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Old 08-08-2014, 11:03 AM   #31
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That's exactly why I thought about the botched drug deal.
The "wild side" detail was mentioned to contrast how markedly Kyra's personality had changed before and after the incident. Within that context, it was explained that post-incident Kyra was more quiet, thoughtful, and considerate. The supposition being that these personality changes were brought about by amnesia.

Truthfully, I never really thought about her "wild side" outside of that context. However, if you are looking at this from the perspective of either deliberate fabrication and/or coverup of illicit activities, it could certainly fit too. Possibly whatever negative consequences befell her as a result of those actions (injured during a botched drug deal, for example) could also trigger such personality changes, especially when coupled with a real injury. Unfortunately, at this juncture, I doubt we'll ever know.

On that note, I did notice Malden mentioned that the items stolen were a "brown paper sack" filled with Kyra's spending money for the day and her makeup. The re-enactment shows this too. A brown paper sack? I hate to focus on minutia, but isn't that kind of strange? Don't most young women her age carry a purse?

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Very vague indeed.

That's kind of what's frustrating about the segment. They give a little nugget of information and then don't expand on it whatsoever. Unless of course the attacks were ruled out as unrelated by authorities, but UM decided to keep it in to play up more mystery in the case. I wish I could have seen the Malden hosted segment.
And therein lies the rub.

I also don't think it helped matters that Kyra's case was originally broadcast during "special 2" the second ever Unsolved Mysteries special in 1987 before the series was picked up with Stack.

As cool as the specials were, it was obvious they were still experimenting with the format.
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The "wild side" detail was mentioned to contrast how markedly Kyra's personality had changed before and after the incident. Within that context, it was explained that post-incident Kyra was more quiet, thoughtful, and considerate. The supposition being that these personality changes were brought about by amnesia.
I've only seen the segment one time, but I also remember them saying Kyra was a lot more irritable and short tempered than she was before.

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On that note, I did notice Malden mentioned that the items stolen were a "brown paper sack" filled with Kyra's spending money for the day and her makeup. The re-enactment shows this too. A brown paper sack? I hate to focus on minutia, but isn't that kind of strange? Don't most young women her age carry a purse?
Yes. I noticed that too and thought it was extremely odd to carry around money in a brown paper bag. That was another little detail I had forgot about that made me think about the drug scenario. You see, when I saw the segment, it was on the Farina episodes. So I was well aware of the previous "amnesia" cases that turned out to be nothing more than complete fabrications based on attention seeking, or based off of fleeing from the law. So when I saw it, I watched with some skepticism, because I didn't think (besides maybe "Pierre") there were any real amnesia cases featured on UM. So I noted these little details and tried to think of a logical explanation for her to make up the amnesia bit. Although it does stretch incredulity, since Kyra would have had to have acted as if she forgot everything including her family, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for a young teenager to do. If she was involved in something illegal or shady, she may have made it all up out of fear of getting in trouble with her parents.
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I've only seen the segment one time, but I also remember them saying Kyra was a lot more irritable and short tempered than she was before.
Yes, I remember that too. Again though, this could go either way. If she truly did have amnesia, I could see it being frustrating, to say the least.

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Yes. I noticed that too and thought it was extremely odd to carry around money in a brown paper bag. That was another little detail I had forgot about that made me think about the drug scenario. You see, when I saw the segment, it was on the Farina episodes. So I was well aware of the previous "amnesia" cases that turned out to be nothing more than complete fabrications based on attention seeking, or based off of fleeing from the law. So when I saw it, I watched with some skepticism, because I didn't think (besides maybe "Pierre") there were any real amnesia cases featured on UM. So I noted these little details and tried to think of a logical explanation for her to make up the amnesia bit. Although it does stretch incredulity, since Kyra would have had to have acted as if she forgot everything including her family, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for a young teenager to do. If she was involved in something illegal or shady, she may have made it all up out of fear of getting in trouble with her parents.
I first saw the episode in 2004. Admittedly, I knew of the other (fraudulent) amnesia cases, but I never really thought about the possibility of this being one of them. I don't know why. I guess I just took the presentation at face value. Offhand, I don't believe fabrication is hinted at in the segment.

On that note, there is an interview with a doctor who said he did not think Kyra was fabricating the amnesia, and he was impressed with her continued attempts to try to remember and think up possible ways that her memory might be jogged. Couple that with the documented head injury, and I think she has a decent case. I don't recall the other charlatans having as much by way of support, but I could be wrong.

At this point, I have to say I'm on the fence. There are certainly signs that she endured some kind of physical trauma. However, there are some hinky circumstances that suggest she may have had a hand in whatever occurred.

Fascinating...I am appreciative of this discussion because it is a rare thing indeed that someone is able to make me reconsider my opinion on a case so drastically, especially one as old, and as seemingly cut and dry, as this. Thank you!

I certainly hope some others chime in with their thoughts on these revelations.
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Yes, I remember that too. Again though, this could go either way. If she truly did have amnesia, I could see it being frustrating, to say the least.
Yeah, I agree. But then again, we have nothing to go on after the UM segment and that lone newspaper article about Kyra. For all we know she could have come clean to her family since the incident. Do you remember if there were any law enforcement personnel interviewed for the segment? If so, what did they say?

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I first saw the episode in 2004. Admittedly, I knew of the other (fraudulent) amnesia cases, but I never really thought about the possibility of this being one of them. I don't know why. I guess I just took the presentation at face value. Offhand, I don't believe fabrication is hinted at in the segment.
No, from what I remember there weren't any hints of fabrication in the segment (at least on the Farina version). I just got somewhat suspicious with some of the details. But I've always been highly skeptical of any amnesia case. You would think there would be an abundance of them featured on UM that didn't involve sketchy circumstances (people running from the law, teenagers seeking attention, etc.) if they were fairly prevalent.

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On that note, there is an interview with a doctor who said he did not think Kyra was fabricating the amnesia, and he was impressed with her continued attempts to try to remember and think up possible ways that her memory might be jogged. Couple that with the documented head injury, and I think she has a decent case. I don't recall the other charlatans having as much by way of support, but I could be wrong.
But didn't the doctor say that he couldn't find anything neurologically wrong with Kyra as well? A quick wikipedia search about amnesia says that amnesia caused by trauma to the brain (such as a head injury) would cause either a loss of memory of what had happened prior to the injury (think quarterback in football after a concussion), loss of memories shortly before the attack, or an inability to retain new memories. There is no mention of a complete lack of memory before the trauma occurred. There is also a severity chart dedicated to post-traumatic amnesia, which states that a person exhibiting symptoms of 12 or more weeks (Kyra would fit this considering the newspaper article posted says it was 3 months since the attack) would have an "injury [that] is very severe and accompanied by significant disabilities that will require long-term rehabilitation and management. The patient is unlikely to to able to return to work." To me, that doesn't sound like Kyra. Now there was another example on wiki that said when someone is in a car accident, they experience a whiplash sensation, and are sometimes unable to recall the events leading up to the accident or even the accident itself. In almost all cases, it is a very minor memory loss when involving some sort of trauma to the head (even with a loss of consciousness). Again, it seems unlikely that, due in large part to there being nothing neurologically wrong with Kyra, she would have suffered amnesia with such severity that she wouldn't be able to remember any member of her family, or anything prior to the attack.

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At this point, I have to say I'm on the fence. There are certainly signs that she endured some kind of physical trauma. However, there are some hinky circumstances that suggest she may have had a hand in whatever occurred.
Here's what we do know that's definitive:

-Kyra was found in a park, apparently dazed and disoriented.
-A man seen leaning on a car approached her and asked if she needed help, and then drove her to a police station before leaving.
-Kyra was hospitalized as a result of the attack.
-Kyra suffered some blunt trauma to her head.

Now for the shady side of the segment:

-Kyra was in a park in her hometown, but there is (IIRC) no explanation offered as to why she would have ever been there in the first place.
-Kyra did not have a purse on her. She carried a brown paper sack/bag that contained "spending" money. Very odd for an 18 year old girl to not have a purse, but then again I'm a guy so I might not be the best expert on purses.
-Kyra claims total amnesia after one knock on the head despite a doctor saying she suffered no neurological damage.
-The newspaper article makes no mention of any suspects, nor a search for any suspects. They don't even mention the man who gave Kyra a ride to the police station. This could be nothing, or it could be me over analyzing here BUT the newspaper article was written three months since Kyra's attack, and you would think that if the police really did believe she was assaulted and robbed (or mugged as the article put it), they would have asked anyone with information to come forward. Or even appealed to the man who gave her a ride to the station. The article was more of a how Kyra is adjusting to life without her memory as opposed to finding the perps who allegedly did this to her. That strikes me as odd.


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Fascinating...I am appreciative of this discussion because it is a rare thing indeed that someone is able to make me reconsider my opinion on a case so drastically, especially one as old, and as seemingly cut and dry, as this. Thank you!
Thanks for the compliment. I'm not 100% sold on the theory that she was involved in something shady (or even less shady as losing her spending money and being too embarrassed to admit it). But I've never been big on the theory that people lose EVERY single aspect of their memories prior to an incident either.
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Now for the shady side of the segment:

-Kyra was in a park in her hometown, but there is (IIRC) no explanation offered as to why she would have ever been there in the first place.
Just watched it again last night. The segment says she was mailing a letter at the post office to a German penpal and then presumably cut through the park while returning. This was common for her.

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This really depends on the woman. I'm female and I didn't start carrying a purse regularly until I was around that age. This is before everyone had cell phones, of course, so I don't think it's a big stretch that a girl would use her pockets or some sack if all she has is some spending money and keys. I do find it weird that she would use a paper sack, though. I can't imagine that's common.

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This is strange. You would think that there would be sufficient evidence of damage if she was really hit that hard.

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-The newspaper article makes no mention of any suspects, nor a search for any suspects. They don't even mention the man who gave Kyra a ride to the police station. This could be nothing, or it could be me over analyzing here BUT the newspaper article was written three months since Kyra's attack, and you would think that if the police really did believe she was assaulted and robbed (or mugged as the article put it), they would have asked anyone with information to come forward. Or even appealed to the man who gave her a ride to the station. The article was more of a how Kyra is adjusting to life without her memory as opposed to finding the perps who allegedly did this to her. That strikes me as odd.
I find it odd, too. You would think they would at least want to try to find a suspect or at the very least the man who assaulted the same girl three times in a row as a possible link.
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Yeah, I agree. But then again, we have nothing to go on after the UM segment and that lone newspaper article about Kyra. For all we know she could have come clean to her family since the incident. Do you remember if there were any law enforcement personnel interviewed for the segment? If so, what did they say?
Yes, there was an interview with the deputy who first encountered Kyra after she was dropped off at the police station. He took her to the hospital and was instrumental in getting the case publicized in the local papers which led to her identification, as she was initially admitted to the hospital as a Jane Doe. Her parents came forward the following day.

He also explains his theory about the case. Apparently, the area near the park where Kyra was found has a 25 mile per hour speed limit, yet people drive faster than that. The deputy said on UM that he thinks she was either hit by a car or was trying to dodge a car and fell and hit her head.

Then, the segment cuts to Kyra's mother explaining her theory that Kyra was grabbed by someone in the park, attempted to fight this person off, and was struck in the back of the head by a fist.

Malden then mentions the sack being gone, as well as the third possible "mistaken identity" theory.

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No, from what I remember there weren't any hints of fabrication in the segment (at least on the Farina version). I just got somewhat suspicious with some of the details. But I've always been highly skeptical of any amnesia case. You would think there would be an abundance of them featured on UM that didn't involve sketchy circumstances (people running from the law, teenagers seeking attention, etc.) if they were fairly prevalent.
That's the thing though. It isn't that prevalent. Malden said 1 in 5 million experience amnesia.

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But didn't the doctor say that he couldn't find anything neurologically wrong with Kyra as well? A quick wikipedia search about amnesia says that amnesia caused by trauma to the brain (such as a head injury) would cause either a loss of memory of what had happened prior to the injury (think quarterback in football after a concussion), loss of memories shortly before the attack, or an inability to retain new memories. There is no mention of a complete lack of memory before the trauma occurred. There is also a severity chart dedicated to post-traumatic amnesia, which states that a person exhibiting symptoms of 12 or more weeks (Kyra would fit this considering the newspaper article posted says it was 3 months since the attack) would have an "injury [that] is very severe and accompanied by significant disabilities that will require long-term rehabilitation and management. The patient is unlikely to to able to return to work." To me, that doesn't sound like Kyra. Now there was another example on wiki that said when someone is in a car accident, they experience a whiplash sensation, and are sometimes unable to recall the events leading up to the accident or even the accident itself. In almost all cases, it is a very minor memory loss when involving some sort of trauma to the head (even with a loss of consciousness). Again, it seems unlikely that, due in large part to there being nothing neurologically wrong with Kyra, she would have suffered amnesia with such severity that she wouldn't be able to remember any member of her family, or anything prior to the attack.
The doctor in the segment didn't comment on evidence of neurological problems (aside from her obvious failed recall). He did say that they found a lump on the back of her head that was consistent with her being hit by an object, or a fall.

Moreover, it would seem Kyra's amnesia was not total. According to the segment, she retained her ability to do algebra, and to speak German, and to paint. It appears that she had no recall of her past, family, or her own identity prior to the attack, or the attack itself. That would be consistent with retrograde amnesia (as DarkDante pointed out in a much earlier post). Here is the wiki article on retrograde amnesia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_amnesia

In reading through it, here are some passages that sound like Kyra and could be consistent with her symptoms...

"As previously mentioned, RA commonly results from damage to the brain regions most closely associated with episodic and declarative memory, including autobiographical information. In extreme cases, individuals may completely forget who they are. Generally, this is a more severe type of amnesia known as global or generalized amnesia.[11] However, memory loss can also be selective or categorical, manifested by a person's inability to remember events related to a specific incident or topic."

"Focal RA in particular, has also been used to describe a RA situation in which there is a lack of observable physical deficit as well.[13] This could be described as a psychogenic form of amnesia with mild anterograde and retrograde loss.[1] A case study of DH revealed that the patient was unable to provide personal or public information, however there was no parahippocampal or entorhinal damage found.[1] Individuals with focal brain damage have minimal RA.[14]"

Obviously, I'm no doctor, but what I take from this is that it is possible to have what may appear to be selective memory loss and also minimal, to no, brain damage. Also, I didn't quote it, as it is repeated throughout the article, but head injuries are a source of retrograde amnesia.

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Here's what we do know that's definitive:

-Kyra was found in a park, apparently dazed and disoriented.
-A man seen leaning on a car approached her and asked if she needed help, and then drove her to a police station before leaving.
-Kyra was hospitalized as a result of the attack.
-Kyra suffered some blunt trauma to her head.

Now for the shady side of the segment:

-Kyra was in a park in her hometown, but there is (IIRC) no explanation offered as to why she would have ever been there in the first place.
Apparently Kyra went to a post office to mail a package to a German penpal. Her mom speculated that after leaving the post office, Kyra took a short cut through the park (I don't recall where her intended destination was). Assuming this is true, it is an innocent enough explanation, IMO.

Although, public parks are some times known for criminal activities, such as vagrancy, public drinking and drug use, vandalism, illicit sexual activity, etc. For what it's worth, I did find some articles online about this specific park and the city's efforts to clean up the drinking and drug use that was going on there, but this was in the late 90s. No clue about how it would have been in 1986.

Also, to be fair, I should mention that parks are also good places for predatory crimes of opportunity such as muggings or sexual assaults, as is being alleged here.

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-Kyra did not have a purse on her. She carried a brown paper sack/bag that contained "spending" money. Very odd for an 18 year old girl to not have a purse, but then again I'm a guy so I might not be the best expert on purses.
Agreed. Though I am going to add the same caveat. I am a guy and have no knowledge of purses, though my wife's knowledge on the subject is extensive. Maybe I should ask her to watch the segment and report back.

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-Kyra claims total amnesia after one knock on the head despite a doctor saying she suffered no neurological damage.
He didn't say one way or another in the segment. Also, if the wikki stuff is to be believed, it is possible that she wouldn't have detectable damage anyway.

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-The newspaper article makes no mention of any suspects, nor a search for any suspects. They don't even mention the man who gave Kyra a ride to the police station. This could be nothing, or it could be me over analyzing here BUT the newspaper article was written three months since Kyra's attack, and you would think that if the police really did believe she was assaulted and robbed (or mugged as the article put it), they would have asked anyone with information to come forward. Or even appealed to the man who gave her a ride to the station. The article was more of a how Kyra is adjusting to life without her memory as opposed to finding the perps who allegedly did this to her. That strikes me as odd.
On Unsolved Mysteries, a newspaper article is shown onscreen that says "Girl doesn't know her name and age" written by Bud May of the Longview Daily News. I tried, to no avail, to track down this, or other, articles about the case using Kyra's name, and different variations. I found nothing. However, Malden mentions in the segment that there were repeated appeals in the local press to find witnesses or to identify the mystery driver who dropped Kyra off at the police station. Personally, I don't doubt this. I can only conclude that those newspapers aren't online or easily accessible.
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Yes, there was an interview with the deputy who first encountered Kyra after she was dropped off at the police station. He took her to the hospital and was instrumental in getting the case publicized in the local papers which led to her identification, as she was initially admitted to the hospital as a Jane Doe. Her parents came forward the following day.
Ok I'm watching the Malden hosted episode as I reply to this. Apparently, the guy leaning on the car was the first person Kyra saw. In the segment it seems like he's just leaning looking in another direction when she approaches and asks for help. I was under the impression that the man was just sitting there seemingly waiting for her. The segment also mentions he dropped her off a block away from the police station, and that Kyra had said he was an "older man". The first logical reason I could think of as to why the man didn't help her into the police station was the mentality that a lot of people have adopted today: "I don't want to get involved with other people's problems." Perhaps he thought she was on drugs, or maybe he thought she was a runaway, or maybe he even thought she was in the middle of a spat with her boyfriend and simply thought dropping her off would be enough.

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He also explains his theory about the case. Apparently, the area near the park where Kyra was found has a 25 mile per hour speed limit, yet people drive faster than that. The deputy said on UM that he thinks she was either hit by a car or was trying to dodge a car and fell and hit her head.
Seems highly unlikely. Because she says herself in the segment that her first memory was awaking in a grassy area and then feeling the pain in her head. I don't see how she would have dodged or got hit by a car and would up in a grassy area in the park.

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Then, the segment cuts to Kyra's mother explaining her theory that Kyra was grabbed by someone in the park, attempted to fight this person off, and was struck in the back of the head by a fist.
This seems much more likely to me.

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That's the thing though. It isn't that prevalent. Malden said 1 in 5 million experience amnesia.
Prevalent was the wrong word usage. I had meant that if there were more legitimate amnesia stories, you would think UM would have had more that didn't end up with the person being wanted, or a person who had a reason to fake amnesia.

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The doctor in the segment didn't comment on evidence of neurological problems (aside from her obvious failed recall). He did say that they found a lump on the back of her head that was consistent with her being hit by an object, or a fall.
That was in the newspaper article. A doctor says he found no neurological damage to her.

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Obviously, I'm no doctor, but what I take from this is that it is possible to have what may appear to be selective memory loss and also minimal, to no, brain damage. Also, I didn't quote it, as it is repeated throughout the article, but head injuries are a source of retrograde amnesia.
Yes, but the wiki page also says that if a person didn't regain their memory or show signs of improvement by 12 or more weeks, that person would probably never be able to function in society or hold down a job. The way the mind works is indeed a mystery, and I'm no expert either, but it does seem like the odds would be near astronomical for someone to have been hit on the head to where they totally forgot everything about their past, including their own identity and their family.

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Apparently Kyra went to a post office to mail a package to a German penpal. Her mom speculated that after leaving the post office, Kyra took a short cut through the park (I don't recall where her intended destination was). Assuming this is true, it is an innocent enough explanation, IMO.
Fair enough. The segment mentions there is a 45 minute time lapse where her actions cannot be accounted for. The segment also says the other girl was "allegedly" attacked in the same park. Whatever that means. 45 minutes is a long time from leaving the post office to winding up at the park. Plus, broad daylight attacks in a public park seem to be a rare occurrence. Kyra's mother even speculated that the man on the car could have seen something, since he was the "closest to her". Why would the guy casually sit on a car if he just saw a woman get mugged?!

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Also, to be fair, I should mention that parks are also good places for predatory crimes of opportunity such as muggings or sexual assaults, as is being alleged here.
True. But, they are also ideal for drug deals. It really could go either way.

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Agreed. Though I am going to add the same caveat. I am a guy and have no knowledge of purses, though my wife's knowledge on the subject is extensive. Maybe I should ask her to watch the segment and report back.
My wife would have been in her early teens in the late 80's. Her sister was around Kyra's age at the time of the segment. FWIW, she said that her sister and her friends all had purses at the time, because it was the "cool" thing to do.

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Personally, I don't doubt this. I can only conclude that those newspapers aren't online or easily accessible.
You're right. I saw the same thing on the segment and heard Malden mention the public appeals have brought out nothing. But law enforcement seems to believe it was an accident and not a mugging. There has to be more evidence to suggest that there wasn't a mystery mugger lurking in the park that day, or you would think they would have explored that possibility.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:46 PM   #38
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Ok, I rewatched the Malden hosted segment and decided to share some of my thoughts. Granted, since I'm a bit biased when it comes to amnesia cases featured on UM, I had watched with a certain amount of skepticism, and picked up on some red flags/suspicious parts of this story. I will concede that Kyra Cook legitimately did sound irritated and frustrated at the fact that she couldn't recall anything prior to her attack. She sounded genuine, and the segment didn't really present a clear cut motive (or even hint at it) as to why she would be making it up. Anyway, here's a list of things that gave me pause and made me question the validity of the claim of amnesia:

-Malden mentions three possible scenarios with regards to what could have happened to Kyra.

-Scenario 1 was the one thought up by the deputy interviewed in the segment. He thinks that Kyra was either struck by a car or dodged a speeding car which resulted in her injury. There's no way she was struck by a car. There would be corresponding injuries on her body (besides her head injury) to back up the fact that she was struck by a speeding vehicle. There was nothing mentioned in the segment (or the newspaper article we have) that mentions any injuries other than the one to her head. So this can effectively be ruled out. And as I've mentioned previously, the dodging the car theory makes little to no sense since Kyra herself says she woke up in a grassy area, and it took her awhile before she reached the man leaning on his car. Had she dodged a car, she would have been closer to the road. The segment makes it seem like she woke up in the middle of the park.

-Scenario 2 was the mugging theory. While possible, it still seems, IMO, unlikely due to the fact that this was broad daylight and there were alleged to have been witnesses around. I'll touch more on this below.

-Scenario 3 was the mistaken identity scenario. Malden says a woman resembling Kyra was "allegedly" assaulted by a mysterious man in the same park prior to Kyra's amnesia. UM tried to play this up as a possibility because of Scenario 2, the one Kyra's mother theorized. However, after thinking this over, I think this is very, very unlikely. For one, Malden specifically says, "allegedly". In other words, no one besides this woman can verify that she was attacked and that this mystery man actually exists. Think logically for a second. Police respond to a call (or the woman went to the police station herself) of an assault at a public park. The woman gives a general description of the guy, etc. and the cops put it in their case file. Time goes by, and guess what? The same exact woman says the same exact guy attacked her again in the same exact location. This had to have raised some eyebrows within law enforcement, because what exactly are the odds that the same woman in the same place happens to run into her attacker (whom was a stranger to her, implied by UM) and have the same thing happen to her!? But, stranger things have happened, so let's say that the cops actually thought it possible that it occurred a 2nd time. This would mean more attention brought to the case, and a more intensified search into finding out who this man was. Again, time goes by and guess what? A third attack by the same guy on the same woman in the same place! This is where LE probably thought the whole story was ridiculous. Think about it, if these attacks were legit, why on Earth would this woman EVER return to that park again!? Makes zero sense. Not to mention the fact that the odds of three separate attacks by a stranger in the same location (a public place too) are just too far to even seriously consider. That's why I think Malden used the word "allegedly". LE probably didn't take these attacks seriously, or didn't believe the woman.

-The segment mentions Kyra mailing a package/letter to a penpal in Germany around 2:15 that day. UM seems to imply that postal workers remember seeing her (or perhaps there is a record of her dropping the package off) that verify the time. UM next says that Kyra awoke around 3:00 p.m. There's 45 minutes of unaccounted time. Kyra's mother suggests Kyra would have taken a "shortcut" through the park. Meaning the park must have been fairly close to the post office. And since it's believed that Kyra was simply strolling through the park to go back home, she must have been attacked shortly after leaving the post office. What are the odds that Kyra would have been lying in the park knocked out for 30+ minutes without anyone noticing her, or trying to help?

-The segment explicitly states that the man who gave Kyra a ride to the police station dropped her off a half a block away from it. When Kyra arrived at the station, she met the deputy and asked for help. The deputy asked her if she needed to go to the hospital, and Kyra didn't even know what a hospital was. Think logically about this for a sec: she had no idea what a hospital was, but knew exactly where to go for help at the police station!? She was dropped off not at the station, but a "half a block" away. Now if she didn't know what a hospital was, how in the heck would she have known what a police station was, not to mention where exactly it was at after being dropped off?

-We've discussed the paper bag/sack containing her spending money. This is very odd, at least IMO.

-The segment mentions Kyra having a "wild side". I wonder if that included drug use.

-Kyra claims to have zero memory prior to the time she awoke in the park. This could be considered a form of retrograde amnesia. But does anyone else find it odd that the details after she awoke are hazy as well? People who suffer from retrograde amnesia (who can't remember the past, basically) are still able to retain current memories. So why is it that Kyra cannot give a description of the man who gave her a ride, nor a description of his car? The UM segment says that she gave "fuzzy" details about both. Nor can she recall any conversation they had on the way to the police station. I could see being knocked unconscious and losing your past memory. But the moment she woke up, even though she would have probably been frightened at the fact that she couldn't remember anything, her brain should have been working to store the new information she was processing. Her not even being able to come up with a general description of the man is very odd to me.

-The sole law enforcement guy interviewed on the segment seems to think she was struck by a car. Had there been any evidence of a mugger or mysterious assailant, I doubt the guy would subscribe to the ludicrous theory that she dove out of the way of a speeding car and bumped her head and lost virtually all of her memory.

-If Kyra was in fact mugged, the motive would most certainly have been a robbery. There's no mention of a sexual assault at all, nor any evidence to support it. So the motive would have to be a robbery. But what criminal worth their salt is going to rob a woman not carrying a purse, but instead a brown paper bag!? What would have happened if the guy reached into the bag and found a PBJ instead of money? How would this guy even know she had money in the bag in the first place? And why even hit her? Why not just do a "snatch and grab" job? It just doesn't make any sense.

If I think of any more later, I'll add them in. But these are the thoughts that had ran through my mind (the skeptic in me kept bringing this stuff up on my long ride home from work). I did think of another possibility that I never considered before. What if the man leaning on the car didn't exist? Let's say for the time being that Kyra was in fact attacked, but it was because of something shady that she was involved in. This could explain why she couldn't describe the man or his car adequately. Picture this for a second:

Kyra is involved in something shady that results in her getting hit and her bag of money stolen. Initially, she wants to go the police station to report the robbery. However, she soon realizes that the police will eventually want to know why she was in that park, and will investigate the story she's giving further. Freaking out at the prospect of the police finding out the real truth, she decides to act as if she has amnesia. She claims to have no memories prior to waking up. She can't even remember the attack. This works to her advantage more than you would think. No one can prove that she doesn't have amnesia. So, if she acts as if she remembers nothing (including the actual attack), there's no way anyone would ever find out what actually happened in that park, nor would the perp who actually attacked her ever be found (which would be troublesome to her, since the guy would expose the real reason she was in the park). She then invents the story of the man dropping her off, possibly with the hope that her story would be more believable with a "witness", or perhaps to give more credence to the reason as to why she wound up at the police station in the first place (since she claimed amnesia, this could have worked against her if she didn't "invent" the man: the cops would have said, "if you don't remember anything, how'd you remember how to get to the police station for help?"), and also just in case she ran into a police officer on the way in (which she did), the man dropping her off "a half a block away" would also help her story more, since she could simply say, "oh he just drove off", when the cops were asking how she got to the station and who drove her. And after that, the story unfolds up to UM. Not to mention, for all we know, Kyra could have known or read about the alleged attacks in the park prior, and intended to use this as a cover story or a reasoning behind why she was attacked.

Now I know I may seem like I'm stretching it a bit, but when re-thinking everything about this case it just seems like there's too many "convenient" little tidbits to the story. Kyra conveniently can't remember who or what attacked her. She can't remember why she was in the park. She can't remember the man who gave her a ride, nor a description of his vehicle. She can't remember anything prior to the attack, in addition to crucial pieces of information after the attack. She gets dropped off a half a block away from the police station, conveniently giving the guy who dropped her off time to slip away before she came in contact with law enforcement. She doesn't know what a hospital is, but knows what a police station is. She doesn't remember any member of her family, but can still speak German. See where I'm going here? There just seems to be too many little intricate parts about this case that don't fit together, which makes the story less believable to me. Maybe it's just me being too critical of this story, but something just doesn't sit right with me the more I think about it. I will concede though, to Kyra's credit (if she is making it up), she stuck with the total amnesia bit pretty good. Even Sarah Powell eventually came out with tidbits of her "attack" and even gave a description of her "attackers". At least Kyra never even hinted at what caused her injury or her memory loss.
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Sorry to keep replying to the same thread, but I found another more recent case (very similar to Kyra's) where an ex-NFL player, Scott Bolzan, claims to have slipped and fell and hit his head at work, and suffered from total retrograde amnesia. He didn't remember his family, what Christmas was, the internet, etc. but still knew how to play golf and drive a car. But, due to the advances made in neurology and the study of the brain, several neurologists have called his claim into question: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011...-making-it-up/

These experts say that it seems to "Hollywood" for someone to claim they totally forgot everything. Usually, a person suffering from severe retrograde amnesia would be able to remember something from their past, typically their childhood. They could also recognize family members from pictures, but not remember the date or specifics about it. It's a story that's very similar to Kyra's.
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TheCars1986 makes some very good points in the posts above. I watched the segment again this past weekend with some of these thoughts in mind. At this juncture, I don't have much to add because I believe that Cars has already done an excellent job at spelling out why Kyra Cook's amnesia claims are suspect, and I don't want to belabor the point. That being said, there a few things I wanted to touch on...

The deputy interviewed in the segment contradicts himself somewhat when explaining his theory about what happened to Kyra. He says he believes that Kyra was struck by a car or had dodged a car, but in the exact same sentence says they didn't find any other injuries on Kyra except the bump on the head. In fact, the way he phrases this statement almost makes it seems as if he is suggesting the lack of injuries is support for his theory she was hit by a car.

I fail miserably to see the logic here. Surely, if Kyra was struck by a car, even at a slow speed, there would be other injuries aside from the bump on the head. Also, as Cars pointed out, Kyra's account makes it seems as though she awoke in the park. How would she have made it in to the park if she was struck by a car or dodged a car? Unfortunately, I should caution that we can't rule it out without knowing the layout of the park and we're only going by re-enactments. On the surface though, it seems unlikely, and coupled with the lack of injuries, the hit by a car scenario seems the least likely.

That being the case, I do understand why the police may have taken this position. Given the three possible scenarios (e.g., hit by car, attacked by mugger, attacked due to mistaken identity), the hit by a car scenario is the only one that absolves the police of the responsibility of investigating further.

Assuming for the sake of argument that Kyra was hit by a car, it was most likely an accident, and we know that she didn't sustain any serious injuries. If this occurred, at best, the driver could be viewed as negligent, and possibly could be charged with leaving the scene. However, I think the whole thing is too convoluted and really, what more could the police do at this juncture? We know they did make an attempt to identify the driver who dropped Kyra off at the police station, but I don't see what else could be done, and I can't imagine that there would be a huge desire to doggedly pursue the matter. This may sound weird, but it's really negligence, assuming she was hit at all, and it's not a police matter.

On the other hand, if the police believed and acknowledged that Kyra was attacked, that opens a whole 'nother can of worms. Muggings in parks and especially muggings of pretty young females in such a public location certainly would warrant police attention. Muggings are predatory offenses and are a threat to public order. The police would be obligated to investigate and pursue this. Therefore, I think the path of least resistance, for the police, would be to downplay such theorizing, and proffer the car scenario, as ridiculous as it may seem.

Also, one thing I want to point out about the mistaken identity scenario, Malden does say "allegedly" which is interesting, but he does NOT specifically say that all three attacks (or any of the attacks) occurred in the park. Therefore, I think it's possible that a local woman who was a ringer for Kyra was being stalked or harassed. It is really hard to speculate much though given that only one sentence is devoted to this entire theory, but I find it odd that the only description given is a "strange man." Assuming that some local woman had been attacked on three occasions, it would be reasonable to assume the motive for such attacks was something personal and the victim had a connection to the perp. If after three physical assaults the only detail she can give is a "strange man", that kind of seems questionable.
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Also, one thing I want to point out about the mistaken identity scenario, Malden does say "allegedly" which is interesting, but he does NOT specifically say that all three attacks (or any of the attacks) occurred in the park. Therefore, I think it's possible that a local woman who was a ringer for Kyra was being stalked or harassed. It is really hard to speculate much though given that only one sentence is devoted to this entire theory, but I find it odd that the only description given is a "strange man." Assuming that some local woman had been attacked on three occasions, it would be reasonable to assume the motive for such attacks was something personal and the victim had a connection to the perp. If after three physical assaults the only detail she can give is a "strange man", that kind of seems questionable.
I could have sworn Malden says that it was at the same park (at least one of the attacks) for the other woman who was allegedly assaulted there.

Also, a somewhat interesting tidbit: this part of the segment was completely omitted in the revamped Farina hosted UM. As someone has posted on here in the Cynthia Anderson thread, they had contacted UM to let them know that the "GW" spray paint message was not intended for Cynthia Anderson, but for her and that it was her boyfriend at the time doing it. Just a weird coincidence. The poster had contacted UM and let them know this information, and it has since been edited out of the re-airings of the segment and is omitted on Cynthia Anderson's page on unsolved.com. I'm wondering if something similar happened where they eventually ruled out the "mistaken identity" theory, which is why that little tidbit was taken out of the Farina version.
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I'd also like to add that I'm not in any way, shape, or form saying that Kyra definitely was making up her amnesia, because I have no way of knowing this. This was one of the last of the amnesia cases that I had seen (since they ever showed this one on Lifetime to my knowledge with Stack as the host) and the first time I had seen it was on the revamped Farina versions. And knowing how most of the other amnesia cases played out (usually someone wanted for something who decides to skip town and play amnesia), I didn't hold much stock in the claims. So I'm biased with this case. I watched it with a skeptical mind.

That's not to say that it's not possible that Kyra did in fact suffer amnesia after being attacked in that park. It's the subtle hints in the segment about Kyra having a "wild side", the vague description of the man who gave her a ride, and the overall vagueness of the segment that makes me skeptical. It may be more of a fault to the way UM presented the segment that skews my view.
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I could have sworn Malden says that it was at the same park (at least one of the attacks) for the other woman who was allegedly assaulted there.

Also, a somewhat interesting tidbit: this part of the segment was completely omitted in the revamped Farina hosted UM. As someone has posted on here in the Cynthia Anderson thread, they had contacted UM to let them know that the "GW" spray paint message was not intended for Cynthia Anderson, but for her and that it was her boyfriend at the time doing it. Just a weird coincidence. The poster had contacted UM and let them know this information, and it has since been edited out of the re-airings of the segment and is omitted on Cynthia Anderson's page on unsolved.com. I'm wondering if something similar happened where they eventually ruled out the "mistaken identity" theory, which is why that little tidbit was taken out of the Farina version.
I just saw it again and in the single sentence devoted to the mistaken identity theory Malden says nothing about the three alleged attacks occurring in the park - just that this woman was allegedly attacked on three separate occasions by a strange man. On that note, I'm not trying to nitpick, I just want to be as precise as possible.

Your comments about "GW" notwithstanding, I personally don't put much stock in the fact that these comments were not present in the Farina version. So much was changed and omitted in those versions it is hard to discern if such changes were made simply due to time constraints (as I suspect) or due to certain theories being debunked.

Unfortunately, it is very hard to speculate at all given the paucity of information. We don't know who this girl was, when she was attacked, or why these attacks may have been occurring or if there even was a viable suspect. For what it's worth, I always got a "stalker" kind of vibe here, but that would suggest the woman may know the identity of the perp. The segment doesn't make it sound as if she did. I wonder if there was ever anything printed in the newspapers about these assaults? Unfortunately, given the lack of information about Kyra Cook herself, it would seem that such news archives are inaccessible, at least at this point.

Watching the segment again, I got a sexual assault vibe. As has been pointed out, Kyra was carrying a paper sack as opposed to a purse. Not the best target for a robbery. However, she was a young, pretty girl by herself. Perhaps some predatory offender targeted her for a rape? It's possible.

On that note, I'd love to know more about this park. Some articles I found dating back to the 90s make it sound as though it was a place for drug users and alcoholics to congregate, as well as homosexual liaisons, but what was it like when Kyra was there in '86?
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I always believed she was attacked, woke up and saw this man, who was kind enough to take her to the station. However, he may have had committed crimes before or didn't want to be involved. I think it was just more of a nervous person than her attacker waiting around.
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The "hit by a car" theory is ridiculous. If she were hit by a car, she would have injuries from her midsection on down, since that is the part of her body the car would have hit. She wouldn't have one injury on her head. I can't believe that even made its way into the segment.

I was surprised the segment seemed to cast so much suspicion on the Good Samaritan who drove her to the hospital. The guy was probably just trying to help. All things considered, I'm not surprised he didn't come forward.

I don't think the lost cash/items were necessarily indicative of a robbery/mugging. Since it's not known why, where or how Kyra obtained her injury, she could have just dropped the items when she sustained her injury and some opportunist picked them up, maybe not even realizing the significance of them. Robbery is still possible, but it's not a sure thing.

My main question about this other girl who was attacked three times by the same man is how the hell did that happen? Not trying to victim blame or anything of that nature, but it would seem like after the second time, she would have someone accompany her, or avoid that area altogether, or have some form of protection or whatever. Did nobody see anything in any of these instances either. Definitely a big WTF moment for me.
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