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Old 08-19-2009, 05:26 PM   #121
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In both books, there were some shady instances mentioned.

1. Cindy's family members and friends sometimes answered the phone at her house when she got one of those many threatening phone calls.

2. One time, Cindy and the Woodcocks were playing cards at 2:00 in the morning when they heard a noise out in the yard. When Tom went to check on it, he noticed a dead cat which had been strangled to death left on the porch. A note attached to the cat said, "You're next." The Woodcocks said Cindy never once left the room so there's no way she could have staged that.

3. Cindy's neighbor took the garbage out one night and was surprised to see a man in his back yard staring at Cindy's house. When the neighbor asked what he was doing there, the man ran off breaking the gate latch on the fence as he ran by.

4. Cindy's downstairs basement tennants called the police one day when they heard strange noises upstairs after Cindy had left for work. The police checked the house out but didn't find anything amiss.
Thanks for the information, dynoguy88. It'd be interesting to hear the eyewitness' physical description of the man. Perhaps it was Roy Makepeace.

On another note, I think this is Roy Makepeace's facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/roy.makepeace
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:48 PM   #122
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Yeah, that's him. I'm surprised someone in their late 80's has a facebook account.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:24 AM   #123
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Cindy's family members and friends sometimes answered the phone at her house when she got one of those many threatening phone calls.
1. Has anyone verified that actual calls were made to that phone?

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2. One time, Cindy and the Woodcocks were playing cards at 2:00 in the morning when they heard a noise out in the yard. When Tom went to check on it, he noticed a dead cat which had been strangled to death left on the porch. A note attached to the cat said, "You're next." The Woodcocks said Cindy never once left the room so there's no way she could have staged that.
1. Was there an autopsy done on the cat? Any phsyical evidence or photos to show what happened to it or there was an actual cat. Are there photos of the note?

2 It's not out of the question it could be the work of pranksters or a "copycat"(sorry for the pun... no actually I'm not sorry. That was pretty funny!!! )

3. As crazy as it sounds, that cat may be the first (and possibly only) murder victim in this case!! Was there any evidence to be found from the body or the scene?

As interesting as those instances were, the only real valid one is the phone calls. If someone could prove that there were actual phone calls made to the Woodcocks phone, I could believe in this case a little more.

It bothers me that the Woodcocks are the only witnesses to these incidents.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:40 PM   #124
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autopsies on the cat? Uhhh...I assume it was done. The books didn't go into great detail over that. But alot of dead cats were thrown on her property over the years. In one instance, it appeared a cat had been run over by a car yet it still had a wire wrapped around it's neck.
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I checked the book and found SOME of the cat reports...

October 15, 1983 - Cindy's little dog Heidi heard a noise in the middle of the night and started barking. A dead cat with a rope around it's neck was found in the garden. A note nearby said, "You're next."

November 9, 1983 - Cindy out running errands from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M. Returned to find a dead cat between two back doors. Also a letter. Cat had been strangled.

November 22, 1983 - Cindy's dog Heidi found another dead cat next to the garage. Also a letter. Cat had been hit by a car, not strangled.

One of the books has the complete log of incidents over the years. It's unreal. I'll have to write it one one day.
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:38 PM   #126
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I cannot wait until Purple Rose's book comes out. If what she states about the doctor is true....it explains a lot. Someone that evil and diabolical and intelligent would not have a hard time making everything appear twisted. PurpleRoses's comments show that there is way more to this case then just the small segments we have seen and the previous books.
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Some other things that have bothered me about this case......

1.This guy tortures here all this time and NOW he decides it's time to kill her??? Why now? He had done nearly a 100 acts without getting caught, so why stop now. What was happened at that time to force this guy to kill her??

2. Cindy changed her name and address at least once, yet this guy still found her. How could he find her that quickly?

3. Cindy obviously knew who her attacker. While she claims that the attacker said that if she told anyone, he would killer her family. such a "conversation" had to have occured after a few previous attacks. Why did Cindy not reveal this persons name before?

4. Much like with the Wackers...I find it interesting that Cindy James can easily provide a reason why the attackers are just torturing her rather than killer her.

5. Considering how high profile this case was, I wonder if some of the incidents can be atrtributed to pranksters. You know if a criminal wanted to find a crime he could get away with, Cindy James would seem like a good target. For example, if you tried to molest her and escaped, the crime would be attributed to her stalker and not you. The cat thing seems like a prankster job.

6. It wouldn't be that difficult for Cindy to hire Ozzie Kaban to help her "stage" a few incidents. Seems like a win win deal for both of them.

7. I am most positive that quite often the police & PIs that were watching Cindy's house were "undercover" and not plainclothes. Which makes it even more puzzling how none of them found this guy.
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Thanks for the link Mr. Clairvoyant. I heard a clip of Cindy James' caller on the website her sister has for her upcoming book and it was chilling.
Those recordings were VERY creepy.

I couldn't help but think it sounded like a woman though. Like it was Cindy.
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If a person wanted to terrify her for years, it seems strange to me that he would kill her in a relatively painless way (by overdose). It also seems strange that he would tie her in such a complicated fashion. To me, it's like she learned to tie herself up that way just to convince everyone that she had been right all along. It is not conclusive evidence that someone had been harassing her, unlike a bullet to the back of the head would be.

I am not convinced that she did it all herself though. This case freaks me out A LOT.
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I am not convinced that she did it all herself though. This case freaks me out A LOT.
Perhaps the PI, Ozzie Kaban, had something to do with it.

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If a person wanted to terrify her for years, it seems strange to me that he would kill her in a relatively painless way (by overdose). It also seems strange that he would tie her in such a complicated fashion. To me, it's like she learned to tie herself up that way just to convince everyone that she had been right all along. It is not conclusive evidence that someone had been harassing her, unlike a bullet to the back of the head would be.
You'd think after all this terror, he would find a much more gruesome way for her to die.
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If Cindy changed her name, this guy would have had to follow her to get an idea of who she was, her phone number and her residence.

Come to think of it..to do any of his harassment he would have to be surveiling her and following her constantly?

How could nobody even get a whiff of this guy?

She had PIs and police watching her for some time. They shoudl have seen someone or heard word of someone asking about Cindy.

Doesn't make sense.
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Those recordings were VERY creepy.

I couldn't help but think it sounded like a woman though. Like it was Cindy.
Can someone provide a link to these recordings?
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Can someone provide a link to these recordings?
There was a link earlier in the thread. You can find them at her sisters website at www.melaniehack.com.
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I saw the UM segment years ago and it both scared and intrigued me. But never I have thought she did this to herself. The other 'similar' case mentioned, (Ruth) where the victim did it herself, Ruth admitted she did it at one point. I never saw in programs or read anywere Cindy admit it could possibly be herself.
Ruth seems a plain 'simpler' woman to me then Cindy seems to me. If Ruth was able to find out she was her own tormenter than Cindy could for certain find that out íf she was indeed her own tormenter.
So..what reason could she have to do this to herself? To me, none.
As far as we know she never had trauma's from the past, like Ruth seemed to have, so there was no reason for Cindy 'to create a subcharacter'.
Because her mental state detariated much later in her life. As a result of the torment she endured and not as a cause of other events earlier in her life.
I also did not read from purplerose that mental illness runs in her family. And if no one in the family showed mental illnesses then it is not (very much) likely she developed one without trauma's. Which she seems not to have had until the torment start.

People mentioned there was no evidence any other person or more than one person did this to her. Even after purplerose mentioned there was evidence.
Sometimes the evidence lies in what is NOT there. Like a missing syringe. If she did this to herself that syringe could not be far from where she was found. Morphine is strong stuff. You will rapid feel the influence of that. And she had high doses of that stuff in her blood so it would have kicked in quite hard. If she did this she would have know that and could not have injected it far from the place she was found because she would also need a certain amount of time to tie herself up the way she was found. To me it is therefor, among other things, not likely she commit suicide.

I also read here that the person responsible had to have a lot of time at his hands. To follow and stalk and torment her around the clock. That can easily have been handled to hire people to do the dirty work for him or most of it. Give shady people a bundle of money and you are amazed what they are willing to do for it.
As for the mentioned phonecalls that can be listened to at purplerose's site when some think it is a woman. Maybe a woman was hired to make those calls. Just because it could have been a woman does not automatically say that it had to be Cindy herself.

As for the pranks (dead cats) mentioned. That does not sound as a prank to me! They would have killed cats for it, at least a couple of the amount used. Because I guess dead cats can't be found at the streets so easily. And when there is killing involved it is no longer a prank.

I also read Purplerose mentioning another tread about Cindy where a poster mentioned something or someone (possible suspect) that was overlooked or not reacting to by the other posters. I would like to know where to find that thread because it sounded important to notice. Otherwise Purplerose would not have pointed it out.
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