and weather conditions would have been a major factor with that. we will truly never know how far he did swim and I doubt that we could expect him to know that information 100% from memory as LooksLikeCRicci pointed out before. I imagine that if he was severely out of shape as well as a terrible swimmer...his recall of the distance would seem a lot longer than what it was anyway. I do not find that to be a foul on his part.
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As far as the whole he's out of shape thing. yeah that is worth noting and is valid. if he knew how to swim well(most people do not), but I have seen people that swim greater than you would think they would because they know how to do it properly(again I am not saying Nathan did or did not). You also have to factor the adrenaline aspect. I imagine that he was able to swim a distance required to get to where he needed to go. there is no option to give up unless you want to die.
This reminds me of the Tom Green Show when he swam across Lake Washington. He wasn't an experienced swimmer at all, and it took him over two hours to swim 1.3 miles. This is the swim that he did. Notice how they ask for strong swimmers? They expect people to swim 1.25 miles in less than 45 minutes. If it took Nathan hours to swim 4 or 5 miles, this does nothing but bolster his credibility. If he was out of shape, this makes his story even more believable. No wonder it took him so long to swim that short of a distance.
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This reminds me of the Tom Green Show when he swam across Lake Washington. He wasn't an experienced swimmer at all, and it took him over two hours to swim 1.3 miles. This is the swim that he did. Notice how they ask for strong swimmers? They expect people to swim 1.25 miles in less than 45 minutes. If it took Nathan hours to swim 4 or 5 miles, this does nothing but bolster his credibility. If he was out of shape, this makes his story even more believable. No wonder it took him so long to swim that short of a distance.
nice...i never saw that.

just reading "the tom green show" makes me laugh instantly.
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This reminds me of the Tom Green Show when he swam across Lake Washington. He wasn't an experienced swimmer at all, and it took him over two hours to swim 1.3 miles. This is the swim that he did. Notice how they ask for strong swimmers? They expect people to swim 1.25 miles in less than 45 minutes. If it took Nathan hours to swim 4 or 5 miles, this does nothing but bolster his credibility. If he was out of shape, this makes his story even more believable. No wonder it took him so long to swim that short of a distance.
This is exactly right. If we take Nathan's time and distance estimates as mostly accurate, a strong swimmer like Phelps would have been to the hull be early afternoon at the latest. I'm a moderately strong swimmer meaning I know all the proper techniques. I swam competitively in high school. A few times a year, I get into the pool at my gym and do a distance swim. I'm 6'1" and 230lbs. When I get in the water to swim, I can generally knock out one mile in 45 minutes. The second mile usually takes more like 50-60 minutes.

We also have to consider that the hull of the boat was moving towards him as he swam which would shorten the distance some. He had been on the life raft with his mates according to his story. The life raft had been out drifting with the currents. It stands to reason that the hull of the boat was moving in the same direction as the life raft since it was adrift as well. It was just moving more slowly because of its larger mass.
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